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sapphiregirl
09-08-2008, 04:31 PM
Not all Pentecostals speak in tongues or roll on the floor. I think that's mainly an Appalachian thing. At any rate, what difference does it make? Some people might think it's weird that I sway and chant in Hebrew when I pray. It has no bearing on the way I do my job.
It makes a difference when she starts saying a WAR is a task from GOD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs
Zia_Abq
09-08-2008, 04:36 PM
Not all Pentecostals speak in tongues or roll on the floor. I think that's mainly an Appalachian thing. At any rate, what difference does it make? Some people might think it's weird that I sway and chant in Hebrew when I pray. It has no bearing on the way I do my job.
What difference does it make? Well do you want the world to know thatyour possible Prez might be rolling on the floor of the White House and speaking in tongues to help them decide the fate of free world? I know I sure don’t. I guess you feel different though and that is your prerogative.
Yekhefah
09-08-2008, 04:44 PM
Pentecostals don't "consult a talking snake." I think you would be pretty damn offended if your religion were mocked the way you're mocking hers. I'm not a Palin supporter and I agree that the Pentecostal faith is a bit loopy, but I know plenty of Pentecostals who are intelligent, capable people, and honestly I'm disappointed by the nastiness in this thread. Attack her stance on important issues, discuss her leadership experience, whatever, but I see no reason to mock her religion or tear down her children. That's just below the belt and inappropriate.
Zia_Abq
09-08-2008, 04:49 PM
FWIW, I re phrased it while you were typing because it didn't come out correct. I respect their right to practice their beliefs but that doesn't mean I can't think it's funny and not the best image for a VP or Prez. Seriously, is that what you want the rest of the world to think of when they see our leaders? Hasn't Bush been bad enough in the poor image department? Do we REALLY need more of that?
Also I've never torn down her kids. I have said more than once I feel BAD for them.
And you're not a Palin supporter? I'm confused by that since wasn't it you who wrote about how you were really pulling for her to be the VP pick. Do I have you confused with someone else?
Yekhefah
09-08-2008, 04:51 PM
I thought she looked good on paper but now I'm hearing other things and haven't made up my mind yet. I'm playing Swiss until I get more information.
Zia_Abq
09-08-2008, 04:53 PM
LOL! ok, Got it :)
sapphiregirl
09-08-2008, 05:04 PM
Sarah Palin's church.....
Scary....scary....stuff...alone....but no freaking way when you put her with war hungry John McCain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkY5K1Sbh0Y
Dirty Ernie
09-08-2008, 05:14 PM
Here's a good article balancing some of the issues regarding Mrs. Palin from the people who know her and her record best.
http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/090808/sta_329827273.shtml
Also adn.com is the Anchorage Daily News with seemingly fair articles about her candidacy.
Optimist
09-08-2008, 07:17 PM
I know alot of people tend to forget this, but the Republican Party under the concent of Gov. Palin was the one's that said Bristol is preggers. This was due to the rumor that Bristol is the real mother of Gov. Palin's youngest son Trigg. The Republican party put these childern out there for the media and the general pulics scurtny. Not the Democrats. I can understand some of the more conservatives members on this post if it was truly the Dems or the Media that truly exposed Ms. Bristol Palin. but that is not the case.
I didn't say who put them in the spotlight, only the reasons why there were put there.
Eric Stoner
09-09-2008, 10:35 AM
What difference does it make? Well do you want the world to know thatyour possible Prez might be rolling on the floor of the White House and speaking in tongues to help them decide the fate of free world? I know I sure don’t. I guess you feel different though and that is your prerogative.
