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JayATee
11-02-2008, 01:08 AM
That's a pretty valid opinion. Not because guys are guys, but because it is human nature to be on alert then someone is nice because they want something as opposed to be nice for the sake of being nice.
If an acquintence of mine (say, a co-worker or a neighbor) invited me for a drink or lunch, I'd be enthusiastic about it. But if the acquintence is selling Avon or soliciting for an organization, then I'd be on alert.
You know when you walk in the door that we're selling something. If that automatically puts you on "alert" then you're in the wrong place. We're not walking around half naked for no reason. This is a business. We're there to make money, and you're paying to see us take our clothes off. If you have that understanding, why be on alert? Of course we're not going to be nice just to be nice. We don't make money that way.
she sells sanctuary
11-02-2008, 02:35 AM
^ for real.
personally, i've seen so many guys get taken by "normal" girls they thought liked them...at least in a strip club you know you'll get something for your money. sure, it probably won't be sex. but at least you won't be bitching about how this girl you really like won't do more with you but cuddle even though you've spent thousands of dollars taking her out and paying her bartabs everytime you bump into her and it just so happens she forgot her wallet.
ultimately, everyone wants something. what matters is whether or not they're willing to give a fair return. a friend who invites you out for drinks only to spend the whole time bitching about their sick cat or something isn't exactly a fair trade for your time. you know?
a lap dance for the price of the lapdance...in that case, the only thing that really ought to matter is how attracted you are to the girl and if you've got money and/or a card on you.
threlayer
11-02-2008, 12:49 PM
Fantasy is ok, but not outright lying.... Some club gal told me how she would give me some hj/bj activity in a vip dance, partitioned room. I knew this club was fully video monitored so I told her, "I know that you know that we can just not do that here. Why are you telling me that?" I didn't go for her 'deal.' She could have had a dance if she would have tried to close it with more realism. Some of us are just not that completely easy. :)
Otoki
11-02-2008, 11:42 PM
Fantasy is ok, but not outright lying.... Some club gal told me how she would give me some hj/bj activity in a vip dance, partitioned room. I knew this club was fully video monitored so I told her, "I know that you know that we can just not do that here. Why are you telling me that?" I didn't go for her 'deal.' She could have had a dance if she would have tried to close it with more realism. Some of us are just not that completely easy. :)
That's especially stupid, because if you were a cop she'd be busted. WHAT a moron.
Otoki
11-02-2008, 11:43 PM
Fantasy is ok, but not outright lying....
This was a bit confusing until I read the rest of your post. So you're ok with dancers lying about their lives as long as they don't lie about the dances?
threlayer
11-04-2008, 07:25 AM
That's especially stupid, because if you were a cop she'd be busted. WHAT a moron.
Well, it was more subtle that how I typed it. And she knew me just a little from previous club visits but I had never done a dance with her. And no one else at the club ever approached me like that. But for her certainly there was a risk.
Now that you mention it....what if a club dancer was undercover trying to bust offers from customers? Or what if a club has hidden videos so the could bust a customer? What a turn of events, no?
threlayer
11-04-2008, 07:35 AM
This was a bit confusing until I read the rest of your post. So you're ok with dancers lying about their lives as long as they don't lie about the dances?
Security is very important and I certainly respect that. I am not there to qualify a dancer for dating. So I do not ask much until a conversation with the dancer (that I have been with a few times) offers info herself. But I hate to hear it when they go on about such stuff with other customers nearby and I hear it. Sometimes it is just so easy to figure out a lot more, from what they said, than what they ever intended. A lot of things I just don't want to know. Mostly the very young ones who are not very smart and haven't learned not to trust yet.
Otoki
11-05-2008, 03:15 AM
Security is very important and I certainly respect that. I am not there to qualify a dancer for dating. So I do not ask much until a conversation with the dancer (that I have been with a few times) offers info herself. But I hate to hear it when they go on about such stuff with other customers nearby and I hear it. Sometimes it is just so easy to figure out a lot more, from what they said, than what they ever intended. A lot of things I just don't want to know. Mostly the very young ones who are not very smart and haven't learned not to trust yet.
