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Otoki
11-02-2008, 11:36 PM
If haggling over the price of dances in strip clubs was not so reasonable, how would you explain why I (and many others) have been so successful in getting the price of dances to where it needs to be?
I'm starting to think you're just a troll. Getting the price "where it needs to be"? Are you fucking serious? If you want to bargain, go to the farmer's market. SCs are not the place to do it. If you go to clubs where girls are so desperate they'll lower their prices, I feel bad for them (for being in that environment, and putting up with an asshole who thinks he should get a bargain on their worth as dancers).

Also, as already stated, many clubs will fire girls for undercutting prices. They are usually fixed for a reason, so everyone has a fair chance of making money.

Otoki
11-02-2008, 11:36 PM
You only work once a week? :O
BWAHAHAHAHA!

WIN!

Otoki
11-02-2008, 11:39 PM
abcd being where ever he is, might well be able to haggle over the price of a dance. If he does, I would bet that the dancers quote him a higher price than they expect and let him talk them down to what they wanted in the first place, maybe more.

That's how I used to sell used cars. First, the customer and I would walk the lot until he or she found the car they loved. Then I would go to the sales manager and get the price or perhaps read the code hidden in the car's sales number. Then while returning to the customer, I would add about ten percent or more to that figure. The customer would talk me down, and I would reluctantly come down. Finally, we would agree on the price, and I would take it back to the sales manager. This price would usually be more than he had quoted to me in the first place.

I made money, the store made money, and the customer was happy because they had talked me down a couple hundred or thousand dollars. The customers I made the most from were the happiest and would ask for me when they came back for another car.

So if abcd really haggles and is happy with what he pays, I bet the dancers are even happier.
I doubt this. I've worked in all sorts of clubs, and never found a place where the VIP/dance prices weren't set in stone. Sure, some girls might give deals (and make less than the original profit), but most customers either paid for the services or didn't get them. I doubt girls are quoting higher prices (when a customer should be able to ask any staff and get an answer), in the hopes of getting the actual price for a dance after haggling with a cheap customer.

Selling dances isn't always as flexible as selling cars, and vice versa.

whitelight97402
11-03-2008, 12:37 PM
I certainly hope the dancers are happy. I like being able to get dances at a reasonable price.


you think they are happy after you knock them down in price to $5 an LD? Dude, they aren't happy, they will hate you, on some level hate themselves for agreeing to it and make them want to retire from the business.

Utah, I dig so many of your posts, but comparing lapdances to purchasing used cars is kinda brutal and a bad example. It is closer to going to a Great restaurant with a sexy date and then trying to negotiate the waiter on the price of a bottle of wine, but this same bottle of wine is $15 cheaper at the local grocery store.

Don't get me wrong, I feel like alot of guys when i read on this board about dudes getting taken for thousands of dollars and absurd VIP prices and this sense of empowerment some dancers feel when taking advantage of men. Yet when you go to your local club, where the dancers are sweet, they are there to entertain you and show you a great time, they are trying to make a living and it is just 'ugly' and a buzz kill to start haggling over the cost of dances.

Otoki
11-03-2008, 11:39 PM
you think they are happy after you knock them down in price to $5 an LD? Dude, they aren't happy, they will hate you, on some level hate themselves for agreeing to it and make them want to retire from the business.

Utah, I dig so many of your posts, but comparing lapdances to purchasing used cars is kinda brutal and a bad example. It is closer to going to a Great restaurant with a sexy date and then trying to negotiate the waiter on the price of a bottle of wine, but this same bottle of wine is $15 cheaper at the local grocery store.

Don't get me wrong, I feel like alot of guys when i read on this board about dudes getting taken for thousands of dollars and absurd VIP prices and this sense of empowerment some dancers feel when taking advantage of men. Yet when you go to your local club, where the dancers are sweet, they are there to entertain you and show you a great time, they are trying to make a living and it is just 'ugly' and a buzz kill to start haggling over the cost of dances.
Wow, you managed to sum up my feelings really well. Thanks for posting this.

threlayer
11-04-2008, 01:56 PM
Somehow, #52 has been deleted? :(

No, it's still there. Here it is in this thread... http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1747374#post1747374



Yeah, Mike and Jasmine, you are probably right. It just seems that way. Maybe I am oversensitive to criticism in that area, especially since it is such a foreign behavior to me.
Remember the man-hating era in the 70s? Guess that still haunts me too.

hl1986
11-05-2008, 06:21 AM
if you arent in the biz and you arent even a customer...you dont really have a place here. Maybe you should stick to another board.

