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CG
09-09-2008, 02:55 PM
Dicks don't just mysteriously find themselves in people's assholes.


LMFAO!!!!!!!

:laughing:

lemmiwinks31
09-09-2008, 03:24 PM
No one I know wants to be raped in the ass by a washed-up stripper, in front of 30 other people.

At least not without a few drinks first.

Lysondra
09-09-2008, 06:05 PM
It's amazing what a few drinks'll do to make your asshole suddenly accepting.

ellebelle
09-09-2008, 06:41 PM
^^ That's what I tell my bf moments before I throw up on him/pass out. IT may be a small window of opportunity, butt (tee hee) it's there.

Budai
09-09-2008, 11:13 PM
"Linda Naggs, 39, of Rosebud, is accused of sexually penetrating the man with a dildo..."

She's an anal violator from "Rosebud"? (slang for "anus")

You couldn't make up stuff like that... :rotfl:

wild slash
09-10-2008, 01:42 AM
the stripper tells her side of the story

oops i slipped ,lol

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24320615-5001021,00.html

jaizaine
09-10-2008, 02:38 AM
I highly doubt this man would go thru telling police that a stripper raped him with a strap on and then be willing to go thru testifying to that effect in a trial if there wasn't some truth to it.

I tend to believe her story but I think the guy still feels very violated by it even if it was an accident on her part.

Polekitten
09-10-2008, 04:20 AM
his story doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make sense from either side. On one hand I can't see an unlubed dildo being able to just slide into someones anus by accident, whether they were pushing backwards or not.

On the other hand, if she was trying to rape him and push it in, I doubt he would just sit there and take it, surely he could have easily overpowered her and just stood up and walked away.

This ones a tough one, I don't know who to believe.

Luke34
09-10-2008, 04:36 AM
The guy has nothing to gain by making up a story. I fail to see what motive he could possibly have. As for the drugs, its a pretty standard way to discredit a witness.

IMO, I think the court will have try to establish two things.
1. was there consent and
2. was there insertion.
If the answer is no on 1 and yes on two she will probably get convicted.

The rest is irrelevant for the following reasons. If a man rapes a prostitute, it is not shoplifting. ie. his character has very little bearing on the case or should not have any bearing on the outcome.

The oops I slipped excuse should not hold. If it held, I am sure many a customer would claim that as an excuse during a dance.

I tend to go with the guys story only because I cannot fathom any motive he could possibly have to lie.

jaizaine
09-10-2008, 05:19 AM
Victorian Rape Law Provisions -

Crimes Act 1958 (vic)

s 38. Rape

38(1) A person must not commit rape.
Penalty: Level 2 imprisonment (25 years maximum)

(2) A person commits rape if -
(a) he or she intentiomally sexually penetrates another person without that person's consent while being aware that the person is not consenting or might not be consenting; or

(b) after sexual penetration he or she does not withdraw from a person who is not consenting on becoming aware that the person is not consenting or might not be consenting

s 36. Definitions for rape

"sexual penetration" means -
(a) the introduction (to any extent) by a perosn of his penis into the vagina, anus or mouth of another person, whether or not there is emission of semen; or
(b) the introduction (to any extent) by a person of an object or a part of his or her body (other than the penis) into the vagina or anus of another person, other than in the course of a procedure carried out in good faith for medical or hygenic purposes

s 36. Meaning of consent

Consent means free agreement. Circumstances in which a person does not freely agree to an act include the following -

(a) the person submits because of force or the fear of force to that person or someone else;

(b) the person submits because of the fear of harm of any type to that person or someone else;

(c) the person submits because she or he is unlawfully detained;

(d) the person is asleep, unconscious, or so affected by alcohol or another drug as to be incapable of freely agreeing;

(e) the person is incapable of understanding the sexual nature of the act;

(f) the person is mistaken abotu the sexual nature of the act or the identity of the person;

(g) the person mistakedly believes that the act is for medical or hygienic purposes.