Thanks for clarifying.
Earl_the_Pearl
11-06-2008, 05:58 PM
Now that you mention it....what if a club dancer was undercover trying to bust offers from customers? Or what if a club has hidden videos so the could bust a customer? What a turn of events, no?
That would be bad for business so it is not likely to happen.
pinkpuff
11-07-2008, 04:13 AM
That is called business, if Ford won't deal Chevy will; just don't fall in love with a particular car.
That is your problem. You see us as cheap cars. We are women, not badly manufactured cars. If you want to compare us to cars compare us to lamborghinis and ferarris. That is more fitting. Lap dances are a luxury item. You wouldnt try to negotiate a "good deal" on a lamborghini would you? You'd look stupid and cheap, and with your attitude I am sure thats a common look for you.
I am not sure how to make this analogy so that a guy would understand, but strippers are like designer purses. If you want one you gotta spend a lot of money and if you find it at a bargain price, then its probably fake, low quality, and will fall apart after minimum use.
mediocrity
11-07-2008, 05:00 AM
That is your problem. You see us as cheap cars. We are women, not badly manufactured cars. If you want to compare us to cars compare us to lamborghinis and ferarris. That is more fitting. Lap dances are a luxury item. You wouldnt try to negotiate a "good deal" on a lamborghini would you? You'd look stupid and cheap, and with your attitude I am sure thats a common look for you.
I am not sure how to make this analogy so that a guy would understand, but strippers are like designer purses. If you want one you gotta spend a lot of money and if you find it at a bargain price, then its probably fake, low quality, and will fall apart after minimum use.
I totally laughed at the analogy, even though it's true. Yeah, lap dances are TOTALLY a luxury item. Never thought of it that way before, but it's completely correct.
Otoki
11-10-2008, 12:39 AM
^^I always wonder why guys argue that they should get a lapdance for cheaper, or ab-idiot's assertion that he should be able to bargain it down to a "reasonable price". It's not something you need for survival, it's something you want for fun.
bsteve
11-10-2008, 10:54 PM
You know when you walk in the door that we're selling something. If that automatically puts you on "alert" then you're in the wrong place. We're not walking around half naked for no reason. This is a business. We're there to make money, and you're paying to see us take our clothes off. If you have that understanding, why be on alert? Of course we're not going to be nice just to be nice. We don't make money that way.
JayATee, I understand what you are saying and agree with it. But my comment about "being on alert" was not to promote alertness, but to explain an observation of another dancer. The dancer that I was replying to stated that guys OTC are "easy" but guys ITC are not easy because it appears that they are on alert.
bsteve
11-10-2008, 11:13 PM
That is your problem. You see us as cheap cars. We are women, not badly manufactured cars. If you want to compare us to cars compare us to lamborghinisand ferarris. That is more fitting. Lap dances are a luxury item. You wouldnt try to negotiate a "good deal" on a lamborghini would you? You'd look stupid and cheap, and with your attitude I am sure thats a common look for you.
I am not sure how to make this analogy so that a guy would understand, but strippers are like designer purses. If you want one you gotta spend a lot of money and if you find it at a bargain price, then its probably fake, low quality, and will fall apart after minimum use.
Pink', sorry, but I negotiate (or don't negotiate) regardless if it is a luxury item or not. Not that I am an expert at negotiating, but it would be foolish for me to pay more money than I have to. As a matter of fact, I would say that luxury items, such as Lambos and Ferarris are more negotiable then are more common goods.
And to be perfectly honest, when I negotiate for a luxury good (like my wife's M-series Datejust a couple of months ago), I really could not care less if the seller sees me as "stupid and cheap".
