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mranak
10-03-2008, 06:31 PM
^^none of that means you should be on this board. A cpl visits a decade ago and knowing a cpl girls does not mean you should hang out and post on a stripper board.And it ESPECIALLY does not mean that your advice is needed,wanted or relevant.

You should find somewhere else to hang out...this isn the place for you. And I dont have any idea why you would think it was.
Is there a rule that I shouldn't be here? If the administrator wants me to leave, I'll certainly respect that.

But assuming otherwise, I think I'll make my own decisions about what forums I visit, thanks very much.

Jenny
10-03-2008, 07:49 PM
Is there a rule that I shouldn't be here? If the administrator wants me to leave, I'll certainly respect that.

But assuming otherwise, I think I'll make my own decisions about what forums I visit, thanks very much.
I think we still ask customers to exert some common sense on what and where they post. This is, in theory, a professional support forum and as such we expect posts from customers to be "stripper friendly". If you find that burden to be too onerous this is not the appropriate place for you. For example we do not welcome customers coming here to "test" us as per below.

Thank you
Jenny

yoda57us
10-03-2008, 08:16 PM
I found this on you tube a few months ago and this expert guy says that if you want to get strippers to date/sleep with you then you should never tip and you should act like it is a regular bar.

there are a bunch of advice columns like this, I wonder if it is why alot of guys behave this way....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_4MYh7HsVI&feature=related

Yeah I've been reading this BS as well for years on strip club boards and it boggles my mind. I don't "date" dancers but I've made friends with an awful lot of them and seen them socially. I never broke the ice with any of them by NOT spending money, NOT tipping or NOT buying dances.

Lysondra
10-03-2008, 08:19 PM
See.. what gets me is doing that makes me think you're cheap.. why would I want to DATE a cheap man? So he can itemize our dinner bill?

CKXXX
10-03-2008, 10:36 PM
I think we still ask customers to exert some common sense on what and where they post. This is, in theory, a professional support forum and as such we expect posts from customers to be "stripper friendly". If you find that burden to be too onerous this is not the appropriate place for you. For example we do not welcome customers coming here to "test" us as per below.

Thank you
Jenny

exactly...except he isnt even a customer....he doesnt go to strip clubs. SO why the HELL would he have a place here?

UtahMike
10-04-2008, 12:57 PM
I've never put anyone on ignore, but I am tempted in this case.

AznExtasy
10-04-2008, 01:16 PM
Mranak is the type of PL that likes to argue for the hell of it. For those who become courageous through the internet, "putting others in their place" lets them obtain a sense of accomplishment rarely felt in real life.

Bob_Loblaw
10-04-2008, 05:05 PM
~10 years ago, age 19, on a business trip to Ottawa, I went to a few strip clubs that guys working in the Ottawa office brought me to. I remember that the dances there were really really cheap. I guess the exchange rate was favorable at the time, but even with that I was a bit surprised. And many of the dancers were very beautiful girls.
I've known a few strippers. But I'm not saying I picked up a stripper. One girl in particular I've known since we were kids. When she did dance, she told me various things about it.
I read the sticky in one of the forums on this board made to help girls new to the business. It was informative. Oh please write a book. I would totally buy it.

callah44
10-04-2008, 08:24 PM
I found this on you tube a few months ago and this expert guy says that if you want to get strippers to date/sleep with you then you should never tip and you should act like it is a regular bar.

there are a bunch of advice columns like this, I wonder if it is why alot of guys behave this way....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_4MYh7HsVI&feature=related


IMO nothing screams LOSER louder than this attitude...probably the easiest way to get a very snide and sarcastic comment from me when typically Im nice to all customers. Lol...ridiculous.

Rockell
10-04-2008, 11:31 PM
IMO nothing screams LOSER louder than this attitude...probably the easiest way to get a very snide and sarcastic comment from me when typically Im nice to all customers. Lol...ridiculous.

