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jester214
09-27-2008, 06:03 PM
Grow up....

My response: "All Republicans want to kill innocent people"

You views are, close if not the most, bias I have ever seen. Even the liberals in the media aren't finding as much stuff wrong with McCain in the debate as you are, even the Obama camp isn't and that's there job. But then again I guess you have to make up for all the months you weren't "tuned in".

sapphiregirl
09-27-2008, 06:20 PM
My response: "All Republicans want to kill innocent people"

You views are, close if not the most, bias I have ever seen. Even the liberals in the media aren't finding as much stuff wrong with McCain in the debate as you are, even the Obama camp isn't and that's there job. But then again I guess you have to make up for all the months you weren't "tuned in".




Jester...get over yourself. I watched you make ignorant post after ignorant post on different issues.

I have followed the election since the beginning. I voted in the primary.

Do you lay on the ground and have temper tantrums after you make a post because you sure act like a baby....go wish someone be in a plane crash or something. It may make yourself feel better.

sapphiregirl
09-27-2008, 06:32 PM
Obama slams McCain for not mentioning middle class

By JESSE J. HOLLAND – 1 hour ago
FREDERICKSBURG, Va. (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama sought to score a quick post-debate advantage Saturday by traveling to two Republican-leaning states and accusing GOP rival John McCain of being out of touch with middle-class Americans.
"We talked about the economy for 40 minutes and not once did Sen. McCain talk about the struggles middle-class families are having," Obama told more than 26,000 people who stood out in the rain with him on the campus of the University of Mary Washington.
While Obama was out campaigning, McCain stayed in the Washington, D.C.-area monitoring by phone the congressional negotiations on a deal on stabilizing U.S. financial markets. Obama did the same while on the campaign trial, with aides saying he spoke by phone to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., as negotiators inched toward a deal.
"Unlike Sen. McCain, it didn't take a crisis on Wall Street for me to realize that people are hurting," Obama said.
Obama returned to Washington Saturday night for a Congressional Black Caucus dinner before taking off again Sunday for campaign stops in Michigan, a crucial battleground state.
Earlier in the day, Obama debuted his post-debate attack on McCain with a campaign swing through North Carolina, another traditionally Republican state like Virginia where Obama hopes to make inroads.
The Illinois senator repeatedly took McCain to task for not talking about any plans for helping the middle class in the midst of the country's financial and fiscal crisis.
"Through 90 minutes of debate, John McCain had a lot to say about me, but he didn't have anything to say about you," Obama told the cheering 20,000-plus crowd at the J. Douglas Galyon Depot in downtown Greensboro. "He didn't even say the words 'middle class.' He didn't even say the words 'working people.'"
The Obama campaign tried to back up that point in its newest ad, a spot released Saturday that also notes McCain never mentioned the middle class during the debate. "McCain doesn't get it," the announcer says. "Barack Obama does."
McCain's campaign suggested Saturday that the Arizona senator had referred to the middle class during the debate when he argued that Obama had voted in favor of higher taxes on families making $42,000 a year and proposed hundreds of billions in new government spending that would place a crushing burden on families and businesses. Obama disputed both of those assertions and said that 95 percent of America taxpayers would not pay more in taxes under his plan.
"If he was honest, Barack Obama knows he was unable to debate the merits of supporting higher taxes on the middle class, and bloated government spending during a looming economic crisis — it simply proved indefensible last night," McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds said in a statement.
Appearing with Obama on Saturday, running mate Joe Biden called McCain's judgment on every important issue "wrong."
"At this moment in history, we need more than a brave soldier. We need a wise leader, and that man is Barack Obama," said Biden, a Delaware senator.
Obama's wife, Michelle, and Biden's wife, Jill, visited Tallahassee, Fla., together to urge young people and minorities to vote in November, capping a two-week voter registration drive.
In Michigan, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton campaigned for her ex-rival, saying that Republicans shouldn't be rewarded "for what they have done to our country."
"We cannot turn over our country with these deep deficits, with these serious economic problems, with the international challenges, to the same team that got us into this mess in the first place," Clinton told more than 1,000 people gathered at a park in Grand Ledge, Mich., about 10 miles west of Lansing, the first of three campaign stops scheduled in the state.
Obama advisers said they were encouraged by his performance in the foreign policy arena at the debate at the University of Mississippi but immediately started dampening expectations for future debates.
"This was supposed to be John McCain's turf, and Barack Obama owned it," Biden said.
Obama adviser David Plouffe told reporters the Democrat "spoke really to people in their homes about needing a president who is going to fight for the middle class, who is going to work on things like education and health care."
The presidential hopefuls are scheduled to debate twice more, at Belmont University in Nashville on Oct. 7 and at Hofstra University in Hempsted, N.Y., on Oct. 15.
The next debate will be a town hall format, and Plouffe called McCain the "undisputed town hall champion."
Associated Press writer David Eggert in Grand Ledge, Mich., contributed to this report.

