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sapphiregirl
09-14-2008, 12:30 PM
What if I said that I heard that bem is into bestiality? Should everybody believe me with no proof? Speaking of which, could you please prove to me that I'm wrong?



Exactly.....I could say Eric Stoner is a flaming homosexual in his free time because I saw him posting about the "gay grapevine".


.........I'm still trying to figure out what the "gay grapevine" is or how Stoner seems to be an expert on it....lol......hmmmmmm

bem401
09-14-2008, 04:02 PM
What if I said that I heard that bem is into bestiality? Should everybody believe me with no proof? Speaking of which, could you please prove to me that I'm wrong?

If someone else told you that and you had heard the same from a third party, i couldn't find much fault with you saying " I heard something like myself. If you fabricated itself out of sheer fantasy, you'd be wrong. i never had any intention of going down that roasd, but someone mentioned it, was called a liar for doing so, yet i had heard pretty reliable reports on it years ago.

And i did preface it with "I was told" without attesting to its veracity.

Eric Stoner
09-15-2008, 08:21 AM
What exactly makes these facts? It sounds more like second hand rumor and speculation to me.

Hmmm. There's legit food for thought here and I pronounce myself guilty of excessive hyperbole in labeling as" fact" what ought to have been more properly labeled " relaible reports" and "persistent rumors". I sentence myself to one hour of penance in the "Hyperbolic Chamber".

Number One- I didn't start any rumors about Hillary and I'm simply repeating what's out there about her and Bill. As for Bill's dalliance with Belinda Stronach, that has been widely reported in Canada and NOT just on the gossip pages. It was a major topic of conversation in my last three visits. That the American press has been giving him a pass is testament to regard for him and his wife among the media And a direct result of pressure that Bill and his friends have applied to kill several stories that jive with what I've posted. The L.A. Times being prominent among them. It's no secret they've been sitting on a story about him for over a year. Remember how long NBC sat on the Juanita Broderick story ? (About 3 years wasn't it ? ) and how long "60 Minutes" sat on the Katherine Willey story ?
As for Hillary, that was reported by Michael Musto in the Village Voice and elsewhere. While I certainly have a few gay friends who reported to me what is circulating in THEIR community about Hillary. I have my own sources with LE who socialize with current and former members of Bill & Hillary's Secret Service detail.
They've confirmed Bill's most recent peccadillos north of the border and Hillary's "girlfriend" which btw, as far as anyone really KNOWS for sure may very well be asexual as were most of Ed Koch's relationships. Likewise, Mr.Weiner's status is well known in the gay community BUT because he is not hostile and has been relatively supportive of gay rights, there's no reason to out him. He became somewhat of a running joke by repeating the "Meyerson Plan" that Ed Koch used in 1977 when he first ran for Mayor of New York. To deflect rumors that he was gay ( "Vote for Cuomo, not the Homo ") Koch's Campaign Manager, David Garth engineered a "romance" between him and Bess Meyerson. (This is all documented historical fact. Garth has publicly admitted that this is exactly what he did and why he did it.) The beard Weiner chose was Hillary's gal pal and by an amazing coincidence it gave both Weiner and Hillary cover as to whether they're gay. With Hillary it didn't matter. She easily won New York. With Weiner, it became irrelevant because his Mayoral prospects collapsed befolre they ever got started.

The ONLY reason ANY of this matters and the ONLY reason I posted it was to illustrate ONE reason out of several that Obama did not and would not EVER choose Hillary as a running mate. The "truth" of this stuff is NOT relevant just as the truth of many political rumors is usually of little consequence. It is the very existence of these rumors coupled with the Obama campaign's awareness that this stuff is out there that creates an obvious reluctance to revisit the "three ring circus" of the Clinton years.

kitana
09-17-2008, 04:06 AM
Yeah but you're still basing you argument on pure speculation as is everyone else. I choose to judge someone based on their actions and so far nothing has shown me that the Clintons have a devious plan to sabotage Obama. Again, what proof do you have of this notion? The Clintons may be "evil" but they are not stupid. They know what they have to do to keep their place in the party and they are not going to jeopardize that. And why couldn't she run after 8 years of Obama?

It's all speculation at this point, but yes I tend to agree with him. When it comes down to brass tacks; HUMANS will do what is best for THEM personally, not what could hurt them and benefit others (family not counting).

I know if I were them/her/him; I would be publically saying I support Obama, while on the sly making sure he didn't win so I would have a shot at it in a few years. That is human nature.

kitana
09-17-2008, 04:23 AM
Well, Hillary hit the campaign trail today to support Barack. ;D

You along with every other dancer here, knows that what is told to the public, is not always what actually happens.

There is "truth", then there is TRUTH.

