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glitzy
09-02-2008, 06:13 PM
and she supports Alaskas cessation from the US. Yeah...way to go...pick someone that doesnt want to be part of this country
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/02/politics/animal/main4407224.shtml


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI&eurl=http://current.com/items/89259419_members_of_fringe_alaskan_independence_pa rty_say_palin_was_a_member_in_90s

COUNTRY FIRST
lol

Melonie
09-02-2008, 06:26 PM
plus you simply can't beat 'free advertising' like this ... unfortunately you can't see it in mainstream media




Also, you can't beat mainstream media's ability to BURY a story like this !!!



I guess that mainstream media considers Palin's daughter's teenage pregnancy to be far more important than alleged multi-million dollar fraud charges against Biden's lobbyist son !!! Yes that's the same Biden's son for whom Obama pushed for 3.4 million dollars worth of congressional earmark spending.
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G-Real
09-02-2008, 06:40 PM
I guess that mainstream media considers Palin's daughter's teenage pregnancy to be far more important than alleged multi-million dollar fraud charges against Biden's lobbyist son !!! Yes that's the same Biden's son for whom Obama pushed for 3.4 million dollars worth of congressional earmark spending.
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So a family member that has no affiliation with the charges is ok to dig up, yet, the call hypocracy on Palin because she said her daugheter made a choice to have the child, yet she wants to take that choice away from other people is not OK??:O

jester214
09-02-2008, 07:14 PM
Wrong. (http://hogwash.today.com/2008/09/02/sarah-palin-and-her-husband-were-members-of-the-secessionist-aip-political-party/) And by your reasoning, if the KKK had a meeting then it would be fine if she attended because she was the mayor of the town.

Right. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/02/mccain-camp-battles-charges-palin-belonged-to-aip/

the KKK is a far cry from the AIP. So if you were a mayor of a small town, and a major political party that you weren't part of came to you town, and were going to spend money, you wouldn't attend? If that's the case, then you wouldn't last long as mayor.

jester214
09-02-2008, 07:16 PM
So a family member that has no affiliation with the charges is ok to dig up, yet, the call hypocracy on Palin because she said her daugheter made a choice to have the child, yet she wants to take that choice away from other people is not OK??:O

How is that hypocritical? Right now her daughter has a choice, she can make it. Just because she doesn't approve of one of the options, doesn't mean the choice doesn't exist, or that her daughter couldn't have told her to shove it. :O

G-Real
09-02-2008, 07:25 PM
How is that hypocritical? Right now her daughter has a choice, she can make it. Just because she doesn't approve of one of the options, doesn't mean the choice doesn't exist, or that her daughter couldn't have told her to shove it. :O

Palin basically stated that her daughter made the choice to have the child. However, she was given the option to choose to have the child, or to have an abortion.

Yet Palin firmly believes that there should be no choice in the matter, that you have to have the child. The woman doesn't have a choice in the matter.

So yet why she is saying her daughter chose to keep the child, if elected, she would work to have that freedom of choice removed.

Its OK for her and her family, but, she'll tell you how to live your life.

Richard_Head
09-02-2008, 07:45 PM
plus you simply can't beat 'free advertising' like this ... unfortunately you can't see it in mainstream media

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7UzxXv8p4&NR=1What purpose would the "mainstream media" have in showing her fire a rifle? I think it's been covered anyways, she likes guns, that's her main appeal to many, it's hardly a secret.


Also, you can't beat mainstream media's ability to BURY a story like this !!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/23/AR2008082302200.html You do realize that you pulled that story from the Washington Post online site don't you? Wouldn't they be considered part of the "mainstream media"???

Richard_Head
09-02-2008, 07:49 PM
Obama is worried because he is not leading by as much as he ought to be at this stage of the game and that's according to a lot of seasoned Dems like Bob Shrum.
I think Obama has had a really good couple of weeks now, I don't think he's worried.

-the "how many houses do you own" question has take the elitist tag away from McCain

-the Palin selection has take away the "experience matters" argument

-the Palin selection is slowly imploding giving people every right to question McCain's judgement

Miss_Luscious
09-02-2008, 08:12 PM
Right. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/02/mccain-camp-battles-charges-palin-belonged-to-aip/

the KKK is a far cry from the AIP. So if you were a mayor of a small town, and a major political party that you weren't part of came to you town, and were going to spend money, you wouldn't attend? If that's the case, then you wouldn't last long as mayor.