Otoki
11-10-2008, 11:58 PM
^^ So does that mean you are also a proponent of haggling with strippers over dance prices?
pinkpuff
11-11-2008, 12:07 AM
Pink', sorry, but I negotiate (or don't negotiate) regardless if it is a luxury item or not. Not that I am an expert at negotiating, but it would be foolish for me to pay more money than I have to. As a matter of fact, I would say that luxury items, such as Lambos and Ferarris are more negotiable then are more common goods.
And to be perfectly honest, when I negotiate for a luxury good (like my wife's M-series Dayjust a couple of months ago), I really could not care less if the seller sees me as "stupid and cheap".
Must feel great not caring what other people think, but you probably look really stupid to other people because of it.
More than you have to? If you didnt want to spend 100k on a car you could always buy a toyota. But instead some guys insist on having luxury cars. Regardless of how low you haggle the price its still gonna be expensive and something most guys cant afford. same with dance prices. And i can see negotiating a price of a champagne room hour if the dancer is allowed to set her own rate...but negotiating a 20 dollar lap dance? come on...
bsteve
11-11-2008, 12:49 AM
^^ So does that mean you are also a proponent of haggling with strippers over dance prices?
As I responded to you on this topic elsewhere, negotiating the price of a dance seems reasonable.
Do I negotiate the price of a dance? No. Actually, just the opposite. I tip after a good LD. For two dances, for which I am charged $40, I pay $50. For 3 dances, I sometimes pay $60 + $20 tip.
Why do I not negotiate? Because I think that it would take away from the experience.
bsteve
11-11-2008, 01:01 AM
Must feel great not caring what other people think, but you probably look really stupid to other people because of it.
Pink, when I buy the stuff I want (be it a luxury item, or a necessity), I try to get a good price. That may mean going to a lower priced store, looking for a coupon, going off-season, or negotiating a lower price.
Do I look stupid trying to get a better price? You must be joking! Nobody knows how much I spend on my last airline ticket (bought off season), or a restaurant meal (with a coupon), or my car (e-Bay). The only ones who know are the sellers. And do I care if I seem stupid to them because I dared to negotiate with them. NO! As a matter of fact, I'd be happiest if they say to themselves: "Dang it, that BSteve got such a good price, that we are losing money on him."
As a matter of fact, there are many people who would say that NOT negotiating a price looks "really stupid". As in: "You mean you paid retail? Hahaha! How stupid!"
pinkpuff
11-11-2008, 01:06 AM
What about the opposite point of view? Paying $20 for a lap dance that lasts less than 5 minutes can look stupid to other people.
sure it looks stupid, if youre looking to get off on it. if youre not paying 20 bucks in hopes of cumming in your pants, then no it doesnt look any more stupid than paying 12 bucks for a movie ticket looks.
Bob_Loblaw
11-11-2008, 01:51 AM
It can look even more stupid if you are not looking to cum in your pants.
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/BobLoblaw61191946/havethedum.jpg
JayATee
11-11-2008, 02:06 AM
JayATee, I understand what you are saying and agree with it. But my comment about "being on alert" was not to promote alertness, but to explain an observation of another dancer. The dancer that I was replying to stated that guys OTC are "easy" but guys ITC are not easy because it appears that they are on alert.
Yes and my point is that it should be the exact opposite. In a SC setting, you know exactly what you're going to get, and how much you're going to have to pay for it. That's not necessarily the case OTC. It seems to me than in ITC a guy should chill. Yeah, we want money for our time, but you know that before you even come in, and you even know how much.
pinkpuff
11-11-2008, 02:56 AM
It can look even more stupid if you are not looking to cum in your pants. Either way, a dance lasts less than five minutes. This can look especially overpriced to someone not familiar with the sex industry You are comparing this to a movie ticket for a movie that lasts at least an hour and a half and often more than two hours.