LOL exactly. I am not at work to meet guys to date/sleep with. I'm there to make money, and guys with this attitude are a waste of my time. I don't even give them the time of day. The very few guys that I have slept with or dated that I met at work have been ones that left GOOD impressions by tipping especially well and by being very complimentary and sweet.

jaizaine
10-05-2008, 06:14 AM
Am I allowed to ask how much you bring in in a year?




sure ask away. i'm not going to answer tho. i dont care that u wouldn't pay $50 for a dance, I dont dance for cheap men anyway.


i do find it totally amusing that you dont go to clubs tho. you are SO CHEAP that u by-pass the clubs and talk to strippers for free on a stripper msg board. you have taken PL to a whole new level.

misspthesweetesttaboo
10-05-2008, 09:42 AM
beefcake!

BEEEEFCAAAKEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:rotfl:

misspthesweetesttaboo
10-05-2008, 09:44 AM
you are SO CHEAP that u by-pass the clubs and talk to strippers for free on a stripper msg board. you have taken PL to a whole new level.

:D

that makes so much sense

lemmiwinks31
10-06-2008, 01:19 PM
Mranak is the type of PL that likes to argue for the hell of it. For those who become courageous through the internet, "putting others in their place" lets them obtain a sense of accomplishment rarely felt in real life.


PL????.....I think you must have missed the part where he says that he is a power lifter.

Fenriswolf
10-06-2008, 05:05 PM
Wow, this thread sure got weird! This guy has to be taking the piss. "I enjoy doing things like injecting steroids-"?! What kind of reaction do you expect?

And don't go all "roid rage isn't real, you just don't know!" like no one here could possibly have personal experience with it. My partner was into bodybuilding casually for nearly 20 years and he saw plenty of his training partners change when they started using steroids. It's not even really debateable ::)

Golden_Rule
10-06-2008, 05:30 PM
$3/30 means that you're not a big spender and that she's putting in a minimal effort to humor you. Since you're not going to make or break her night there's no reason to keep talking to you if she deeems that her efforts aren't worth what you're giving her. For example: there's this guy that comes in to my club, and yeah, i know he'll give me $100, but I know that I have to spend like 45 min talking to him. That to me is not worth it so I decided to just ignore him and let the slower hustlers have him.

Money is money.

If 3/30 is the way it works there than it works that way for everyone and that probably wasn't the causative factor.

This was, most likely, simply a matter of better options facing off.

She could have seen him, as she said she would have, or done something else which suited her better at the moment.

We all know that in situations such as this, with dancers such as these, they don't actually care what promises may have been made to what people. They promise managers they will work that day, they get a call from a club they think they can make more money in, they blow off said manager and leave him/her stranded for a dancer. They promise to meet a customer, another better paying gig comes along, a friend calls, hell - maybe she decides she'd rather wash her hair, POOF! - bye-bye custie.

I am NOT saying that shouldn't be the case. Customers have to realize under such circumstances they are purchasing a pig-in-a-poke and they get what they get, which can frequently be nothing. The dancer knows you don't have any high minded goals. You want to get into her pants and maybe are willing to pay for the privilege so she doesn't feel any loyalty to you or a need to keep any word you might think she have given you. [Though as a manager myself I do feel differently about dancers blowing off work they have scheduled themselves for]

She knows it is very likely that if you bumped into another dancer who was prettier and more willing then she you'd have been the one to forgo the meeting in favor of a better prospect. [come on, admit it]

So PL69, realize that this is the roll of the dice you undertake with such situations and that more times than not you aren't making your point, you are shooting out. [craps, you loose]

It is simply the nature of the particular game you decided to play.

Golden_Rule
10-06-2008, 05:41 PM
Even though she may have said she was "open" to the idea of going to your house and boinking you for your hard earned pennies.... she probably wasn't.

Sophia, I find that if a dancer is going to say she is willing to do extras, on site or off, she is willing to do extras [at least at the time she said it]. Why admit to what will be perceived as a desire to do that of at the time if you have no intention of going there. It gains the dancer nothing. Is it not, for an experienced dancer, less of a hassle to simply say you don't go there than to suggest you do extras and then not follow through?

Just the fall out of it getting around, the source being attributed to her own words, that she is an extras provider and having to deal with the fall out from that makes that a bad play in the PITA department.

What happens, as I am sure you know, is that sometimes its a novice who thought it was a good idea at the time and then rethinks it, or more often than not something better came along.

Golden_Rule
10-06-2008, 05:45 PM
3/30 GOOD GOD I don't think I could handle it.

