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Bella21
09-15-2008, 10:54 AM
The CDC estimates that more than half of American men have HPV.

There are many many strands of HPV out there and not all of them cause cancer or warts. Regardless, I'm still torn on this vaccine issue. I'm 25 so time to get it is running out for me to get it, but I've waited this long because I feel uneasy about shooting a new drug for an STD into my body. My friend had this strand from a while back. She went through a lot of painful procedures (according to her bf, she doesn't want to talk about it) but she's okay and can apparently have babies.

I would probably not give it to my hypothetical daughter right away. I'd wait and see if any new info on the vaccine cropped up.

AudreyLeigh
09-15-2008, 02:05 PM
They did say if I found out I was pregant about two weeks in I could go for an emergency 'sew up'. Pretty much SHUT THE HOLE SO SHIT DUN COME OUT. Mainly - baby.

cerclage

I have to have that done if I have another baby.

veronicachick
09-15-2008, 06:53 PM
I got the shot after my doctor suggested it... the only annoying thing is the fact that I had to go back 3 times because they give 3 doses of it... and since I have insurance it was free... so if your daughter is insured then Im sure the cost of the shot won't really be a problem.

winterrose
09-15-2008, 06:56 PM
I got the shot after my doctor suggested it... the only annoying thing is the fact that I had to go back 3 times because they give 3 doses of it... and since I have insurance it was free... so if your daughter is insured then Im sure the cost of the shot won't really be a problem.

no side effects?

how long ago did you get it?

PrettyCurlieQ
09-15-2008, 07:17 PM
I don't have kids at the moment, but I do plan on getting my children all the vaccines available that I can afford. Regardless of if the vaccine is for cancer or AIDS or herpes or asthma, I want know at the end of the day that I did all I could to keep them healthy. As far as the controversy about if it will make your kid have sex or be promiscuous. In all honesty, you're really running a 50/50 chance of that anyways, right? Raise your kids right, and they have to make their own decisions. Hopefully you did everything you could as a parent.

Yekhefah
09-15-2008, 07:27 PM
^^^ Funny you mention asthma, as they think the prevalence of asthma in kids nowadays is due in part to vaccines. If you want to prevent asthma in your child, better to live in a place with clean air and NOT get the vaccines!

PrettyCurlieQ
09-15-2008, 07:33 PM
^Oh well I was just listing off stuff! But I guess I'll just have to research and choose the lesser of two evils.

Crys
09-15-2008, 11:14 PM
I've had my second shot and no side effects. I'd let it be a choice for my kid if I had one. I think. I don't have a kid, so I don't know.

And I agree with Dottie. You don't have to be promiscuous to contract an STD, and it's a rather narrow minded thing to say that only teaching responsible sexual practices will prevent infection. Stuff happens.

VegasPrincess
09-16-2008, 01:24 AM
^^^

Exactly. I have HPV and I got it from a relationship I was in for about six months and we used condemns the whole time. I only know about the HPV because after we broke up, dude told me about him having it but I didn't think it was a big deal since we'd been safe. Well, a year later found out that wasn't the case. ANYWAY.

Just knowing the amount of emotional distress and physical hardship plus the fact that I have to go the gyno twice a year not to check for normal problems, but to check for the fact that my body isn't manufacturing cancer essentially.....I would take a reasonable amount of risk to prevent that from happening to my children. Not to be dramatic, but it is awful. It really prevents you from having a normal sex life....all sorts of things. (I mean by this that I would disclose this to somebody before I had sex with them, although my chances of transmitting the disease are low since I had my surgery....I've only been with two people since getting it, one my ex of five years (we were broken up during the time I got it and by the time I realized I had it, it was way too late. He knows now of course) and my current boyfriend who was accepting of it.

lazydaisy
09-16-2008, 07:15 AM
I am worried about the long term side effects of the vaccine and the fact that it's so new there are no long term studies. However, after talking to our doctor, the nurses at the health clinic and various other "people of reasonable knowledge" (lol) my daughter and I made the decision to start the vaccination process for her. I don't know if it will prove to be a bad decision in the future, but all I can do is make the best decisions for her health and safety NOW. That's all we've got. I encourage everyone to learn what you can and make your own decision.

I'm not a fan of completely eliminating all diseases (Just ask me how I feel about the Varicella vaccination and trouble it's causing me! :)) but this one made sense for us.