And "strippers" arent intriguing people. Some intriguing people happen to be strippers. We arent all the same..

AMEN to the first part and SCORE to the second one.

I just KNOW this is the bozo that sits in the sc drinking Grey Goose, turning down dancers and thinking that by "treating us like normal chicks" our gstrings are gonna get all wet. ::)

hl1986
11-05-2008, 06:28 AM
I'll be completely honest here. It would be nice if you'all could let me tell you the truth and not mock me for it, or call me a name, or whatever, but I'm skeptical.

~10 years ago, age 19, on a business trip to Ottawa, I went to a few strip clubs that guys working in the Ottawa office brought me to. I remember that the dances there were really really cheap. I guess the exchange rate was favorable at the time, but even with that I was a bit surprised. And many of the dancers were very beautiful girls.
I've known a few strippers. But I'm not saying I picked up a stripper. One girl in particular I've known since we were kids. When she did dance, she told me various things about it.
I read the sticky in one of the forums on this board made to help girls new to the business. It was informative.

You read a "sticky", and it was "informative" and now you feel as though you're qualified to comment on stripping?

That's like me saying I just graduated from law school yesterday, I could totally be president of the USA.. ::)

Electrum
11-05-2008, 09:21 AM
Ok I've searched EVERYWHERE and I cannot for the life of me figure out what "PL" (in SW lingo) stands for!?!? I must know!!!!! Tell me please!!!??

threlayer
11-05-2008, 10:40 AM
PL = pathetic loser

a term we cynically use to describe ourselves, coined years ago on the ASS-C newsgroup

Electrum
11-05-2008, 10:43 AM
^^ Ahh thank you so much! Now I may rest at ease.

UtahMike
11-07-2008, 10:28 PM
I was not comparing dancers to used cars.

I was explaining what happens when a customer thinks he is talking a sale down and getting a better deal. I doubt if it happens much in strip clubs.

Otoki
11-10-2008, 12:15 AM
I was not comparing dancers to used cars.

I was explaining what happens when a customer thinks he is talking a sale down and getting a better deal. I doubt if it happens much in strip clubs.
It's definitely happened with girls who are desperate. I just got back from a club with LOTS of bargaining. Fuck that shit.

grindonme
11-10-2008, 11:04 AM
It's definitely happened with girls who are desperate. I just got back from a club with LOTS of bargaining. Fuck that shit.

:O:OSo all that "haggling" stuff abcd is talking about is true? I've had dancers come to me and tell me they charge lower than the set price but never knew customers come in trying to get them to lower it

jasminebg
11-10-2008, 11:49 AM
its cuz in reality you are there to see entertainers entertain and we are there to entertain you...so we and no offense have other lives that are personal and dont want a customer in it..its a rule...in my book atleast..just have fun no number exchanging...atleast for me

Otoki
11-10-2008, 11:56 PM
How did you find out what other dancers were charging for their dances/services ?
Because I was sitting right next to dancers who, upon having a customer say "that's too expensive" or something along those lines, would lower the price. WTF? The club was already getting 7 out of every 20 dollars. Why reduce your cut even more for the sake of making 10 bucks???



:O:OSo all that "haggling" stuff abcd is talking about is true? I've had dancers come to me and tell me they charge lower than the set price but never knew customers come in trying to get them to lower it
Yes. These assholes exist, and some strippers are desperate enough to comply. It pisses me the fuck off. If you don't think you're worth even 20 dollars, go work at a 10 dollar dance club and leave the haggling out of my work space.