I hate to say it but tough times are coming.

3/30 may not sound so bad this time next year in smaller venues with low draws.

{shudder}

Fasten your seat belt because its going to be a bumpy ride for folks who make money in ventures that depend on others disposable income, like all manner of entertainment [including adult].

Of course there will be those doing well at the very top of the food chain. There are always those with money who want to be entertained, but even they will begin to demand more for the dollar they spend.

Its going to get ugly for awhile.

Golden_Rule
10-06-2008, 05:51 PM
^Not just the industry...PL is not used by strippers ITC. It's used HERE.
For once, I agree with you.

Feh!.

We were using "PL" back on ASS-C on Usenet twenty+ years ago.

It is hardly new or a SW invention.

soslow2
10-06-2008, 07:49 PM
Holly Shit are you cheap and insulting too. # 1 spend some money man will ya and # 2 show some respect. As far as why look for the thread 'Please Explain Why'. Brutal honesty from these lovely women but it's the system. You're playing their game. I was but with their help I've turned it around and taken the pressure of Fantasy thinking out of my brain. Her loss and 'NEW' women to enjoy. But Jesus guy ya gotta spend some money there sparky. It ain't easy work for them.
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Otoki
10-07-2008, 08:26 PM
Feh!.

We were using "PL" back on ASS-C on Usenet twenty+ years ago.

It is hardly new or a SW invention.
I don't think Brendita was claiming it as an SW invention, just that girls don't go around in clubs saying that.

Perry
10-07-2008, 11:26 PM
I would like to point out that this particular PL is special. He's different from the other 247 guys that have come here asking the same damn question. He comes - not playing the guitar - but as a steroid user.

THAT clearly seperates him from the hundreds of other douche bags we get on this board and in our clubs. He's clearly noteworthy and deserveing of our attention. So important and steroid-ridden that he ought to get our input and advice for free. In fact, we should be gratefull that this "can't-pass-a-piss-test-never-goes-to-strip-clubs" dude is here. Providing us with... exactly what I can't remember. But YEAH! Rock on dude!

lemmiwinks31
10-08-2008, 03:06 PM
Providing us with... exactly what I can't remember. But YEAH! Rock on dude!


Well...I bet he will flex for you if you beg him.....you know you want it....

Otoki
10-09-2008, 08:04 AM
See.. what gets me is doing that makes me think you're cheap.. why would I want to DATE a cheap man? So he can itemize our dinner bill?
Well, YEAH! I mean, doesn't it turn you on, as a fellow jew-ish girl, to have a guy prove he's frugal?

mediocrity
10-10-2008, 03:49 PM
You are at a trashy 3/$30 high mileage club and you expect quality?:rotfl:

My thoughts exactly!

So far as the blowing off thing though. I had quite a few awesome regulars for awhile at my last club. I would give them my email address, they would give their phone number. I would call them to chat, of course, but primarily, to get them into the club to spend money. I have never met a customer outside of work, though I have reluctantly agreed to it once or twice, and then claimed to be busy because it gives me a bad feeling. I have also "agreed" to go to a hotel, asked for half the $ up front as a "deposit" and then blown them off and bolted with the money. Why? Because if you're naive enough to trust me, I am smart enough to take it. (I never did this with locals, only with very pushy out of towners.)

Here's the thing. I dont want a relationship outside the club, and many expect that. I figure a dancer+regular is a business relationship, not a personal one. It's about money, not kissy-face lovey dovey, or getting to have sex with her. She may feel the same way as I do but feel obligated to promise SOMETHING to keep you on the hook.

The again, I have a very long term live-in boy. So it may be different to me.

Golden_Rule
10-11-2008, 02:24 PM
I have also "agreed" to go to a hotel, asked for half the $ up front as a "deposit" and then blown them off and bolted with the money. Why? Because if you're naive enough to trust me, I am smart enough to take it. (I never did this with locals, only with very pushy out of towners.)



I am NOT advocating this as an appropriate reaction to what you are suggesting but do you know how many times in twenty-five years of being a police detective in a major city in the north-east I've done investigations on assaults on both prostitutes and dancers which began precisely with the dry hustle you describe above?

