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Sveta
09-09-2008, 01:17 PM
My bad hustle habit is the opposite of most: talking too much!

YMMV, but if I spend more than 2 minutes talking to a guy or getting in any sort of "real" conversation, the sale is blown. When I keep it light and fast and barely talk, I bank.

cortana
09-09-2008, 07:10 PM
The biggest of my "bad hustle habits" is not having confidence...I've been pretty off lately...

golden41
09-09-2008, 07:22 PM
drinking too much early in the night when it is slow. by the time it is buzy im tired and unfocused.

but the worst for me is prejudging customers///hurts my hustle in many ways

avoiding groups

Pure
09-13-2008, 10:07 AM
I make myself toooo relatable(sp?) I find a common ground something we can have small talk about and then it becomes a full blown converstaion and I become pretty, intelligent girl I can talk to vs. hot sexy stripper I want to spend lots of $$$ on.

piepie
09-13-2008, 10:43 AM
sometimes i can't help it,i talk about politics. very seldom sexy because its pretty much only when i disagree..a real mood killer...

talking too long..

losing my swagger for some reason right in the middle and killing the sale.

AlexxaHex
09-13-2008, 09:28 PM
I give them too many "outs" sometimes, and I'm not pushy enough. I should be more aggressive, and I think they'd sort of expect that with my appearance and all. My problem is the opposite of Emily/CinKisses I need to stop listening to their excuses and just bail more quickly!

I should approach more guys than I do. Sometimes I think someone won't spend or he didn't really mean "later" and I forget about him. Then I find he did dances with someone else and tipped really well too. This happened last night and I was kicking myself.

Also, I need to be more flirty and less salespersony. I shake hands in too much of a businesslike way. Not that I'd grab someone's crotch, but I need to be skankier. LOL

MoetATL07
09-13-2008, 10:19 PM
I like to talk but my dumb ass have whole conversations for free.

cinammonkisses
09-14-2008, 04:00 AM
I give them too many "outs" sometimes, and I'm not pushy enough. I should be more aggressive, and I think they'd sort of expect that with my appearance and all. My problem is the opposite of Emily/CinKisses I need to stop listening to their excuses and just bail more quickly!

I should approach more guys than I do. Sometimes I think someone won't spend or he didn't really mean "later" and I forget about him. Then I find he did dances with someone else and tipped really well too. This happened last night and I was kicking myself.

Also, I need to be more flirty and less salespersony. I shake hands in too much of a businesslike way. Not that I'd grab someone's crotch, but I need to be skankier. LOLNO crotch grabbing pullllllllllleaaaaaaaze! :D

I always approach guys who say maybe later. I tell them, "ok well when will you be ready for your dance from me" if they aren't on bs then they'll say, "come back in 20min" If they still pull that...I straight up ask them if they intend on buying really buying a dance because I dont' want to waste either of our time.

Trust me, I'm learning to bail out more quickly...It feels damn good to stop a broke ass right in the middle of his, "no thanx" than sit around and hear it. It gives me a, "fuck him bitch we're to good anyway" type of spark and it keeps a smile on my face.

As far as the handshake..I'll be honest I still have my moments when I do that. To curb that..I'll like rest my hand on his shoulder and say, "hey nice to meet you"


I like to talk but my dumb ass have whole conversations for free. STOP THAT! You're effing it up for everyone! >:( LOL but hey, at least you know that you have this problem and you're trying to stop it. Moet, give it a 3 song max. Hell, that's about at least 12 min of your time for free right there.

Think about it like this..for you wasting 12 min talking to this dude you could've just made $60 dancing for someone else. Dont' waste time on the non-spenders. Find the one who will make your night!

VegasPrincess
09-14-2008, 04:29 AM
I need to stop getting annoyed so quickly and not get huffy with people. I'm trying to adjust a Las Vegas hustle to Milwaukee, and, it ain't going so good.

ColetteCalahan
09-15-2008, 03:24 PM
Occasionally I lose stripperific-ness and burst out laughing at the ridiculousness of it all in the middle of a sale (usually always one I'm sure won't happen anyway... oftentimes one with a language barrier)

this doesn't happen THAT often... but man, occasionally i just crack the fuck up.