37. Jury Directions on consent

(1) If relevant to the facts in issue in a proceeding the judge must direct the jury that -

(a) the fact that a person did not say or do anything to indicate free agreement to do a sexual act is normally enough to show that the act took place without that person's free agreement;

(b) a person is not to be regarded as having freely agreed to a sexual act just because -

(i) she or he did not protest or physically resist; or

(ii) she or he did not sustain physical injury; or

(iii) on that or an earlier occasion, she or he freely agreed to engage in another sexual act (whether or not of the same type) with that person, or a sexual act with another person;

(c) in considering the accused's alleged belief that the complainant was consenting to the sexual act, it must take into account whether that belief was reasonable in all the circumstances

threlayer
09-10-2008, 06:00 AM
I have ALWAYS hated those degrading, i.e., "a little fun humilation", bachelor (bucks) parties, but I'm a private person. And I've never heard of that technique. Seems that in this case physically removing her would be a justifiable solution since that is a very sensitive location.

Luke34
09-10-2008, 07:30 AM
I have not done criminal law Jai and realise that you must have a fairly strong educational or professional background to have compiled this.

I was raising the point that our system works on precedent set in past cases which is used to interpret the law above and IMO it would open up a whole new can of worms if it is established that she penetrated him against his consent and was let off.


(c) in considering the accused's alleged belief that the complainant was consenting to the sexual act, it must take into account whether that belief was reasonable in all the circumstances

I also think it would be unreasonable to assume that someone was consenting to be butt fucked in front of an audience of thirty by a stripper hired for a bucks night.

Polekitten
09-10-2008, 07:38 AM
The guy has nothing to gain by making up a story. I fail to see what motive he could possibly have. As for the drugs, its a pretty standard way to discredit a witness.

IMO, I think the court will have try to establish two things.
1. was there consent and
2. was there insertion.
If the answer is no on 1 and yes on two she will probably get convicted.

The rest is irrelevant for the following reasons. If a man rapes a prostitute, it is not shoplifting. ie. his character has very little bearing on the case or should not have any bearing on the outcome.

The oops I slipped excuse should not hold. If it held, I am sure many a customer would claim that as an excuse during a dance.

I tend to go with the guys story only because I cannot fathom any motive he could possibly have to lie.

Yeah, I was thinking this too, why would he lie about it? For a guy to admit he was raped in 5the first place, especially under these circumstances must take a huge amount of courage. Why would he put himself and his family and new wife through all this if it's not even true??

jaizaine
09-10-2008, 07:38 AM
Yeh I have a law degree with a particular interest in crim. I actually think it would be hard for the prosecution to prove it's case in this instance. It's actually very difficult to prove any rape case as the main element of the crime is a mental element - that of consent. With both parties arguing strongly in the opposite directions. Even straight forward rape cases are hard to prove.

However, as the Act specifies the perpetrator need only be reckless as to consent. Therefore the fact that she probably knew he was not consenting to the act of penetration should be enough to prove a rape occured. However, in saying this, because she is arguing that the whole thing was an accident - how it slipped into his ass, there is going to be a battle over whether she had the requisite intent.

It's a hard one. I think prosecution and defense will have quite a hard time.

However by no means is it the strangest rape case I have known.

The ones where the victim charges rape when they are mistaken as to the identity of the perpetrator are by far the strangest cases in case law. One particular case involved a man climbing thru a woman's window and starting to have sex with her, she believed it to be her boyfriend, but half way thru the act realised it wasn't. She screamed, he stopped. Then she had him charged with rape - mistaken as to identity. The law states that the victim is not consenting if they are mistaken as to the identity of the person who is having sex with them. This guy was convicted.

So stranger things have happened. Each case turns on the facts.

Luke34
09-10-2008, 07:55 AM
Yeh I have a law degree with a particular interest in crim.

Thought so Jai. ;)

I am sure there will now be a whole set of new rules and new forms to sign before you hire a bucks night stripper.

jaizaine
09-10-2008, 08:04 AM
Thought so Jai. ;)

I am sure there will now be a whole set of new rules and new forms to sign before you hire a bucks night stripper.

Hmmm informed consent form for the possibility of having a strap on forced up your ass. Oops I couldnt help myself then LMAO. I shouldn't joke, it's really not funny.
I've just always found strap ons rather humourous. It's taking penis envy to a whole new level that Im sure Freud never imagined.

Budai
09-10-2008, 08:08 AM
Hmmm informed consent form for the possibility of having a strap on forced up your ass.