sapphiregirl
09-27-2008, 06:47 PM
My response: "All Republicans want to kill innocent people"

You views are, close if not the most, bias I have ever seen. Even the liberals in the media aren't finding as much stuff wrong with McCain in the debate as you are, even the Obama camp isn't and that's there job. But then again I guess you have to make up for all the months you weren't "tuned in".
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Instead of following me around like an insane idiot....Why don't you spend the time researching civilian deaths in Iraq. Look on youtube for civilian deaths...read.


I'm SICK of people attacking me on my views on the war. Americans are so goddamn out of it...but then we cannot even show TRUE images here of what we are supporting...A WAR FOR OIL!

anyone who has supported George Bush, voted Republican, HAS VOTED FOR THAT WAR....and don't give me the I vote Republican for my taxes but I don't support the war...blah...YOUR HANDS ARE STILL BLOODY and SELFISH.

...........but then I'm pround to say I sat in Texas with chills down my spine before that war started. A WAR FOR OIL and not TERRORISM. I was called so many things all the way down to UNPATRIOTIC for being against that war.

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Lily Hamourtziadou is IBC's principal news collector and also responsible for the Recent Events (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/recent/) updates which provide early indications of the number of civilians being killed in violence. These preliminary figures (as used here) may change somewhat when IBC's analysis is complete - but in our experience so far, not by much.
The figures in this article refer solely to Iraqi civilians reported killed by direct US fire.




The Price of Loss

How the West values civilian lives in Iraq

Comment by Lily Hamourtziadou
12 November 2007
The American military has expressed regret “that civilians are hurt or killed while coalition forces search to rid Iraq of terrorism,” after the 11 October killing of 15 women (one pregnant) and children in an air raid near lake Thar Thar.1 The civilian death toll by US fire was 96 in October, with 23 children among them, while in September US forces and contractors killed 108 Iraqi civilians, including 7 children. In August US troops killed 103 civilians, 16 of them children, and in July they killed 196. In fact, during the last five months US forces in Iraq have killed over 600 Iraqi civilians. Regrettably, as always.
It is the ‘price to pay’, the ‘sacrifice’ that has to be made as we fight terrorism, the ‘cost’ of this war against evil forces. That is what we say to justify these killings. But those of us who speak of this price to be paid, this sacrifice to be made, do not pay this price, do not make this sacrifice. Our own country is not being destroyed, attacked, occupied. Our own children are not being blown up, our civilians are not becoming homeless by the millions. Those who speak of the necessity of this sacrifice, would they be prepared to pay such a price? In their own country? With the blood of their own families?
1 Iraq strike 'kills 15 civilians' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7040697.stm) BBC, 12 Oct 2007. IBC record k7704 (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/incidents/k7704)
2 'Army Bates 550 - 554' (http://www.aclu.org/natsec/foia/pdf/Army0550_0554.pdf)13 Feb 2006 (via ACLU (http://www.aclu.org/natsec/foia/search.html)) IBC record d1910 (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/incidents/d1910)
3 'Army Bates 762' (http://www.aclu.org/natsec/foia/pdf/Army0762.pdf) 18 Feb 2006 (via ACLU (http://www.aclu.org/natsec/foia/search.html)) IBC record d1908 (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/incidents/d1908)
4 'Army Bates 342 - 343' (http://www.aclu.org/natsec/foia/pdf/Army0342_0343.pdf) 1 Jan 2006 (via ACLU (http://www.aclu.org/natsec/foia/search.html)) IBC record d1904 (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/incidents/d1904)
5 'Army Bates 1149 - 1152' (http://www.aclu.org/natsec/foia/pdf/Army1149_1152.pdf) 1 Jan 2006 (via ACLU (http://www.aclu.org/natsec/foia/search.html)) IBC record d1905 (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/incidents/d1905)
6 Knowing the enemy difficult in Iraq (http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2007-10-07-1595865157_x.htm) Katarina Kratovac, AP, 7 Oct 2007. IBC record k7615 (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/incidents/k7615)