Where does it cost $12 for a movie ticket? I thought it was about $8 or so at night and less during the day.
no it doesnt because most people are not pathetic perverts like you. to any normal person, a guy looking for sexual pleasure from a complete stranger is going to look like an idiot regardless of how much or how little he payed for it.
so a movie gives you more sexual pleasure and is thus more worthwhile than a stripper? then damn, stop going to the club and go see a freaking movie.
it costs 12 bucks in any major city. 8 bucks? lmao maybe a monday matinee....
pinkpuff
11-11-2008, 02:58 AM
Yes and my point is that it should be the exact opposite. In a SC setting, you know exactly what you're going to get, and how much you're going to have to pay for it. That's not necessarily the case OTC. It seems to me than in ITC a guy should chill. Yeah, we want money for our time, but you know that before you even come in, and you even know how much.
true, but i can see their side too. the guy who walks into the club will have to deal with a ton of girls jumping on him and trying to hustle him. many of these girls may not be the girl he is wanting a dance and its hard to say no in a polite manner, so i can see where he gets the "being on alert" thing from.
hl1986
11-11-2008, 09:49 PM
It can look even more stupid if you are not looking to cum in your pants. Either way, a dance lasts less than five minutes. This can look especially overpriced to someone not familiar with the sex industry You are comparing this to a movie ticket for a movie that lasts at least an hour and a half and often more than two hours.
Where does it cost $12 for a movie ticket? I thought it was about $8 or so at night and less during the day.
Oh my dear, I actually pity you. Who woulda thunk it? I didn't think I had the capacity to feel sad for PL's anymore.. Let's put it this way: I work at Hustler. In Manhattan, a movie ticket for an adult (anytime, any day) is $12.50. Sure - I'll dance for ya. But I'm charging a "special rate" for all guys that possess your adorable arrogance: for you? It'll be forty.. And, no - I don't take quarters, or nickels.
Now that I think about it, NO: You can't pay in singles either. If my tits are going ANYWHERE near your face, you're paying in twenties.
"Now it sloooowly puts the money in the garter.." Ooops, was that TOO dark? }:D
Otoki
11-12-2008, 12:34 AM
As I responded to you on this topic elsewhere, negotiating the price of a dance seems reasonable.
Do I negotiate the price of a dance? No. Actually, just the opposite. I tip after a good LD. For two dances, for which I am charged $40, I pay $50. For 3 dances, I sometimes pay $60 + $20 tip.
Why do I not negotiate? Because I think that it would take away from the experience.
As I said in the other thread, I'm glad to hear this, and I think this is a very accurate assessment of payment vs services.
Otoki
11-12-2008, 12:37 AM
I also wanted to reiterate that I feel the "haggling for luxury goods" analogy annoys me, and I feel it misses the mark. I'm having trouble coming up with an analogy because I think dances as consumer services are hard to compare to other things.
Golden_Rule
11-12-2008, 01:20 AM
As I responded to you on this topic elsewhere, negotiating the price of a dance seems reasonable.
Do I negotiate the price of a dance? No. Actually, just the opposite. I tip after a good LD. For two dances, for which I am charged $40, I pay $50. For 3 dances, I sometimes pay $60 + $20 tip.
Why do I not negotiate? Because I think that it would take away from the experience.
The question should be when you pay more do you get a better dance?
Answer: It depends on the dancer but lets be honest. Just as many on one end of the bell curve are saying, "Sucker!", to themselves under their breath as are dancers at the other end going for the top of their game in way of compensation for the extra moolah. The majority, in the middle of the curve, take the extra cash, smile politely, and give you the same dance they give anyone else who paid the going rate.
Golden_Rule
11-12-2008, 01:24 AM
no it doesnt because most people are not pathetic perverts like you. to any normal person, a guy looking for sexual pleasure from a complete stranger is going to look like an idiot regardless of how much or how little he payed for it.
You do realize that it takes an idiot to do business with an idiot. So indirectly what you are implying... :)
Its just a little bit hypocritical for a sex worker who makes her living by engaging the sexual response switches in the male animal to call those whose buttons get pushed "idiots".
