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maximvsv
09-28-2008, 10:30 PM
I mentioned seeing her outside the club.


So in this current situation she brings up OTC

Which is the leading on part?

Huoliuhi
09-29-2008, 11:51 PM
bump up then lurk

jaizaine
09-30-2008, 06:25 AM
6 dances/hour = $60

2,080 hours (one work year) * $60 = $124,000

Yeah, I know there is more to it than this, but the point is that you're right; $10 for a dance isn't ridiculous.

Pretty lame money IMO. But I work only 2-3 nights per week and wouldn't do a $10 dance even on a night where I was desperate. I'd rather leave with nothing.

whitelight97402
09-30-2008, 10:49 AM
When my favorite club changed owners and they were promoting the new club, trying to draw market share, they lowered dance prices to $10.00. The club turned around 'big time', they did an amazing job and is now arguably the best club in our area and so they raised dances to $20.00.

Apologies if I am being too blunt, but the cost of lap dances was a big topic of debate at this club and around town. Lowering drink prices, no door fee and the reduced dance price attracted alot of new clientelle and also managed to piss off the other half dozen clubs.

The consensus was the hot dancers did much better at the higher price because they were busy all night anyway, but the more average dancers said they did better 'overall' when the price was lower, guys were more likely to say yes on a whim and also get more subsequent dances.

I dunno, maybe it is different other places.

mranak
09-30-2008, 06:46 PM
Pretty lame money IMO. But I work only 2-3 nights per week and wouldn't do a $10 dance even on a night where I was desperate. I'd rather leave with nothing.

Guys that spend $20 for a short one-song dance from a woman that is only doing it for the money is pretty lame IMO, even on a night when they are desperate.

;)

UtahMike
09-30-2008, 07:03 PM
^^ UtahMike sits back, gets popcorn, and waits for the auto da fe to begin.

mranak
09-30-2008, 07:27 PM
Ah, don't be getting me into trouble like that.

I didn't disagree with her in my post. Besides, she's in AUS where $10 is worth USD $8.

If she would rather make $0 than maybe $200 in $10 dances, then that's certainly her choice and her right I suppose.

UtahMike
09-30-2008, 09:58 PM
Jaizine making $0 in a night. ha! ha ha! ha ha ha! ha ha ha ha! ROTFLMFAO!

Lysondra
10-01-2008, 12:06 AM
Boy with all the replies and replies to replies and paranoia about my ID(BTW, I learned of the term PL from msg boards, never heard it in a club) it's a mass of confusion.

I'll give another example. Prior to this situation there was another girl who I saw there once on a Friday afternoon. Nothing special to look at but she came up to me and started massaging my shoulders then was called to stage. I tipped her on stage and she came back to me. Well she was as aggressive as I've ever had. She was blowing me a few secs here a few secs there. This would be only the 2nd stripper I got this from (that I can remember), the other was at a different club. She told me she only worked there on Friday b/c she couldn't make money there the other days. She told me w/o my prompting as I wasn't attracted to her that she escorted. Asked me if I had a cell phone(it was in my car). I figured I could always see her next Friday. Well I guess she got fired or left b/c I never saw her again.

So in this current situation she brings up OTC(an abbreviation I just learned from this thread) I am interested as opposed to the girl above. She blows me off. I will never dance for her again, she knows this by ignoring me the next week I go there, she loses out on my pity little $100-150 this week, maybe next week or the next, or until I find other strippers I'm more interest in. It's like a bum refusing $1 b/c it's not enough. Hello she works in a dive. Want to admit it or not the amount I paid was above avg for this club during the day. Quite frankly I'm surprised they even open during the day.

End of my comments!

P.S. I tip on the specials.

Am I the only one who caught this?

Lysondra
10-01-2008, 12:07 AM
Ah, don't be getting me into trouble like that.

I didn't disagree with her in my post. Besides, she's in AUS where $10 is worth USD $8.

If she would rather make $0 than maybe $200 in $10 dances, then that's certainly her choice and her right I suppose.

Jaizaine making $200 is LMAO enough.