How might one word this hypothetical "Dildo Waiver"? :-\

jaizaine
09-10-2008, 08:10 AM
How might one word this hypothetical "Dildo Waiver"? :-\

LMAO. Im not going there!!! ;D ;)

lemmiwinks31
09-10-2008, 10:11 AM
However, as the Act specifies the perpetrator need only be reckless as to consent. Therefore the fact that she probably knew he was not consenting to the act of penetration should be enough to prove a rape occured. However, in saying this, because she is arguing that the whole thing was an accident - how it slipped into his ass, there is going to be a battle over whether she had the requisite intent.



Isnt there some sort of implied consent here? The guy doesnt have pants on....he is on all 4's with an fully loaded strapon behind him...and for it to actually go in.....wouldnt he have to be open to the idea?....meaning...he wasnt just on all 4's....but probably would have had to have his back arched...maybe legs spread...how else would it get past the clinched ass cheeks of death?

moral of the story....never turn your back on a strapon....they cant be trusted.

BrodieLux
09-10-2008, 10:35 AM
Lmao if a guy in a lapdance goes 'is that it?' you should bend them over and go "Here's the special!" and rape them. :P

That is so fucked up it made me LOL in public

Flick6
09-10-2008, 04:42 PM
Isnt there some sort of implied consent here? The guy doesnt have pants on....he is on all 4's with an fully loaded strapon behind him...and for it to actually go in.....wouldnt he have to be open to the idea?....meaning...he wasnt just on all 4's....but probably would have had to have his back arched...maybe legs spread...how else would it get past the clinched ass cheeks of death?

moral of the story....never turn your back on a strapon....they cant be trusted.

Yeah and if a girl is in your bed kissing you then she is giving consent to be fcked even if she says dont put your cock inside me?? nooooo consent means saying 'yes you can do this'. Not being in a physical position where it is possible to ram it in.

Sophia_Ashley
09-10-2008, 04:55 PM
I'm calling "sour grapes" on this entire thing. Nothing makes sense and more so considering it's a strap on. With my limited experience with strap on's ...most are "flacid" like and not rock hard and easy to just ...get in there. Add in the fact you'd have to lube the fucker to get it in a vagina and or ass considering it's material ..plus if you SHOVE it in there he would have been incredibly in pain.

Unless of course he gets it up the ass on a regular. And I mean really regular.

I think he did it willingly and once everyone started talking shit and his ass began to bleed from it..he went ape shit.

This might be a case of "Well I thought it would be funny while I was high on meth" Then when I got sober I felt ashamed.

xdamage
09-10-2008, 05:55 PM
Isnt there some sort of implied consent here?

Doesn't work. When it comes to this we have to give people the right to say no even up the very last moment and even during an act to say stop, no more.

Now sure, it is stupid to put yourself in risky positions in life, whether it is walking down a dark alley at 2am, or taking your pants off and sticking your ass up in the air to a woman wearing a dildo, but stupidity aside, no means no.

GoldCoastGirl
09-10-2008, 06:10 PM
Yeh I have a law degree with a particular interest in crim. I actually think it would be hard for the prosecution to prove it's case in this instance. It's actually very difficult to prove any rape case as the main element of the crime is a mental element - that of consent. With both parties arguing strongly in the opposite directions. Even straight forward rape cases are hard to prove.

I know. When I was 18 I was put on a jury for a rape case locally (Gold Coast). In the end, the guy got a NOT GUILTY because he couldn't prove to us (the jury) WITHOUT A DOUBT that he was guilty.

Whilst most people think it did happen, there was some degree of hesitancy on all of our parts (all the jurors) to give him the GUILTY verdict because we all had that little nagging doubt.

She won't be convicted. She will get a NOT GUILTY when they go to court and if they get a jury. The jurors must be able to write down and believe she is GUILTY beyond any doubt... and I highly doubt that will happen.


(...have a look at this thread... it isn't a straight forward "guilty" verdict after a few news stories...)


Thus the reason why even some (not all) "normal" rape cases when they reach court are not black and white.

GoldCoastGirl
09-10-2008, 06:22 PM
ETA (after reading the "follow up" newspaper article... and she was found NOT GUILTY.. I knew it!!)


I don't know many "very conservative" men who would be AT the strip show let alone be a willing participant.

Then again, I don't see girls wearing strap ons in private party shows unless they were going to fuck each other (lesbian duo). Not many solo private party strippers will pull such a stunt (tho' I've only seen it done less than a handful of times in all the shows I've seen).

