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boxingdoc
09-04-2008, 08:27 AM
Every pregnancy is preventable? Abortion is not medically necessary? I suggest you research your facts a bit closer.

Of the women getting abortions in America, half were using contraception at the time of conception. You are a sexually active adult who admits to using contraception, so therefore, you believe in sexually safer practices, not abstinence for the roughly 600,000 women whose contraception failed them. Other than abstinence, what other suggestions do you have for these women to absolutely prevent pregnancy?

No medical necessity? How about ectopic pregnancy, uterine cancer, anencephalic fetus, medical conditions of the mother in which the mother cannot live without certain medications, but the medications are guaranteed to have devastating effects on the fetus; and eclampsia to name just a few.

Kabukicho
09-04-2008, 08:28 AM
^Was about to say the same thing Kitty, this could soon become my first SW fight. The ignorance in this thread is astounding, moving on.....

happygiggles
09-04-2008, 08:28 AM
probably to some extent, they are. For instance, if a poor woman becomes pregnant with a tubal pregnancy, medicare will pay for the abortion. Planned Parenthood is funded by a variety of sources public and private. It is impossible to say where the funding came from for abortion procedures through that agency.

So, in a sense, yes taxes pay for abortions. I can guarantee you that it is a lot cheaper for the taxpayer to cover the cost of an abortion than it is to cover the cost of an unwanted child in the foster care system or to cover welfare/medicare/ food stamps for an underage and/or poor mother.


I agree. With all the stamps, medicaid, welfare, section 8, and free daycare programs there are out there. We're speding millions supporting other people's kids. But you mentioned a tubal pregnancy in which it is medically necessary to get an abortion.

jaizaine
09-04-2008, 08:29 AM
Every pregnancy is preventable? Abortion is not medically necessary? I suggest you research your facts a bit closer.

Of the women getting abortions in America, half were using contraception at the time of conception. You are a sexually active adult who admits to using contraception, so therefore, you believe in sexually safer practices, not abstinence for the roughly 600,000 women whose contraception failed them. Other than abstinence, what other suggestions do you have for these women to absolutely prevent pregnancy?

No medical necessity? How about ectopic pregnancy, uterine cancer, anencephalic fetus, medical conditions of the mother in which the mother cannot live without certain medications, but the medications are guaranteed to have devastating effects on the fetus; and eclampsia to name just a few.

Im so glad you jumped into this thread. Unfortunately I don't think facts are of interest to her.

Lysondra
09-04-2008, 08:29 AM
probably to some extent, they are. For instance, if a poor woman becomes pregnant with a tubal pregnancy, medicare will pay for the abortion. Planned Parenthood is funded by a variety of sources public and private. It is impossible to say where the funding came from for abortion procedures through that agency.

So, in a sense, yes taxes pay for abortions. I can guarantee you that it is a lot cheaper for the taxpayer to cover the cost of an abortion than it is to cover the cost of an unwanted child in the foster care system or to cover welfare/medicare/ food stamps for an underage and/or poor mother.

YAY!!! FREE abortions for EVERYONE!

I'm sorry.. I just felt that this is where this thread was heading.

Kabukicho
09-04-2008, 08:30 AM
well here in america where they're not free, we make a way to pay for it. if what jasmine is saying is true she can go get medicaid in her state to pay for it. but for all the people i know who've had abortions, that 385 was gathered up by any means possible

You quoted and responded to Kitty! British

Seriously, I'm outta here>:(

happygiggles
09-04-2008, 08:31 AM
Every pregnancy is preventable? Abortion is not medically necessary? I suggest you research your facts a bit closer.

Of the women getting abortions in America, half were using contraception at the time of conception. You are a sexually active adult who admits to using contraception, so therefore, you believe in sexually safer practices, not abstinence for the roughly 600,000 women whose contraception failed them. Other than abstinence, what other suggestions do you have for these women to absolutely prevent pregnancy?

No medical necessity? How about ectopic pregnancy, uterine cancer, anencephalic fetus, medical conditions of the mother in which the mother cannot live without certain medications, but the medications are guaranteed to have devastating effects on the fetus; and eclampsia to name just a few.