Malena
09-16-2008, 09:34 PM
I make myself toooo relatable(sp?) I find a common ground something we can have small talk about and then it becomes a full blown converstaion and I become pretty, intelligent girl I can talk to vs. hot sexy stripper I want to spend lots of $$$ on.

So much word! I feel myself doing this. You are, after all, supposed to be fantasy, someone they'd probably never have a shot with IRL...

luvbuniz
09-17-2008, 01:30 PM
:O I had this happen a couple of times where guys just want to be 'friends' and take you out to dinner. Then another girl comes along with a more direct approach and takes him upstairs!

Just stick to being flirty and fun. Divert any way too personal questions and anything too intellectual (this is a major deal breaker even with smart men).

Once you're upstairs in VIP, you can get chatty there.

Nuclear Martini
09-17-2008, 06:03 PM
I tend to avoid guys who come in by themselves, I don't know what it is but its easier for me to approach a group of guys then one lone guy sitting by himself.

Also I can get too into a conversation and forget that I am suppose to be sexy not a smart ass bitch }:D .

charlie61
09-17-2008, 06:16 PM
I'll say REALLY stupid shit sometimes. Like "what you should never, ever do if you want to make money" stuff.

::walks up to VIP counter with customer::
Me: "So you only want one, right?"

:O... >:( WHAT DID I JUST SAY???

This after having danced for two years. I don't know why I say shit like this.

Or when I finish a dance, I'll say the same thing "So you only wanted one, right?" Or "So are you done with me now?" (Said cheekily, but still stupid) >:(

It's funny to me because I actually do very, very well at my club. But c'mon now. I need to stop that shit. Stupid, stupid.

cinammonkisses
09-17-2008, 06:21 PM
Or when I finish a dance, I'll say the same thing "So you only wanted one, right?" Or "So are you done with me now?" (Said cheekily, but still stupid) >:(

Hmmm maybe to save yourself from this say something like:

Him: yeah I think we're done
You: smacks his arm "Yeah right! As much fun as we've had, you can't POSSBILY be done with me! Let's keep going __(insert his name)___"
Him: Ok

Prob solved :D

NewMoon
09-17-2008, 06:23 PM
Just stick to being flirty and fun. Divert any way too personal questions and anything too intellectual (this is a major deal breaker even with smart men).

Why divert anything too intellectual? I've noticed that when I am "super smart stripper" and start a conversation on the floor, they either are much more likely to say no to a lapdance or they fall in love with me and spend a ton of me. I'm not sure how to maximize my earnings with this discovery.

cinammonkisses
09-17-2008, 06:27 PM
^I'm trying very hard not to be the "smart college stripper" because alot of men want to play that "white knight" fantasy. Plus, some guys just think strippers are dumb! I can't play the dumb blonde (no pun intended lol) route, but I try to keep deep intellectual conversations to a strict minimum. I'm learning to just be super flirty and smile, and shake my boobs more lol.

charlie61
09-17-2008, 06:32 PM
Hmmm maybe to save yourself from this say something like:

Him: yeah I think we're done
You: smacks his arm "Yeah right! As much fun as we've had, you can't POSSBILY be done with me! Let's keep going __(insert his name)___"
Him: Ok

Prob solved :D

I like this! So I can still use my cheeky line, but have a follow-up like your example. Thank you!

NewMoon
09-17-2008, 06:33 PM
^I can see how that can work. So far I've discovered that my best chances for getting a dance with a middle-aged man is to mention my university and that I teach piano but to leave it at that. They LOVE the piano teaching.

I usually work it in somehow, like if they ask how often I dance I'll say something like "No that often because I'm going to school and I also teach piano" followed by *change subject*

charlie61
09-17-2008, 06:37 PM
^I'm trying very hard not to be the "smart college stripper" because alot of men want to play that "white knight" fantasy. Plus, some guys just think strippers are dumb! I can't play the dumb blonde (no pun intended lol) route, but I try to keep deep intellectual conversations to a strict minimum. I'm learning to just be super flirty and smile, and shake my boobs more lol.

