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X Evan X
09-26-2008, 04:41 AM
What clubs pay dj's an hourly wage?

I'm curious

-E

NewMoon
09-26-2008, 07:08 AM
^^^All where I am from that I know of. They don't make much hourly but they make more off the girls.

CarlyMIA
09-26-2008, 09:38 AM
I actually never met one that makes hourly wages. The DJs in the Manhattan clubs get a minimum tip out of $20. With even 30 girls working he leaves with $600. Now THAT'S a nice chunck of change every night.

Havana
09-26-2008, 10:00 AM
at my club it's not mandatory to tip the dj, so i assume he gets an hourly. but i'm not sure. i tip him regardless. better karma.

AmArticia
09-26-2008, 12:35 PM
I actually never met one that makes hourly wages. The DJs in the Manhattan clubs get a minimum tip out of $20. With even 30 girls working he leaves with $600. Now THAT'S a nice chunk of change every night.

Damn, I know what I wanna do when I grow up now!

X Evan X
09-26-2008, 07:57 PM
I actually never met one that makes hourly wages. The DJs in the Manhattan clubs get a minimum tip out of $20. With even 30 girls working he leaves with $600. Now THAT'S a nice chunck of change every night.
Dunno about Manhattan but when Tim was at Scores and VIP back in their heyday he was giving nearly half of his money back to the managers/house in order to work there.

I've never heard of a dj getting a salary or hourly wage either that's why I asked.

-E

Lena
09-26-2008, 08:11 PM
I think it's funny how most of the low tippers in this thread haven't been dancing long.

That $50 tip at the begining of this thread has paid off for me now. I've probably made three or four hundred dollars off of guys that that DJ recommended me to.

davka
09-26-2008, 10:03 PM
"When I first started dancing, we had to hike ten miles to work in stilts and we handcranked our own phonograph record player! You newbie youngins don't know how good you got it!"

Lol.

Beginner dancers can have an opinion.

charlie61
09-27-2008, 01:32 AM
I think it's funny how most of the low tippers in this thread haven't been dancing long.


I've been dancing for 2 years now. Our DJ's get an hourly and $20 from each girl. Is a "tip" even a tip when it's required?

Starfire
09-27-2008, 07:19 AM
I think it's funny how most of the low tippers in this thread haven't been dancing long.

That $50 tip at the begining of this thread has paid off for me now. I've probably made three or four hundred dollars off of guys that that DJ recommended me to.

I've been dancing four and a half years. At my club, it's not the DJs who can really assist in making money, it is other staff members.

Djoser
09-28-2008, 07:43 PM
I know some of you have DJs who work harder than others, but I found the juxtaposition of this thread here, and this thread right below it, very interesting:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111872

'I WORK for my money' is the title of the thread. A customer said this to a dancer, and other dancers were discussing similar comments they have received. Apparently he didn't think they were working hard at all, or maybe not even really working, and so didn't deserve his money.

Empathy...

charlie61
09-28-2008, 07:44 PM
^^ Do you not get an hourly wage? Are you an independent contractor? (no sarcasm in that...I'm really wondering)

ViolaStrings
09-28-2008, 08:03 PM
I love my new club because the MAXIMUM tip out to the DJ is $25 if you made $500 or $50,000, $10 to the housemom, $15 to the floormen.

There's a sliding scale for all amounts before that, which is more than fair at about 5% to the DJ.

Way better than my last club where you had to tip 10% of your funny money, so if you somehow made $3000, you would have to give the DJ $300. Totally fucking unfair and greedy, especially since the DJ was an unpersonable, nasty control freak. The house fee could be as much as $90, the house mom was a bitch unless you gave her $20, and the house took 15% of your funny money, and charged the customer 15%. That place was so fucking greedy.

Strip clubs make enough off the customers, why do they have to exploit the dancer's earnings SO MUCH?!