Ok fine. Even though members of the party said that she was in fact a member (what reason would they have to lie?), I'll cede the point that she herself wasn't a member. However, her husband was an active member (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/todd_palin_was_registered_memb.php). So are we to believe that he husband was all for secession but she was firmly against it? Seriously?

jester214
09-02-2008, 09:23 PM
Ok fine. Even though members of the party said that she was in fact a member (what reason would they have to lie?), I'll cede the point that she herself wasn't a member. However, her husband was an active member (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/todd_palin_was_registered_memb.php). So are we to believe that he husband was all for secession but she was firmly against it? Seriously?

So what? My last long term girl friend was about as far to the left as could get, we disagreed on tons of issues. Spouses disagree on political issues all the time, I know my parents do. Quit trying to save yourself, you made a mistake (that a lot of others made too) now live with it.

jester214
09-02-2008, 09:29 PM
Palin basically stated that her daughter made the choice to have the child. However, she was given the option to choose to have the child, or to have an abortion.

Yet Palin firmly believes that there should be no choice in the matter, that you have to have the child. The woman doesn't have a choice in the matter.

So yet why she is saying her daughter chose to keep the child, if elected, she would work to have that freedom of choice removed.

Its OK for her and her family, but, she'll tell you how to live your life.

Her daughter did CHOOSE, her daughter could have gone and aborted. Right now that is a legal option. Just because she wants to change that, doesn't mean it still can't happen today. That's not hypocritical.

sapphiregirl
09-02-2008, 09:55 PM
This will probably get me blasted....but where is the diversity at the Republican National Convention? There is some diversity but it's mostly old white men....and they look grumpy.

FBR
09-02-2008, 10:07 PM
So why do you hate old white men? I am one of them and I resent your ageist remark.

FBR

sapphiregirl
09-02-2008, 10:22 PM
So why do you hate old white men? I am one of them and I resent your ageist remark.

FBR



I never said I hated them....I said that is what's at the convention. Where is the diversity? Where are the young people who should be interested in politics? Where are the gay people, black, everything else America is made of?

Mrs. Bush seemed like a Robot when she was speaking.

It sure does come accross as a good ol boy party.

keira0304
09-02-2008, 10:52 PM
^it's because mrs bush is a robot.......well.. an alien lizard anyways.

sapphiregirl
09-02-2008, 11:06 PM
Well, I was interested in what a friend of mine thought of Laura Bush's speech. He seemed rather insulted and hurt. Laura Bush was so high and mighty about the work done towards AIDS....yet he is having hard time because his benefits have been cut on all levels by at least 10%.....sigh.

Sorry Mrs. Bush....this leftie can see through your Republican BS and I care about my friends.

Optimist
09-02-2008, 11:18 PM
You don't have to care.....YET. If things escalate over there and other countries, then a draft just might come up. And if they are smart this time around; they will draft WOMEN and MEN both. You should care just on the Rosie the Riveter from years past, because war can and WILL effect us, penis or not.

Personally, I DO CARE. My hubby is reserves, and I am prior service and still have many of my boys and girls I served with still active. I see countless friends and family members being sent over there left and right, so yes I care; I care VERY much. "Woman's forum" or not.

Yeah, hon, I already lost a cousin in this bullshit war. You didn't get the reference. It was suggested that abortion rights weren't really in jeopardy and the poster wasn't concerned so why don't we stop discussing it. He said the war concerns him more. That's why I said i and women on the board in general could take that attitude about the war since they would not be drafted.

I think both issues are relevant and even if he chooses not to focus on both I sure as shit am focusing on both because they affect us all. It's easy for him to wave away concern about conservatives backdooring the law by stacking the Supreme Court with anti abortion judges.

However for me and every woman on this board within childbearing age it a HUGE deal to be told you have no choice so your body and health will be hijacked for 9 months and you will bear a child of your rapist or molester, a genetically disabled child, or a child you simply cannot afford.....whether you like it or not! 90% of genetically disabled children are aborted meaning 45% of those mothers are conservatives who don't practice what they preach!

glitzy
09-02-2008, 11:21 PM
It sure does come accross as a good ol boy party.

i was watching it at my parents house & couldn't believe my ears when i heard "giiiitt eeerrrr donne!!!" in the background.

cinammonkisses
09-03-2008, 12:30 AM
This will probably get me blasted....but where is the diversity at the Republican National Convention? There is some diversity but it's mostly old white men....and they look grumpy. I was thinking the exact same thing. I only saw 2 blacks and one Indian woman. THAT'S IT!