How much easier it is to sacrifice others, to let others pay with their lives. The value of those lives is hardly high enough to trouble us. It is nothing our military cannot afford. Here is an example:
“A fisherman was fishing in the Tigris river in the early morning, when a Coalition Forces (CF) helicopter flew over and shone a spotlight on him. The fisherman began to shout in English, ‘Fish! Fish!’ while pointing to his catch. A patrol of Humvees arrived, and as the deceased bent down to turn off the boat’s motor, CF shot and killed him. CF did not secure the boat, which drifted off and was never retrieved.” Compensation for death denied due to combat exemption; compensation for boat granted: $3,500 US.2
The US Army paid $7,500 to two children whose mother they killed inside a taxi that ran a checkpoint — both children were also in the taxi, and were shot and injured; they also paid $6,000 for killing a child looking out of the window, while a raid was on-going in the house across the street.3 4 They refused, as they do in the majority of cases, to compensate the child whose father they killed as he drove home, but agreed to make a ‘condolence payment’ of $1,500.5 More recently, the US military is reported to have paid $2,500 to each family of the three men they killed near Abu Lukah, as they guarded their village.6
There are more:
Al Matasan Street, Samarra, Iraq

Claim on behalf of Iraqi [Redacted] by son. [Redacted], who was deaf, was shot and killed by US forces near the Samarra museum. Two eyewitnesses corroborated the story. Finding: denied for lack of evidence and combat exception. Condolence payment granted: $500 US.7
Samarra, Iraq

7 'Army Bates 0952 - 0958' (http://www.aclu.org/natsec/foia/pdf/Army0952_0958.pdf) 4 Nov 2005 (via ACLU (http://www.aclu.org/natsec/foia/search.html)) IBC record d3353 (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/incidents/d3353)
8 'Army Bates 588 - 591' (http://www.aclu.org/natsec/foia/pdf/Army0588_0591) 28 Apr 2005 (via ACLU (http://www.aclu.org/natsec/foia/search.html)) IBC record d3352 (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/incidents/d3352)
9 'Army Bates 889 - 892' (http://www.aclu.org/natsec/foia/pdf/Army0889_0892.pdf) 27 May 2005 (via ACLU (http://www.aclu.org/natsec/foia/search.html)) IBC record d3348 (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/incidents/d3348)




Claim on behalf of Iraqi [Redacted] by parent. [Redacted], a four year-old girl, was playing in her front yard when she was killed by Coalition Forces’ (CF) fire. The CF and a Humvee were trying to cross the road and they shot to clear the traffic. A bullet ricocheted off of a wall and hit [Redacted]. Army memo: “A SIGACTS investigation revealed no activity meeting” the incident’s description, and “the claim is too old to verify.” Finding: denied due to lack of evidence. Condolence payment of $2,500 US granted.8
Tikrit, Iraq

Claim on behalf of Iraqi [Redacted], an ambulance driver. [Redacted] was on his way to the scene of an accident with an IED when he was shot and killed by a US soldier. Finding: negligent fire; Compensation: $2,500 US.9
Reading through the Army compensation reports, it is fairly clear just what the value of an Iraqi life is, of how the loss of a beloved child, parent and sibling is valued, priced. A few thousand dollars (if that) is how much they are worth, and no more. Their loss covered by a shockingly low monetary compensation. No further consequences, punishment, no further accountability.
Those of us who opposed this war and the long occupation that followed hold our political leaders responsible for the horrors of Iraq. We sometimes blame our soldiers. We always blame the terrorists. But we are reluctant to blame our nation or ourselves. “We can continue to blame the Bush administration,” writes Frank Rich, “but we must also examine our own responsibility for the hideous acts committed in our name in a war where we have now fought longer than we did in the one that put Verschärfte Vernehmung on the map.” We cannot simply ‘look the other way.’10
10 The 'Good Germans' Among Us (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/opinion/14rich2.html) Frank Rich, New York Times, 14 Oct 2007.