I've met Jai. Jai is so wonderful and amazing and fabulous she doesn't need to waste her time for $200. She's worth more than that from each guy that walks in individually and she knows it.

Sophia_Starina
10-01-2008, 12:10 AM
Am I the only one who caught this?

I missed it. I'll admit. But it doesn't change much. There are strippers who give extras AND don't care to deal with cheap guys.

misspthesweetesttaboo
10-01-2008, 06:48 AM
Dude, do you understand the concept of strip clubs?

The dancers are not auditioning for you; they are NOT interested in seeing you OTC. They are there to make you feel comfortable, and to get money from you.

Think of dancers as characters in a movie or in a videogame. Everything that a dancer says is to get you to pay her. It is a character that she is playing. When she tells you that she wants to see you OTC, she says that because she wants to separate you from your money, and not because she wants to be friends with you.


DUDE- they should frame this in lobbies

misspthesweetesttaboo
10-01-2008, 06:51 AM
NO, not all strippers like regulars - especially those who think $100 is "a lot" of money.


i'll take a random new spender any shift--- all my regulars eventually try to get over because i'm so nice- or try to be my hero::)

kandie_kitten
10-01-2008, 07:53 AM
Guys that spend $20 for a short one-song dance from a woman that is only doing it for the money is pretty lame IMO, even on a night when they are desperate.

;)

Why else WOULD they do it?

jaizaine
10-01-2008, 08:47 AM
Guys that spend $20 for a short one-song dance from a woman that is only doing it for the money is pretty lame IMO, even on a night when they are desperate.

;)

LOL do u think strippers are dancing for u coz it turns them on or something??

jaizaine
10-01-2008, 08:50 AM
Ah, don't be getting me into trouble like that.

I didn't disagree with her in my post. Besides, she's in AUS where $10 is worth USD $8.

If she would rather make $0 than maybe $200 in $10 dances, then that's certainly her choice and her right I suppose.

LOL. I would rather get $50 per dance which is what I get paid at my club. I wont lower the price coz it's the club price and because I'm worth way more than that (thank you for saying so Lysondra).

Interesting that u bring up currency differences, I fail to see your point here.

But u go back to believing that dancers dance for u for pure enjoyment. You should just ask them to do it for free coz u r so amazing.

CKXXX
10-01-2008, 09:10 AM
Am I the only one who caught this?

I caught it...but I had pretty much assumed that since thats what girls do in the clubs here. And people wonder why I dont want to dance here anymore.

jaizaine
10-01-2008, 09:16 AM
^^
c'mon girls aren't u totally impressed that some guy can get a blow job and all he has to do is pay?? wow don't u wish u were that cool??

Jenny
10-01-2008, 09:18 AM
^^
c'mon girls aren't u totally impressed that some guy can get a blow job and all he has to do is pay?? wow don't u wish u were that cool??
I'll never get a blowjob.
Sigh.



I wish I had a penis.

head turner
10-01-2008, 09:31 AM
And yes I live in S FL, how'd you know?


ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!:smellie_g

mranak
10-01-2008, 03:26 PM
Guys that spend $20 for a short one-song dance from a woman that is only doing it for the money is pretty lame IMO, even on a night when they are desperate.

;)


LOL do u think strippers are dancing for u coz it turns them on or something??

No, my point was just the opposite. I wasn't putting the stripper down.


LOL. I would rather get $50 per dance which is what I get paid at my club. I wont lower the price coz it's the club price and because I'm worth way more than that (thank you for saying so Lysondra).
If you can make $50/dance then that's awesome. But please don't take offense if I, personally, wouldn't be very likely to spend $50 on a short dance. Other guys feel different and that's fine, too.

Am I allowed to ask how much you bring in in a year?


Interesting that u bring up currency differences, I fail to see your point here.
It was just a small bit of sarcasm, but never mind.


But u go back to believing that dancers dance for u for pure enjoyment. You should just ask them to do it for free coz u r so amazing.
I don't believe that. They do it for the money, and many are probably repulsed by the men they dance for.