So why do you hate old white men? I am one of them and I resent your ageist remark.

FBR
But I love you anyway FBR (with your old ass) ;D

sapphiregirl
09-03-2008, 01:17 AM
I was thinking the exact same thing. I only saw 2 blacks and one Indian woman. THAT'S IT!


But I love you anyway FBR (with your old ass) ;D



I hope he didn't take that as an insult...I'm not exactly in my 20's and I've only dated older men.

But...anyway....the lack of diversity at the Republican Convention is almost creepy! Not good.


Who was the Republican at the Convention talking about sex shops in his speech? All the problems in the world and he get s a cheer for sex shops....Ugggggggggg

Melonie
09-03-2008, 01:59 AM
Originally Posted by Melonie
Also, you can't beat mainstream media's ability to BURY a story like this !!!




You do realize that you pulled that story from the Washington Post online site don't you? Wouldn't they be considered part of the "mainstream media"???

The point is that, thanks to wall to wall mainstream news coverage, 99.9% of Americans are now aware that Palin's 17 year old unmarried daughter is pregnant. The same point is that with a mere handful of news stories and essentially no TV coverage, an extremely small percentage of Americans are aware that Biden's son is A. a lobbyist, B. the attempted beneficiary of federal pork spending promoted by Obama, C. heavily involved in the hedge fund industry, with legislation before the Senate that would directly affect that industry in terms of regulations and 'bailouts', and D. knee deep in multi-million dollar fraud lawsuits.

IMHO the latter 'family matter' is far more significant than the former, since there is no possibility that Palin or McCain have used the power of their office to the personal benefit of Palin's daughter.


(snip)"Hunter Biden is one of many children and relatives of prominent members of Congress who have made their careers as lobbyists. He returned to lobbying after less than a year with Paradigm.

Lotito's lawsuit alleges that James Biden called him in January 2006 to arrange a job for Hunter Biden. It says James Biden told him that his brother (Sen. Biden) "was concerned with the impact that Hunter's lobbying activities might have on his expected campaign for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination,"(snip)

(snip)"The campaign of Sens. Barack Obama and Biden declined to comment on the case, referring questions to Nicholas Gravante Jr., a lawyer representing Hunter and James Biden. Gravante said assertions that Joseph Biden told his brother he was concerned about his son's lobbying are "absolutely false." (snip)

and from another 'back page' Post story at

(snip)"Sen. Barack Obama sought more than $3.4 million in congressional earmarks for clients of the lobbyist son of his Democratic running mate, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, records show. Obama succeeded in getting $192,000 for one of the clients, St. Xavier University in suburban Chicago.

Obama's campaign has taken a hard stance against the world of lobbying in the nation's capital. Obama said he limits his own efforts to get money for pet projects -- a process known as earmarking -- to those that benefit the public. He has posted his earmark requests on his presidential campaign Web site to encourage transparency.

Since Obama announced his selection of Biden on Saturday, attention has focused on Biden's lobbying connections as well as his son's lobbying activities. R. Hunter Biden is one of many relatives of members of Congress who work as lobbyists.

The younger Biden started his career as a lobbyist in 2001 and has registered to represent about 21 clients that have brought in $3.5 million to his Washington firm, according to lobbying disclosure forms.

Sen. Biden has collected more than $6.9 million in campaign contributions from lobbyists and lawyers since 1989, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

A spokesman for the Obama campaign said that Hunter Biden himself has never lobbied his father. Another lobbyist in the firm successfully sought an earmark from the senator for the University of Delaware. But Hunter did not work on the account, the spokesman said.

Campaign spokesman David Wade also said Hunter Biden never appealed directly to Obama.

"Hunter Biden met with the Obama Senate office, not with Senator Obama," Wade said. "It's hardly surprising that a Senator from Illinois would fight for investments in Mercy Hospital, Thorek Hospital and St. Xavier University right in Illinois, or that he'd be joined in that effort by a Republican colleague, Representative Judy Biggert."