We, who have lost very little, who have sacrificed very little, who have paid very little, we ‘turn the page,’ to use Rich’s phrase, and we continue to speak of ‘our’ war, of ‘our’ fight against the terrorists, ‘our’ ideals, ‘our’ kindness, ‘our’ courage; things that we value far more than the lives of millions of others, people whose deaths do not hurt us, whose loss does not affect us, and whose sacrifice we do not see bloodying our own hands.

TheSexKitten
09-27-2008, 09:21 PM
be CAREFUL not to TYPE too much like ERIC stoner NOW

threlayer
09-27-2008, 09:50 PM
I am not sure that you should pay a higher percentage tax then any one else but there is one thing I know, you are not middle class. Honestly I am tired of hearing about how businesses need more tax cuts. I seems to me that trickle down economics has not worked too well, unless the trickling is supposed to be yellow. This is an article I liked.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/155951

And while you are trying to make ends meet on $250,000 per year I have several friends at work with morgages payments and children trying to make ends meet on less then $85,000 per year before taxes.

Hell, I don't even KNOW anyone as an employee (not owner) who makes even $85k/year. Now THAT is Main Street.

threlayer
09-27-2008, 09:56 PM
Last night McCain spent 90 minutes going after Obama....being a first class jerk in the process. He was at a Presdential Debate saying "horseshit" if he did not agree while Obama was speaking. His temper stinks.

Too bad he could not spend 90 minutes talking about what he would do for AMERICANS. Did McCain even mention the middle class last night? NO

Do any Republicans? Then why do people on Main Street vote for them. The Republicans cannot even control the federal budget anymore. The Democrats do that. Yes, they say they want to lower taxes and the federal budget, but they cannot carry it out. And they want the middle class to pay for lowering the elite class's tax reduction.

As long as they run things they way they have proven they will since the 1980s, and nothing else is more of an outstanding issue, I'm not voting for the Republicans presidential candidates anymore.

UtahMike
09-27-2008, 11:28 PM
It was classic when Obama tried to laugh anytime things weren't going his way.

He should learn some manners. He kept interrupting McCain.

By interrupting, he was demonstrating that HE was in control, not McCain. It made him look superior, stronger. Very subtle, but very effective.


Do any Republicans? Then why do people on Main Street vote for them.

The Republicans have cornered the market on being the party of Good Morals (aka "Family Values"). That's why Sarah Palin is on the ticket, not because of her expertise in foreign and domestic policy.

threlayer
09-28-2008, 07:40 AM
^^ Yes, and so was Dan Quayle. Big help he was.

doc-catfish
09-28-2008, 07:57 AM
The Republicans have cornered the market on being the party of Good Morals (aka "Family Values"). That's why Sarah Palin is on the ticket, not because of her expertise in foreign and domestic policy.

Therein lies the fundamental flaw with the "democracy" folks. Nobody has to be "qualified" to be eligible for the highest office in this country aside from being a U.S. born citizen, 35 years of age or older, and in good legal standing. Much the same there is no prerequisite for those of us who put that person into office to take emperically proven information into account when we make that decision.

If you want to vote for (or against) Barack Obama because he is black, well...you can.

If you want to vote for (or against) John McCain because he's old and looks like he could kick the bucket at any minute, well...you can.

If you want to vote for (or against) Barack Obama because you think he's a Muslim, well...you can.

If you want to vote for (or against) John McCain because he put somebody with a vagina on his ticket, well...you can.

Really, experience, issues, integrity, truth, none of that means shit, well unless you're one of those folks who's into that kinda thing.

safado
09-28-2008, 08:42 AM
Hell, I don't even KNOW anyone as an employee (not owner) who makes even $85k/year. Now THAT is Main Street.
According to the article the median household income in the U.S. is $50,223 per year. The 85k was a bad example, I know some people who make less then 40k, one thing that I don't do is insult their intelligence by claiming that I am poor and don't have a pot to piss in. I know some people making over $90k who are always complaining that they are poor and have trouble making ends meet.

safado
09-28-2008, 08:44 AM
I heard this joke a few weeks ago.

fool me once shame on you

fool me twice shame on me

fool me a third time McCain Palin 08.

jester214
09-28-2008, 09:33 AM
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Instead of following me around like an insane idiot....Why don't you spend the time researching civilian deaths in Iraq. Look on youtube for civilian deaths...read.