A strip club is a place of business. The girls are there to make money. I get that, but I hope you respect that for me, I'm personally not into the whole paying for a dance from a girl that has no interest in me. I just prefer doing things like injecting steroids, lifting, and flirting with girls for free. But hey, maybe if my situation was different I'd feel differently.

CKXXX
10-01-2008, 04:35 PM
A strip club is a place of business. The girls are there to make money. I get that, but I hope you respect that for me, I'm personally not into the whole paying for a dance from a girl that has no interest in me. I just prefer doing things like injecting steroids, lifting, and flirting with girls for free. But hey, maybe if my situation was different I'd feel differently.

Then I hope you never come into a club I'm working at...flirting with the girls for free when you acknowledge that they are there to make money?? Lame.

VeraLynn
10-01-2008, 08:05 PM
Then I hope you never come into a club I'm working at...flirting with the girls for free when you acknowledge that they are there to make money?? Lame.

Tell me about it. He sounds like one of those guys who comes in and is "too cool" to be in a strip club, doesn't need to pay for girls to flirt with him... yet doesn't have a valid reason as to why he's there anyway.

UtahMike
10-01-2008, 08:14 PM
I'll never get a blowjob.
Sigh.



I wish I had a penis.

I think I prefer you without one. Jenny, you may not have a penis, but you sure got balls!

grindonme
10-02-2008, 08:33 AM
Tell me about it. He sounds like one of those guys who comes in and is "too cool" to be in a strip club, doesn't need to pay for girls to flirt with him... yet doesn't have a valid reason as to why he's there anyway.

I always ask this question on messageboards were guys say this and never get a answer:D

whitelight97402
10-02-2008, 10:42 AM
Tell me about it. He sounds like one of those guys who comes in and is "too cool" to be in a strip club, doesn't need to pay for girls to flirt with him... yet doesn't have a valid reason as to why he's there anyway.

I found this on you tube a few months ago and this expert guy says that if you want to get strippers to date/sleep with you then you should never tip and you should act like it is a regular bar.

there are a bunch of advice columns like this, I wonder if it is why alot of guys behave this way....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_4MYh7HsVI&feature=related

jessica0585
10-02-2008, 11:56 AM
^^^haha at the video. thats one way to not date a stripper. i would never talk to a customer for longer than 10 min even on a slow night if he didnt start forking over the cash

Otoki
10-02-2008, 01:00 PM
Lemme guess. This is one of those WONDERFUL customers that says"Come back during the special" Ugh. I hate them.
YESSSSSSSSSS! Holy shit, I mean, really? I can come back to specifically do REALLY CHEAP DANCES for you? SCORE!

Otoki
10-02-2008, 01:05 PM
Ladies, ten dollar dances are not that bad. I do them all night when I am not in the CR. They are an easy sale.
Which is great, except this is in a "high mileage" club. That means the girls are doing a lot more than just dancing for a customer. At the very least, EVERYTHING is being groped.

lemmiwinks31
10-02-2008, 01:12 PM
I'm personally not into the whole paying for a dance from a girl that has no interest in me. I just prefer doing things like injecting steroids, lifting, and flirting with girls for free. But hey, maybe if my situation was different I'd feel differently.


lol.....this HAS to be sarcasm.....doesnt it? Could anyone possibly think that injecting steroids is "cool"?.....that it would make him LESS of a PL than the original poster?

taken in the context of the rest of his posts.........it may not be.......




and that just makes me smile.....

Otoki
10-02-2008, 01:15 PM
lol.....this HAS to be sarcasm.....doesnt it? Could anyone possibly think that injecting steroids is "cool"?.....that it would make him LESS of a PL than the original poster?

taken in the context of the rest of his posts.........it may not be.......




and that just makes me smile.....
I was thinking the same thing...

lemmiwinks31
10-02-2008, 01:23 PM
I was thinking the same thing...


It was totally unrelated to the topic.......he could have just said the part about flirting with girls for free.....but no......