Hunter Biden, a 38-year-old Georgetown graduate and Yale-trained lawyer, is a name partner in the firm Oldaker, Biden & Belair, founded by William Oldaker, an election lawyer and lobbyist who worked on Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's 1980 presidential campaign and has been a fundraiser and campaign adviser for Sen. Biden.

An analysis for The Washington Post by Taxpayers for Common Sense of Hunter Biden's firm's lobbying business found that its clients collected $2.7 million in earmarks in the last fiscal year."(snip)

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Roxelle
09-03-2008, 02:26 AM
Just because HE wasn't talking with her about it, doesn't mean his people weren't. If you really give his campaign this little credit, you're letting a dislike for Republicans to overshadow your sense.


I'm not saying they've been talking for years, but if you think they decided one night they'd take her, and asked her the next day, then you're not thinking.

Interesting...


Sept. 2 -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was not subjected to a lengthy in-person background interview with the head of Sen. John McCain's vice presidential vetting team until last Wednesday in Arizona, the day before McCain asked her to be his running mate, and she did not disclose the fact that her 17-year-old daughter was pregnant until that meeting, two knowledgeable McCain officials acknowledged Tuesday.

Palin was one of two finalists in the vice presidential sweepstakes who were interviewed last week by former White House counsel Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr., just days before McCain introduced her to the nation as his choice. The other finalist was Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty. One of the officials said Culvahouse was chasing down last-minute information about Pawlenty at the request of the campaign as late as last Thursday, the day McCain offered the job to Palin and she accepted.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090203462.html?hpid=topnews

sapphiregirl
09-03-2008, 02:30 AM
This is hilarious and disturbing....McCain has never worked with Sarah Palin and met her once before naming her his VP candidate.

Now he is calling Sarah Palin his SOULMATE. Is he loosing it? Maybe they should forget the Presidency and get married



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg7ztXQ8VNw

kitana
09-03-2008, 02:35 AM
I never said I hated them....I said that is what's at the convention. Where is the diversity? Where are the young people who should be interested in politics? Where are the gay people, black, everything else America is made of?

I am a 31yr old white Jewish woman who licks pussy every now and again and I am a Republican, so that is a few categories, lol.

Roxelle
09-03-2008, 02:36 AM
It was pretty clearly a rash decision, and he didn't vet her properly. People seem to be denying the obvious because that doesn't say something very good about his decision-making skills or respect for the country.

Miss_Luscious
09-03-2008, 04:58 AM
So what? My last long term girl friend was about as far to the left as could get, we disagreed on tons of issues. Spouses disagree on political issues all the time, I know my parents do. Quit trying to save yourself, you made a mistake (that a lot of others made too) now live with it.

If Michelle Obama was a part of an organization that wanted to become separate from the US, people would be outraged. But Palin's husband was a part of such an organization and it's so what? You really really believe that he was all for it and she wasn't?

This isn't just a rumor. There's this set of circumstantial evidence pegging her as a member of the AIP, the only thing that's missing as an official registration with the state. I don't think you can discount all of the other evidence just because of one missing piece that isn't even required for us to reach the conclusion that she was a member.

Why the hell would their leadership claim her to be a member? Why would she address their convention as recently as March of this year? Why would her husband be a registered member?

We don't see Biden addressing the Natural Law party, or the National Socialists, or any other fringe/regional party.

Zia_Abq
09-03-2008, 07:45 AM
It was pretty clearly a rash decision, and he didn't vet her properly. People seem to be denying the obvious because that doesn't say something very good about his decision-making skills or respect for the country.

Yup :yes: exactly

Jay Zeno
09-03-2008, 08:06 AM
It was suggested that abortion rights weren't really in jeopardy and the poster wasn't concerned so why don't we stop discussing it. Not quite.

Yeah, I don't believe abortion rights are in jeopardy. Since 1981, 16 years of strongly anti-abortion Presidents, and not a dent.

You can discuss whatever you want. I don't control discussion, don't want to. I merely asked that a thread on vice presidents not turn into a thread on abortion. That doesn't mean it's not an issue you can't be concerned about. You can be concerned about whatever you want. If abortion is an issue, great. I was just expressing a hope that the thread wouldn't get threadjacked into an abortion debate.

Eric Stoner
09-03-2008, 08:25 AM
republicans want it to be 1950s forever, and the 1950s were great if you were white and male, otherwise you've been pretty screwed.....

