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kitana
09-08-2008, 12:16 AM
and that my friends says it all. That outfit cost more than most American's homes. And most of us spend 15-30 years paying for those houses. And she will wear that dress, what maybe ONCE? Yeah, it's prety clear which one of these families is the elitist. Hint. It's not the Obama family that is for sure!

No offense, and please don't take it this way, but if she has the money, it would be MORE of a scandal if she didn't show it honestly.

She came from money, she will ALWAYS have money, she will die having money; but at least she goes out and helps people, not only with her money but with her own two hands. Which is a helluva lot more than I can say for the majority of the uber rich.

bem401
09-08-2008, 06:42 AM
No offense, and please don't take it this way, but if she has the money, it would be MORE of a scandal if she didn't show it honestly

True, if she "dressed down", the same people attacking her here would be attacking her for pretending to be "like us", so she can't win either way.

And it wasn't like the affair was primarily a fundraiser either and its not like she showed up on the gulf coast dressed like that to help out.

Eric Stoner
09-08-2008, 09:24 AM
Your hypocrisy is showing. Don't think for a minute that Teresa Heinz Kerry would have been given a free pass for that type of behavior.

Jackie Kennedy was idolized for public displays of "conspicuous consumption".

Bill Clinton's runway closing $100 haircut ?. How soon we forget.

Eric Stoner
09-08-2008, 09:28 AM
^^^As a matter of fact, yes I would, it would have shown her to be more in touch with ordinary americans. I think that you're missing the point anyways, why is okay to slap the elitist tag on a democrat but not a republican? How about we just start calling a spade a spade.

Who cares how much her outfit cost ? It didn't cost you a PENNY so wtf do you care ?

Eric Stoner
09-08-2008, 09:30 AM
I think I :heartbeat you, Richard.

Who the hell do you think comes up with the big bucks for things like hurricane relief ? Who do you think donates the bigger % of their income to charity ? It's usually Republicans and conservatives.

Richard_Head
09-08-2008, 09:42 AM
You're missing the point Stoner, it's the republicans who drone on and on about elistism, yet when Cindy McCain shows up with $300K in accessories not a note is said.

Richard_Head
09-08-2008, 09:42 AM
Who the hell do you think comes up with the big bucks for things like hurricane relief ? Who do you think donates the bigger % of their income to charity ? It's usually Republicans and conservatives.Probably because they are more likely to afford $300K in accessories.

Paris
09-08-2008, 09:43 AM
Who the hell do you think comes up with the big bucks for things like hurricane relief ? Who do you think donates the bigger % of their income to charity ? It's usually Republicans and conservatives.

How marvelous of them to shower their generosity upon the unwashed masses.

How about some decent schools, medical care, and good paying jobs!?!?! Maybe if we had more of the latter, the former would be unnecessary.

::)

Richard_Head
09-08-2008, 09:44 AM
Who cares how much her outfit cost ? It didn't cost you a PENNY so wtf do you care ?Why do republicans rail about about John Edwards haircut then? WTF does it matter to them?

Miss_Luscious
09-08-2008, 09:51 AM
How marvelous of them to shower their generosity upon the unwashed masses.

How about some decent schools, medical care, and good paying jobs!?!?! Maybe if we had more of the latter, the former would be unnecessary.

::)

Preach on! But no, the rich who can afford to give freely don't want to give if it comes out of their taxes. Even though that will help more people. I don't think they know that only a small portion of their donations actually go to the people the charities are helping. I've run a non profit, I know exactly how much it costs to run the organization vs how much actual money and/or help goes to the people. At least with taxes, there is a bigger pool of money and even the money that goes to administrative and other costs, more money goes to more people.

bem401
09-08-2008, 09:51 AM
Why do republicans rail about about John Edwards haircut then? WTF does it matter to them?

In reality, it was CANDIDATE John Edwards getting the overpriced haircut while claiming to be the a man of the people, while it was CANDIDATE'S WIFE Cindy McCain who wore an expensive outfit to a gala doubling as a fundraiser for hurrican victims who made no such claims. Either way, it doesn't really matter.