Fuck, I'm so glad I was just visiting that damned place. So depressing.

bsteve
11-11-2008, 12:26 AM
Because I was sitting right next to dancers who, upon having a customer say "that's too expensive" or something along those lines, would lower the price. WTF? The club was already getting 7 out of every 20 dollars. Why reduce your cut even more for the sake of making 10 bucks???



Yes. These assholes exist, and some strippers are desperate enough to comply. It pisses me the fuck off. If you don't think you're worth even 20 dollars, go work at a 10 dollar dance club and leave the haggling out of my work space.


Well, I think that negotiating a price is a well established system of pricing of goods and services in a market economy. It makes no sense to get PO'd about it.

If you do not like to negotiate a price, then don't. Don't budge on the price. No big deal.

Personally, I don't negotiate the prices of dances, because I feel that it would get a lower quality service.

Otoki
11-12-2008, 12:32 AM
Personally, I don't negotiate the prices of dances, because I feel that it would get a lower quality service.
I think this is pretty true. I don't know how a dancer could give an enthusiastic dance and have fun when she knows she's dancing for less.

Otoki
11-12-2008, 01:15 PM
Let's put it this way, abcd. If I ever find out you're in my club, I'll have the floor managers remove you before you can piss off ANY of my coworkers by asking them to bargain.

hl1986
11-12-2008, 07:54 PM
ABCD - Duuude.. Don't you get how PATHETIC "haggling over ten or fifteen dollars is? Haggling over ANYTHING is embarrassing. Haggling over what you want to pay a beautiful young creature to grind on your flaccid lap is even more SHAMEFUL.

For FUCK'S SAKE: Be a MAN, pay the price, or, don't go into the gosh darn club. Instead, go get a crackhead to blow you for the five bucks you have budgeted for your month's worth of sexual gratification (I bet you're a sweatpants kinda winner, aren't cha?). Furthermore: WHATEVER DANCERS THAT ARE NEGOTIATING DANCE PRICES: YOU ARE DOING YOURSELF AS WELL AS EVERY OTHER GIRL IN YOUR CLUB AND IN THE COUNTRY A DISSERVICE. STOP IT!! HAVE SOME SELF RESPECT, AND STOP LETTING LITTLE BOYS HAVE THEIR FUN IN A PLACE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE BEING.

ABCD, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the fucking fire. You're cheap, tacky and should be ashamed. A STRIP CLUB IS NOT A FLEA MARKET. THE ONLY FLEAS IN OUR CLUBS ARE LOSERS LIKE YOUR STOMACHE TURNING SELF. Go back to the mommy that created a man-child.

PL = wow, the name has RARELY felt quite so appropriate. Schmuck...

mediocrity
11-13-2008, 03:34 PM
Like I would go to your club after already knowing that you have a boyfriend.


Just kidding, that wouldn't keep me away.....but a cover charge of over $7 might.


Would the management at your club actually throw someone out who has not done anything wrong just because of the possibility that person might haggle over the price of dances?

My club now and my club in Atlanta would, if the dancers considered it offensive or harassing.

Otoki
11-13-2008, 04:02 PM
ABCD - Duuude.. Don't you get how PATHETIC "haggling over ten or fifteen dollars is? Haggling over ANYTHING is embarrassing. Haggling over what you want to pay a beautiful young creature to grind on your flaccid lap is even more SHAMEFUL.

For FUCK'S SAKE: Be a MAN, pay the price, or, don't go into the gosh darn club. Instead, go get a crackhead to blow you for the five bucks you have budgeted for your month's worth of sexual gratification (I bet you're a sweatpants kinda winner, aren't cha?). Furthermore: WHATEVER DANCERS THAT ARE NEGOTIATING DANCE PRICES: YOU ARE DOING YOURSELF AS WELL AS EVERY OTHER GIRL IN YOUR CLUB AND IN THE COUNTRY A DISSERVICE. STOP IT!! HAS SOME SELF RESPECT, AND STOP LETTING LITTLE BOYS HAVE THEIR FUN IN A PLACE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE BEING.