Steroids and Dumbells
And shriveled up testes
Looking in the mirror to
Check out my huge chest-ees

Thinking about all the chicks my muscles will bring
These are a few of my favorite things


Is that Sound of Music or Mary Poppins?

CKXXX
10-02-2008, 03:39 PM
lol.....this HAS to be sarcasm.....doesnt it? Could anyone possibly think that injecting steroids is "cool"?.....that it would make him LESS of a PL than the original poster?

taken in the context of the rest of his posts.........it may not be.......




and that just makes me smile.....

I know right?? Because shriveled balls,crappy endurance and inexplicable bouts of rage are just SO cool!!!:O

mranak
10-02-2008, 05:06 PM
Then I hope you never come into a club I'm working at...flirting with the girls for free when you acknowledge that they are there to make money?? Lame.


Tell me about it. He sounds like one of those guys who comes in and is "too cool" to be in a strip club, doesn't need to pay for girls to flirt with him... yet doesn't have a valid reason as to why he's there anyway.

I totally understand why you wouldn't want me to come to your club, and accordingly I don't.

I suppose that most guys on this forum probably do frequent the clubs. I don't and I'm not saying it is because I'm "too cool" but it just isn't my thing.

If you can't respect that, then I'll have to get over it.

And to be even more clear, I'm not saying that you don't deserve money for what you do. You provide a service and of course, compensation should be expected. Frankly, I think that some of the club owners are screwing you'all over based on what I've heard but that's another subject.

My original point, several posts back, was that I wouldn't put down a girl for dancing for $10/song. Maybe you think it is lame but I think that in certain situations especially it can make a lot of sense and bring in pretty good money. If any of you are too good for a $10 dance then fine; I'm not trying to convince you to do otherwise. I just don't think it is "lame" if you do beside to do a dance or strip or whatever you call it for $10.

mranak
10-02-2008, 05:28 PM
lol.....this HAS to be sarcasm.....doesnt it? Could anyone possibly think that injecting steroids is "cool"?.....that it would make him LESS of a PL than the original poster?

taken in the context of the rest of his posts.........it may not be.......




and that just makes me smile.....


It was totally unrelated to the topic.......he could have just said the part about flirting with girls for free.....but no......



Steroids and Dumbells
And shriveled up testes
Looking in the mirror to
Check out my huge chest-ees

Thinking about all the chicks my muscles will bring
These are a few of my favorite things


Is that Sound of Music or Mary Poppins?

You're extrapolating something from my post that I didn't say. And you are also assuming the reason why I use steroids.

But I'm happy to clear things up, for example:

I'm prescribed testosterone for a legitimate medical purpose
Testicular shrinkage can occur in some men, but there is an easy remedy to that problem using a hormone called hCG.
I'm not a body builder. The primary purpose that I lift is not to get bigger muscles. Frankly, I think that most women prefer the athletic look.
I do lift because I enjoy it and I enjoy becoming stronger and because I feel better


I know so many guys that use steroids and their girls haven't a clue because of the stereotypes, the vast majority of which aren't true.

What have I not ever used? illegal recreational drugs. Not once.

By the way, in my world, PL stand for something else: Power Lifter. Power lifting has nothing to do with physique but instead has to do with getting the best numbers possible on bench, deadlifts and squats. Whereas a lot of guys spend their time in the gym doing curls for the girls, power lifters focus their efforts elsewhere.

Why did I even mention steroids though? Well, it was kind of a test to see if any of you would call me out for doing something that society shuns. I accept and even appreciate what many of you do and I was curious if you would give the same respect in return.

Hell, I'm even being called out for politely flirting with a girl once in a while.

But hey, no dirt on my shoulders.

You know, a lot of guys would ridicule me for being so respectful of strippers. But instead of dropping to that level, I came here and tried to make some respectful posts for purposes of discussion. Even when respectfully sharing my perspectve, I get attacked in response. Are you really understand to have a discussion or even a minor difference of opinion without naming calling and such?

mranak
10-02-2008, 05:34 PM
I know right?? Because shriveled balls,crappy endurance and inexplicable bouts of rage are just SO cool!!!:O

Ball shrinkage can be avoided by using hCG
There is one steroid that can fuck up endurance and that steroid is trenbolone. Just because somebody uses steroids doesn't mean they use trenbolone.
The inexplicable bouts of rage of simply not true. Those of us that use steroids laugh about it because what the media portrays is so ridiculous.