That is a VERY dangerous variation to a game that already is more dangerous than many. ESPECIALLY with out of towners who know they aren't readily identified because they aren't from the area the crime took place in and won't be staying around long.

There are enough crazy men out there who hurt sex workers in general without enticing one of them by pissing them off, giving them a reason to act out.

Be safe. The life you save may be your own.

Wishing well...

mediocrity
10-11-2008, 03:27 PM
I am NOT advocating this as an appropriate reaction to what you are suggesting but do you know how many times in twenty-five years of being a police detective in a major city in the north-east I've done investigations on assaults on both prostitutes and dancers which began precisely with the dry hustle you describe above?

That is a VERY dangerous variation to a game that already is more dangerous than many. ESPECIALLY with out of towners who know they aren't readily identified because they aren't from the area the crime took place in and won't be staying around long.

There are enough crazy men out there who hurt sex workers in general without enticing one of them by pissing them off, giving them a reason to act out.

Be safe. The life you save may be your own.

Wishing well...

It's not something I have done more than a handful of times, and it's always been with foreigners, truthfully. Like the pushy group of Japanese businessmen who just wouldnt let it go.

Trust me, this is not an everyday practice for me.

Otoki
10-13-2008, 09:48 PM
It's not something I have done more than a handful of times, and it's always been with foreigners, truthfully. Like the pushy group of Japanese businessmen who just wouldnt let it go.

Trust me, this is not an everyday practice for me.
Ah, the Japanese businessmen. I thought they would like me, but I was so wrong. Also, they're the most consistently handsy group, in my book.

mediocrity
10-14-2008, 04:01 PM
Ah, the Japanese businessmen. I thought they would like me, but I was so wrong. Also, they're the most consistently handsy group, in my book.

Yeah, they are. I always try and give them the benefit of the doubt, then the stereotype ends up proving true.

I thought they would like you as well, seeming as you speak the language and all!

Otoki
10-15-2008, 02:21 AM
Yeah, they are. I always try and give them the benefit of the doubt, then the stereotype ends up proving true.

I thought they would like you as well, seeming as you speak the language and all!
I think they like that I speak the language, but they want a more "exotic" (read: Barbie) type of girl.

bsteve
10-28-2008, 08:57 PM
I have also "agreed" to go to a hotel, asked for half the $ up front as a "deposit" and then blown them off and bolted with the money. Why? Because if you're naive enough to trust me, I am smart enough to take it. (I never did this with locals, only with very pushy out of towners.)


Ouch! Please say that this is not so! :'(

Look, what you are doing is ripping people off. Pure and simple. You are a business person, where you provide service for potential clients. If you do not want to do what they ask you for, then do not do it and do not agree to do it. If you take the money, then follow up through it. This is pretty simple, no?

How would you feel if you send half the money up front to a contractor to remodel your bathroom, and he said: if mediocrity is naive to trust me, then I am smart enough to take it.

How would you feel if you paid for an airline ticket up front, and the airline told you: if mediocrity is naive to trust an airline, then the airline is smart enough to take it.

Or how would you feel if a customer "agreed" to a dance, you dance, and afterward he told you: "Mediocrity, if you are so naive to trust me, then I as a customer am smart enough to let you dance for me for free."

Or am I missing something?

Otoki
10-29-2008, 01:29 AM
Ouch! Please say that this is not so! :'(

Look, what you are doing is ripping people off. Pure and simple. You are a business person, where you provide service for potential clients. If you do not want to do what they ask you for, then do not do it and do not agree to do it. If you take the money, then follow up through it. This is pretty simple, no?

How would you feel if you send half the money up front to a contractor to remodel your bathroom, and he said: if mediocrity is naive to trust me, then I am smart enough to take it.

How would you feel if you paid for an airline ticket up front, and the airline told you: if mediocrity is naive to trust an airline, then the airline is smart enough to take it.

Or how would you feel if a customer "agreed" to a dance, you dance, and afterward he told you: "Mediocrity, if you are so naive to trust me, then I as a customer am smart enough to let you dance for me for free."