ABCD, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the fucking fire. You're cheap, tacky and should be ashamed. A STRIP CLUB IS NOT A FLEA MARKET. THE ONLY FLEAS IN OUR CLUBS ARE LOSERS LIKE YOUR STOMACHE TURNING SELF. Go back to the mommy that created a man-child.

PL = wow, the name has RARELY felt quite so appropriate. Schmuck...
I want your babies.

Otoki
11-13-2008, 04:05 PM
My club now and my club in Atlanta would, if the dancers considered it offensive or harassing.
Agreed. My current club kicks out anyone who makes the dancers uncomfortable.

Once, a former regular of mine found me (I quit my old club without telling him because I didn't like him) and the managers and owner kicked him out because I was going to ask him to leave. They said they didn't want me to have to deal with it and be in a bad mood the rest of my shift. It was my third day at the club. I love love love the Seville.

Earl_the_Pearl
11-13-2008, 05:01 PM
Agreed. My current club kicks out anyone who makes the dancers uncomfortable.
I wish every Go Go bar in NJ would kick me out; I would save thousands of dollars a year.:-[

doc-catfish
11-13-2008, 05:17 PM
You know everyone, in an ideal world we'd all have these sensors in our brains that specifically knew that when we considered a sales transaction either as buyer or seller, we could read the other parties mind and find out what they wanted/needed to get from that transaction and we could deal accordingly, or choose not to if we felt their terms were unacceptable.

And fifty years from now who knows. Until then, we're kind of stuck with the imperfect and inefficient system that we have, and as long as that's in place and as long as we have malleable people walking in the confines of strip clubs, people are going to occasionally get took.

hl1986
11-13-2008, 05:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hl1986 http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/images/themes/rising/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1753661#post1753661)
ABCD - Duuude.. Don't you get how PATHETIC "haggling over ten or fifteen dollars is? Haggling over ANYTHING is embarrassing. Haggling over what you want to pay a beautiful young creature to grind on your flaccid lap is even more SHAMEFUL.

For FUCK'S SAKE: Be a MAN, pay the price, or, don't go into the gosh darn club. Instead, go get a crackhead to blow you for the five bucks you have budgeted for your month's worth of sexual gratification (I bet you're a sweatpants kinda winner, aren't cha?). Furthermore: WHATEVER DANCERS THAT ARE NEGOTIATING DANCE PRICES: YOU ARE DOING YOURSELF AS WELL AS EVERY OTHER GIRL IN YOUR CLUB AND IN THE COUNTRY A DISSERVICE. STOP IT!! HAVE SOME SELF RESPECT, AND STOP LETTING LITTLE BOYS HAVE THEIR FUN IN A PLACE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE BEING.

ABCD, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the fucking fire. You're cheap, tacky and should be ashamed. A STRIP CLUB IS NOT A FLEA MARKET. THE ONLY FLEAS IN OUR CLUBS ARE LOSERS LIKE YOUR STOMACHE TURNING SELF. Go back to the mommy that created a man-child.

PL = wow, the name has RARELY felt quite so appropriate. Schmuck...
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Otoki;1754037]I want your babies.[/quote]
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First of all, I SUCK at this whole "quoting" thing, so please forgive!

Secondly, Otoki - I think I just may want yours as well.. 8) Let's create mini strippers similar to mini me (think austin powers) that will go around shooting bullets out of their tits at winners like our friend, abcd? What do you think? ;D

hl1986
11-13-2008, 06:38 PM
And fifty years from now who knows. Until then, we're kind of stuck with the imperfect and inefficient system that we have, and as long as that's in place and as long as we have malleable people walking in the confines of strip clubs, people are going to occasionally get took.

I'm sorry, but everyone knows that the standard price for a woman to rub her body on a strange man is $20.00. This is NORMAL, STANDARD and ACCEPTED throughout the entire country (with very few exceptions).

I guess my feelings are truly of simple amazement. I don't understand how any self respecting man (or woman for that matter) can walk into a club full of naked young women, and start negotiating, over a TWENTY DOLLAR BILL...