For a long time, there wasn't any official information on this subject but they finally did a proper medical study and the study found no increase in aggressive behavior from steroid use.

But there is something we like to say about this subject: steroids do make an asshole a bigger asshole. We're referring to the guys that are complete assholes, and then they use steroids, get big, and maybe even blame the steroids for their being an asshole when in truth, they're just a asshole regardless of the steroids.

CKXXX
10-02-2008, 08:16 PM
If you dont even go to strip clubs...why the hell are you on a stripper message board??? And I've personally seen roid rage...dont act like it doesnt exist

mranak
10-02-2008, 08:39 PM
If you dont even go to strip clubs...why the hell are you on a stripper message board???
Strippers can be intriguing people I guess.

It's interesting that I've tried to have some pretty simple discussion and been attacked in response rather than having a respectful discussion.

I certainly haven't put any of you down like so many other men would have.

And I've personally seen roid rage...dont act like it doesnt exist

I've chatted with literally thousands of men and even some women that have used steroids. I've spend hours conversing with physician experts about steroids. I've read tons of study data. And roid rage is a myth.

If you believe you are more qualified on the matter, then I welcome you to sign up over at http://steroidology.com/forum and make a post about your viewpoint and back it up. The leadership over there is pretty good about ensuring a fair discussion takes place.

Of note, I'm the person taking steroids here and yet I'm not the one on the offense making attacks. ;)

CKXXX
10-02-2008, 09:21 PM
if you arent in the biz and you arent even a customer...you dont really have a place here. Maybe you should stick to another board.

And "strippers" arent intriguing people. Some intriguing people happen to be strippers. We arent all the same..

Otoki
10-03-2008, 12:46 AM
It was totally unrelated to the topic.......he could have just said the part about flirting with girls for free.....but no......



Steroids and Dumbells
And shriveled up testes
Looking in the mirror to
Check out my huge chest-ees

Thinking about all the chicks my muscles will bring
These are a few of my favorite things


Is that Sound of Music or Mary Poppins?
Sound of Music, the adult version}:D

Otoki
10-03-2008, 12:48 AM
And "strippers" arent intriguing people. Some intriguing people happen to be strippers. We arent all the same..
Ooh, good catch!

Otoki
10-03-2008, 12:51 AM
I totally understand why you wouldn't want me to come to your club, and accordingly I don't.

I suppose that most guys on this forum probably do frequent the clubs. I don't and I'm not saying it is because I'm "too cool" but it just isn't my thing.

If you can't respect that, then I'll have to get over it.

And to be even more clear, I'm not saying that you don't deserve money for what you do. You provide a service and of course, compensation should be expected. Frankly, I think that some of the club owners are screwing you'all over based on what I've heard but that's another subject.

My original point, several posts back, was that I wouldn't put down a girl for dancing for $10/song. Maybe you think it is lame but I think that in certain situations especially it can make a lot of sense and bring in pretty good money. If any of you are too good for a $10 dance then fine; I'm not trying to convince you to do otherwise. I just don't think it is "lame" if you do beside to do a dance or strip or whatever you call it for $10.
Dude, for the last motherfucking time:
The beef most of us have with THIS PARTICULAR GIRL doing $10 dances is that she works in a high contact club. In other words, she'd be doing stuff for $10 that I would never do for any amount of money, and she wouldn't need to do this shit if she worked in a decent club.

My club does $10 dance night, and I do ok. However, my club is extremely strict, and I would never expect a girl to do contact dances for anything less than 20 bucks IN HER POCKET. That chick is selling herself short.

The end.

AznExtasy
10-03-2008, 09:43 AM
And roid rage is a myth.