Or am I missing something?
Meh. I can see where you're coming from, but guys who are disrespectful enough to insist that a dancer fuck them kind of have it coming, in my mind. Then again, I have no patience for stupid people.

whitelight97402
10-29-2008, 01:16 PM
Ouch! Please say that this is not so! :'(

Look, what you are doing is ripping people off. Pure and simple. You are a business person, where you provide service for potential clients. If you do not want to do what they ask you for, then do not do it and do not agree to do it. If you take the money, then follow up through it. This is pretty simple, no?

How would you feel if you send half the money up front to a contractor to remodel your bathroom, and he said: if mediocrity is naive to trust me, then I am smart enough to take it.

How would you feel if you paid for an airline ticket up front, and the airline told you: if mediocrity is naive to trust an airline, then the airline is smart enough to take it.

Or how would you feel if a customer "agreed" to a dance, you dance, and afterward he told you: "Mediocrity, if you are so naive to trust me, then I as a customer am smart enough to let you dance for me for free."

Or am I missing something?

My first response is to agree, it reminds me of this thread:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70501

At the same time, I get her frustration a bunch of grabby foreigners unwilling to take 'no' for an answer. Finally, just saying, fuck 'em give me your money, i'll see you in an hour. It has got to wear on the soul to have a bunch of disrespectful men assume you want to whore for them.

tend to land with Otoki,


Meh. I can see where you're coming from, but guys who are disrespectful enough to insist that a dancer fuck them kind of have it coming, in my mind. Then again, I have no patience for stupid people.

Otoki
10-30-2008, 12:58 AM
^^I especially feel ethically ambivalent because these guys are insisting that someone both break the law and do something they don't want to do (if you have to insist, the other person obviously isn't enthusiastic). I guess two wrongs don't make a right, but somehow I can't muster a shred of sympathy for these guys.

mediocrity
10-30-2008, 03:22 AM
Meh. I can see where you're coming from, but guys who are disrespectful enough to insist that a dancer fuck them kind of have it coming, in my mind. Then again, I have no patience for stupid people.

Exactly. I even elaborated that it is only when guys are super-insistent, and push my buttons.

mediocrity
10-30-2008, 02:57 PM
Have you ever ripped off a customer who was hounding you for dances for a lower price than the "regular price" of dances or was it always customers who wanted sexual favors?

You certainly have a one track mind, don't you.

whitelight97402
10-30-2008, 04:19 PM
In all these years, I can only think of one time where I got ripped off by a dancer, I was 23, 13 years ago, dam. In New Orleans for Jazz Fest. I was a super niave kid, grew up very rural, I didn't even know about strip clubs or porn or escorts until shortly before that point, basically the religious kid who gets into the real world and starts running wild, lol.

The whole night is super blurry; I was way way drunk; which makes me think I was acting like a complete jack ass and had it coming.

My first night in a strip club ever. A Sexy blond sits in my lap, taxi dancing, I'm spun with her, she says she wants to party with us (her suggestion) and I was excited to have this hottie along with us, she says she needs to make $80.00 before she can leave, I give her the cash and she leaves for the dressing room. yep, i was a naive youngster, lol.

It is blurry what happened next, I think we waited for a bit, asked the bouncer where she went, he didn't know, yeah right. Regardless, we had so much fun that night, I never really had a chance to get pissed, oddly I feel like she did me a favor, like an $80 reality check, which is a pretty good deal when you think about it.

hl1986
10-30-2008, 07:02 PM
Here's your problem: describing her as 'not disgusting.' That's just shitty.

AMEN ;)

hl1986
10-30-2008, 07:15 PM
I'll tell you what surprises me. Well, it doesn't anymore. I've always worked as a professional and I have always been able to find something satisfying about my work, at least a part of it. Earning money becomes more and more a big part as I grow older, but it has never been all that work was about. But I don't try to spend the least amount of time I can and put out the least amount of work. Instead I try to do the best job I can within the amount of time given me to do it.

I'm not saying any stripper should or can do that. I'm just giving you a perspective on other types of work that pay well too. and maybe why they pay well.


Ya know, I'm new here. On another thread, I commented about your statements, and FBR responded. I then clarified the point I had originally been trying to make. BUT, I gotta say - I can't seem to find a single comment of yours that I am not irritated by. Not in a "big" way, but in a "god, he has no clue WHAT he's talking about, (roll eyes)" kinda way.