Zia_Abq
09-08-2008, 09:59 AM
No offense, and please don't take it this way, but if she has the money, it would be MORE of a scandal if she didn't show it honestly

Ok, I'll bite why would it be more of a scandal? No offense to you either but that makes no sense at all. It's not like I expect her to wear what I could afford to pay for an outfit or anything. However it's pretty shitty and hypocritical for them to claim that Obama is the elitist when they are wearing outfits that cost more than the houses that the majority of American spend most of their adult lives paying off. It’s twice as bad when they can’t even keep track of how many houses they own.

Also I don’t see how republicans can sit there and put down and make fun of people who go out to help within their local communities and then claim she is some kind of saint for helping people. Again with the hypocritical behavior. It’s fabulous when anyone does good works. Not just democrats or republicans. If the republicans want to insult the idea of community service done by liberals then don’t go around praising it when one of your own does it. Seriously what is more elitists than making fun of people who help those in need. And who is doing that in almost every speech these days. It's sure as hell isn't Democrats!

I have to say that one of if not the most infuriating thing about republicans is your willingness to be hypocrites about things. It’s so often that the two words are now practically identical in meaning ! I can deal with political differences but the sheer volume of hypocritical behavior done by conservatives just really works my last nerve.

Zia_Abq
09-08-2008, 10:07 AM
How marvelous of them to shower their generosity upon the unwashed masses.

How about some decent schools, medical care, and good paying jobs!?!?! Maybe if we had more of the latter, the former would be unnecessary.

::)

Exactly! And really I’d like to see some proof that republicans voters donate more to charity than Democrats voters. Sounds like a bunch of made up bullshit to me. Especially when two of the biggest donors around are firm liberals. Bill Gates and Oprah.

Miss_Luscious
09-08-2008, 10:13 AM
I'd also like to see if what they are giving to faith based organizations as opposed to secular.

TheSexKitten
09-08-2008, 10:19 AM
I have to say that one of if not the most infuriating thing about republicans is your willingness to be hypocrites about things. It’s so often that the two words are now practically identical in meaning ! I can deal with political differences but the sheer volume of hypocritical behavior done by conservatives just really works my last nerve.

I'd have to agree here. :yes:

cinammonkisses
09-08-2008, 10:22 AM
How marvelous of them to shower their generosity upon the unwashed masses.

How about some decent schools, medical care, and good paying jobs!?!?! Maybe if we had more of the latter, the former would be unnecessary.

::)

Oh no, its much easier to help the troubled poor by donating money: it's TAX DEDUCTIBLE!

cinammonkisses
09-08-2008, 10:23 AM
Also I don’t see how republicans can sit there and put down and make fun of people who go out to help within their local communities and then claim she is some kind of saint for helping people. Again with the hypocritical behavior. It’s fabulous when anyone does good works. Not just democrats or republicans. Preach on sister!

Richard_Head
09-08-2008, 10:31 AM
Oh no, its much easier to help the troubled poor by donating money: it's TAX DEDUCTIBLE!Plus, you don't have to deal with those damn community organizers.

Djoser
09-08-2008, 10:33 AM
I have to say that one of if not the most infuriating thing about republicans is your willingness to be hypocrites about things. It’s so often that the two words are now practically identical in meaning ! I can deal with political differences but the sheer volume of hypocritical behavior done by conservatives just really works my last nerve.

Like telling us to vote for people that would consider anyone posting here a degenerate scumbag.

'This candidate believes I am a pervert who should be locked up and have a permanent record as having committed a sex crime, but you are an idiot if you vote for his/her opponent.'

Thankfully, not all republicans are this bad, but the ones who support the religious right candidates are.

Zia_Abq
09-08-2008, 10:52 AM
Also before anyone goes there I’m going to spell it out. What does her outfit have to do with anything? I’ll explain.

There is a housing crisis going on in this country right now. Yes some people bought more than they could afford but many people were also conned. Plus there that the whole “Enron Loophole’ issue that was applied to the mortgage industry and was supported by the republicans. That has ALOT to do with things.

But even setting that aside for a moment, let’s just deal with how the loss of these homes has effected the entire economy. It is on that subject where her outfit and his comment about their homes comes into play.

McCain not knowing how many homes they have and Cindy wearing outfits that cost more than most of the homes being paid for or lost by the average American shows that that they have NO BLOODY CLUE about the reality of what is going on out here in the nation which they want to lead. And that my friends is a serious problem.