Politicians are just as big if not bigger bullshitters and actors as we are.

Yeah we tell guys something, but it's stripper shit, and we say what benefits us best in the long run.

Same thing going on with the Clinton's IMO.

Melonie
09-19-2008, 03:15 PM
what do you make of today's latest 'end run' by Bill ...



if der Schlickmeister is praising Sarah Palin, what does that say about Joe Biden ?

of course the 'tin foil hat' crowd will tell you that Bill is probably laying the groundwork for a future 'exchange' program LOL !

sapphiregirl
09-19-2008, 03:26 PM
what do you make of today's latest 'end run' by Bill ...

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/18/president-clinton-calls-palin-effective-candidate/

if der Schlickmeister is praising Sarah Palin, what does that say about Joe Biden ?

of course the 'tin foil hat' crowd will tell you that Bill is probably laying the groundwork for a future 'exchange' program LOL !






I think it means Joe Biden will sit down with Hillary Clinton to make sure McCain is not elected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h1pLEqI3Pw

Eric Stoner
09-27-2008, 01:18 PM
Item- Bill Clinton goes on Letterman and doesn't mention Obama's name once.
Guess he was counting on Chris Rock to pick up the slack.

Item- Bill has gushed over Palin recently and had many a kind word for her.

Item- Bill has said that the Obama Campaign is sending him to Florida and other Southern States to "get out the Cracker vote".

He and Hillary really want Obama to win.

threlayer
09-27-2008, 02:14 PM
... If McCain packs it in, one would expect Palin to be a likely leading candidate. Furthermore, Palin will have stolen Hillary's thunder as a trailblazer.

I really had hopes for her at first. This is my opinion now--it didn't last long. The more exposure Palin gets, the more people will see her shallowness, wrong-thinking, and inexperience. She may be smart, but she talks stupid. Further, if McCain wins but doesn't survive, we will be in an even worse fix than we are now. That's the stuff nightmares are made of.

threlayer
09-27-2008, 02:25 PM
How could Hillary sabotage Obama and then expect to win a later election? Dems wold just forgive he and keep going? Hell no! We would be pissed and they would lose any power and prestige they have in the party. They're not stupid. They're going to go 100% for Barack so no one can say they were the reason he lost.

Fully Agreed. It would be the most serious mistake they could make not to support the Democratic ticket this year. If so, Hillary could never run for anything Democratic again. Nor could she turn the the Republican part of run as an Independent. What else is there? The Green party? Further, they would be heavily ostracised. They really have no choice anyway.

These speculations are just the pathetic playthings of the people who hate Clintons and want to further any doubts about them they can imagine. In short -- it's BS !!

bem401
09-28-2008, 08:59 AM
Fully Agreed. It would be the most serious mistake they could make not to support the Democratic ticket this year. If so, Hillary could never run for anything Democratic again. Nor could she turn the the Republican part of run as an Independent. What else is there? The Green party? Further, they would be heavily ostracised. They really have no choice anyway.

These speculations are just the pathetic playthings of the people who hate Clintons and want to further any doubts about them they can imagine. In short -- it's BS !!

They would never openly go aginst Obama but you have to believe they wouldn't exactly be devasted if he loses and might in fact secretly hope he does.

threlayer
09-28-2008, 08:30 PM
Well, that's pretty far into speculation and fantasy. I'm sure they support the Democratic Party. The past is over for them and everyone else, and they are both realists.

eagle2
09-28-2008, 09:07 PM
I really had hopes for her at first. This is my opinion now--it didn't last long. The more exposure Palin gets, the more people will see her shallowness, wrong-thinking, and inexperience. She may be smart, but she talks stupid. Further, if McCain wins but doesn't survive, we will be in an even worse fix than we are now. That's the stuff nightmares are made of.

I don't even think she's smart to begin with. It took her six years just to get a degree in journalism.

DB Cooper
09-29-2008, 07:47 AM
Well, that's pretty far into speculation and fantasy. I'm sure they support the Democratic Party. The past is over for them and everyone else, and they are both realists.

If Sen Clinton is a realist, why didn't she concede when it became clear she couldn't win the nomination? Why fight it until the end when clearly it could only cause a rift in the party and hurt Sen Obama in the general election?

Melonie
09-29-2008, 03:06 PM
^^^ arguably because hurting Senator Obama's chances in the 2008 general election is a necessary stepping stone to Hilary being the democratic presidential candidate in the 2012 election !

threlayer
09-29-2008, 08:52 PM
Well, she has a strong desire to win and thought she could pull off a coup at the convention. If it is detected that the Clintons pull off some sort of subtle subterfuge, they lost the supprt of their party. that is just too big a gamble.

I think maybe this rumor your espousing is a Republican ploy.