Just saying... :)
Golden_Rule
11-12-2008, 01:30 AM
many of these girls may not be the girl he is wanting a dance and its hard to say no in a polite manner, so i can see where he gets the "being on alert" thing from.
I never have a problem. I just say, "Thank you but not just now."
The first thing someone in sales, and that is what stripping in a club where the meat of your income comes from lap dancing is, sales, has to learn is how to take a polite "No" for an answer so as not to kill off potential later sales to this customer, or the friends he is going to blacklist you to by word of mouth if you make his skin crawl by pushing the issue.
While it isn't true in "ariport" or some side of the highway style clubs, where travelers are just passing through and regulars are in short supply, a local club is a huge word of mouth deal. Guys talk to other guys and a happy client tells his strip-clubbing friends and that dancer's business tends to get better.
There are entire websites where guys tell other guys where the best clubs in each city are located and who the best dancers are in them.
pinkpuff
11-12-2008, 03:31 AM
The question should be when you pay more do you get a better dance?
Answer: It depends on the dancer but lets be honest. Just as many on one end of the bell curve are saying, "Sucker!", to themselves under their breath as are dancers at the other end going for the top of their game in way of compensation for the extra moolah. The majority, in the middle of the curve, take the extra cash, smile politely, and give you the same dance they give anyone else who paid the going rate.
no..theyre not...where on earth did you get this idea? you are not the first guy i have heard that thinks strippers think customers are suckers. lets face it, most guys i dance for i would not even give eye contact to outside the club for free. they would never be able to get such close physical contact of a lap dance in any other circumstances, so paying for my time and my dance doesnt make them a sucker.
If anything a "sucker" would be one who could have gotten something for free but instead payed way too much for it. if you believe i would have smiled at you and sat on your lap for free then you truly are delusional.
either way in a strip club setting no guy who is spending money is a "sucker" any more than any guy who pays wayyy too much money for bottle services is a sucker. the only losers in the club are the ones who go in and dont spend any money because they are angry at the world because they cant get a girl out of their league.
And not true about guys who pay more getting better service. if a guy tips me well i feel wayyy more obligation to give him a good dance. i am much more leniant with him and i hang out with him and chat afterwards. if a guy doesnt tip i just move on to the next guy, he gets no chat time and most likely i will never dance for him again because not tipping me is pretty insulting.
pinkpuff
11-12-2008, 03:33 AM
You do realize that it takes an idiot to do business with an idiot. So indirectly what you are implying... :)
Its just a little bit hypocritical for a sex worker who makes her living by engaging the sexual response switches in the male animal to call those whose buttons get pushed "idiots".
Just saying... :)
i dont make my money off of guys who go to the club to cum in their pants. if anything these guys are cheap bastards who i try to avoid as much as possible, so sorry, my client base isnt the same demographic you are talking about. I make money off guys who respect and adore women and who think their time and company is valuable. They usually want nothing more than a sensual dance, not a grind to completion
Otoki
11-12-2008, 01:16 PM
What about guys who pay providers/prostitutes? Do you think that they are pathetic as well?
I don't know if she does, but I don't. However, I find customers who look to get off from a dance to be pathetic, because that's NOT the dancer's job. If you want to cum in your pants, go see a ho. They're making an honest living dealing with services that dancers are not willing to render.
i dont make my money off of guys who go to the club to cum in their pants. if anything these guys are cheap bastards who i try to avoid as much as possible, so sorry, my client base isnt the same demographic you are talking about. I make money off guys who respect and adore women and who think their time and company is valuable. They usually want nothing more than a sensual dance, not a grind to completion
QFT
Golden_Rule
11-12-2008, 06:41 PM
no..theyre not...where on earth did you get this idea? you are not the first guy i have heard that thinks strippers think customers are suckers.