Jenny
09-28-2008, 08:06 PM
I know some of you have DJs who work harder than others, but I found the juxtaposition of this thread here, and this thread right below it, very interesting:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111872

'I WORK for my money' is the title of the thread. A customer said this to a dancer, and other dancers were discussing similar comments they have received. Apparently he didn't think they were working hard at all, or maybe not even really working, and so didn't deserve his money.

Empathy...
The difference being that customers come in to enjoy the services of the dancer, explicitly and specifically whereas the services of the DJ to the dancer (the tipping party) are usually a little more limited in scope. Like the person who cleans my neighbour's apartment works hard too; and she contributes to my well being in a diffuse sense because without her his place would be a sty and there could possibly be a bug and rodent infestation. Doesn't mean I should have to tip her. It's not about what DJs deserve or don't deserve in general - it is what they deserve from me. I mean, dude - you know as well as we do that DJs pretty much have to directly fuck with you before you even notice they are not bringing their A game, and that is not tipping - that is just extortion.

Dancers do have an advantage insofar as our job involves direct services to a consumer and sale. You work for a club and provide your services, mainly, to them. Also, our work is a lot more integral to the functioning of the club and while both jobs would be considered unskilled, ours is generally considered less desirable and therefore worth more.

Djoser
09-28-2008, 10:22 PM
As I was saying, the lack of empathy is not limited to customers...

;D

Djoser
09-28-2008, 10:35 PM
^^ Do you not get an hourly wage? Are you an independent contractor? (no sarcasm in that...I'm really wondering)

Sorry, didn't see this. I am actually an independent contractor, yes. The owner appreciates the highly skilled nature of my work, and has told the manager to make sure I get 100$ every night I am there, but it is not an hourly wage.

Jenny
09-29-2008, 05:12 AM
As I was saying, the lack of empathy is not limited to customers...

;DI don't tip everyone I empathize with, nor do I empathize with everyone I tip. I tip people who are providing a tippable service in an amount reasonably proportionate to the service they are providing to me, not based on their desserts in the greater scheme of the universe. I mean, I don't particularly empathize with DJs on a professional level because my job is fundamentally different than yours; so I tip based on the service provided to me instead.

Andygirl
09-29-2008, 07:22 AM
I know some of you have DJs who work harder than others, but I found the juxtaposition of this thread here, and this thread right below it, very interesting:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111872

'I WORK for my money' is the title of the thread. A customer said this to a dancer, and other dancers were discussing similar comments they have received. Apparently he didn't think they were working hard at all, or maybe not even really working, and so didn't deserve his money.

Empathy...

I certainly believe that DJ's should make a decent take home pay. But I don't think they should make more than the dancers who are breaking their backs going on stage 10x a night and doing a zillion private dances. Maybe I would feel differently if I had ever worked with a truly exceptional DJ, but I have not.

I give more to the DJ than most of the girls at my club. And in return, they hook me up with bachelor dances on Saturday night. If they did more than that, maybe I'd feel obligated to give more. It's hard to say.

AudreyLeigh
09-29-2008, 07:38 AM
That's cool, I have worked with a very few who did that. The dancer I have written about before named Theo used to dump huge piles of ones all over me in the booth whenever she got offstage. I still miss working with her, she was a lot of fun, and very classy as well.

Our DJ has a champagne bucket on the ledge by the booth when we get off so its easy. Take money, put in bucket. I dont have to think and dont have to count, etc. I just went back this weekend after a LONG hiatus and he now has photos of his daughter taped all over the wall surrounding the bucket! I was like aaawwwww....

But, if I have a good night I will tip him at the end of the night too (esp if stages were slow) so it tends to work out. Hes never been rude to me so I think its going ok. And when he asks me what I want to dance to I say "whatever you want" ... Im not picky...

DJ Steve
09-29-2008, 09:20 AM
none of the waitresses that i have ordered food from have EVER made me a single dolllar, yet i still tip them for their service, even though i am probably capable of getting the food myself ;)

i work for tips, and try to understand when someone else does too. all of you know just as well as anyone that a good tip can turn your day around.

I reallt dont care if the waitress at the greasy spoon joint i go to after work makes more money than me, she provides a service, she is a tipped employee, i tip because its the right thing to do.