Actually, the last Pentecostal we had in hgh office was Attorney General Asscroft and it was he who REFUSED to sign off on a Bush Administration proposal to conduct (inter alia) illegal wiretapping. That was when then White House Counsel
Gonzales went to Asscroft's hospital room to try and get him to sign off. Despite his wacky religious beliefs, Asscroft upheld the Constitution and wouldn't do it.
sapphiregirl
09-09-2008, 12:15 PM
Actually, the last Pentecostal we had in hgh office was Attorney General Asscroft and it was he who REFUSED to sign off on a Bush Administration proposal to conduct (inter alia) illegal wiretapping. That was when then White House Counsel
Gonzales went to Asscroft's hospital room to try and get him to sign off. Despite his wacky religious beliefs, Asscroft upheld the Constitution and wouldn't do it.
Eric Stoner....
Do you care to comment on this....Also, do you think people in other countries who hate the United States have the ability to use Youtube? Yep...he sure knows how to make us safer and impress our allies!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I
Eric Stoner
09-09-2008, 12:24 PM
Eric Stoner....
Do you care to comment on this....Also, do you think people in other countries who hate the United States have the ability to use Youtube? Yep...he sure knows how to make us safer and impress our allies!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I
First of all, I have repeatedly made it clear I am voting for O B A M A. Reluctantly and without enthusiasm but I am NOT voting for McCain. So I don't care how many bad jokes McCain has made about Chelsea's lineage or how many times he resurrects the "Bomb, bomb, bomb .... bomb bomb Iran " ditty first popular back in 1980.
sapphiregirl
09-09-2008, 12:26 PM
First of all, I have repeatedly made it clear I am voting for O B A M A. Reluctantly and without enthusiasm but I am NOT voting for McCain. So I don't care how many bad jokes McCain has made about Chelsea's lineage or how many times he resurrects the "Bomb, bomb, bomb .... bomb bomb Iran " ditty first popular back in 1980.
Did I say you were? Considering how you like to come on here and talk politics, its a legitimate question to want an opinion on.
I don't think I've asked anyone here who they are voting for.
Eric Stoner
09-09-2008, 01:19 PM
Did I say you were? Considering how you like to come on here and talk politics, its a legitimate question to want an opinion on.
I don't think I've asked anyone here who they are voting for.
I'm sorry. I misunderstood you. If it matters, I thought McCain was being silly and tasteless and was NOT funny.
Richard_Head
09-09-2008, 07:57 PM
Actually, the last Pentecostal we had in hgh office was Attorney General Asscroft and it was he who REFUSED to sign off on a Bush Administration proposal to conduct (inter alia) illegal wiretapping. That was when then White House Counsel
Gonzales went to Asscroft's hospital room to try and get him to sign off. Despite his wacky religious beliefs, Asscroft upheld the Constitution and wouldn't do it.It was also Ashcroft who attempted to impose his beliefs on to others (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_5_63/ai_107897326). Just another reason to be scared of Palin.
LadyM
09-09-2008, 08:04 PM
That woman is batshit crazy. She should not be allowed in Washington DC, period. Not to mention one 72 yr old failed heart-beat from the Presidency.
sapphiregirl
09-09-2008, 09:52 PM
That woman is batshit crazy. She should not be allowed in Washington DC, period. Not to mention one 72 yr old failed heart-beat from the Presidency.
LOL...I agree.
I'd love to know how McWar and Palin are going to address this. Republicans are so war happy all the time. I don't think they have a clue or care what they are doing....and it's not MY GOD'S Plan
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The rate of suicides among-active duty soldiers is on pace to surpass both last year's numbers and the rate of suicide in the general U.S. population for the first time since the Vietnam war, according to U.S. Army officials.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/HEALTH/09/09/army.suicides/art.army.gi.jpg Officials attribute the rise in suicides to anxiety and stress from increased operations and more deployments.
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As of August, 62 Army soldiers have committed suicide, and 31 cases of possible suicide remain under investigation, according to Army statistics. Last year, the Army recorded 115 suicides among its ranks, which was also higher than the previous year.
Army officials said that if the trend continues this year, it will pass the nation's suicide rate of 19.5 people per 100,000, a 2005 figure considered the most recent by the government.
The rise can be attributed to the increased pace of combat operations, the number of deployments and financial and family troubles connected with deployments, Army (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/U_S_Army_Activities) officials said.