I'm SICK of people attacking me on my views on the war. Americans are so goddamn out of it...but then we cannot even show TRUE images here of what we are supporting...A WAR FOR OIL!

anyone who has supported George Bush, voted Republican, HAS VOTED FOR THAT WAR....and don't give me the I vote Republican for my taxes but I don't support the war...blah...YOUR HANDS ARE STILL BLOODY and SELFISH.

...........but then I'm pround to say I sat in Texas with chills down my spine before that war started. A WAR FOR OIL and not TERRORISM. I was called so many things all the way down to UNPATRIOTIC for being against that war.

Why do I need to? I know plenty about civilain deaths. Since I'm not a Repulican I don't have to "enjoy killing innocent people".

It's amazing how many people knew that we weren't going to Iraq for terrorism... I remember some saying we shouldn't go, but not because it wasn't for terrorism, seems like a few of my Doctorate level (liberal) political science teachers would have put that together... But then I'm sure you figured it all out.::)

And for the record, I was against Iraq and Afghanistan. Not because of Oil or Terrorism, but because I didn't want to waste lives on something that I didn't beleive would bring results. I still wish we hadn't gone, but now that we're there I pull for the US and the Troops to fix things best they can and get home. Which means not leaving Iraq (which we destroyed) in a lurch.

Just because I like Bush and think he's gets a lot of unfair criticism, especially from people like you (who are apparently some of the most amazing political minds of the century::)) doesn't mean that I'm selfish, or my hands are bloody.

If you voted for Hillary Clinton are you're hand bloody? She voted for the war, so did plenty of other Democrats? And to hear Obama the other night, he wants to stay and fix things then send more people to Afghanistan, so I guess your hands will be bloody to.

bem401
09-28-2008, 09:36 AM
I didn't see the debate but I heard it on the radio. I thought Obama did a lot of stuttering and did himself no good by saying "John is absolutely right" so many times. His biggest gaffe though was when he said "me too" about the bracelet but had trouble remembering the soldier's name on the bracelet. Oh and by the way, he has been asked by the soldier's family to take the bracelet off because he has been misrepresenting their sentiments and he has refused.

sapphiregirl
09-28-2008, 11:56 AM
I'll vote for Barack Obama for this reason alone....and I wish I could by the soldier who made the comment at the bottom dinner!

GOD Bless the day I don't have to worry about the Religious Right being HATEFUL towards my family~

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Ministers vow to preach politics in defiance of IRS rules

Federal law bans tax-exempt groups from taking public stand on candidates

By DUKE HELFAND Los Angeles Times

Sept. 25, 2008, 11:13PM








tSSetting the stage for a collision of religion and politics, Christian ministers from 22 states will use their pulpits Sunday to deliver political sermons or endorse candidates — defying a federal ban on campaigning by nonprofit groups.
The ministers' advocacy could violate the Internal Revenue Service's rules against political speech with the purpose of triggering IRS investigations.
That would allow their patron, the conservative legal group Alliance Defense Fund, to challenge the IRS' rules, a risky strategy that one defense fund attorney acknowledges could cost the churches their tax-exempt status. Congress made it illegal in 1954 for tax-exempt groups to support or oppose political candidates publicly.
"I'm going to talk about the un-biblical stands that Barack Obama takes. Nobody who follows the Bible can vote for him," said the Rev. Wiley Drake of First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park, Calif.
Drake was the target of a recent IRS investigation into his endorsement last year of former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, then a presidential candidate. In the end, Drake was cleared.
Drake and 32 other ministers who have signed on to the "pulpit initiative" have sparked loud condemnations by fellow clergy and advocates of the separation of church and state.
These critics, such as Americans United for Separation of Church and State, argue that Sunday's sermons at churches in Oregon, Texas, New Mexico and other states will undercut the independence churches have long enjoyed to speak out about moral and ethical issues in American life, including child labor and civil rights.

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FBR
09-28-2008, 12:03 PM
Does Trinity United claim tax exempt status?

FBR

sapphiregirl
09-28-2008, 01:35 PM
Does Trinity United claim tax exempt status?