I still side with the stripper as I have seen:

But he pushed back on to her, knocked her over and then became very agitated, she said.

the 'victim' move quickly in a way that a stripper cannot predict entirely at all times.

mild2wild
09-10-2008, 07:05 PM
I agree Vanessa, sounds like a knee-jerk reaction where she was 'thrusting' him and he moved back... Most likely there was lotion or lube on the strap-on to make the notion more believable for the onlookers which assisted in the dildo going in....

I have seen it all before (as a driver of the girls) guys extremely drunk or high on drugs and try to take it all way too far. From an agency perspective I am including in my Terms and Conditions that if the function is considered to drunk or out of control when the girls arrive, they will leave immediately and will not perform. I r-iterate this over the phone to them to enforce that we take it seriously and girls have all said that the guys are well behaved when they arrive.

Reminds me of that function in Lovely Banks that Vanessa did where our tyres were let down... Lucky we did not do a show there it could of ended up nasty!!

On a funny note - I wonder if he showed the evidence in court??

wild slash
09-10-2008, 10:42 PM
i can see a book and a movie comming out of this,lol

jaizaine
09-11-2008, 03:47 AM
Isnt there some sort of implied consent here? The guy doesnt have pants on....he is on all 4's with an fully loaded strapon behind him...and for it to actually go in.....wouldnt he have to be open to the idea?....meaning...he wasnt just on all 4's....but probably would have had to have his back arched...maybe legs spread...how else would it get past the clinched ass cheeks of death?

moral of the story....never turn your back on a strapon....they cant be trusted.

There is NEVER implied consent in regards to rape.
CONSENT MEANS FREE AGREEMENT.

GoldCoastGirl
09-11-2008, 03:47 AM
Lovely Banks.... and more recently... Caboolture (Lysondra should remember that one..).... My driver and myself arrived half an hour early to find one member pissing ON the side of a bus, and the rest "stumbling" out of the bus. It was a huge party. I wasn't willing to risk it.

They were OBVIOUSLY drunk.

I'm never willing to stay at a party where the people are obviously intoxicated and/or high as I'm not willing to endanger myself for no amount of money.

Lysondra
09-11-2008, 04:01 AM
Wow you didn't mention the pissing thing to Jo. She was confused when you cancelled.

Edit: but they yelled at her drunkenly too so she knew you weren't kidding.

threlayer
09-11-2008, 12:39 PM
ETA (after reading the "follow up" newspaper article... and she was found NOT GUILTY.. I knew it!!)....

Interchange the sexes in this incident and I'm betting the verdict is very likely to be different.

TheSexKitten
09-11-2008, 03:09 PM
Interchange the sexes in this incident and I'm betting the verdict is very likely to be different.

That's what I was thinking. :-\

lemmiwinks31
09-11-2008, 03:26 PM
Interchange the sexes in this incident and I'm betting the verdict is very likely to be different.


Letter of the law aside.......Does anyone here feel sorry for this "very conservative" guy(who had his pants around his ankles...ass in the air, getting ridden by a naked chick with a strap-on in front of 30 cheering guys)

I have been to many bachelor parties of varying wildness....including my own. I have never wanted to have strap-on shoved up ass........that being the case....I have never gotten naked, down on all 4s...ass up in the air...in front of an entertainer weilding a strapon

xdamage
09-11-2008, 04:43 PM
Letter of the law aside.......Does anyone here feel sorry for this "very conservative" guy(who had his pants around his ankles...ass in the air, getting ridden by a naked chick with a strap-on in front of 30 cheering guys)

Mixed. From one POV yes, from another, it would be nice if people didn't put themselves in high risk positions to begin with. His first line of defense against being ass raped is using his brain. Pulling down his pants, bending over for it... his brain probably had some hints as to what could happen. So yes, wrong is wrong, but dumb is dumb too.

Flick6
09-11-2008, 04:58 PM
I feel sorry for anyone who has a big hard plastic thing shoved unexpectedly up their ass.

No matter how dumb they are, no one deserves that.