ViolaStrings
09-29-2008, 09:33 AM
^ we're not saying we shouldn't tip, we're just saying 10% of a stripper's earnings is excessive. If I work an 8 hour shift, I'm working 480 minutes. Is the DJ doing the equivalent of 48 minutes of work for me? Is he doing the equivalent of 1/10 the stripper's labor that night? Especially at clubs that have more than 50 girls, 10% is incredibly excessive.

I think someone years ago set this standard because they thought strippers couldn't do the math involved in tipping 5%.

NewMoon
09-29-2008, 09:40 AM
If we had to tipout the DJ 10% at my club, he would be taking home at least a couple grand a night :O

DJ Steve
09-29-2008, 11:26 AM
If we had to tipout the DJ 10% at my club, he would be taking home at least a couple grand a night :O

The same could be said about a server at a high end restaurant. "OMG this meal was $500 for all of us, no WAY am i tipping 10%, if everyone in this restaurant gives her $50, she makes more than me!"

now while that would be awesome, none of us expect that.

FTR though, DJing IS a very lucrative business. Try finding a dj for a wedding, special event, or anything else for what most of us make in a night. right now the standard rate for a dj is about $150 an hour for someone to hand a mic to the best man and play the cha cha slide. I suppose its all a matter of perspective really, i prob spend an additional 20 hours a week just checking charts all over the world, emailing producers, downloading new stuff and backing my stuff up. I have been doing this long enough that i feel like i have put my time in. i have close to 300 gigs of music just on my laptop, and try to have EVERYTHING that anyone could possibly want to hear in a night. I have spent my own free time arranging sessions with people to teach me how to better use our lighting system, so i can keep the clubs energy hyped.

Its one of those things that goes unrecognized really. If the DJ is doing a great job, hardly anyone will notice, however if they are not doing a good job - EVERYONE notices.

just as a side thought,a DJ like eric morillo is $30k for a two hour set. oakenfold and Van Dyk are DOUBLE that. tiesto charges 89k and needs about 10k in special equipment just to perform.

Im not saying a SC dj has the same pull or even should make that kind of money, just pointing out that djing IS a lucrative business, and the dj does more than you think to help your money (in my club at least)

Djoser
09-29-2008, 01:22 PM
We have established, I thought, that tipping 10% wasn't common with women making 500-1000$. And wasn't necessary--especially in the case of the many professional, wise, and shrewd dancers posting here who tip the DJs well as a policy.

As far as making more than dancers, this summer I made more than most in the club, this season more than half will make up for it.

Andygirl, I have met you and know you are very attractive, so this doesn't apply to you personally, but some dancers clear the tiprail every single time they go onstage and make it harder on everyone in the entire club. Some hang at the bar getting drunk all night, and some hide in the dressing room. They don't automatically deserve more than me.


...you have to do the same thing you would for a terrible stripper -- NOT REWARD THEM.

Sensible advice, as I said before. The terrible strippers shouldn't bitch about not making money any more than the terrible DJs, of course, lol!

As for empathy, sometimes I can empathize with the customers who sit observing the stage, and may not find what they see in the least bit appealing, and might say 'Why should I tip her? She isn't providing me with anything I want, and I don't have to.'

More often I empathize with the dancer onstage, especially if she is a good tipper and demonstrates that she merits it.

davka
09-29-2008, 01:22 PM
A WAITRESS'S WORK INCREASES FOR EVERY DOLLAR ON THE CHECK. HER WORK IS DIRECTLY PROPORTIONATE TO THE MONEY ON THE CHECK.

Every dollar on that check indicates actual fucking work she did, THE WAITRESS! If I make a grand on private dances, your work as a DJ has nothing NOTHING to do with that and there is no way in hell I am tipping you ten percent of that. No way. You are providing the club with a service and you get paid well for it, I'm sure. There is no way that just because our money goes up sky high, yours should to. If you play good music and get the guys into my stage set by being rowdy, I will tip you accordingly. I do tip- out of basic empathy, but there is no way you are getting ten percent of my hard-earned money that came from me hustling and working HARD and had nothing to do with your work.