:banghead: YOU CAN'T COMPARE ANY OTHER JOB IN THE WORLD (YUP, THE WORLD) WITH A JOB IN THE SEX INDUSTRY. The rules are not the same. If I wasn't exhausted from having spent the last five hours trying to keep old men's hands from pinching my nipples, I would try and explain why. But since I have, I will simply say: "You are wrong".

bsteve
10-30-2008, 10:07 PM
:banghead: YOU CAN'T COMPARE ANY OTHER JOB IN THE WORLD (YUP, THE WORLD) WITH A JOB IN THE SEX INDUSTRY. The rules are not the same.

Actually, although some rules are different, the vast majority of rules for jobs in sex industry are pretty much the same as in other industries.

I've come across people in other industries who say that their job is simply not comparable to other people's jobs. Doctors somehow think that their jobs are somehow special, that they are in an industry where laws of supply and demand somehow do not apply. Attorneys think that their industry is somehow special, because some deal with people's rights, their actions have
somehow more importance then other jobs. Cops think that their jobs are somehow special. Politicians the same thing. Priests think that their jobs are somehow special, because they have a higher power to answer to. And so on.

Sorry, '86, but being a stripper is very similar to other jobs. You sell, customers buy. You are exposed to market forces just like everyone else. You have some wonderful clients, and some awful clients, just like everyone else. You have the IRS to deal with, just like everyone else.

Or am I totally missing what you are trying to say?

threlayer
10-31-2008, 09:35 AM
Actually, although some rules are different, the vast majority of rules for jobs in sex industry are pretty much the same as in other industries...........but being a stripper is very similar to other jobs. You sell, customers buy. You are exposed to market forces just like everyone else. You have some wonderful clients, and some awful clients, just like everyone else. You have the IRS to deal with, just like everyone else.

Every job is different in many ways, and yet they mostly have the same underpinnings. You sell your product or you sell youself doing a service. But I don't know of another industry (given that sex is an industry) where there is so much physical contact of a nature that seems so invasive to many. Surgery is certainly invasive, as is to an extent physical therapy, pharmaceuticals, and food preparation. But stripping in particular is one that allows some people to bring out bad invasive behaviors. On both sides.

threlayer
10-31-2008, 09:43 AM
Ya know, I'm new here. On another thread, I commented about your statements, and FBR responded. I then clarified the point I had originally been trying to make. Look at post #52 in said thread.

BUT, I gotta say - I can't seem to find a single comment of yours that I am not irritated by. Not in a "big" way, but in a "god, he has no clue WHAT he's talking about, (roll eyes)" kinda way....I would try and explain why. But since I have, I will simply say: "You are wrong". As you say, you are new here. Stick around. You'll find some peoples' posts that will annoy you even more than mine. You may even find some of mine that you'll like. And you'll find there is some truth and/or humor in everything I post here. I try to be a poster of helpful insights, not a rabble-rouser or an attention-whore. I think that is recognized by some.

Otoki
11-01-2008, 02:00 PM
Have you ever ripped off a customer who was hounding you for dances for a lower price than the "regular price" of dances or was it always customers who wanted sexual favors?
How would you do that? And how does this relate to the conversation?

Otoki
11-01-2008, 02:06 PM
Maybe so but a customer being ripped off for being reasonable minded with regard to prices would be interesting to read about. I am trying to broaden my horizons.
Good point! I should haggle with my waitstaff about the price of my food, since it's a reasonable minded thing to do.

hl1986
11-02-2008, 12:15 PM
Actually, although some rules are different, the vast majority of rules for jobs in sex industry are pretty much the same as in other industries.

I've come across people in other industries who say that their job is simply not comparable to other people's jobs. Doctors somehow think that their jobs are somehow special, that they are in an industry where laws of supply and demand somehow do not apply. Attorneys think that their industry is somehow special, because some deal with people's rights, their actions have
somehow more importance then other jobs. Cops think that their jobs are somehow special. Politicians the same thing. Priests think that their jobs are somehow special, because they have a higher power to answer to. And so on.