Hello_Kitty27
09-08-2008, 11:18 AM
Just because she can afford a dress and accessories that are more expensive than many homes in the US, some of which have been foreclosed, does not mean that John McCain doesn't know or understand the economic background of the housing woes, the weak dollar, etc. I honestly do not see the connection.

I have an aunt who think of Lord & Taylor as a trashy discount shop. She has most of her clothes made for her a boutiques downtown. She is very wealthy. But she's the smartest and savviest businesswoman I know. She holds multiple degrees in economics, business, finance....just because she doesn't live the plight of the poor people doesn't mean she doesn't "get it"......so I realize it's kinda off-topic, but I can't grasp how a wealthy person's outfit has anything to do with an election.

(ETA: FTR, I am not really a McCain supporter, nor do I think I'm voting for him this upcoming election)

bem401
09-08-2008, 11:21 AM
Also before anyone goes there I’m going to spell it out. What does her outfit have to do with anything? I’ll explain.

There is a housing crisis going on in this country right now. Yes some people bought more than they could afford but many people were also conned. Plus there that the whole “Enron Loophole’ issue that was applied to the mortgage industry and was supported by the republicans. That has ALOT to do with things.

But even setting that aside for a moment, let’s just deal with how the loss of these homes has effected the entire economy. It is on that subject where her outfit and his comment about their homes comes into play.

McCain not knowing how many homes they have and Cindy wearing outfits that cost more than most of the homes being paid for or lost by the average American shows that that they have NO BLOODY CLUE about the reality of what is going on out here in the nation which they want to lead. And that my friends is a serious problem.

If John McCain knew how many houses his wealthy wife and family owned and she wore a dress from TJMaxx, how would that help anyone involved in the housing crisis?

Hello_Kitty27
09-08-2008, 11:27 AM
If John McCain knew how many houses his wealthy wife and family owned and she wore a dress from TJMaxx, how would that help anyone involved in the housing crisis?

Perhaps she could sell off all her assets and single-handedly bail out Fannie and Freddie? Maybe she can swoop in and take them from the government and help everyone...

cinammonkisses
09-08-2008, 12:01 PM
Just because she can afford a dress and accessories that are more expensive than many homes in the US, some of which have been foreclosed, does not mean that John McCain doesn't know or understand the economic background of the housing woes, the weak dollar, etc. I honestly do not see the connection.

Actually John McCain has admitted to not understanding the economic crisis in this nation. Hell, he even said this was "all in your head" when it comes to a bad economy!

bem401
09-08-2008, 12:10 PM
Actually John McCain has admitted to not understanding the economic crisis in this nation. Hell, he even said this was "all in your head" when it comes to a bad economy!

He may have said he didn't understand the economic crisis ( I'd like to see that quote, though ), but what he said was "all in your head " was not the bad economy. It was the notion that we are in a recession, which we are not. I'm not arguing that the economy is healthy mind you, but there are conditions ( 2 quarters of negative growth ) that must be met to be in a recession. I believe the quote was something like " if you think we're in a recession, it's in your head" or something like that.

Hello_Kitty27
09-08-2008, 12:15 PM
Actually John McCain has admitted to not understanding the economic crisis in this nation. Hell, he even said this was "all in your head" when it comes to a bad economy!

When and where did he say this? I vaguely remember something along the lines of the "in your head" thing now that you mention it, but do you have any links you could provide?

To that I could also say that there are no economists in the world that have all the answers, especially in the situation we are in now. I personally feel it's worse than most people think. But, I'm a pessimist. Anyway, on every financial show I've watched and listened to, many respected economists give tons of different answers to the issues at hand. I'm not sure you could expect one person to have ALL the understanding and ALL answers, be it Obama, McCain or anyone. It's far too complex.

But I still don't think it boils down to the cost of an outfit or it you forget a house or two.


ETA: CK, After some googling, all I can find are various clips put together, soundbytes, if you will. I can't seem to find a solid article about it...please let me know if you have one. I'm curious.

Richard_Head
09-08-2008, 12:31 PM
When and where did he say this? I vaguely remember something along the lines of the "in your head" thing now that you mention it, but do you have any links you could provide?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVVIw7oZEyk

sapphiregirl
09-08-2008, 12:40 PM
Plus, you don't have to deal with those damn community organizers.



LOL!!!!!!