The work we are doing is so fundamentally unique, so stigmatized, so physically and psychologically demanding. No one deserves ten percent of my earnings.

I think that we have more of an idea of who helps us make our money and how we make our money than a DJ who spends his night in a booth. I have never had a DJ do anything to make me money. I've had other dancers make me a ton on stage by acting crazy and getting the guys into my set, being wild and fun. And they have NEVER asked me for a cut of my stage money.

davka
09-29-2008, 01:25 PM
As far as making more than dancers, this summer I made more than most in the club, this season more than half will make up for it. Non of them work harder than I do, or deal with more unpleasant stress levels.

How do you know what stress levels the girls deal with? Unpleasantness? Have you ever had a customer bite your bare tit- hard? Or put his hand on your throat when you were alone in a lapdance room? Or had to stand for a 6 hour shift in heels that kill your feet and spine? I'm sure that you work hard and I tip well because I believe anybody in a service industry job deserves to be tipped out of principle, but dancers are definitely the hardest workers in the club, hands down.

CarlyMIA
09-29-2008, 01:34 PM
You are providing the club with a service and you get paid well for it, I'm sure.

Didn't you read the thread? Most DJ's get an hourly rate of under $5! That's $40 for an 8 hours shift. You consider this getting paid well??????!!!!!!

Djoser
09-29-2008, 01:44 PM
How do you know what stress levels the girls deal with?

How do you know what stress levels the DJ deals with in the clubs I have worked in?

I have also had to deal with violent customers, and came extremely close to being shot with two of my friends, one of whom was killed. Since I went out of my way to physically stop the shooters from molesting dancers they weren't even paying, in the past, they would have shot me too, trust me.

Then there are some of the dancers, who make the job extremely difficult with their rude, intoxicated and unprofessional behavior. Fortunately they are in a minority. Then there are the managers who have no clue what a DJ can or should do, and 25 brain cells. Then there are equipment problems in the many clubs with faulty equipment, which everyone including managers, dancers, and customers will always blame on you. Then there is the fact that you can never, ever relax, take a 10 minute break, get away from people in the dressing room for a bit, have a drink at the bar, etc.


...dancers are definitely the hardest workers in the club, hands down.

I have yet to see a dancer who worked harder, night in night out, than I do--not in any club I have ever worked in.

winterrose
09-29-2008, 02:04 PM
I have been debating whether to post in this thread for a while...but here is my take on the tip thing.

I am in the unique position of being married to a DJ, while being a dancer.

I have watched my hubby spend countless hours getting music that is current for girls that don't tip, that expect him to all but get the customers wallets out of their pockets for them. they get mad at him if they don't get tipped onstage.

I never realized how shitty some dancers can be until I saw how they treated him.

As a dancer I feel that a DJ should be tipped well.

The DJ's I have worked with were all assured of making a paycheck, granted it wasn't a lot on a the payscale, but they have the safety net of some money. The ones I have worked with didn't have to pay to be there.

Yes, undeniably a DJ works hard for his money.

But at the end of the night, he hasn't had to fight people away from sticking fingers in his orafices.

There are DJ's that do get 10% from me. But they are the ones that work. And work hard, they always have every bit of music my warped little brain can come up with. They don't need my cd's because they can read a crowd, keep a crowd hyped, and keep me and 20+ girls happy while keeping the crowd happy.

Then there are the dj's that suck in all of the above mentioned areas...they get the bare min the club sets out. No more. No less.

DJ's get the short end of the shit stick on every possible angle. They have customers requesting music they aren't allowed to play, that no one would dance to anyway, they have dancers doing the same with request that will bring a club vibe down and they have to balance all of this in less than 30 seconds sometimes to keep the stage and music flowing. A good DJ usually has his music planned out 5 to 6 girls in advance, and has to change based on who is giving dances and keep it all going, while talking, while running lights.