"Army leaders are fully aware that repeated deployments have led to increased distress and anxiety for both soldiers and their families," Secretary of the Army Pete Geren said. "This stress on the force is validated by recent studies of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans reporting symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder or major depression."
The statistics were released Tuesday at a news conference announcing the completion of a study by mental health experts who the Veterans Administration (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Veterans_Affairs) asked to review its suicide prevention work and track numbers.
On Tuesday, the VA also announced findings from a study showing that suicides hit an all-time high in 2006 among younger U.S. military veterans who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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The numbers show record levels for men, but the statistics are lower for women.
According to the VA, about 46 of 100,000 males between the ages of 18 and 29 utilizing VA services committed suicide in 2006, compared with about 27 the year before.
For female veterans in the same age group, about three in 100,000 killed themselves in 2006, compared with about eight per 100,000 in 2005.
The suicide rate for males is also higher than for the general United States population in 2005. The number for the general population is about 20 people per 100,000, according to the VA numbers. Numbers were not available for the 2006 general male population suicides.
Veterans Secretary James Peake said the department would try to reduce the number of suicides by using recommendations by the mental health expert panel.
"The report of this blue-ribbon panel, and other efforts under way, will ensure VA mobilizes its full resources to care for our most vulnerable veterans," Peake said in a statement.
Among veterans who left the military in 2001, 141 killed themselves between 2002 and 2005, according to VA statistics in the report. In 2006, 113 more veterans from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars committed suicide.
The Veterans Administration has said the rise in suicides can be directly connected to the increase in veterans coming from both wars since 2001.
Representatives from the Department of Defense, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institutes of Health made the following recommendations:
• Design a study that will identify suicide risk among veterans of different conflicts, ages, genders, military branches and other factors.
• Improve the VA's screening for suicide among veterans with depression or post-traumatic stress disorder.
• Foster a better understanding of suitable medications for depression, PTSD and suicidal behavior
Eric Stoner
09-10-2008, 12:17 PM
It was also Ashcroft who attempted to impose his beliefs on to others (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_5_63/ai_107897326). Just another reason to be scared of Palin.
Richard PLEASE ! I neither like nor agree with folks like Asscroft. There are good reasons why I insist on misspelling his name. I was just citing one instance; maybe the ONLY one afaik; where he stood up for the Constitution.
And as a matter of fact Palin no longer attends a Pentecostal church.
flickad
09-10-2008, 11:52 PM
For those of you that don't think that the VP stand on censorship, whether it regarding books, music, sex education is not an issue, then I would like to ask you this? ( I know this is super Hypothetical) Sen McCain is ellected and ( God forbid) he he dies. Would you want a VP that could start denying the American people certain types of information because she does not like it and her party backs it. This could lead to cascading effect. We all part of the StripperWeb Universe. Most Republicans would view this site and the members iimmoral just off of the title of this site alone. We could get shut down because "we do not represent American values". Even though when peel through the layers there is much more to all of us on here.
We can freely express ourselves here. Yes, we have drama- lama episodes at times and we don't always agree with each other. But, we are allow to say our peace.
You can say what about the terrorist all you want. I love my country. I have been serving this country for 8 years (active duty and reserves). I am less afraid of the so-called "terrorist that will follow me home if I don't get them at there home"
Doesn't the Fifth Amendment prevent government suppression of expression anyway? Sure, I understand there are exceptions, but I also know it's interpreted quite expansively nonetheless. My knowledge of US law may be fairly rudimentary, but I am regardless quite certain that broad attempts at censorship on Palin's part would likely be unconstitutional.
flickad
09-10-2008, 11:57 PM
In the interest of equal time, I'd be happy if there was just a little discussion about Joe Biden's son Hunter in front page news coverage to remotely rival the front page news coverage that Palin's daughter has gotten so far ...