Actually, I'm 6 mos celibate. Before I had my child i was practicing safer sex and never got pregnant til i decided that i wanted to. I guess I was one of the lucky ones. but all the reasons you mentioned in the second paragraph ARE medically necessary and it's different from "oops i'm pregnant. I don't wanna have a baby right now"

Lysondra
09-04-2008, 08:32 AM
You also forgot that birth control isn't 100%.

jaizaine
09-04-2008, 08:32 AM
HG it's not up to you to decide the moral threshold for when a woman should be able to have an abortion.

jasmine
09-04-2008, 08:32 AM
Found a list of states that are incredibly easy to get a funded abortion:

Alaska, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Vermont, Washington, and West Virginia.

Also another list of states with some restrictions, however these are also supposedly easy:
Indiana, Iowa, Mississippi, Utah, Virginia, and Wisconsin.

Another article stated that there were only 17 states that made getting an abortion under Medicaid particularly diffficult, sorry, it was a Kaiser study and didn't list those states however.

boxingdoc
09-04-2008, 08:33 AM
It may not be cosmetic but it's not medically necessary

Your words. You seem to be changing your tune.

keira0304
09-04-2008, 08:33 AM
Just wanted to add that......when it comes down to it the money doesn't mean shit. It is a huge decision that is very difficult to make, and once you've made the decision- the money doesn't matter. I paid a little over 700 dollars to go to a private clinic and it was worth every penny- when I paid for it I didn't feel any pressure about the money, it was all about the decision and my life.

That's what we should be focusing on, the quality of women's lives and their right to choose how they want to live them- not what government program pays for abortions. If they can't afford an abortion, they can't afford a baby, so in the end taxes are paying for "irresponsibility" either way... whether it's medicare/aid for the abortion or WIC, section 8, etc for the mother who can't afford her choice to keep a pregnancy.

jaizaine
09-04-2008, 08:34 AM
Found a list of states that are incredibly easy to get a funded abortion:

Alaska, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Vermont, Washington, and West Virginia.

Also another list of states with some restrictions, however these are also supposedly easy:
Indiana, Iowa, Mississippi, Utah, Virginia, and Wisconsin.

Another article stated that there were only 17 states that made getting an abortion under Medicaid particularly diffficult, sorry, it was a Kaiser study and didn't list those states however.

I wonder if the OP in the ladies only thread is from any of those areas. She asked anyone who could help her to PM her. Maybe she doesn't know what services are available?

TigersMilk
09-04-2008, 08:36 AM
YAY!!! FREE abortions for EVERYONE!

I'm sorry.. I just felt that this is where this thread was heading.

LMAO! Yay going to get knocked up at the first guy I see then heading down to the abortion clinic for my free abortion, sticker and a cookie! :D::)

This thread is good morning lolz. I'm dying laughing over here.

happygiggles
09-04-2008, 08:37 AM
HG it's not up to you to decide the moral threshold for when a woman should be able to have an abortion.

i didn't say abortions should not be offered to women who want one. you can have one whenever you like but i personally do not wanna pay for it. and yes i do get tired of the money that's been coming out of my check since i was 16 to pay for all the section 8, food stamps, welfare etc...... but WIC ain't really that hard to get. i had a lil job when i got it, was staying with my mama who has a full time job and receives a child support check for me and my lil brother yet still qualified with all that income

jaizaine
09-04-2008, 08:40 AM
i didn't say abortions should not be offered to women who want one. you can have one whenever you like but i personally do not wanna pay for it. and yes i do get tired of the money that's been coming out of my check since i was 16 to pay for all the section 8, food stamps, welfare etc...... but WIC ain't really that hard to get. i had a lil job when i got it, was staying with my mama who has a full time job and receives a child support check for me and my lil brother yet still qualified with all that income

well that's life mate, so suck it up. You pay tax and the government chooses what they want to spend taxpayer dollars on. thankfully they offer assistance to people in need even tho according to you these people should not be offered assistance coz they didn't prevent their cosmetic pregnancies.

Lysondra
09-04-2008, 08:42 AM
well that's life mate, so suck it up. You pay tax and the government chooses what they want to spend taxpayer dollars on. thankfully they offer assistance to people in need even tho according to you these people should not be offered assistance coz they didn't prevent their cosmetic pregnancies.