Lincolns Republican party is long since gone, but, if you want to play that game, look who is standing up from equal rights for the last 50 years, the Dems/liberals. I know I know, its a "what have you done for me recently mentality"

Who appointed the second Black to the Supreme Court ? Who appointed the first Black National Security Advisor and first Black Secretary of State ? Who appointed the first Black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff ?

Who has consistently supported vouchers so Black children can go to better schools ? Who has consistently opposed them while sending their own children to private school ?

Under which President did the Black middle class grow the most ? ( Well the answer actually a bit tricky. The rate of growth was highest under Reagan but the overall numbers of blacks in the middle class reached it's zenith under Clinton. )

Eric Stoner
09-03-2008, 08:27 AM
If Michelle Obama was a part of an organization that wanted to become separate from the US, people would be outraged. But Palin's husband was a part of such an organization and it's so what? You really really believe that he was all for it and she wasn't?

This isn't just a rumor. There's this set of circumstantial evidence pegging her as a member of the AIP, the only thing that's missing as an official registration with the state. I don't think you can discount all of the other evidence just because of one missing piece that isn't even required for us to reach the conclusion that she was a member.

Why the hell would their leadership claim her to be a member? Why would she address their convention as recently as March of this year? Why would her husband be a registered member?

We don't see Biden addressing the Natural Law party, or the National Socialists, or any other fringe/regional party.


Yeah Obama really wants to play this game. Rezko, Rev. Wright and William Ayers. Obama's grass-roots housing org. where the housing they built is now run-down and VACANT !

kitana
09-03-2008, 08:33 AM
Yeah Obama really wants to play this game. Rezko, Rev. Wright and William Ayers. Obama's grass-roots housing org. where the housing they built is now run-down and VACANT !

Not to mention ignorant voters will NOT forget his time in a Muslim school, nor will *some* forget he's black, or that his wife has a big "disrespectful mouth" (toward the USA), or that he "refuses to wear a flag pin or put his hand over his heart", or various other things that have been brought up, but the big one will be the whole off shore drilling thing and since he is a Dem and Peloski is a Dem, well you know the rest.

All bullshit to some extents, but will be always in the minds of quite a few.

Eric Stoner
09-03-2008, 08:34 AM
Uh.... have you checked the polls or watched any news in the past few days? Palin has not been such a great thing for McCain and the Republicans. Where are you getting your information? I really want to know.

Actualy I was a bit out of date y-day. The last polls I read came out on Saturday
( Rasmussen 49-45 Obama ) but since then the daily tracking polls have Obama slightly widening his lead hitting 50 and 51% in the latest two.

Jay Zeno
09-03-2008, 08:40 AM
It's true that in looking around the Republican convention-goers, there's not tremendous diversity there.

On the other hand, to my thinking without looking it up, the highest-ranking black and Hispanic people in American government got their positions under Republican appointment. (Colin Powell, black male, Secretary of State; Condoleeza Rice, black female, Secretary of State; Samuel Alito, Supreme Court Justice.) (Other notable Supreme Court appointments were made pretty much equally between Democrats and Republicans: Marshall and Ginsburg, Democrats; O'Connor and Thomas, Republicans.)

Eric Stoner
09-03-2008, 08:44 AM
Not to mention ignorant voters will NOT forget his time in a Muslim school, nor will *some* forget he's black, or that his wife has a big "disrespectful mouth" (toward the USA), or that he "refuses to wear a flag pin or put his hand over his heart", or various other things that have been brought up, but the big one will be the whole off shore drilling thing and since he is a Dem and Peloski is a Dem, well you know the rest.

All bullshit to some extents, but will be always in the minds of quite a few.

Obama never went to a "Muslim school" and it was H I L L A R Y who suggested that he did during the primaries. He did attend a school in Indonesia alongside Muslim children. Big deal. So what ?
I'm starting to be more troubled by his association with Ayers which appears to run deeper and be more involved than just serving on a board together.

Optimist
09-03-2008, 09:27 AM
It's true that in looking around the Republican convention-goers, there's not tremendous diversity there.

On the other hand, to my thinking without looking it up, the highest-ranking black and Hispanic people in American government got their positions under Republican appointment. (Colin Powell, black male, Secretary of State; Condoleeza Rice, black female, Secretary of State; Samuel Alito, Supreme Court Justice.) (Other notable Supreme Court appointments were made pretty much equally between Democrats and Republicans: Marshall and Ginsburg, Democrats; O'Connor and Thomas, Republicans.)