Sorry, '86, but being a stripper is very similar to other jobs. You sell, customers buy. You are exposed to market forces just like everyone else. You have some wonderful clients, and some awful clients, just like everyone else. You have the IRS to deal with, just like everyone else.

Or am I totally missing what you are trying to say?

I think what I was trying to say is that yes, many people think that their job is "different", and for most of them, there ARE aspects that do, indeed make them different. No one who hasn't been a doctor will know what it's like to accidentally miss a tiny spot on a brain scan, and have your patient die two months later. No one who isn't a lawyer will ever understand the pressures of trying to keep a client out of prison when you truly believe them to be innocent (or gulity!! for that matter). And so on.

No job outside of the sex industry, involves a woman having to deal with men grabbing at her nude body, being propositioned for sex, having to negotiate (while naked) how much for a man to do "x" or a man to do "y" or a man to do "x" and "y" together (which we'll call "z" lol). No other job has the same stigma. No other job is coupled with your sexuality to the same extent. No other job requires the secrecy (for many, not all of us) of hiding it from family, friends, and day jobs.

There are pros and cons for every job. But ours, as sex workers carries sooo many different kinds of emotional, sexual and physical drains. Our jobs ARE different from the rest of America's, or we wouldn't be having this conversation. If our jobs weren't diiferent, customer's WOULDN'T BE ON THIS BOARD. Think about it like this: You see a doctor, you've used a lawyer. On this vast internet, I'm SURE that they're many doctor's and lawyer's forums where their industries can chat and socialize. Are you a member there? Do you go on those chat boards and ask WHY they became lawyers, and ask how you can become better clients when seeking their services? Do you go to a lawyer's office, ask them their fees, and then say: "well, the law office down the block charged half that, AND gave me a blow job"?

Bstev, just to clarify (it's so hard to show your attitude when writing) I was not being nasty or sarcastic. I was just trying to make my (rather long winded) point. ;D !

mediocrity
11-02-2008, 03:23 PM
If haggling over the price of dances in strip clubs was not so reasonable, how would you explain why I (and many others) have been so successful in getting the price of dances to where it needs to be?

dude. seriously. LET IT GO. I deal with douchebags like you probably once a week. Broke asses who are trying to get a date, a cheap dance, or to make a dancer feel like crap. Stop baiting everyone. We all get your point.

You DO also realize that at some clubs (including my own) UNDERCUTTING as it is officially called, can be grounds for termination. So in your ridiculous haggling, you could end up costing a girl her job.

hl1986
11-02-2008, 03:27 PM
Look at post #52 in said thread.
As you say, you are new here. Stick around. You'll find some peoples' posts that will annoy you even more than mine. You may even find some of mine that you'll like. And you'll find there is some truth and/or humor in everything I post here. I try to be a poster of helpful insights, not a rabble-rouser or an attention-whore. I think that is recognized by some.

Somehow, #52 has been deleted? :(

Bob_Loblaw
11-02-2008, 03:34 PM
I deal with douchebags like you probably once a week.
You only work once a week? :O

mediocrity
11-02-2008, 03:35 PM
You only work once a week? :O

No, I work more, but in general, I'd say my customers are nice gentlemen that I like a lot. ;D The antithesis of abcd over here.

UtahMike
11-02-2008, 05:27 PM
Your being in Vegas, where most of your customers are tourists and conventioneers, are unlikely to have anyone try to haggle. They are there to spend money, many on expense accounts.

abcd being where ever he is, might well be able to haggle over the price of a dance. If he does, I would bet that the dancers quote him a higher price than they expect and let him talk them down to what they wanted in the first place, maybe more.

That's how I used to sell used cars. First, the customer and I would walk the lot until he or she found the car they loved. Then I would go to the sales manager and get the price or perhaps read the code hidden in the car's sales number. Then while returning to the customer, I would add about ten percent or more to that figure. The customer would talk me down, and I would reluctantly come down. Finally, we would agree on the price, and I would take it back to the sales manager. This price would usually be more than he had quoted to me in the first place.

I made money, the store made money, and the customer was happy because they had talked me down a couple hundred or thousand dollars. The customers I made the most from were the happiest and would ask for me when they came back for another car.

So if abcd really haggles and is happy with what he pays, I bet the dancers are even happier.