:rotfl:

Does this baby make my ass look perky?

happygiggles
09-04-2008, 08:44 AM
well that's life mate, so suck it up. You pay tax and the government chooses what they want to spend taxpayer dollars on. thankfully they offer assistance to people in need even tho according to you these people should not be offered assistance coz they didn't prevent their cosmetic pregnancies.


the government should help people. that's what they are there for. but look at all the people out here just abusing the system with their 30 dollar rent and 15 million children yet doing hair on the porch getting money. it should be there, but regulated better. and i know in tennessee it's getting much better cuz they're serving all the dads with child support orders to pay the state back. my mama lost her job of 12 years when the warehouse closed down and was only getting child support and unemployment, yet she made "too much money" to get assistance

Lysondra
09-04-2008, 08:46 AM
^ You know... people would stop having 50million children on their porch if they could get access to abortion.

jaizaine
09-04-2008, 08:46 AM
^ You know... people would stop having 50million children on their porch if they could get access to abortion.

must be a big ol porch.;D

Lysondra
09-04-2008, 08:47 AM
i didn't say abortions should not be offered to women who want one. you can have one whenever you like but i personally do not wanna pay for it. and yes i do get tired of the money that's been coming out of my check since i was 16 to pay for all the section 8, food stamps, welfare etc...... but WIC ain't really that hard to get. i had a lil job when i got it, was staying with my mama who has a full time job and receives a child support check for me and my lil brother yet still qualified with all that income


the government should help people. that's what they are there for. but look at all the people out here just abusing the system with their 30 dollar rent and 15 million children yet doing hair on the porch getting money. it should be there, but regulated better. and i know in tennessee it's getting much better cuz they're serving all the dads with child support orders to pay the state back. my mama lost her job of 12 years when the warehouse closed down and was only getting child support and unemployment, yet she made "too much money" to get assistance

Which one is it?

happygiggles
09-04-2008, 08:48 AM
^ You know... people would stop having 50million children on their porch if they could get access to abortion.

doubt it. most of these people have these children just so they can play the system. i've seen girls with 2 day old babies down at the stamp office to get every available assistance they can get. even affecting the men too. i heard a guy say once, "i want me a bitch with some section 8." These women who had these babies had em cuz they wanted to

happygiggles
09-04-2008, 08:49 AM
Which one is it?

she lost her job back in 05. i got wic in 08.

jaizaine
09-04-2008, 08:49 AM
the government should help people. that's what they are there for. but look at all the people out here just abusing the system with their 30 dollar rent and 15 million children yet doing hair on the porch getting money. it should be there, but regulated better. and i know in tennessee it's getting much better cuz they're serving all the dads with child support orders to pay the state back. my mama lost her job of 12 years when the warehouse closed down and was only getting child support and unemployment, yet she made "too much money" to get assistance

No system is perfect. But this is irrelevant. You are arguing that women who are too poor to pay for their own abortions should just remain pregnant because your tax dollars should not have to pay for abortions? What abotu your tax dollars paying to support children from poor families and families on assistance? That would far outweigh the cost of an abortion.

But I cannot have a logical argument with a person who says things such as


i would rather have a baby than herpes any day

CKXXX
09-04-2008, 08:51 AM
i didn't say abortions should not be offered to women who want one. you can have one whenever you like but i personally do not wanna pay for it. and yes i do get tired of the money that's been coming out of my check since i was 16 to pay for all the section 8, food stamps, welfare etc...... but WIC ain't really that hard to get. i had a lil job when i got it, was staying with my mama who has a full time job and receives a child support check for me and my lil brother yet still qualified with all that income

So its perfectly fine for me to pay for others kids with my tax dollars(apparently since I paid for yours) for 18 years at a time or more...but not ok for my tax dollars to go towards someone being responsible enough to realize that they dont have the means or health to raise a child.

And those taxes they'll take out of your warehouse check aint the end kiddo....you still have to file. Same as you have to file the money you made dancing.

This is the more ignorant and insane thread I've seen on here in a LOOONNGG time..and thats sayin' something. I cant believe it hasnt been closed.

happygiggles
09-04-2008, 08:52 AM
for women who can't afford to take care of babies, adoption is always an option.....however, that's like the most horrible thing in the world right? to place a child up for adoption.

Lysondra
09-04-2008, 08:53 AM
I think the mods are enjoying it too much to close it!