This is a huge slap in the face to any family that has to deal with the grief of losing a loved one to roid rage. Every drug has side effects, and they may or may NOT occur in everybody. This does NOT mean it does not exist. For you to disqualify the experiences of victims and their families is taking a huge leap backwards.

whitelight97402
10-03-2008, 10:54 AM
I suppose that most guys on this forum probably do frequent the clubs. I don't and I'm not saying it is because I'm "too cool" but it just isn't my thing.


I call bullshit, you are just trying not to seem arogant.

How do you have so many opinions on everything if you aren't even a regular? Do you try to pick up dancers with the 'I never go to the clubs and I respect you too much to tip you' ?

I just don't see how a guy who doesn't go to the clubs has opinions on management and price of dances etc...

whitelight97402
10-03-2008, 10:55 AM
If you dont even go to strip clubs...why the hell are you on a stripper message board??? And I've personally seen roid rage...dont act like it doesnt exist

yeah really, good point, lol, what is up with that...

mranak
10-03-2008, 01:05 PM
This is a huge slap in the face to any family that has to deal with the grief of losing a loved one to roid rage. Every drug has side effects, and they may or may NOT occur in everybody. This does NOT mean it does not exist. For you to disqualify the experiences of victims and their families is taking a huge leap backwards.
lol. The premise is wrong, thus invalidating your argument.

Lots of people blame things where the blame doesn't belong. It is a joke among those that really understand steroids that they can do whatever they want and claim, "it wasn't me! The steroids made me do it!"

mranak
10-03-2008, 01:16 PM
I call bullshit, you are just trying not to seem arogant.

How do you have so many opinions on everything if you aren't even a regular? Do you try to pick up dancers with the 'I never go to the clubs and I respect you too much to tip you' ?

I just don't see how a guy who doesn't go to the clubs has opinions on management and price of dances etc...

I'll be completely honest here. It would be nice if you'all could let me tell you the truth and not mock me for it, or call me a name, or whatever, but I'm skeptical.

~10 years ago, age 19, on a business trip to Ottawa, I went to a few strip clubs that guys working in the Ottawa office brought me to. I remember that the dances there were really really cheap. I guess the exchange rate was favorable at the time, but even with that I was a bit surprised. And many of the dancers were very beautiful girls.
I've known a few strippers. But I'm not saying I picked up a stripper. One girl in particular I've known since we were kids. When she did dance, she told me various things about it.
I read the sticky in one of the forums on this board made to help girls new to the business. It was informative.

CKXXX
10-03-2008, 02:01 PM
^^none of that means you should be on this board. A cpl visits a decade ago and knowing a cpl girls does not mean you should hang out and post on a stripper board.And it ESPECIALLY does not mean that your advice is needed,wanted or relevant.

You should find somewhere else to hang out...this isn the place for you. And I dont have any idea why you would think it was.

lemmiwinks31
10-03-2008, 02:14 PM
You're extrapolating something from my post that I didn't say. And you are also assuming the reason why I use steroids.

But I'm happy to clear things up, for example:

I'm prescribed testosterone for a legitimate medical purpose
Testicular shrinkage can occur in some men, but there is an easy remedy to that problem using a hormone called hCG.
I'm not a body builder. The primary purpose that I lift is not to get bigger muscles. Frankly, I think that most women prefer the athletic look.
I do lift because I enjoy it and I enjoy becoming stronger and because I feel better

Oh...sorry....I thought you were talking about things you liked to do..and mentioned injecting steroids as one of those things....I didnt know it was for medical purposes......i will re-read your post...


"I'm personally not into the whole paying for a dance from a girl that has no interest in me. I just prefer doing things like injecting steroids, lifting, and flirting with girls for free."

Oh....yeah...I was way off base.

lemmiwinks31
10-03-2008, 02:17 PM
By the way, in my world, PL stand for something else: Power Lifter. Power lifting has nothing to do with physique but instead has to do with getting the best numbers possible on bench, deadlifts and squats. Whereas a lot of guys spend their time in the gym doing curls for the girls, power lifters focus their efforts elsewhere.



beefcake!

BEEEEFCAAAKEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!