Ina
09-16-2008, 12:03 PM
That's true ^ you don't have to be promiscuous to get an std, you can be very careful & still get one but with that said & done, i did say that i would rather continue teaching my daughter about safe sex & routine paps.......... but it is also narrow minded to think that this vaccine is SAFE for everyone, you're right STUFF does happen, but what happens if my daughter ends up being one of unlucky ones who happens to get side affects or god forbid becomes paralyzed due to this vaccine? i just don't think it's right for everyone, all i am saying is if you do decide to give it to your daughters, do your homework beforehand. not all vaccines, good or bad are right for everyone.

veronicachick
09-16-2008, 03:44 PM
no side effects?

how long ago did you get it?

I got my last dose in Jan.... and so far no side effects. The area where they gave me the shot was a little sore but nothing unusual.

MixedBabe88
09-18-2008, 02:48 PM
I got the vaccine, I was fine.
Vaccines usually do more good than they do bad. I mean, yes most vaccines has detrimental effects, but almost all medications/vaccines do. Like I said, it's ultimately the choice of the parent's but it'll more than likely do more good than harm.

There are not many people who have poor side effects. My OB/GYN has a high volumes of clients and she said they have never had any negative side effects of the vaccine to date and highly recommended it. The woman is one of the best doctors I have ever been to, hands down.

MixedBabe88
09-18-2008, 02:52 PM
That's true ^ you don't have to be promiscuous to get an std, you can be very careful & still get one but with that said & done, i did say that i would rather continue teaching my daughter about safe sex & routine paps.......... but it is also narrow minded to think that this vaccine is SAFE for everyone, you're right STUFF does happen, but what happens if my daughter ends up being one of unlucky ones who happens to get side affects or god forbid becomes paralyzed due to this vaccine? i just don't think it's right for everyone, all i am saying is if you do decide to give it to your daughters, do your homework beforehand. not all vaccines, good or bad are right for everyone.

Talk to your own doctor and do your own research. No, you DO NOT have to be promiscuous to get an STD (you are soooo right). That is definitely a misconception that needs to be changed. HPV is like the common cold of STD's. I'm really surprised I haven't encountered it yet because it is so common.

Kyleigh1984
09-18-2008, 10:54 PM
I'm the type of person who wants to try everything new. I wanted to get it when it first came out, but I was underaged, and my mother wouldn't let me b/c of how new it was. I'm glad I didn't get it, b/c I'm afraid of the side effects. Lately, a lot of medications have given me horrible side effects.

kitana
09-19-2008, 03:03 PM
If I had gotten this vaccine as a child, I would not be sterile from when I was raped at 7 right now.

Food for thought.

But hun, you can't possibly know that for sure.

This has only been out for a few years, what if it causes cancer itself and renders women sterile?

I am so sorry you had to go through that BTW, that is something no child should ever have to deal with.

kitana
09-19-2008, 03:21 PM
I can get pregnant, but I can't carry. it's like insta-miscarriage.

Not true love, they can go in on the 2nd trimester and add a few stitches to the cervical area, and tighten things up and prevent a miscarriage, until birth.

I know that's true for some cervical surgeries, I dunno about all of them, ask your OB.

Lysondra
09-19-2008, 05:53 PM
Not true love, they can go in on the 2nd trimester and add a few stitches to the cervical area, and tighten things up and prevent a miscarriage, until birth.

I know that's true for some cervical surgeries, I dunno about all of them, ask your OB.

I got a 'you only have two weeks after you find out or so for us to put in stitches' speech.

AudreyLeigh
09-19-2008, 08:43 PM
I got a 'you only have two weeks after you find out or so for us to put in stitches' speech.

TWO WEEKS for cerclage? I have to have cerclage done too but not until the end of the first trimester as I have a weak cervix which will open with the weight of the baby (I was 3cm dialated at 11weeks). In the first trimester the baby doesnt weigh much so they arent worried about it. When you DO try to have a baby definately get some second and third opinions on that two week thing. At two weeks you arent even pregnant yet. Maybe two weeks from ovulation and not last menstration? But still, that seems too early as 1/5 pregnancies ends in miscarriage in the first 8 weeks (6weeks from conception). Im shocked theyd want to do it that early.

kitana
09-20-2008, 03:32 AM
I got a 'you only have two weeks after you find out or so for us to put in stitches' speech.

Damn love, that SUCKS!!! :'(

Well, look at this way, when the time comes when you are ready for a baby in your life, you can plan it; and be able to work around that, and have a happy, healthy pregnancy.

Until that day comes; kick back, have fun, and live life for you.;)

Katherine
09-21-2008, 03:45 PM
Pleas forgive me if some of this has been stated already, I only read the first page.