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/24/bidens-son-a-partner-in-d-c-lobbying-firm/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080825/ap_on_el_pr/biden_mbna
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/23/AR2008082302200.html
I noticed that Biden and Palin don't get anything like equal time with regard to media attention.
flickad
09-11-2008, 12:06 AM
Did you and do you have the same concern for Chelsea ? or Cheney's daughter who was outed on national television byu Edwards ?
As for the Palins, we can't be sure and will NEVER be sure because it is a PRIVATE matter. The "Right to Privacy". Sound familiar ?
I can't believe that I, a non-American, have to tell you this, but here goes:
The Bill of rights attached to the US Constitution is by no means absolute. Not only are there recognised exceptions (for example, speech that forms part of an offence is not protected by the Fifth Amendment), but the rights themselves protect only against governmental action. Therefore, government interference with privacy might be unconstitutional, but media or private interference isn't.
I've done the equivalent of US law 101. It's a bit scary to think I (and I consider myself very much a noob with regard to the American legal system) might know more about how the US Constitution works than some of the locals.
sapphiregirl
09-11-2008, 12:13 AM
I noticed that Biden and Palin don't get anything like equal time with regard to media attention.
I've noticed that too. I'm starting to find it disturbing that Sarah Palin has gone for over a week without answering questions. Her first interview is going to be prepared questions. She is a total puppet.
She should have been taking questions and defending her positions from Day 1.
Eric Stoner
09-11-2008, 09:53 AM
Doesn't the Fifth Amendment prevent government suppression of expression anyway? Sure, I understand there are exceptions, but I also know it's interpreted quite expansively nonetheless. My knowledge of US law may be fairly rudimentary, but I am regardless quite certain that broad attempts at censorship on Palin's part would likely be unconstitutional.
First of all it is the "FIRST Amendment" that says "Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech, or of the press .... ".
Eric Stoner
09-11-2008, 09:54 AM
I can't believe that I, a non-American, have to tell you this, but here goes:
The Bill of rights attached to the US Constitution is by no means absolute. Not only are there recognised exceptions (for example, speech that forms part of an offence is not protected by the Fifth Amendment), but the rights themselves protect only against governmental action. Therefore, government interference with privacy might be unconstitutional, but media or private interference isn't.
I've done the equivalent of US law 101. It's a bit scary to think I (and I consider myself very much a noob with regard to the American legal system) might know more about how the US Constitution works than some of the locals.
Just because it's "legal" doesn't mean it's tasteful, proper or fair.
Eric Stoner
09-11-2008, 09:56 AM
I've noticed that too. I'm starting to find it disturbing that Sarah Palin has gone for over a week without answering questions. Her first interview is going to be prepared questions. She is a total puppet.
She should have been taking questions and defending her positions from Day 1.
Charles Gibson agreed to prepared questions ? I doubt that. What is your source for that please ?
Zia_Abq
09-11-2008, 10:11 AM
I noticed that Biden and Palin don't get anything like equal time with regard to media attention.
This is very true but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that she was a virtual unknown and a complete out of left felid choice ( and imo a ridiculous pick). This is very unlike Biden who has a long history of being on the scene and was also one of the original candidates for Prez and even participated in primary election debates and on the short list of potential VP picks for Obama.
bem401
09-11-2008, 10:29 AM
I noticed that Biden and Palin don't get anything like equal time with regard to media attention.
Let's not forget thay neither did McCain get the same amount of attention as Obama, for the same reasons that Biden gets less attention than Palin. They didn't generate the same level of excitement as the other.
flickad
09-13-2008, 09:10 PM
First of all it is the "FIRST Amendment" that says "Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech, or of the press .... ".
Sorry, my mistake.
flickad
09-13-2008, 09:11 PM
Just because it's "legal" doesn't mean it's tasteful, proper or fair.
Since when is the media ever tasteful, proper or fair?
threlayer
09-14-2008, 10:11 PM
Pastor: GOP may be downplaying Palin's religious beliefs
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/08/palin.pastor/
All right That's IT !!!!
I've friggin' had it with this babe.....
Just about the LAST thing we need in our government is another RELIGIOUS ZEALOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!