FBR



If they preach politics they shouldn't



What's your point?

dlabtot
09-28-2008, 01:54 PM
Not being able to make eye contact with your adversary is a sign of fear.

I think Jim Lehrer blew it by asking "What are the lessons of Iraq?" - that's a historical question that can only be fully answered when the Iraq conflict is part of history, not part of the present. The real question to ask would have been "What were the lessons of Vietnam?" I think the answers would have been illuminating.

FBR
09-28-2008, 02:10 PM
Not being able to make eye contact with your adversary is a sign of fear. dlab I don't think it was that he couldn't, he just didn't want to.


I think Jim Lehrer blew it by asking "What are the lessons of Iraq?" - that's a historical question that can only be fully answered when the Iraq conflict is part of history, not part of the present. The real question to ask would have been "What were the lessons of Vietnam?" I think the answers would have been illuminating. I'm older and could relate to responses to that question but much of the voter populace is young and frankly ignorant of the Vietnam story. I imagine Lehrer figured they wouldn't be able to connect the dots. Good point, though.

FBR

safado
09-28-2008, 02:17 PM
http://www.trueblueliberal.com/wp-content/photos/trickle_down.jpg

McCain's tax plan

sapphiregirl
09-28-2008, 02:21 PM
Not being able to make eye contact with your adversary is a sign of fear.

I think Jim Lehrer blew it by asking "What are the lessons of Iraq?" - that's a historical question that can only be fully answered when the Iraq conflict is part of history, not part of the present. The real question to ask would have been "What were the lessons of Vietnam?" I think the answers would have been illuminating.



Never trust a man who won't look you in the eye.

Considering all these debates are at Universities, McCain acting like a condescending, grumpy man who won't look at a younger candidate will probably not go over well with that generation.

It was awkward to watch Obama looking and talking to McCain while he stared straight ahead. Zero repsect on McCain's part.

sapphiregirl
09-28-2008, 02:38 PM
I think I should get this for Jester's front yard. :spin:



http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/313/28960961848c9866f1e3ce8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

FBR
09-28-2008, 02:40 PM
I think I should get this for Jester's front yard. :spin:



http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/313/28960961848c9866f1e3ce8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Ha! He would so break out his shot gun and try and shoot you for planting that sign ;D

FBR

dlabtot
09-28-2008, 02:50 PM
I'm older and could relate to responses to that question but much of the voter populace is young and frankly ignorant of the Vietnam story. I imagine Lehrer figured they wouldn't be able to connect the dots. Good point, though.

FBR

Gee, I'm too young to remember WW2, but I still know quite a bit about it. Same goes for the Korean War. Don't they still teach history? I think you do young people a disservice by assuming they are all ignorant of history.

dlabtot
09-28-2008, 04:15 PM
His biggest gaffe though was when he said "me too" about the bracelet but had trouble remembering the soldier's name on the bracelet. Oh and by the way, he has been asked by the soldier's family to take the bracelet off because he has been misrepresenting their sentiments and he has refused.

BULLSHIT


The mother of a Wisconsin soldier who died in Iraq says she was "ecstatic" during Friday's debate when Senator Barack Obama mentioned the bracelet she gave him in honor of her son.

Tracy Jopek of Merrill told The Associated Press on Sunday she was honored that he remembered Sgt. Ryan David Jopek, who was killed in 2006 by a roadside bomb.

She criticized Internet reports that suggested Obama exploited her son for political purposes.

She acknowledges e-mailing the campaign in February asking that Obama not mention her son in speeches or debates.

But she says Obama's mention on Friday was appropriate because he was responding after Senator John McCain said a soldier's mother gave him a bracelet.

Jopek says Obama's comment rightfully suggested there's more than one viewpoint on the war.

http://www.nbc15.com/state/headlines/29864149.html

jester214
09-28-2008, 04:20 PM
Never trust a man who won't look you in the eye.

Considering all these debates are at Universities, McCain acting like a condescending, grumpy man who won't look at a younger candidate will probably not go over well with that generation.

It was awkward to watch Obama looking and talking to McCain while he stared straight ahead. Zero repsect on McCain's part.