Sure this only protects against four of the hpv strains out of hundreds. But only six of those strains can cause cancer. So in reality you're protected from 4 out of 6 strains, not hundreds.

I happen to have tested positive totwo different strains of hpv. But neither ae bad ones. Many many people carry a strain of it and don't realize. As long as it's not one of the 6 baddies nothings gonna happen to you. The testing can't tell you exactly which strain you have either- the test tests 'batches' of strains.,

Anyway, I got this vaccine myself last year. First of three shots was in november '06. I got a slight fever and hedache for a day or two after that first shot. But nothing during the second and third. I did get a little bruising at the shot site each time, but that's not anything to do with this vaccine, I get that with every shot I ever get.

I feel fine and I'm happy I got it. I wouldn't tell others to go get it since this is a newer vaccine with no long term rsearch, so therefore deciding your own risk level is important.

Nautilus
09-21-2008, 05:17 PM
there were 2 cases of asthma out of 21,464 women in the trial.

there is some mention of arthritis and juvenile arthritis occurring in 1 or 2 people.

they're not sure how long the protection lasts - it looks like 'at least' 3 years... but they don't know yet...

still doesn't protect you from multiple other hpv strains.

the shot does contain aluminum.

there is a gardasil site put up by Merck that has very detailed information if you want it.

goodkittie396
09-25-2008, 09:03 PM
I am against this vaccine in every way shape and form. First of all, vaccines mess with your autoimmune system and may be linked to autism. In my generation, I got 5 or 6 vaccines and today's kids are recieving 50+ (titered). The problem with the vaccine is that it only prevents 70% of 4 out of 7 types of HPV. Women already take birth control which is linked to breast cancer (anecdotally). The vaccine would work on males too, which would make more sense because women already have their fare share of health problems to deal with. Personally, I believe this whole thing is a money making scam and it upsets me that it is not given to males. Down the road, I think it will cause more harm than good. Our bodies are very sensitive, and it's just an extra bunch of chemcials and perservatives that we can and have been living without. BTW, breast cancer is more common than cervical cancer yet no research is being done about the effects of birth control, which involves hormones that MAY cause more serious cancer. None of this is proven, but I don't trust medicine at all escpeceilly given the high cost of it, it doesn't seem like it was created for the greater good of womankind.

VegasPrincess
09-25-2008, 09:06 PM
^^^

just to correct that post, there are FOUR types of HPV that cause cervical cancer, not seven.

There are 2 types of HPV that cause warts.

Nautilus
09-25-2008, 09:40 PM
I am against this vaccine in every way shape and form. First of all, vaccines mess with your autoimmune system and may be linked to autism. Please read more than militant anti-vax sites before you make unsubstantiated claims like this.

there is ONE vaccine that has possible, yet unproven, links with autism and that is MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) -- because in one family, the kid with autism had vaccine-strain measles in his spinal fluid.

parents latch on to the nearest thing that happened when a kid shows signs of a spectrum disorder. nearest thing at the usual diagnostic age? MMR.

my advice to everyone is read "The Vaccine Book" by Dr Sears, which, as far as I can see, is the only unbiased, detailed and researched book that covers all of this.

Gardasil has nothing to do with autism. Also, if you think the vax messes with your autoimmune system, what do you think HPV does?????:O

Ina
09-26-2008, 10:35 AM
^^ i completely agree with you on this, i think it's really irresponsible to make statements like this especially when they are not true. Not only that but there are alot of ignorant people out there who think that because 1 vaccine is somehow linked to something, that all vaccines are bad & that is just not the case.

I have the vaccine book by dr.sears, And i agree that it is unbiased, you know this is just another one of those things where you have to do the research & see if it's right for you.

goodkittie396
09-28-2008, 08:08 PM
I don't think it is ignorant to read a study and make an opinion based off of it. There's books about how vaccines may be linked to autism and there are other ones that disprove those books. (And then they produce more books to counteract those books...) Also, many parents believe in the theory that it does cause autism, and why shouldn't a whole slew of chemicals and viruses disrupt some sort of mechanism in the brain? Jenny McCarthy's book stirred my interest in this whole controvresy. Sigh, nothing can be proved.

I don't see where everyone gets off on thinking that they are right, escpecielly since many people in the medical field have no real basis for their opinions. Medical providers do not recieve any sort of training in any of the issues that were discussed here. I'm a nurse and throughout my labor and delivery rotation I heard all sorts of 'educated' doctors and nurses talk smack about the patients that refused to get any vaccines for their babies, when in reality those parents have done years of research to make their decision whereas the other nurses just parrot the drug pushing views of their educators. Seriously, we shouldn't be calling each other ignorant. All I am saying is that everyone that thinks they are right are usually assholes; the greatest human atrocities were caused by people (Chairman Mao, Hitler for instance) who thought they were right. Now, I don't think that I am right, but I'll just stick to staying natural and no chemicals for my children.