If you do succeed in getting a discounted lapdance, my question is this: (and I mean this question, as it is one I've spent (too much) time wondering about while reading different SW threads): After you've haggled the girl down, and she starts waving her young body in front of your face, and bending in this and that direction, is there any part of you that understands that no matter how convincing she is, no matter how much she smiles, no matter how much she says she "doesn't care about the money 'cause you're 'sooo cute'" she hates you? She wants her twenty (ooops, I guess her $5 or $10) dollars. When a man negotiates over a twenty dollar bill, NO SELF RESPECTING woman could ever look at him as anything other than a ghetto schmuck. Do any of you "hagglers" get this concept?

Also, and perhaps you hagglers will understand this concept: At times, (not when a guy haggles) but even seems a little cheap or hesitant when paying for his dance or room, I will FREEZE. I'm sure he doesn't understand why the dance isn't warm, and cuddly. But TRUST ME - I am the QUEEN of warm, cuddly, affectionate, sweet and disarming. If I think you're being cheap over a dance - you'll NEVER meet that girl, and will dismiss me as a cold bitch. But don't you understand that it's simply me counting the beats until I can get away from your arrogant, obnoxious (and very likely smelly) ass?

I may rant, and I may rave, but PL's, I suggest, you stop and think about it.

bsteve
11-13-2008, 10:11 PM
Would the management at your club actually throw someone out who has not done anything wrong just because of the possibility that person might haggle over the price of dances?

I don't know, but it would make sense if not throwing him out is bad for business. If it makes financial sense to toss a particular customer for any reason, then it makes sense.

bsteve
11-13-2008, 10:22 PM
If you do succeed in getting a discounted lapdance, my question is this: (and I mean this question, as it is one I've spent (too much) time wondering about while reading different SW threads): After you've haggled the girl down, and she starts waving her young body in front of your face, and bending in this and that direction, is there any part of you that understands that no matter how convincing she is, no matter how much she smiles, no matter how much she says she "doesn't care about the money 'cause you're 'sooo cute'" she hates you? She wants her twenty (ooops, I guess her $5 or $10) dollars. When a man negotiates over a twenty dollar bill, NO SELF RESPECTING woman could ever look at him as anything other than a ghetto schmuck. Do any of you "hagglers" get this concept?


Yes, I get this concept. But, so what?

Do you really think that I really care about what a dancer thinks of me? I know that she is doing just for the money and that she does not think that I am cute. I know that she probably doesn't find me attractive.

I don't care what a dancer thinks of me. I am not there to make friends with her. I pay her to "wave her young body in front of my face", and not to make her like me.

dlabtot
11-13-2008, 11:40 PM
This is a long thread; I gotta say upfront that I didn't read it, not even the first post, I've only read the post right above. So just in response to bsteve: do you really think that you will receive the same level of performance from an entertainer who hates you, as from an entertainer who likes you? (likes you on whatever level - eg 'he has paid a fair price for my services') Be as pragmatic or cynical as you want to be, the reality is that in a service industry especially, "you get what you pay for".

lemmiwinks31
11-14-2008, 02:31 PM
I have haggled down the price of dances from dancers who I am sure do not hate me.


Everyone hates you

doc-catfish
11-14-2008, 04:51 PM
I'm sorry, but everyone knows that the standard price for a woman to rub her body on a strange man is $20.00. This is NORMAL, STANDARD and ACCEPTED throughout the entire country (with very few exceptions).
This is not "NORMAL, STANDARD and ACCEPTED" throughout the entire country. Within my own sparsely populated state alone, prices range anywhere from $10-30. And there is absolutely no correlation between those prices and any sort of quality.


I guess my feelings are truly of simple amazement. I don't understand how any self respecting man (or woman for that matter) can walk into a club full of naked young women, and start negotiating, over a TWENTY DOLLAR BILL...
Me neither. Its too small a sum of money to be negotiating over.