I'm definitely learning the difference between being myself (smart college stripper) vs. being smart, but focusing on having a fun time w/ the guy vs. being a total dip.

I'm trying to go for that happy medium where I'm intelligent, but also very entertaining. This has helped me cut my hustle time down immensely...because I'm smart about things that are based in the club (mostly) instead of larger subjects. My intelligence comes across in remarks I make, rather than intense conversations I start. If that makes sense.

NewMoon
09-17-2008, 06:38 PM
^^^I know exactly what you mean! That is what I am for as well. You don't need to have an intellectual conversation to come across as intelligent.

charlie61
09-17-2008, 06:42 PM
^^^I know exactly what you mean! That is what I am for as well. You don't need to have an intellectual conversation to come across as intelligent.

When I first started, I'd spend up to an hour (and usually come back later) with ONE guy, having a super intense (good, but intense) conversation with him. CRAZY. I've been working hard on finding the happy medium lately. But the first year of dancing, even though I made good money (b/c some older guy would always fall in love with me and spend money), I wasted SO much time and energy on representing the true Me.

NewMoon
09-17-2008, 06:47 PM
^^^Hahaha for awhile I'd blabber on about my thesis. It got me a lot of "NOs" and a few big spenders so I guess it kind of evened out LOL.

At least I had tons of people to bounce ideas off of ;)

cinammonkisses
09-17-2008, 06:49 PM
I like this! So I can still use my cheeky line, but have a follow-up like your example. Thank you!
I'm glad you like it..I seem to get my best "come back" lines when I'm at home. I "think" I come up with some damn good lines..If only I could remember half of them to use myself when I get to work. :D

iristheflower19
09-19-2008, 12:12 PM
I drink too much to cover my up my low self esteem and to get the courage to approach guys.

iristheflower19
09-19-2008, 12:52 PM
im right with you. i dont mind dancing (they are table dances no contact) that does not bother me. its approaching guys that make me so nervous. ive been doing this for 4 years and still cant get over it!

MeanGirl
09-19-2008, 02:22 PM
lately i have been to argumentative, bitchy, and overly defensive and sensitive to asshole customers who try to ask me alllll the same questions and tell me they are different yadda yadda yadda. I need to be a better actress and pretend like I care, i have been just getting up and walking away.

charlie61
09-19-2008, 02:31 PM
lately i have been to argumentative, bitchy, and overly defensive and sensitive to asshole customers who try to ask me alllll the same questions and tell me they are different yadda yadda yadda. I need to be a better actress and pretend like I care, i have been just getting up and walking away.

Meeee tooo. I need to remember that they don't realize how monotonous conversations can get....

brazenpeach
09-20-2008, 09:59 AM
I make myself toooo relatable(sp?) I find a common ground something we can have small talk about and then it becomes a full blown converstaion and I become pretty, intelligent girl I can talk to vs. hot sexy stripper I want to spend lots of $$$ on.

This is a bad thing? 'Splain to the newbie please.

cinammonkisses
09-20-2008, 10:18 AM
This is a bad thing? 'Splain to the newbie please.
If you're spending so much time with a customer to the point that he forgets that you are a dancer, that this is a job. Remember to keep it flirty, you're a fantasy, you're here to make sure he has a good time!

ladyserenity5
09-20-2008, 10:59 AM
I make myself toooo relatable(sp?) I find a common ground something we can have small talk about and then it becomes a full blown converstaion and I become pretty, intelligent girl I can talk to vs. hot sexy stripper I want to spend lots of $$$ on.

I find that I do this ALL the time. Then they want to date me or marry me. Crap!! :-X I should just say something they would expect a stripper to say. But I like impressing people. Grrr...

Also, almost everything everyone has done wrong, I feel like I'm doing!! *pout*:-[ But I think it all stems from a lack of self confidence. There are days when I better and days when I'm worse.

msbathsheba
12-02-2013, 02:12 PM
I need to start implying the 0 tolerance for assholes as well. Hell, I may even tell them I'm leaving bc I have a 0 tolerance for assholes.