That is NOT what I said. Please reread what I wrote. :)
What I said was is that, like most situations as of this type, behavior can be expressed in a curve. With the rarer sort on either end of the curve performing the perfect good, or the perfect wrong, and the majority in the middle doing nothing either way or a little to either side.
So in this case the rarer on either end take the money and say "sucker" [the perfect wrong] or give a better dance for the extra cash [the perfect good] with the majority doing nothing different than if they got paid regular freight.
lets face it, most guys i dance for i would not even give eye contact to outside the club for free.
The dancers I work with in clubs or see when I go to a club I treat like I treat anyone else outside the club. That is because, to me, folks are folks.
I treat Kings like I treat commoners, and vice-versa. In the end we're all just bits of protoplasm with legs after all. :)
Golden_Rule
11-12-2008, 06:45 PM
i dont make my money off of guys who go to the club to cum in their pants. if anything these guys are cheap bastards who i try to avoid as much as possible, so sorry, my client base isnt the same demographic you are talking about. I make money off guys who respect and adore women and who think their time and company is valuable. They usually want nothing more than a sensual dance, not a grind to completion
I wasn't discussing any particular demographic. Just strippers and customers in general.
pinkpuff
11-12-2008, 06:49 PM
That is NOT what I said. Please reread what I wrote. :)
What I said was is that, like most situations as of this type, behavior can be expressed in a curve. With the rarer sort on either end of the curve performing the perfect good, or the perfect wrong, and the majority in the middle doing nothing either way or a little to either side.
So in this case the rarer on either end take the money and say "sucker" [the perfect wrong] or give a better dance for the extra cash [the perfect good] with the majority doing nothing different than if they got paid regular freight.
no im sorry. no one calls the guy a sucker for spending more than he has to. Spending more on a dance just means you are generous or appreciative, NOT a "sucker." I have NEVER heard of a dancer calling a customer a sucker, ever. I have never even heard any dancers calling a guy stupid for spending more than he has to for a dance. If anything I only hear dancers talking highly about guys who "make their week" by being generous.
bsteve
11-12-2008, 10:04 PM
... to any normal person, a guy looking for sexual pleasure from a complete stranger is going to look like an idiot regardless of how much or how little he payed for it.
Uh, Pink', don't take this the wrong way, but I do not understand this statement at all.
Have you been around guys much? Do you know what most guys think about? As a dancer I would think that you are well-positioned to know that sex is pretty much that guys think about.
Yes, most guys would have no problem receiving sexual pleasure from a complete stranger. They may not do so because of faithfulness to their wives or GFs, but for guys familiality with their sexual partner is not a requirement for derivation of a satisfactory sexual experience.
Please understand: guys generally have the ability to separate sexual satisfaction with affection for their sexual partner. A guy can have sex with a girl without having any emotional attachment for her. Yes, you may find this disattachment a bit disturbing and wrong -- most women do. Guys just think differently than women.
So no, most guys wont consider a guy getting off with a stranger as pathetic.
hl1986
11-12-2008, 10:47 PM
So no, most guys wont consider a guy getting off with a stranger as pathetic.
Perhaps, but many woman (both dancers and non adult industry related) may.. 8)
pinkpuff
11-13-2008, 05:24 AM
Uh, Pink', don't take this the wrong way, but I do not understand this statement at all.
Have you been around guys much? Do you know what most guys think about? As a dancer I would think that you are well-positioned to know that sex is pretty much that guys think about.
Yes, most guys would have no problem receiving sexual pleasure from a complete stranger. They may not do so because of faithfulness to their wives or GFs, but for guys familiality with their sexual partner is not a requirement for derivation of a satisfactory sexual experience.
Please understand: guys generally have the ability to separate sexual satisfaction with affection for their sexual partner. A guy can have sex with a girl without having any emotional attachment for her. Yes, you may find this disattachment a bit disturbing and wrong -- most women do. Guys just think differently than women.