EXACTLY! Don't believe your eyes! Believe the tokens they trot out. :rotfl: You too can be a token in their world if you try. :yes:

Eric Stoner
09-03-2008, 09:45 AM
EXACTLY! Don't believe your eyes! Believe the tokens they trot out. :rotfl: You too can be a token in their world if you try. :yes:

You've sort of backed into an interesting question. Republicans certainly do not
exclude anyone. Blacks have by and large excluded themselves from the Republican Party by being the most loyal Dem voting bloc ( well over 90 % ). In exchange for what ?
Black politicians have certainly done well but has the average black person ?

FDR was as racist as they came yet blacks shifted their loyalty from the Republicans to the Dems starting in 1932. It wasn't the Republicans who prevented civil rights and anti-lynching legislation from being passed. It was mostly Southern Democrats. under Reagan and Bush I the black middle class experienced record growth. Under Bush II , black children's reading and math scores have improved more than under any Dem. president. And the biggest opponnets of vouchers are the Dems and the NEA. One quarter of all Dem delegates were TEACHERS and other Education "professionals" sic.

Jay Zeno
09-03-2008, 09:46 AM
EXACTLY! Don't believe your eyes! Believe the tokens they trot out. :rotfl: You too can be a token in their world if you try. :yes:I don't quantify that way. I believe that all people are allowed their opinions regardless of their gender, race, or ethnicity. If a black female is conservative, that's her choice. She's still black; she's still female.

Eric Stoner
09-03-2008, 09:51 AM
Returning to Governor Palin; the original subject of this thread; the media is now "demanding" a paternity test to determine the "real" mother of Trig Palin.

Did they do that to Edwards ?

Did they explore Hillary's lesbian affairs ?

I was recently in Canada and it's common knowledge up there that Bill Clinton has a Canadian girlfriend. They date quite openly. Why did the American media take a dive ? Even most of the gossip columnists ( except for Musto ) won't go near it.

Miss_Luscious
09-03-2008, 09:52 AM
While watching the convention last night, I was kind of taken aback by the lack of diversity there too. All I saw was old white people. I feel that the Democratic party better represents America because of the diversity. That's not to assume that the ideals of the Dems are superior, rather that the Democratic party encompasses more diversity than the Republican. People of all races,colors, creeds, a social positions working together makes me feel good inside. I believe this is the direction the country needs to go in.

Eric Stoner
09-03-2008, 10:06 AM
While watching the convention last night, I was kind of taken aback by the lack of diversity there too. All I saw was old white people. I feel that the Democratic party better represents America because of the diversity. That's not to assume that the ideals of the Dems are superior, rather that the Democratic party encompasses more diversity than the Republican. People of all races,colors, creeds, a social positions working together makes me feel good inside. I believe this is the direction the country needs to go in.

There's a lot of truth to your observation BUT where were the Dems who are "pro-life" ? Except for Casey they've been run out of the party.
Where are the Dems who support our policy in Iraq ? Except for Lieberman, they've run for cover or come up with nonsense like Biden's " I didn't think Bush would really invade Iraq".
When 25% of your delegates belong to the NEA and another 25% belong to other unions like AFSCME where is the diversity ? Union members are LESS than 10 % of the current workforce.

Jay Zeno
09-03-2008, 10:21 AM
There's a lot of truth to your observation BUT where were the Dems who are "pro-life" ? Except for Casey they've been run out of the party.
Where are the Dems who support our policy in Iraq ? Except for Lieberman, they've run for cover or come up with nonsense like Biden's " I didn't think Bush would really invade Iraq".
When 25% of your delegates belong to the NEA and another 25% belong to other unions like AFSCME where is the diversity ? Union members are LESS than 10 % of the current workforce.
Hm, I can't go with that one, either. It's saying, "Where are the Dems who agree with the Repubs? Why aren't they allowed?" (I don't think there were many Democrat supporters at the Republican convention, either.)

Lieberman is no longer a Democrat.

I don't think much of the country supports our policy in Iraq, and you wouldn't expect the opposition party to support the policies of the prevailing party so much (although they both seem to agree that we need the boots in Afghanistan).

Are 50% of the Democratic delegates union members, really? If so, then I agree. That's out of whack.