Lysondra
09-04-2008, 08:53 AM
for women who can't afford to take care of babies, adoption is always an option.....however, that's like the most horrible thing in the world right? to place a child up for adoption.

So abortion is the worst. Adoption is the worst. AND having a kid or two is the worst?

Man are you EVER happy?

happygiggles
09-04-2008, 08:54 AM
So its perfectly fine for me to pay for others kids with my tax dollars(apparently since I paid for yours) for 18 years at a time or more...but not ok for my tax dollars to go towards someone being responsible enough to realize that they dont have the means or health to raise a child.

And those taxes they'll take out of your warehouse check aint the end kiddo....you still have to file. Same as you have to file the money you made dancing.

This is the more ignorant and insane thread I've seen on here in a LOOONNGG time..and thats sayin' something. I cant believe it hasnt been closed.

filing the money i've made dancing won't be a problem as i have yet to make 1000 total. and i will file my taxes and will receive some back. and the only service i've made use of is WIC. but if that wasn't available you better believe i'd do anything and everything to get what my daughter needed just as i have been doing for the past six months

TigersMilk
09-04-2008, 08:54 AM
Well no one is attacking each other with outright insults...yet. Comedy gold here. Only on SW.

jaizaine
09-04-2008, 08:55 AM
This thread is like the mad hatters tea party

"change cup, change up, move down, move down"

and

"a very happy unbirthday to you, to you"

happygiggles
09-04-2008, 08:55 AM
So abortion is the worst. Adoption is the worst. AND having a kid or two is the worst?

Man are you EVER happy?

you didn't see the sarcasm in that? but i guess it's the typing.

Paris
09-04-2008, 09:01 AM
i didn't say abortions should not be offered to women who want one. you can have one whenever you like but i personally do not wanna pay for it. and yes i do get tired of the money that's been coming out of my check since i was 16 to pay for all the section 8, food stamps, welfare etc...... but WIC ain't really that hard to get. i had a lil job when i got it, was staying with my mama who has a full time job and receives a child support check for me and my lil brother yet still qualified with all that income

Um, you are looking at this in kind of a strange way. The United States spent $174 billion on welfare in 2006. The cost of the Iraq war alone (not counting other counter terrorism programs or the Afghan war) is about to top $3 trillion. $3,000,000,000,000! Yes, twelve zeros! And there is no return on investment in Iraq.

That money is gone, never to be seen again. At least with welfare, as small as the individual amounts are, it is spent at home. Hopefully, the children that are being fed and housed by the welfare program will one day grow up and be a contributing member of society. And many do move out of poverty.

The money spent on the war in Iraq is never coming back. As a matter of fact, the war has made it so that the US MUST invest in the military due to massive equipment and personnel losses.

I guess I just wanted you to think about that the next time you look at your taxes and get mad at government waste.

Lysondra
09-04-2008, 09:02 AM
Damn, imagine how many boob jobs the war in Iraq could've paid for!!

jaizaine
09-04-2008, 09:03 AM
Damn, imagine how many boob jobs the war in Iraq could've paid for!!

This is quote worthy!!

kitana
09-04-2008, 09:04 AM
For me to have to pay for someone else's mistake? I highly doubt that. It's bad enough that I'm paying for my 22 year old cousin and all four of her children(welfare, section 8, food stamps). Gosh, if you don't want a child, there are ways to prevent it from happening.

Don't you get TennCare (state medical assistance)?

Quite hypocritical you talk smack about paying for your 22yr old cousin, when you receive aid as well.

happygiggles
09-04-2008, 09:05 AM
Um, you are looking at this in kind of a strange way. The United States spent $174 billion on welfare in 2006. The cost of the Iraq war alone (not counting other counter terrorism programs or the Afghan war) is about to top $3 trillion. $3,000,000,000,000! Yes, twelve zeros! And there is no return on investment in Iraq.

That money is gone, never to be seen again. At least with welfare, as small as the individual amounts are, it is spent at home. Hopefully, the children that are being fed and housed by the welfare program will one day grow up and be a contributing member of society. And many do move out of poverty.

The money spent on the war in Iraq is never coming back. As a matter of fact, the war has made it so that the US MUST invest in the military due to massive equipment and personnel losses.