I am so ready for her to be called out on the statement in an interview or even better.....in a debate with Biden ;D

bem401
09-08-2008, 12:45 PM
Plus, you don't have to deal with those damn community organizers.

Can someone please tell me exactly what a "community organizer" does?

I know some guys who are union organizers, but that's just a euphemism for... oh well, never mind.

cinammonkisses
09-08-2008, 12:47 PM
When and where did he say this? I vaguely remember something along the lines of the "in your head" thing now that you mention it, but do you have any links you could provide?

To that I could also say that there are no economists in the world that have all the answers, especially in the situation we are in now. I personally feel it's worse than most people think. But, I'm a pessimist. Anyway, on every financial show I've watched and listened to, many respected economists give tons of different answers to the issues at hand. I'm not sure you could expect one person to have ALL the understanding and ALL answers, be it Obama, McCain or anyone. It's far too complex.

But I still don't think it boils down to the cost of an outfit or it you forget a house or two.


ETA: CK, After some googling, all I can find are various clips put together, soundbytes, if you will. I can't seem to find a solid article about it...please let me know if you have one. I'm curious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P6bkbdAkFg&feature=related

This is about as good as I found it. I originally watched his speech on TV when he first mentioned that it was all psychological.

Sophia_Starina
09-08-2008, 12:54 PM
First, John McCain doesn't know how many houses he has, now we find out Cindy McCain's outfit on Monday night cost $313,100 (http://www.twincities.com/ci_10390513?source=most_viewed). I'm sure it won't stop them from continuing to use the elitist label on Obama though.

(http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=166&i=cindymccaincf1.jpg)


Serioulsy.... when was the last time we had a presidential candidate that wasn't filthy stinking rich. Even wives are often loaded with cashola.Theresa Kerry, anyone?

Sadly, it's how politics "works".

Who are we to judge what people spend their own money on.... and how does her dress relate to Obama anyway? /:O

cinammonkisses
09-08-2008, 01:00 PM
Who are we to judge what people spend their own money on.... and how does her dress relate to Obama anyway? /:O
Because the republicans/john mccain like to paint Obama as an elitist. That's why everyone is so up in arms about McCain not knowing how many houses he owns, or the expensive ass dress that his wife wore to him nomination.

Sophia_Starina
09-08-2008, 01:05 PM
Because the republicans/john mccain like to paint Obama as an elitist. That's why everyone is so up in arms about McCain not knowing how many houses he owns, or the expensive ass dress that his wife wore to him nomination.

I think they are both elitists.... as was every candidate (on both sides) so far.

So yes, Obama and his icy wife are elitists. McCain and Co. are elitists as well.

cinammonkisses
09-08-2008, 01:06 PM
I think they are both elitists.... as was every candidate (on both sides) so far.

So yes, Obama and his icy wife are elitists. McCain and Co. are elitists as well.
How is Obama and his wife elitists? Hell, he just finished paying off his student loans.

Zia_Abq
09-08-2008, 01:08 PM
Just because she can afford a dress and accessories that are more expensive than many homes in the US, some of which have been foreclosed, does not mean that John McCain doesn't know or understand the economic background of the housing woes, the weak dollar, etc. I honestly do not see the connection.


It shows a complete and total lack of comprehension and/or empathy about what "We the people" are dealing with out here. Neither of those things are qualities that make for a good leader or first lady.

Also when someone is trying to make voters feel that they will be well represented, one does not rub it in the face of the average voter that they not only have so very much more than the rest of us but do it with such delight.

Someone trying to win over voters tries instead to show that they can relate to everyday problems- not the opposite. The fact that the McCain’s either do not realize this or more likely do not care does not show good judgment. Again not something that makes for good leadership.

bem401
09-08-2008, 01:10 PM
How is Obama and his wife elitists? Hell, he just finished paying off his student loans.

because he was rubbing elbows with a bunch of big donors in SF and seemed to either looking down upon or poking fun at those pennsylvanians who cling to guns and religion ( thus inferring they are less enlightened)

cinammonkisses
09-08-2008, 01:13 PM
because he was rubbing elbows with a punch of big donors in SF and seemed to either looking down upon or poking fun at those pennsylvanians who cling to guns and religion ( thus inferring they are less enlightened)
He wasnt' poking fun. IMO he spoke the truth. I live in Ohio, and yes when times and things get hard, many mid-westerners do exactly what he said. Now, maybe he didn't word it the way many would have liked...but I still don't view him as elitist.

bem401
09-08-2008, 01:22 PM
He wasnt' poking fun. IMO he spoke the truth. I live in Ohio, and yes when times and things get hard, many mid-westerners do exactly what he said. Now, maybe he didn't word it the way many would have liked...but I still don't view him as elitist.