Miss_Luscious
09-03-2008, 10:44 AM
Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFY1otOWjQ) is a video from the 2nd Secessionist Convention. At about 6 minutes in, The vice chair of the Alaska Independence Party Dexter Clark says:

"Our current governor, we mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected. There's a joke, she's a pretty good looking gal, there's a joke goes around we're the coldest state with the hottest governor. And there was a lot of talk about her moving up. She was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town -- that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along -- she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won't go into that. She also had about an 80% approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership."

bem401
09-03-2008, 10:53 AM
While watching the convention last night, I was kind of taken aback by the lack of diversity there too. All I saw was old white people. I feel that the Democratic party better represents America because of the diversity. That's not to assume that the ideals of the Dems are superior, rather that the Democratic party encompasses more diversity than the Republican. People of all races,colors, creeds, a social positions working together makes me feel good inside. I believe this is the direction the country needs to go in.

Maybe we can all sing "Kumbaya" as tjhe Dems take us down the toilet with Obama at the helm. Will you still feel good inside if that happens?

The reason the dems seem more diverse is because so much of their constituency encompasses the special interest groups who have an ax to grind. Gays, greens, illegals, drug legalizers, unions, etc, all stick out more than just a collection of "typical" Americans.

Miss_Luscious
09-03-2008, 10:59 AM
So the diversity of the people in the Dem party is bad? Why are people from every walk of life working together a bad thing? God forbid these "special interest groups" have a voice! You're sounding kinda bigoted here.

Also, I am not a member of any of the groups you posted but I am a Dem. Why am I not a typical American? Who has that title locked down?

sapphiregirl
09-03-2008, 11:01 AM
Maybe we can all sing "Kumbaya" as tjhe Dems take us down the toilet with Obama at the helm. Will you still feel good inside if that happens?

The reason the dems seem more diverse is because so much of their constituency encompasses the special interest groups who have an ax to grind. Gays, greens, illegals, drug legalizers, unions, etc, all stick out more than just a collection of "typical" Americans.


No offense but saying groups like gays have an ax to grind makes you look STUPID.

Jay Zeno
09-03-2008, 11:04 AM
If we think that a group of 90+% white people are representative o the "typical" American, then we need to get out more.

sapphiregirl
09-03-2008, 11:05 AM
So the diversity of the people in the Dem party is bad? Why are people from every walk of life working together a bad thing? God forbid these "special interest groups" have a voice! You're sounding kinda bigoted here.

Also, I am not a member of any of the groups you posted but I am a Dem. Why am I not a typical American? Who has that title locked down?


I totally agree. I watched the convention and I was NOT IMPRESSED it was almost funny.....horrible speeches.

Where are the young people who can really change our world.

Just a bunch of old farts who will do the same old thing to protect their own selfish interests.

Miss_Luscious
09-03-2008, 11:09 AM
Where are the young people who can really change our world.

Just a bunch of old farts who will do the same old thing to protect their own selfish interests.

Agreed. The same old people promising brand new things. For real this time!

sapphiregirl
09-03-2008, 11:12 AM
I loved how Bush made an appearance via satellite and mentioned the "angry left" is that anything like a "leftie"?

They have ZERO intention of trying to work with ALL people to make things better.


John McCain is a BIGOT....hardly a "MAVERICK"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7DHscURg3E&eurl=http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/campaign/mccainmarriage/ik5gned4o7mddj77?

Eric Stoner
09-03-2008, 11:29 AM
Hm, I can't go with that one, either. It's saying, "Where are the Dems who agree with the Repubs? Why aren't they allowed?" (I don't think there were many Democrat supporters at the Republican convention, either.)

Lieberman is no longer a Democrat.

I don't think much of the country supports our policy in Iraq, and you wouldn't expect the opposition party to support the policies of the prevailing party so much (although they both seem to agree that we need the boots in Afghanistan).

Are 50% of the Democratic delegates union members, really? If so, then I agree. That's out of whack.

Obviously, I failed to make myself clear. Since the '70's BOTH parties have catered to extremists and moved outward. The Dems to the left and the Reps to the right.
The Dems have ceded control to ultra-left groups as have the Reps. with RTL and other extreme Christers.

And yes, the Dems have made it impossible for those holding right to life views to have any say in national Dem politics. Remember how they wouldn't let Governor
Casey address their convention in 1992 ? Likewise,the Reps. have made it almost impossible for pro-choice candidates.