So no, most guys wont consider a guy getting off with a stranger as pathetic.
speak for yourself, some guys actually have standards. granted they are not the type of guys who would hang around someone like you so i can understand how you have never come across any.
yes guys can have sex without emotional attachment but that doesnt mean that theyll fuck any stranger that comes their way. Some have certain requirements and to fuck a stranger is to overlook any requirements you may have because you dont even know the person. and actually yes the average guy DOES in fact see guys who buy hookers or even guys who go to strip clubs as pathetic. Obviously you have never come across this since the crowd you hang with frequents strip clubs and sex workers, but there are a ton of guys out there who do not have any desire to go to strip clubs or to buy a hooker and they think getting off by a stranger, and much more, paying to get off by a stranger is really stupid and pathetic. How about you ask any good looking guys out there if they would ever be caught dead with a hooker? Im sure most of them would never want to forfeit their pride by doing something they consider so loserish, and honestly sorry to say, in the REAL world, hobbiests are seen as losers.
Earl_the_Pearl
11-13-2008, 05:25 PM
I have never even heard any dancers calling a guy stupid for spending more than he has to for a dance. If anything I only hear dancers talking highly about guys who "make their week" by being generous.
This is what one dancer said about customers.
to any normal person, a guy looking for sexual pleasure from a complete stranger is going to look like an idiot regardless of how much or how little he payed for it.
How about you ask any good looking guys out there if they would ever be caught dead with a hooker? http://www.britfilms.tv/images/news/hugh%20grant%20police%20picture.jpg
bsteve
11-13-2008, 09:52 PM
speak for yourself, some guys actually have standards. granted they are not the type of guys who would hang around someone like you so i can understand how you have never come across any.
Gee, did I strike a raw nerve? Why such animosity towards me?
Look, go read a few books on how guys think. Go read few books that guys and women think differently. The reason why many people have problems with their significant other is because they think that their significant other think the same way as they do, and that their way is the correct way.
I perfectly understand that you find it abhorrent that guys can separate emotional attachment from sexual gratification. I know that. But that’s the way guys are. It does not make guys any less worthy then women who tend to associate affection with sexual gratification. If you think that guys who do separate affection or emotional attachment and sexual gratification are pathetic, or are loosers, then what you are doing is judging guys by women’s standards. Don’t do it. If you do judge guys by women’s standards, then don’t be surprised that you’ll find most guys as pathetic or loosers.
bsteve
11-13-2008, 09:59 PM
...Obviously you have never come across this since the crowd you hang with frequents strip clubs and sex workers, but there are a ton of guys out there who do not have any desire to go to strip clubs or to buy a hooker and they think getting off by a stranger, and much more, paying to get off by a stranger is really stupid and pathetic.
You do NOT have any ideas with what crowd I "hang around with". You really don't.
I am really surprised to consider guys who frequent SC as pathetic. Interesting outlook on customers.
pinkpuff
11-14-2008, 05:30 AM
Gee, did I strike a raw nerve? Why such animosity towards me?
Look, go read a few books on how guys think. Go read few books that guys and women think differently. The reason why many people have problems with their significant other is because they think that their significant other think the same way as they do, and that their way is the correct way.
I perfectly understand that you find it abhorrent that guys can separate emotional attachment from sexual gratification. I know that. But that’s the way guys are. It does not make guys any less worthy then women who tend to associate affection with sexual gratification. If you think that guys who do separate affection or emotional attachment and sexual gratification are pathetic, or are loosers, then what you are doing is judging guys by women’s standards. Don’t do it. If you do judge guys by women’s standards, then don’t be surprised that you’ll find most guys as pathetic or loosers.
well i am sorry you are so simple that you actually fit stereotypes written in books by other human beings who are no more in the minds of every human being on earth than anyone else is. People are different. yes there are a lot of pervy loserish men out there, but that does not mean that all men are the same way. again, some men actually have standards. By no means is this all men, afterall not all men have the right to be so picky.