The "younger" generation doesn't care. The people who really noticed and blasted him for it, are already set to vote for Obama.

jester214
09-28-2008, 04:21 PM
Ha! He would so break out his shot gun and try and shoot you for planting that sign ;D

FBR

Nah, FBR. It would be one of my Republican neighbors who "likes to kill innocent people".

sapphiregirl
09-28-2008, 06:02 PM
Nah, FBR. It would be one of my Republican neighbors who "likes to kill innocent people".



You REALLY need to lighten up.


I'm voting for Obama and I'm happy about it. If that makes me "pathetic" or whatever else that's your opinion.

I'm voting for Obama based on the ISSUES....nothing else.

I know Obama is not perfect. People act like a person running for President has to be perfect. They are not GOD.


Obama is the direction I want to country to go in.


Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results = MacCain is not the President I want.


You are FREE to vote for whomever YOU want and you will not see me acting like you.

threlayer
09-28-2008, 08:11 PM
Therein lies the fundamental flaw with the "democracy" folks. Nobody has to be "qualified" to be eligible for the highest office in this country aside from being a U.S. born citizen, 35 years of age or older, and in good legal standing. Much the same there is no prerequisite for those of us who put that person into office to take emperically proven information into account when we make that decision....

Neither candidates nor voters have much of a qualification. A driver's license has more, but fewer people have to approve of you.

threlayer
09-28-2008, 08:18 PM
...
Just because I like Bush and think he's gets a lot of unfair criticism, especially from people like you (who are apparently some of the most amazing political minds of the century::)) doesn't mean that I'm selfish, or my hands are bloody....

Why didn't I realize that you are a Bushite? BTW what is to like about Bush? His religious bent? The fact that he is President? What else does he have?

UtahMike
09-28-2008, 08:51 PM
I don't base my vote, nor my opinion of a person's patriotism on flag lapel pins.

But I thought it interesting that Obama was once accused of being unpatriotic by not wearing such a pin, but he had one on his lapel during the debate.

McCain was not wearing a flag lapel pin during the debate.

Those who criticized Obama for not wearing one have been strangely silent about McCain's missing pin.

As I said above, the patriotism of neither man is in question to me, lapel pin or not.

I do find it interesting that there is a group who would criticize Obama over such a critical thing, but not McCain. I am offended by their behavior and statements.

High-Heel-Lover
09-29-2008, 06:05 AM
I said this once before....

Umm about the pin? who cares about a damn pin if you are wearing the
flag in your entire persona?

bem401
09-29-2008, 06:14 AM
BULLSHIT

So what was wrong about what I posted? The mother has softened her stance according to your source , but she did ask him to leave her family out of the campaign and he ignored that request. Just because she may have sofetened her stance somewhat doesn't mean he was right for not honoring her request.

jester214
09-29-2008, 11:31 AM
You REALLY need to lighten up.


I'm voting for Obama and I'm happy about it. If that makes me "pathetic" or whatever else that's your opinion.

I'm voting for Obama based on the ISSUES....nothing else.

I know Obama is not perfect. People act like a person running for President has to be perfect. They are not GOD.


Obama is the direction I want to country to go in.


Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results = MacCain is not the President I want.


You are FREE to vote for whomever YOU want and you will not see me acting like you.

Lighten up? You said that if you voted for Bush you had the blood of innocents on your hands!! YOU said that all Republicans want KILL innocent people.

I think it's great your voting for Obama, to many people don't care and won't vote at all.

My issue is with your ridculous statements (see above) and you totally hostile attitude towards anything other than Obama. If you could use a little logic and not be so damn bias, I would have less of a problem.

sapphiregirl
09-29-2008, 11:43 PM
I love it when Olbermann calls McCain out for his lying campaign tactics.



Anatomy of a bailout failure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGb0vlbBe3E

jester214
09-30-2008, 08:28 PM
I love it when Olbermann calls McCain out for his lying campaign tactics.



Anatomy of a bailout failure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGb0vlbBe3E

It's a good thing Obama and his campaign never lie. ::)

Where'd they put there angel wings?

sapphiregirl
10-01-2008, 01:15 AM
It's a good thing Obama and his campaign never lie. ::)

Where'd they put there angel wings?



It's THEIR angel wings.



We are a country who has two wars going on in the Middle East. We have man who is responsible for 9/11 that has never been caught because we invade Iraq and blow BILLIONS of dollars there.