I found it a bit insulting for my hubby to work his ass off at work and then spend 3+ hours sometimes in a night after work to barely make any money. Then there are nights he walked with more than me.

but for the DJ to always make more than the top dancer at that club isn't exactly right either.

charlie61
09-29-2008, 02:23 PM
Didn't you read the thread? Most DJ's get an hourly rate of under $5! That's $40 for an 8 hours shift. You consider this getting paid well??????!!!!!!

I agree--that would be ridiculous. I'd also agree that a minimum tipout from the strippers is logical. It's this 10% stuff I don't understand...

Djoser
09-29-2008, 02:42 PM
But at the end of the night, he hasn't had to fight people away from sticking fingers in his orafices.



Truer words were never spoken. I cannot know what this is like, though I have certainly had to deal with the aftereffects, sometimes literally catatonia, and never pleasant. Then you have to gt onstage and smile at more guys who want to do the same.

There are unique kinds of stress in each position. I have been reduced to near catatonic state many times. Usually it's just a bone weariness at the end, combined with the jacked up physical inability to sleep or even relax, from being ON for 480-540 minutes without pause.

In some clubs, dealing with a lot of people on drugs could be stressful. Like I would have to track down the dancers in one club everytime, to make sure they showed up for stage somehow. And the manager would scream at me if they didn't make it, no matter how much I called them, lol!

ViolaStrings
09-29-2008, 03:00 PM
I totally agree that a DJ's job is not easy, but it's one's choice to do so, and by doing so it DOES NOT automatically entitle you to 10% of the dancers earnings. I really like my club's minimum $10, but then a sliding scale of around 5% after that. When there are 100 girls on shift, 10% is thousands of dollars. That's ridiculous.

Djoser
09-29-2008, 05:00 PM
Again, no DJ here has disputed the fact that 10% of high dollar amounts is unnecessary.

What seems to be being disputed is whether any DJ anywhere is working as hard as any dancer, anywhere. It's boiled down to two factions yelling at each other 'NO WAY! You CANNOT work HARDER than me. You have no concept of the unique kinds of stress my profession goes through.'

Which is ridiculous, really. Most DJs would run screaming from a VIP room, or maybe break a few customer jaws nightly. But most dancers would run screaming from a DJ booth, there is no way they could handle the unique stress continuously sustained in a busy club expecting a highly skilled DJ's services. And several hundred dancers I have worked with would wind up breaking the jaws of some of the extremely rude, mendacious dancers, managers, and even occasional customers the DJ has to deal with all night long, every night.

Of course you can say the DJ has nothing to do with your making a penny all night, but you are making money for each song he plays. No DJ=no songs. Thus the DJ is integral to the money-making process. Furthermore, the nature of the of music being played will affect how long a big crowd stays in the club, and their behavior to a large extent. Guys staying because they like the music and the way the dancers perform onstage to music the dancers really like (but isn't pissing everyone else off like so often happens in jukebox clubs) means more guys buying dances.

Corgan
09-29-2008, 05:16 PM
i tip our DJ minimum $10 because i have to. he always tries to molest me, and always tries kissing me... i fucking loathe him.

charlie61
09-29-2008, 05:18 PM
^^ (In reference to DJoser's post)

Wow...apparently I don't work with a deserving DJ, then (seriously).

Our club DJ doesn't do jack. We all pick out our own music. All he does is a little blurb (usually the same shpiel) between girls. I guess I have yet to see a DJ who actually works for his money. Shrugs. (Again, no sarcasm)

keira0304
09-29-2008, 05:22 PM
some dancers clear the tiprail every single time they go onstage and make it harder on everyone in the entire club.


What does "clear the tiprail" mean?? I don't get it.

Djoser, would you be happy with these tip-outs- considering you are a great dj, play the music I like and play to the crowd and maybe pointed out a customer or two:

If I make... 150- I give you 10
300- I give you 15
500- I give you 25
700- I give you 35
900- I give you 50
1000+- I give you 60-70

I didn't do the percentages... but if this were in a club where there were 10-20 other dancers tipping you around the same percentage- would you be happy with that? 150 would be a bad night, but if all the girls tipped you 10 and there were 20 girls, you'd go home with 200, more than I made. 900 would be a great night, but what if it were a wednesday and there were only 5 other girls and they had bad nights and only tipped you 10 each, then you'd go home with 100.