I have heard girls tell stories of guys who used that excuse too, they were fucking and he 'slipped and accidentally shoved it into her ass'. It didnt impress me as an excuse then, and it doesnt in this circumstance either. I would also respond with extreme violence if someone did it to me, with a dildo or a cock. Is a chick who is shagging a guy to have him ram his cock up her unready ass dumb for letting him near her naked and vulnerable? or do we as humans expect that being ass raped is an unlikely thing to happen in most circumstances?

I just dont get how this is funny. I doubt she is a evil bitch who did it on purpose, but no matter how drunk, dumb or obnoxious the dude was, how is it funny that he got raped? That is something I would only wish on a few highly evil people, and even then it wouldnt be funny!

GoldCoastGirl
09-11-2008, 05:21 PM
Interchange the sexes in this incident and I'm betting the verdict is very likely to be different.


You must have missed the post I made about me being involved on a jury for a rape case locally where the victim was female.......

The guy in that case was also found NOT GUILTY.

Go re read my post I made about it. It just isn't as black and white as you would think it would be ... some rape cases are.. a lot are not.

threlayer
09-11-2008, 06:21 PM
^^ I'm sure there are many gray areas. I can think of some but they'd be sure to offend someone here. No thanks.

I'll read your and may/may not comment.

jaizaine
09-11-2008, 09:12 PM
Letter of the law aside.......Does anyone here feel sorry for this "very conservative" guy(who had his pants around his ankles...ass in the air, getting ridden by a naked chick with a strap-on in front of 30 cheering guys)

I have been to many bachelor parties of varying wildness....including my own. I have never wanted to have strap-on shoved up ass........that being the case....I have never gotten naked, down on all 4s...ass up in the air...in front of an entertainer weilding a strapon

I feel sorry for him.
For the record when we have bachelor parties at my club I have seen guys been put in all sorts of situations that they are probably not comfortable with. There is alcohol involved and all the mates egging the situation on and sometimes they just go along with it. This doesn't mean they are inviting the entertainer to violate them.
I have seen a guy who was given an atomic wedgie - his jocks pulled over his head and torn in half. He told me his ass was bleeding. I think that dancer took it too far. The guy shouldn't get hurt during the show.

The same dancer also took a guys pants off and threw them over the balcony, so that this guy was standing butt as naked in our club and he ended up getting told off by security.

I've seen guys get covered in shaving cream to the point of being saturated, had hot wax poured over their chests and down their jocks which I am sure burnt their dick and balls.

I think a lot of the time the whole thing gets stupid and out of hand.

mild2wild
09-11-2008, 11:24 PM
I feel sorry for him.
For the record when we have bachelor parties at my club I have seen guys been put in all sorts of situations that they are probably not comfortable with. There is alcohol involved and all the mates egging the situation on and sometimes they just go along with it. This doesn't mean they are inviting the entertainer to violate them.
I have seen a guy who was given an atomic wedgie - his jocks pulled over his head and torn in half. He told me his ass was bleeding. I think that dancer took it too far. The guy shouldn't get hurt during the show.

The same dancer also took a guys pants off and threw them over the balcony, so that this guy was standing butt as naked in our club and he ended up getting told off by security.

I've seen guys get covered in shaving cream to the point of being saturated, had hot wax poured over their chests and down their jocks which I am sure burnt their dick and balls.

I think a lot of the time the whole thing gets stupid and out of hand.

Girls who do that sort of crap annoy the shit out of me! Seriously do not try to substitute your lack of entertaining ability for abusing the crap out of some guy and scaring the shit out of him for never trusting another stripper again.

When I do a show for a bucks night, I always whisper in the guys ear, please follow what I tell you and neither of us will get hurt, I promise I will not abuse or hurt you, I will ensure it is pleasurable for the both of us. Generally after saying that they listen, but I have seen bucks run backwards so fast they fall over because they are scared shitless of what some stripper is going to do to him... Really sad :'(

xdamage
09-12-2008, 05:26 AM
I feel sorry for him.
For the record when we have bachelor parties at my club I have seen guys been put in all sorts of situations that they are probably not comfortable with. There is alcohol involved and all the mates egging the situation on and sometimes they just go along with it. This doesn't mean they are inviting the entertainer to violate them.

This is a good point. People in group situations will often do things to appease the group that they wouldn't normally do.

p.s.. FWIW, I don't have moronic male friends to begin with, in part because I know that as a group guys will tend to egg each other on to do stupid things, take pointless risks, etc.