We are a country in a massive financial disaster. We can spend 700 billion dollars to bail out Wall Street but we can't afford basic health care for all our citizens.

We are a country that doesn't give a flying flip about the environment...just fucking drill anywhere so I can have a hummer.

I can go on and on about what a joke American is becoming...


We are a country with ASSHOLES named Jester who just want to bicker and be downright dipshits to people who want a better future for us all.



GOD HELP US.

High-Heel-Lover
10-01-2008, 05:51 AM
:sings:

"Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?"


(In a Mr Rogers voice tone) Lets all be good neighbors :D

jester214
10-01-2008, 08:04 AM
It's THEIR angel wings.



We are a country who has two wars going on in the Middle East. We have man who is responsible for 9/11 that has never been caught because we invade Iraq and blow BILLIONS of dollars there.

We are a country in a massive financial disaster. We can spend 700 billion dollars to bail out Wall Street but we can't afford basic health care for all our citizens.

We are a country that doesn't give a flying flip about the environment...just fucking drill anywhere so I can have a hummer.

I can go on and on about what a joke American is becoming...


We are a country with ASSHOLES named Jester who just want to bicker and be downright dipshits to people who want a better future for us all.



GOD HELP US.

LOL. You are priceless. One of my brother's kid is almost as big a hyprocrite as you, granted he's 7, and has no idea what hypocrite means...

You think invading Iraq kept us from catching Bin Laden??? HAHAHAHA, LOL's!! Bin Laden isn't in Afghanistan and hasn't been for a very very long time.

I'm not even going to argue with you about healthcare, since that's another subject I know you've probably been "tuning out".

You think drilling is about having a Hummer? Seriously? Come the fuck on... Please though, enlighten me with your genius plan for energy independence.

Right I'm sure your'e just all about a great future for everybody!::)

I'm not trying to bicker, I'm trying to call attention to the ridiculous crap you post on a daily basis, which is obviously a conglomeration of what you read in whatever Leftie publication you read.

UtahMike
10-01-2008, 09:05 PM
Jester, if you actually know where Bin Laden is, why don't you claim the bounty on his head?

jester214
10-01-2008, 10:49 PM
Jester, if you actually know where Bin Laden is, why don't you claim the bounty on his head?

Cause telling the Government "Pakistan" probably wouldn't get it...

sapphiregirl
10-02-2008, 11:57 AM
Republicans are so clueless....Just put it on the CC!


National debt topped (http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/10/national_debt_topped_10_trilli.html) $10 trillion yesterday. The price of Bush Republicanism. And that's before the bailout and the depression. Let alone before the coming war in Iran that McCain is eager to launch, and the deepening occupation of Iraq that McCain promises and the endless counter-insurgency in Afghanistan which both Obama and McCain support. Obama doesn't get off the hook either. But the CBO's math shows that McCain will make the debt worse than Obama will.


THAT IS INSANITY!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp8ZmQMCtqA

jester214
10-02-2008, 04:43 PM
^^^What the fuck does that have to do with the thread topic?? Start your own threads if your gonna throw random crap versus posting on topic.

sapphiregirl
10-02-2008, 04:44 PM
^^^What the fuck does that have to do with the thread topic?? Start your own threads if your gonna throw random crap versus posting on topic.



Here comes psycho again!!!!!!!!!

PS....YOU ARE THE ONE WHO TAKES THREADS OFF TOPIC WITH YOU PSYCHO BS OVER AND OVER AND OVER!

High-Heel-Lover
10-02-2008, 04:51 PM
Well tonight the Palin Biden one so yeah.

High-Heel-Lover
10-02-2008, 06:04 PM
& we are off.

High-Heel-Lover
10-02-2008, 06:17 PM
betcha is the drinking game word.

jester214
10-02-2008, 07:48 PM
Here comes psycho again!!!!!!!!!

PS....YOU ARE THE ONE WHO TAKES THREADS OFF TOPIC WITH YOU PSYCHO BS OVER AND OVER AND OVER!

How did what you said have anything to do with the topic? Why don't you answer my questions? Is it cause there to hard? Now you just call me a "psycho". Answer a question.

High-Heel-Lover
10-02-2008, 07:51 PM
Biden did fantastic.

Richard_Head
10-02-2008, 07:52 PM
The ignore feature is your friend.