If you do succeed in getting a discounted lapdance, my question is this: (and I mean this question, as it is one I've spent (too much) time wondering about while reading different SW threads): After you've haggled the girl down, and she starts waving her young body in front of your face, and bending in this and that direction, is there any part of you that understands that no matter how convincing she is, no matter how much she smiles, no matter how much she says she "doesn't care about the money 'cause you're 'sooo cute'" she hates you? She wants her twenty (ooops, I guess her $5 or $10) dollars. When a man negotiates over a twenty dollar bill, NO SELF RESPECTING woman could ever look at him as anything other than a ghetto schmuck. Do any of you "hagglers" get this concept?
Why don't you ask one of the people who are advocating haggling in this thread? Nowhere in my previous post did I so much say the word haggle, much less advocate the practice. I in fact DO NOT advocate the practice as I see little to be gained from it in exchange for the frustration I'm likely to cause the other party. Not my preferred way of having a good time.

I was merely trying to suggest an out of the box concept where:

1. There was no club set price (and you therefore could set your own "ideal" price).
2. You'd have some sort of inside information on how much every customer in your sights had to spend, and what he wanted in terms of time and service for that money.
3. Using both 1 and 2, you could more or less just make a beeline for the customer who was the best fit, without having to hustle time wasters and hagglers, essentially saving yourself both time and aggravation.

The customers of course, would have similar information on the dancers. So a guy like abcd could conceivably know who his best target for a deep discounted dance was, although his best target would also know at the same time that she likely has better prospects about.

Comprende?

mediocrity
11-14-2008, 04:54 PM
I have haggled down the price of dances from dancers who I am sure do not hate me.


Everyone hates you

QFT. }:D

bsteve
11-15-2008, 01:47 AM
This is a long thread; I gotta say upfront that I didn't read it, not even the first post, I've only read the post right above. So just in response to bsteve: do you really think that you will receive the same level of performance from an entertainer who hates you, as from an entertainer who likes you? (likes you on whatever level - eg 'he has paid a fair price for my services') Be as pragmatic or cynical as you want to be, the reality is that in a service industry especially, "you get what you pay for".


Well, you are right of course. Although I do think that negotiating in a SC is valid, I never do precisely for the reasons that you've posted.

Hmm, it looks like I got caught up in an overheated argument with the poster that I quoted. My bad. :-[

Otoki
11-15-2008, 10:10 AM
You know everyone, in an ideal world we'd all have these sensors in our brains that specifically knew that when we considered a sales transaction either as buyer or seller, we could read the other parties mind and find out what they wanted/needed to get from that transaction and we could deal accordingly, or choose not to if we felt their terms were unacceptable.

And fifty years from now who knows. Until then, we're kind of stuck with the imperfect and inefficient system that we have, and as long as that's in place and as long as we have malleable people walking in the confines of strip clubs, people are going to occasionally get took.
Stop with your logic and rational reasoning. We're having fun here.}:D

Otoki
11-15-2008, 10:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hl1986 http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/images/themes/rising/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1753661#post1753661)

Secondly, Otoki - I think I just may want yours as well.. 8) Let's create mini strippers similar to mini me (think austin powers) that will go around shooting bullets out of their tits at winners like our friend, abcd? What do you think? ;D
Cool. We'll have our own army of mini-bouncers.





I have haggled down the price of dances from dancers who I am sure do not hate me.
AHAHAHAHAHA

Everyone hates you
BWAHAHAHAHA

Well, you are right of course. Although I do think that negotiating in a SC is valid, I never do precisely for the reasons that you've posted.
If you think it's valid, why don't you negotiate? I don't understand how you can be such a vocal proponent of negotiating over dances, yet not do so.

Also, doc-catfish: you have no idea HOW MANY TIMES I've wished that I could read people's intentions. Then I could skip over the cheapskates, the assholes, and the bigots, and just go straight for the funny, nice, interesting, dog-loving, nerdy men and women who make my work so pleasant and fun.

bsteve
11-16-2008, 12:40 AM
If you think it's valid, why don't you negotiate? I don't understand how you can be such a vocal proponent of negotiating over dances, yet not do so.


Sorry for the confusion. My bad.

Different customers have different views and needs. In my current situation, where I care about getting a good dance rather then saving money, I do not negotiate; it is just not worth it. 10 years ago I would have negotiated.

Otoki
11-16-2008, 06:34 AM
^^Interesting.