What would be fair? Personally, I want to give the bartenders, bouncers and dj's extra just as insurance so they never cop an attitude with me, always have my back and point out big spenders. I didn't realize this until I moved back to the club I started working at and tipped way more than I did before- there was a TREMENDOUS change in the way the bouncers, manager, housemom, bartenders treated me. And seriously.... think about this. If you give just 10 dollars extra to the DJ, 5 dollars to 3 bouncers and 5 to the bartenders ( i always give the bartenders a dollar each time i get a glass of water)- That's only an extra 30 dollars a night- one lapdance and a couple stage tips- to ensure that you're going to be treated well.

keira0304
09-29-2008, 05:25 PM
Of course you can say the DJ has nothing to do with your making a penny all night, but you are making money for each song he plays. No DJ=no songs. Thus the DJ is integral to the money-making process. Furthermore, the nature of the of music being played will affect how long a big crowd stays in the club, and their behavior to a large extent. Guys staying because they like the music and the way the dancers perform onstage to music the dancers really like (but isn't pissing everyone else off like so often happens in jukebox clubs) means more guys buying dances.

This is so true. At my club, as soon as a big group of trust fund college guys walk in (usually several of them in groups of 10+) the DJ will play nothing but top 40 pop/rap/hip hop kanye west talib kweli whatever shit.... i don't like dancing to that kind of music-- but those customers love hearing it... they dance and sing along drunk and they love it because they can act like gangsters with their stupid straight-billed oversized hats-- the guys stay if they like the music. I like weird stuff- garbage and massive attack and goldfrapp, but it's not appealing to the crowd we get when the club is busy- the dj recognizes that and doesn't play my stuff... which is fine, because I make more money shaking my ass to kanye.

davka
09-29-2008, 05:39 PM
Didn't you read the thread? Most DJ's get an hourly rate of under $5! That's $40 for an 8 hours shift. You consider this getting paid well??????!!!!!!

didn't you read the thread- they also get tipped by most of the girls. i'm sure most dj's do ok if the club is even remotely successful.

again- my point is that i tip and i tip well, but i think there is a major problem with people in the club making more than the girls and there seems to be this idea that everyone in the club is working in equality and that everyone deserves the same amount of money. I don't agree with this. That doesn't mean I don't tip. That means if I make 1000- there is no way I am handing over 100 dollars to the DJ or anyone else in the club. If I make 1000 I will end up handing over a 100 to the club anyway and then on top of that I am supposed to hand 100 more over to a DJ? Ten percent is crazy for any one person working in the club, especially considering some places require a tip for a doorman, a housemom, a waitress, a bartender, etc. We are paying everybody- everybody who gets to keep their clothes on.

Djoser, I am sure your job is hard and you are probably really excellent at it. I guess I have limited and bad experience with Djs, but it seems like there is this persistent idea in the club that we, as dancers, should be tipping big just to keep the dj (usually male) from being an asshole to us. That is the basic service I have experienced women paying for in their tips. I think that's crap.

Every time I walk off stage I throw a handful of ones to the DJ and I tip well at the end of the night to maintain healthy relations in the club. But I know how hard I work and if you have never been a dancer I don't think you know how hard we work, especially when we are required to make it look easy and fun to make our money. That being said, I have never been a DJ and I am sure it is harder than I realize. THAT IS WHY I TIP- which is something I have said over and over again.

I just think people in the club overestimate their role in making me my money and I am not going to tip any one individual ten percent of what I make and anyone who expects me to is greedy, IMO.

davka
09-29-2008, 05:43 PM
If I make... 150- I give you 10
300- I give you 15
500- I give you 25
700- I give you 35
900- I give you 50
1000+- I give you 60-70



ok and what are you going to do when you have

1. Bartender
2. Housemom
3. Waitress
4. Doorman
5. DJ

Plus a percentage of the dance money to the house. PLUS a basic stage-fee.