I'm not all hung up on the elitist tag either, but you can bet the people he was referring to might be. That's why such a big deal was being made of it. he was potentially alienating the very voters he needed.

Richard_Head
09-08-2008, 01:33 PM
I'm not all hung up on the elitist tag either, but you can bet the people he was referring to might be. That's why such a big deal was being made of it. he was potentially alienating the very voters he needed.Just as those small town voters may feel alienated by Cindy McCain and her $300k outfit and 7 homes?

Eric Stoner
09-08-2008, 01:45 PM
You're missing the point Stoner, it's the republicans who drone on and on about elistism, yet when Cindy McCain shows up with $300K in accessories not a note is said.

Probably because it's her money and they don't care how she spends HER money.

The "elitism" many Republicans and conservatives complain about is media elitism
whereby "small town" folks are belittled.

Eric Stoner
09-08-2008, 01:49 PM
Probably because they are more likely to afford $300K in accessories.

Wrong again Richard. Most of the "super-rich" are Dems. Look at Obama's donor list and compare it to McCain's. More millionaires contributing to Obama and the DNC. It was even more stark and striking when you looked at Hillary's contributors. What keeps Hillary from dressing like Cindy is that she lacks any fashion sense. Witness those lovely pantsuits.

Eric Stoner
09-08-2008, 01:51 PM
Bwahahahahaha! Grasping at straws much?

Two words re; McCain....Keating Five.

Let's keep our facts straight. McCain was cleared of any wrongdoing unlike the other four like DeConcini.

Likewise, Obama's deal with Rezko was fully vetted and violated no laws.

Eric Stoner
09-08-2008, 01:54 PM
^^^As a matter of fact, yes I would, it would have shown her to be more in touch with ordinary americans. I think that you're missing the point anyways, why is okay to slap the elitist tag on a democrat but not a republican? How about we just start calling a spade a spade.

I think BOTH parties and their politicians have lost touch with "ordinary Americans". I don't think Cindy's choices in jewelry have any effect whatsoever on her or her husband's ability to connect.

sapphiregirl
09-08-2008, 01:55 PM
Wrong again Richard. Most of the "super-rich" are Dems. Look at Obama's donor list and compare it to McCain's. More millionaires contributing to Obama and the DNC. It was even more stark and striking when you looked at Hillary's contributors. What keeps Hillary from dressing like Cindy is that she lacks any fashion sense. Witness those lovely pantsuits.



Maybe the "super rich" republicans just don't donate.

Maybe the 'super rich" democrats are just more generous people.


Hillary looks fine in pants suits.....good grief.

Richard_Head
09-08-2008, 02:05 PM
Wrong again Richard. Most of the "super-rich" are Dems. Look at Obama's donor list and compare it to McCain's. More millionaires contributing to Obama and the DNC. It was even more stark and striking when you looked at Hillary's contributors. Sorry, I haven't seen a list of the donors, can you provide a link?

Richard_Head
09-08-2008, 02:09 PM
Probably because it's her money and they don't care how she spends HER money.But they do care how John Edwards spends HIS money?

Richard_Head
09-08-2008, 02:11 PM
The "elitism" many Republicans and conservatives complain about is media elitism
whereby "small town" folks are belittled.You mean like flaunting $300K worth of accessories?

TheSexKitten
09-08-2008, 02:16 PM
Hillary looks fine in pants suits.....good grief.

hahaha yeah! What should she be wearing to political events? An Oscar de la Renta dress?

sapphiregirl
09-08-2008, 02:23 PM
hahaha yeah! What should she be wearing to political events? An Oscar de la Renta dress?




I know...she is obviously in situations with cameras where she has to constantly stand up, sit down, be on stages giving speeches- where she may be above the crowd, fly.....etc, etc....I would wear pants suits too.

Eric Stoner
09-08-2008, 02:29 PM
hahaha yeah! What should she be wearing to political events? An Oscar de la Renta dress?

There is so much room for improvement with Hillary's wardrobe.