women seperate emotions from sexual gratification too. We separate it so much that we feel comfortable using vibrators and dildos. most guys for some reason, on the other hand, would rather not use a plastic vagina or a real doll, which is odd, since they supposedly can separate sex from love then why the fuck do they need a real woman for?
and do you seriously think "loser" is spelled "looser"? Goddamn HOW old are you???? Are you getting senile or did you drop out of grade school?
steve, sorry to burst your bubble, but ask any man who does not frequent strip clubs or whores what he thinks about men who pay strangers for sexual services and they will laugh at how pathetic they think these men are.
rockie
11-14-2008, 10:48 AM
PP: 9 days on board and 55 posts. Are you sure your not the straw stirring the troll conversation? I understand the issues over on the blue side, but why are you the magnet for BS every thread you post in? If you are real, you might learn to ignore those that seek to inflame you. I'm off to go play in traffic!
bsteve
11-15-2008, 01:34 AM
and do you seriously think "loser" is spelled "looser"? Goddamn HOW old are you???? Are you getting senile or did you drop out of grade school?
Well, thanks Pink' for correcting my mistake. I always appreciate critique of my spelling.
Of course this is pretty consistent with your views on pretty much everything: it does not matter how poor your grammar, style or spelling is in your posts, but what seems to matter to you is my mistake. ::)
bsteve
11-15-2008, 01:37 AM
steve, sorry to burst your bubble, but ask any man who does not frequent strip clubs or whores what he thinks about men who pay strangers for sexual services and they will laugh at how pathetic they think these men are.
I never frequent “whores”, but I do frequent strip clubs. Let me ask you, seriously, Pink’: Do you think that people who frequent strip clubs are losers or are pathetic?
Otoki
11-15-2008, 10:26 AM
Get a room, you two.
Earl_the_Pearl
11-15-2008, 08:29 PM
and do you seriously think "loser" is spelled "looser"? Goddamn HOW old are you???? Are you getting senile or did you drop out of grade school?
Ad Hominem argument the point is disallowed.:P
pinkpuff
11-16-2008, 01:38 AM
I never frequent “whores”, but I do frequent strip clubs. Let me ask you, seriously, Pink’: Do you think that people who frequent strip clubs are losers or are pathetic?
for the most part, yes. the vast majority of the regulars in all the clubs ive worked at have fit into 1 of 2 catagories
1. lookie looes. these guys are so angry and pathetic that they take out their rage from years of being rejected by beautiful women by sitting in the club every single freaking day, not spending a dollar on stage or on a single dance, and simply STARING at the stage for hours on end. When a dancer does come by he either says shit that doesnt make sense or rants about how strippers call customers who spend money "suckers"
2. Pervs looking for extras. These guys are there almost every single day too and most of the time they are talking to the manager about which girl they can become friendly with so she can give em an extra special dance. a lot of times they go home without even picking a girl to dance for them. They for some reason have the delusion that the girl they do pick is a good girl who suddenly becomes naughty and provides extras ONLY for them because they are extra special
none of the customers i have made money off of or even respected have been regulars. so yes i think for the most part, with a few exceptions, strip club regs are losers.
bsteve
11-16-2008, 01:44 AM
for the most part, yes. the vast majority of the regulars in all the clubs ive worked at have fit into 1 of 2 catagories.
Well, I am relieved. I do not belong to either of those catagories. As neither do most guys on this site.
cadenceq
11-16-2008, 02:13 AM
I find most men to be somewhat difficult now.
They used to be easy, but as a result of the economic downturn they've become nowhere near as easy.
When money was mose abudant, they were more willing to spend. They got they're attention (after they paid for it) loved it, and got addicted. Now they are addicted, feel they deserve the attention, but don't want to pay for, they think they should just get it. Even a few of my regulars require anywhere from 10 minutes up to a half-hour of conversation (far more than someone deserves if they don't pay me) before they'll take their dance.