You make 1000 and you are going to walk home with 500?

davka
09-29-2008, 05:49 PM
i tip our DJ minimum $10 because i have to. he always tries to molest me, and always tries kissing me... i fucking loathe him.


yeah, i'm glad someone mentioned this. Let's not forget the sexual harassment from these people we have to tip out at the end of the night. Let's not forget the presence of nakedness and sexuality in the job which a lot of people mistake as an open invitation to just do whatever they want. This is a stress that I feel DJs don't have to deal with at all.

Djoser, you sound like a rad DJ and I am sorry if I implied you don't work hard. I am sure you rock the sauce, but maybe you don't realize a lot of the "unpleasant stress" we deal with, including being bitten, groped, violated, assaulted in a lightning flash of a moment and then being told to chock it up to the game.

I loved my Dj this summer, he was a nice person, fun as hell and my boy- but I could not believe how lazy he was, how easy his job was, and how much he made for doing nothing.

keira0304
09-29-2008, 05:52 PM
At my club, the house fee is 55 if i work 10-4am, minimum to the bouncers is 6 dollars and there are 3-4, minimum to the dj is supposed to be 10%, so...

If I make 1000 before paying out and tip the minimum to everyone thats:

-24 bouncers
-100 dj
-55 housefee

paying out $179 and going home with 821.

I think that is way too little for making 1000.... i think 10% is what should be the total paid out... in which case the dj would only get $21, which he would automatically think is unfair because they count dances and know how much we make.

I don't think if i made a grand I would give 100 to the DJ..... but we'll see when that happens. A couple weeks ago I made 800 and gave him 50, but he deserved it because he introduced me to a bachelor party.... not that I couldn't do it myself- but he directed me there before all the other girls got there.

keira0304
09-29-2008, 05:54 PM
I loved my Dj this summer, he was a nice person, fun as hell and my boy- but I could not believe how lazy he was, how easy his job was, and how much he made for doing nothing.

true.... it seems pretty easy to be a dj. Just download a ton of music on your computer, hook it up to the club's system, click some buttons to line up songs and announce girls on the stage rotation- that's what you have to do at the bare minimum....and then getting tipped minimum 10x20 girls that's still 200/night for barely doing anything.

Mily
09-29-2008, 05:57 PM
Sorry, didn't see this. I am actually an independent contractor, yes. The owner appreciates the highly skilled nature of my work, and has told the manager to make sure I get 100$ every night I am there, but it is not an hourly wage.


When you filled out your employment application, did it state that you were agreeing to be an "Independent Contractor?" Ours actually does. If not, then you are still, technically, an employee of the club. The DJs at my club get paid $75 a night (not an hourly wage), but they are still not considered independent contractors. The club, club owner, or club manager doesn't pay us a PENNY. We bring OUR business to the club, and put money in everybody else's pockets. THAT is what an independent contractor does.

Djoser
09-29-2008, 06:20 PM
. If I make 1000 I will end up handing over a 100 to the club anyway and then on top of that I am supposed to hand 100 more over to a DJ?

No, we don't expect that--not the DJs posting here. I don't.



Djoser, I am sure your job is hard and you are probably really excellent at it. I guess I have limited and bad experience with Djs, but it seems like there is this persistent idea in the club that we, as dancers, should be tipping big just to keep the dj (usually male) from being an asshole to us. That is the basic service I have experienced women paying for in their tips. I think that's crap.

Me too! It's all wrong. Unfortunately there are bad DJs just as there are bad dancers. Guys who play the 'asshole card', dancers who use any excuse to weasel out of paying even a minimum tip.


Every time I walk off stage I throw a handful of ones to the DJ and I tip well at the end of the night to maintain healthy relations in the club...That being said, I have never been a DJ and I am sure it is harder than I realize. THAT IS WHY I TIP- which is something I have said over and over again.