Another thing that I do is put up with touchy feely guys. *knock on wood* every once and a while I'll get a very hands on customer. I try to be cute and have them stop the behavior, but I usually give up if I feel they are going to spend more..and ummm they never do. So now, I'm gonna also let them know I have a 0 tolerance for assholes!!

Just tell them that it feels soooo good having them run their hands all over your body, but you'll get in trouble if they do it on the floor, and would they like to take you to the private area so you can continue? Of course this will only work in a club that allows some contact.

lovelydancer
12-06-2013, 11:33 AM
I also make myself too relatable. But I don't do the uber sensual or ditzy stripper act well. I'm much better as bubbly girl next door...but while with some guys I can make money the rest it's too relatable. Damn!

Selina M
12-15-2013, 09:02 AM
Oh, I like this thread, I don't feel like I make so many mistakes now!

I am exactly like Pure above: I have a bad habit of pulling the laid-back "anti-hustle" to the point where I get into too much buddy buddy conversation with them, and then they see me as girlfriend material or someone to sit and drink with. Granted, some appreciate that and get dances, but I do much better when I play the dumb bubbly blonde that I look like.

Also, I get pissed off and discouraged too easily... the worst is when it's me and 1 or 2 other girls who either do extras or allow a lot more contact, and are thus taking all the customers early in the day. Totally ruins my mood. I need to stop watching them.

SarahM91
12-15-2013, 10:32 AM
One thing I believe I do that I shouldn't is engage in "buddy buddy" conversation. I tone down the sexy and there goes that stripper status I'm trying to maintain in order to get a dance!

I feel like this should be a sticky! "What Not To Do" all in one thread.

Jamiekw
12-26-2013, 03:44 AM
I am bad recently for attempting to spread my feathers and show that I'm far more intelligent. I sit and talk and immediately from the off am attempting to say wittier, funnier and more factual things in a bid to show my 'urgh you are another gross man that thinks you're above me right now, when in fact I'm actually way smarter than you give me credit for' side.

Nothing closes a wallet quicker and scares away a boner than a woman trying to outwit a man.

I have to lose this air of despise I have for them of late. It's murdering my sales.

charlie61
01-03-2014, 12:41 PM
I am bad recently for attempting to spread my feathers and show that I'm far more intelligent. I sit and talk and immediately from the off am attempting to say wittier, funnier and more factual things in a bid to show my 'urgh you are another gross man that thinks you're above me right now, when in fact I'm actually way smarter than you give me credit for' side.

Ugh, yes. And men wonder why there are so few intelligent strippers - it's because 90% of us are dumbing ourselves down to try to make a damn sale!

I felt most compelled to do this when I didn't feel stable in other areas of my life (specifically, I was in school, felt insecure about my major, and didn't know what I was going to do once I graduated). I felt I needed to justify myself to everyone whenever I got the chance, so I'd take that energy out at work.

xxxGothBarbie
01-03-2014, 12:42 PM
If you're spending so much time with a customer to the point that he forgets that you are a dancer, that this is a job. Remember to keep it flirty, you're a fantasy, you're here to make sure he has a good time!

^ This exactly!

deni.dee
01-04-2014, 06:33 PM
I love this thread.

One of my big bad hustle habit is leaving a guy right after we finish a set of dances or private room when I know he has more money in his wallet. I'll try to return to the well later with the ones I know have money, and I'll see some other dancer with them or spending a lot more time. I'm not good at getting extensions on our semi-private dances or stacking floor dances, and sometimes after a dance set (like 3 songs or more), or a half hour room, I kind of want a break from the guy, and will leave him even when it's slow and I know I shouldn't.

ScarletKitten
11-27-2014, 05:24 AM
The worst hustle habit I have is blurting out "I don't blame you" when they turn down a VIP. I just wanted to kick myself.

I've also said terrible things like, "Yeah we'll probably get cancer from all the fog in here" - that is sooooo cynical and unsexy, holy shit, what is wrong with me! Or I'll blurt out other unsexy things that a stripper shouldn't be talking about! I need to learn to STFU sometimes.

I learned when I first started dancing to never bring up politics or religion. It still happens occasionally, and I want to just run away when the subject of politics comes up. I've managed to piss off some customers by accidentally revealing too much of my political side! OOPS!