Nautilus
09-28-2008, 09:00 PM
who will you turn to when your kid picks up pertussis from a loving adult?

not a smack-talking doctor, i presume.

as you were.

NikkaR
09-29-2008, 06:56 PM
Please, please, please get it for your daughter. I'm 21 now, and got my vaccinations at the age of 20 right after it came out—but it was too late for me. I have dealt with severe cervical dysplasia for the past year-and-a-half, and it has been absolutely terrifying. I have reversed it, which is good news. But had this vaccine come out when I was younger, I may have never gone through the stress and worry of having cervical dysplasia.

No, Guardasil doesn't cover ALL strains. But if I had a daughter and could at least try to protect her from cervical dysplasia and possibly cancer, I would in a second.

I had no adverse reactions to the vaccine, and it's not especially painful. PLEASE get it for your daughter.

VegasPrincess
09-29-2008, 07:20 PM
The pertussis vacaine is the one I didn't get and the reason was a kid on my block was crippled by it and my mom saw a 20/20 about it and she took that as a sign that I shouldn't get it.... It did really happen too!! It's a one in a million chance but my kids wouldn't get it if I had them, and pertussis is not a deadly disease, its treatable. Plus, logically, since most people are vaccinate for it your child isn't at high risk to get it.


Please, please, please get it for your daughter. I'm 21 now, and got my vaccinations at the age of 20 right after it came out—but it was too late for me. I have dealt with severe cervical dysplasia for the past year-and-a-half, and it has been absolutely terrifying. .

ME TOO. I think this vaccine is really important.

boxingdoc
09-30-2008, 06:25 AM
[QUOTE=VegasPrincess;1729527] Plus, logically, since most people are vaccinate for it your child isn't at high risk to get it./QUOTE]

Not true: http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/articles/2006/omer_immunizations.html

http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2008/07/07/hlsb0707.htm

And, there are about 300,000 deaths worldwide from pertussis each year.

IsobelWren
09-30-2008, 08:00 AM
If I have kids I'm going to give the vaccine to all of them, male and female, as soon as they're able to get it.

I got HPV, two strains of it, I don't know where or when I got it, since they don't test guys for it and you generally don't find out that you have it until you get an abnormal pap.

I have the high risk kind. My gyno says that I can still get the vaccine, it'll protect against the two strains that I don't have. But anyway, having HPV is more expensive than having the vaccine. I have to have two paps a year, only one of which is covered by insurance.

Usually that pap is going to be abnormal and then I have to go get a biopsy, which starts at a thousand dollars (again, only one covered by insurance). The biopsy hurts too, and has a day recovery time and three days when my vag is filled with cruddy black stuff.

Then if THOSE results come back abnormal I have to have surgery to get the parts excised and that's twice as expensive, hurts like someone kicked me in the cervix, has a day recovery time and makes me feel like an old woman hobbling around for a week. I've been through this cycle once and can expect to be through it many more times in my life. this tiny little virus is going to be a huge financial drain on me. Oh, and no sex while I'm healing from any of those procedures.

My insurance dropped me after the first round and no one will pick me up now, since I've had an abnormal pap and that makes me high risk for cancer. I have to have COBRA insurance and that's kicking my ass. I hate HPV and if I could have had a vaccine for it when I was a kid, I totally would have done it.

My mom wouldn't have given it to me, b/c she would have thought I'd been promiscuous but dude, I was doing it behind her back years before she knew anyway. And really, do you HAVE to explain to your child why she's getting this shot? My mom didn't tell me about measles when I got the MMR vaccine. Just because YOU know about sex doesn't mean SHE knows. Give it to her and tell her about it later. Tell her you're protecting her for the future. Even if her husband is her only sex partner he could have gotten it from someone he was seeing before he was seeing her.

I think that vaccines in general are a great idea. We're not doing anything unusual with them, just injecting into the body a small amount of a weakened virus. Not enough to make you sick, but enough so that your body recognizes the invader and makes immune response for any subsequent exposure. That's not anything new or unusual. This happens to people naturally quite often. The problems with vaccines come from the injection solution, like, sometimes it's suspended in a solution molecularly similar to albumen (the white part of eggs) so people allergic to eggs have a reacion to it.