See, this is great! We have no problem, other than the question of who works harder maybe.


We should have a Davka/Djoser Workoff Challenge night in some club, with cameras and judges watching all the different shit we both have to put up with. Stress meters, brainwave recordings, skin temperature readouts, heartbeat and adrenaline levels. All scientifically measured and presented to our panel of impartial judges.

Oh, but no doctors or lawyers on the panel, they always think everyone else charges way too much money...

:rotfl:

Djoser
09-29-2008, 06:32 PM
When you filled out your employment application, did it state that you were agreeing to be an "Independent Contractor?" Ours actually does. If not, then you are still, technically, an employee of the club. The DJs at my club get paid $75 a night (not an hourly wage), but they are still not considered independent contractors. The club, club owner, or club manager doesn't pay us a PENNY. We bring OUR business to the club, and put money in everybody else's pockets. THAT is what an independent contractor does.

Well there is a grey area with both positions. I never had to fill out an application, not at all but two clubs. Which means, strictly speaking, that I am not a normal 'employee'.

Also, in most clubs the DJ is supposed to bring his own music to use in the club, and often his own expensive computer equipment, which is not something an employee would do.

I have been an independent contractor (architectural drawings, graphics, and site planning), for more years than I have been a DJ, and no one could tell me--as they can tell dancers--what nights to work, what time to get there, what time to leave, what to wear, that I could be fined for being late in the completion of art (as in being onstage on time), etc., etc..

We are not ordinary employees, but we can both be fired. The clubs want to have their cake and eat it too, with the dancers especially.

Mily
09-29-2008, 06:40 PM
We are not ordinary employees, but we can both be fired. The clubs want to have their cake and eat it too, with the dancers especially.


Ain't that the truth, LOL. I could've sworn that I read in a couple of your posts from a while back that you had to be at your club at a certain time. Maybe that has changed, though.

Anyways... my point is. I HATE shitty, pathetic, asshole DJs and love the ones who know what the fuck they're doing. That is all. :P

Djoser
09-29-2008, 07:00 PM
Yeah I have to be there sometime not too much after 7 PM.

I like your post, lol.


What does "clear the tiprail" mean?? I don't get it.

Djoser, would you be happy with these tip-outs- considering you are a great dj, play the music I like and play to the crowd and maybe pointed out a customer or two:

If I make... 150- I give you 10
300- I give you 15
500- I give you 25
700- I give you 35
900- I give you 50
1000+- I give you 60-70



That is an excellent rate. Only an asshole of the highest order would complain.

'Clearing the tiprail' is what some dancers do when they go onstage, and all the guys who had been sitting there tipping the other dancers get up and leave when they see them coming, sometimes even leaving the club entirely. Naturally such dancers make it a lot tougher for everyone in the club, just as a bad DJ will do.



i tip our DJ minimum $10 because i have to. he always tries to molest me, and always tries kissing me... i fucking loathe him.

I fucking hate those guys, they can actually make my job harder as this tends to destroy the good communication vital to a professional relationship. Especially if they are working the same club.

CarlyMIA
09-29-2008, 07:03 PM
Davka, you said the following: "You are providing the club with a service and you get paid well for it, I'm sure."

Which, to me, means that the CLUB is paying for DJs services. The fact that the girls *usually* have to tip the DJ a minimum is a given in this thread.

CKXXX
09-29-2008, 07:05 PM
I fucking hate those guys, they can actually make my job harder as this tends to destroy the good communication vital to a professional relationship. Especially if they are working the same club.

Yeah one of the other DJs(R's son I believe...)is like that. COMPLETE douche.Made a few girls lift their tops or bend over so he can spank them when they introduced themselves. Also refused to play my music because looking up my music file or playing my cd was "too hard".Hate him.

Victoryx0x0
09-29-2008, 07:25 PM
i tip my asshole dj the standard $10 And he keeps all of it. he doesnt deserve more. i tip the dj i love who brings me mix cds an picks songs special for me $15. i would tip him more but i cant really afford it as $$ been bad for me lately.