So yeah, less talking in general is what I need to work on.

wednesday86
11-27-2014, 03:58 PM
1. Acting TOO sweet and TOO down to earth. I'm a Southerner and that's how I was taught to socialize. It works fine with sweet old men, but in general I make so much more money when I act spoiled and demanding!

2. Slipping "out of character" and using big words or forgetting to talk about "sexy" things.

3. Not draining every last dollar out of every customer's wallet, even when I know he has more and I know I can get it...I need to work on being greedier.

Apryl
11-27-2014, 08:10 PM
Sometimes I go to work too late and sit around until I'm in the mood to work... I answer personal questions about my life that I should probably leave private... I sit with customers too long thinking they'll spend multiple hours in the VIP room with me... Sometimes I ignore the customers because I'm not in the mood to deal with them lol

simone87
11-27-2014, 08:15 PM
being too "nice" and talking to them for too long. after almost 4 years i STILL do it!

not wanting to appear "greedy". getting up and saying " so you just want those two?" when i should continue dancing on their lap and running my hand along their leg and whispering " let's do one more". i'm too afraid of rejection.

not approaching every customer.

not smiling on stage or trying to hustle the guy while i'm up there

SnuffleUffleGrass
11-28-2014, 09:58 AM
Looking back, I can say the hugest mistakes I made were 1) not figuring out whether the guy was really into me or not. (You have to read his body language before he approaches to bet on whether he is a good "mark.')

And 2) Droning on and on after about 15 minutes of convo. I wanted so badly to make a good impression that I would have a normal conversation with anyone in the room- keep in mind, not everyone deserves your time or respect.

culitos
12-03-2014, 08:26 PM
My biggest mistake has been not pushing rooms/dances. You just never know.

lol1337a
12-04-2014, 12:00 AM
I worked in a club where there were only floor or $20 dances for six years. I got so good at stringing dances. Then I moved to a major city with room clubs two years ago and I'm still figuring out how the hell to determine when to push for another floor dance in the hopes the guy will take me to VIP, or abandon him as a low spender (you sure as hell don't want to get stuck with a 3 song, $60 customer when you know there are guys with $5k+ to blow in the room). Sometimes I size a guy up as a non spender just to see him take a dancer who spent a little more time with him to a room for hours. It's so frustrating, and I feel like I've had to relearn my hustle entirely. I had my shit down pat before.

AlenaRoza
12-04-2014, 06:18 AM
Sometimes I go to work too late and sit around until I'm in the mood to work... I answer personal questions about my life that I should probably leave private... I sit with customers too long thinking they'll spend multiple hours in the VIP room with me... Sometimes I ignore the customers because I'm not in the mood to deal with them lol

I do this too. Sometimes it's so cold in the DR that I won't get dressed for a while, but most of the time I'm just not in the mood. I start putting on makeup over makeup..slowly, and smile in the mirror to help me at least fake being excited. I purposely started getting there earlier so I could sit back there longer lol. I mean, it helps. Then I get ready, walk out and sit around more. Takes a good 45 mins for me to be on top of my game, oh well.

Other than that, I:

ignore and avoid a lot of people. young ones especially.

i'm guilty of asking "..why not?" a couple times after being turned down. This was when I was a baby stripper, hahaha omg.

Sometimes I take too long to approach and other girls get there first. it's sad that I'm not even nervous, just lazy.

I really don't like doing more than 5-7 dances in a row, I get overheated and when I over heat I get very nauseous and dizzy. Also I'm really self conscious about the possibility of them feeling me all wet and sweaty, so I usually stop at that point.

arielbriel
12-04-2014, 06:16 PM
Giving up too quickly, bringing up VIP too soon, not drinking LOL.

lol1337a
12-04-2014, 06:36 PM
^^Not drinking in Manhattan is so hard! I've been trying to cut down lately and it's been affecting my money a little. Makes the night seem so slow and tedious even when you're banking. Customers are either boring as fuck or a pain in the ass.

crystalize
12-04-2014, 07:48 PM
Lol for me it's either drinking too little or too much. I have a happy medium where I get in the zone and make the most money and enjoy it the most.