VegasPrincess
09-30-2008, 02:59 PM
[QUOTE=VegasPrincess;1729527] Plus, logically, since most people are vaccinate for it your child isn't at high risk to get it./QUOTE]

Not true: http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/articles/2006/omer_immunizations.html

http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2008/07/07/hlsb0707.htm

And, there are about 300,000 deaths worldwide from pertussis each year.

I'm not trying to argue, but in America there really isn't a huge chance of dying from that particular condition. That's like saying people do teachnically die from pnemonia, chicken pox. infections from a small cut, etopic pregnancies, etc. It's very treatable with modern medicine, correct?

boxingdoc
09-30-2008, 03:36 PM
Treatable, but at what cost? There is a rising rate of infection in the United States. By avoiding an immunization that is FREE at any county health department, you are committing your child to doctor visits, antibiotics, potential life threatening complications and hospitalizations if he or she gets infected. In addition, you are putting at risk the lives of anyone with a compromised immune system: young infants, the elderly, chemo patients, transplant patients, people with HIV.

If we had a nation wide resurgence of polio, mumps, small pox, diphtheria, or measles, I think a lot of immunization naysayers would change their tune. We've made such great progress with immunizations and antibiotics, the majority of people don't know what it's like to have a truly horrible infectious disease that nothing can be done for but hopeful waiting.

Just because there isn't a huge chance of dying from it doesn't mean people don't and knowing there wasn't a huge chance of it happening is no consolation when someone does die from it.

IsobelWren
09-30-2008, 08:35 PM
Treatable, but at what cost? There is a rising rate of infection in the United States. By avoiding an immunization that is FREE at any county health department, you are committing your child to doctor visits, antibiotics, potential life threatening complications and hospitalizations if he or she gets infected. In addition, you are putting at risk the lives of anyone with a compromised immune system: young infants, the elderly, chemo patients, transplant patients, people with HIV.

Well, except that it's a virus, so antibiotics wouldn't work against it in the first place.

And it's not like HPV can jump from an infected person to the people sitting next to her on the bus. You'd have to have close sexual contact with a person to give them the cancer causing strains of the virus. I mean, HPV is dire, but it's not THAT dire.

boxingdoc
10-01-2008, 06:10 AM
^ Actually we had a slight threadjack and were talking about pertussis. Oops.

VegasPrincess
10-02-2008, 07:22 PM
^^^

Lol. I'm not anti vaccination BTW, I'm just anti that one bc of my negative experience with it (neighbors kid getting all f*ed up from it) I'm totally pro the HPV vaccine and most vaccines that don't carry such a huge risk. :)

MixedBabe88
10-04-2008, 06:08 PM
Well, except that it's a virus, so antibiotics wouldn't work against it in the first place.

And it's not like HPV can jump from an infected person to the people sitting next to her on the bus. You'd have to have close sexual contact with a person to give them the cancer causing strains of the virus. I mean, HPV is
dire, but it's not THAT dire.

Yeah, cancer is definitely not dire.
Wtf.

Fenriswolf
10-06-2008, 08:56 PM
Well technically HPV doesn't treat cancer... it treats a virus that is linked to cancer.

I'm not sure how I feel about it but if I had kids I would probably get it. I think it's just as important that boys get it though, it doesn't really make sense not to since they may be asymptomatic but that's generally where the girl/woman gets it from

Elvia
10-07-2008, 12:24 AM
I got it. I'd give it to my kids.

jaizaine
10-07-2008, 04:34 AM
I'm a pharmacist and i wouldn't make my daughter take it either for many reasons:
-not enough research
-HPV CAN cause cancer, doesn't mean it will
-With proper parenting hopefully she wouldn't sleep around and contract HPV
-and once again NOT ENOUGH RESEARCH

u can get it from sex with one partner /:O
also what type of parenting to u plan on practising to stop your daughter from sleeping around lol good luck with that.

i cannot stand the anti-immunisation sentiment. in Australia they had to bribe parents to vaccinate their children with monetary incentives to do so - fucking sad. seriously how terribly pathetic, their children's health was only a priority when they were paid to immunize them. we probably will see a re-emergence of 3rd world type diseases because of all the people who believe any shit that they read.

i wanted to get it done but my doctor told me i could not have it as i was over 25 or 26 or whatever the cut-off for free vaccination was. i said then can i pay for it and he said no coz it hasn't been trialed for people over 26 ummm what's the diff between 26 and 27 year olds that it would make a diff??

Dyllan
10-20-2011, 09:45 AM
Both of my daughters are vaccinated...no side effects.