I guess I just wanted you to think about that the next time you look at your taxes and get mad at government waste.


yup. war money is a waste too.

happygiggles
09-04-2008, 09:07 AM
Don't you get TennCare (state medical assistance)?

Quite hypocritical you talk smack about paying for your 22yr old cousin, when you receive aid as well.

i don't receive tenncare while heather does. And that's only til the child support order goes through and she will be on his insurance plan. but the point about my 22 year old cousin is that she knew she couldn't afford a baby so why have 3 more? more children equal more stamps.

kitana
09-04-2008, 09:07 AM
It may not be cosmetic but it's not medically necessary

Yes, in SOME cases it is.>:(

If I were to EVER get pregnant again, it would eventually kill me. I lost my baby boy 7yrs ago and died twice on the table. I got my tubes tied and hubby got snipped as well.

But if anything ever happened, due to all the scar tissue (along with other medical issues I have....) I would die trying to keep the pregnancy. So abortion WOULD be a medical necessity for me. At least that is what my OB/GYN says and I kinda tend to listen to him.

pookie
09-04-2008, 09:08 AM
:rotfl:

Does this baby make my ass look perky?

no but i acne clears up during pregnancy

boxingdoc
09-04-2008, 09:08 AM
I'm still waiting for the OP to address how abortions are never medically necessary.
I also don't understand if you are opposed to financing abortion for moral or financial reasons. If it's for moral reasons, whatever, that's your right and why you live in America. If you don't like your tax dollars paying for it, lobby your government representatives.
If it is for financial reasons, here is a break down of costs:

Normal pregnancy with vaginal delivery, no complications, no neonatal complications: $6800-10,600
If you choose to not give your baby for adoption, it will cost at least $136,000 to raise that child to the age of 18.
Average abortion at 10 weeks: $468

kitana
09-04-2008, 09:09 AM
if you don't wanna have a baby, PREVENT it


Let's see, fight back when I am raped and be killed leaving my husband and children w/o a wife and mother, or lay there, accidentally get knocked up; take the pill it doesn't work and have a baby........HMMMMMMMM.....

happygiggles
09-04-2008, 09:10 AM
there are some cases where it is medically necessary just as i said but "oops i'm pregnant and i don't want a baby" is not medically necessary

sassysummer
09-04-2008, 09:12 AM
i personally would'nt have an abortion (with the except in the case of medical complications) ...HOWEVER, it is not MY right to say someone can't. i am fully pro-choice

i would much rather pay for an abortion for someone rather than pay for that child for the next 18 yrs because the mother/father can't afford it. not to mention any other issues the child "could" have because of a possible unstable environment...be it physically or emotionally


a few hundred dollars one time (or even a few times) vs. THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of dollars over several years????

i'll take the first

boxingdoc
09-04-2008, 09:12 AM
there are some cases where it is medically necessary just as i said but "oops i'm pregnant and i don't want a baby" is not medically necessary

"oops I'm pregnant" was not part of your original post here.

Lysondra
09-04-2008, 09:12 AM
Someone stupid enough to accidentally get pregnant while not on birth control is also too stupid to be raising children... thus... back to my statement:

FREE ABORTIONS FOR EVERYONE!!!

jaizaine
09-04-2008, 09:13 AM
LMAO Lysondra. I love you!!! Im gonna rub my big silicon cosmetic tits in yer face.

happygiggles
09-04-2008, 09:13 AM
Let's see, fight back when I am raped and be killed leaving my husband and children w/o a wife and mother, or lay there, accidentally get knocked up; take the pill it doesn't work and have a baby........HMMMMMMMM.....

i guess people read what they wanna read. when there is sex between two consenting adults and no prevelant medical reason (tubal pregnancy or something of that nature) why a mother can't have a child, then it's unecessary. i didn't say women who are raped shouldn't have that option. or i'm not saying anyone should not have that option.

happygiggles
09-04-2008, 09:16 AM
"oops I'm pregnant" was not part of your original post here.

while it wasnt, the post which this is derived from while give you background info as to why i said it. i'm not saying each and every abortion is medically unecessary.

boxingdoc
09-04-2008, 09:18 AM
So which is it? No abortion is medically necessary or no abortion except for medical necessity? (And by the way, mental health is considered part of the medical health spectrum)