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Otoki
11-16-2008, 06:34 AM
I find most men to be somewhat difficult now.
They used to be easy, but as a result of the economic downturn they've become nowhere near as easy.
When money was mose abudant, they were more willing to spend. They got they're attention (after they paid for it) loved it, and got addicted. Now they are addicted, feel they deserve the attention, but don't want to pay for, they think they should just get it. Even a few of my regulars require anywhere from 10 minutes up to a half-hour of conversation (far more than someone deserves if they don't pay me) before they'll take their dance.
I agree. There's definitely been a growing sense of entitlement even in the three years I've been dancing, ESPECIALLY when the economy started going to shit.
Golden_Rule
11-19-2008, 01:12 AM
I have NEVER heard of a dancer calling a customer a sucker, ever. I have never even heard any dancers calling a guy stupid for spending more than he has to for a dance. If anything I only hear dancers talking highly about guys who "make their week" by being generous.
Ladies?
Guess you never worked in NYC or out on the Island [that would be Long Island] or in Jersey, or been anywhere near dressing rooms with dancers I've overheard as a bouncer [dim -distant past] or floor manager now.
As I said, they are the minority at one end of the curve [just like the dancers on the other end of the same curve who raise their game when a customer tips big], but to deny they exist is just foolishness. [sorry, but it is]
If I had a C note for every time I heard, "Hey, this guy tipped me $100. Guess he thought I was going to do something "special" for it. Sucker!", I'd be living even better than I do already. :D
wishing well...
pinkpuff
11-19-2008, 04:04 AM
Ladies?
Guess you never worked in NYC or out on the Island [that would be Long Island] or in Jersey, or been anywhere near dressing rooms with dancers I've overheard as a bouncer [dim -distant past] or floor manager now.
As I said, they are the minority at one end of the curve [just like the dancers on the other end of the same curve who raise their game when a customer tips big], but to deny they exist is just foolishness. [sorry, but it is]
If I had a C note for every time I heard, "Hey, this guy tipped me $100. Guess he thought I was going to do something "special" for it. Sucker!", I'd be living even better than I do already. :D
wishing well...
o come on that girl sounds so ghetto. anyone who would agree to a dance with someone like that deserves to be made fun of. im sure they exist, but they are not as common as people think they are. for the most part, i hear more positive things about spendy customers far more often than i hear dancers making fun of them.
she sells sanctuary
11-19-2008, 08:22 AM
What about guys who pay providers/prostitutes? Do you think that they are pathetic as well?
so, an opinion from a different dancer...
no, not at all. but, i have a lot more respect for guys who spend more money on better quality. i do consider guys who expect to pay almost nothing for everything to be pretty pathetic. these are the sorts of guys who brag about how they know all the money will just go to the pimp anyways. but i've always prefered spending on quality to getting a bargain on crap. in every area of life, i consider stinginess incredibly pathetic, not just in strip clubs or the hobbyist world.
mind, this is coming from a girl who has made many a customer cum in his pants. i only consider them pathetic if they grab on my hips and all that. i set my own rhythm. i am the professional here. frankly, i'm pretty proud. not allowed to say so in the club, though, because that could be construed as prostitution. bummer.
in the same way, a guy who thinks the dance price is permission to lick tits and touch pussy, well, it's called a strip club. or if they try to pull their dicks out thinking i won't see them (come on dude). there are other places you can go for that stuff.
oh, and really, it takes more than one song. be prepared to get a lot of dances or a timed room, and just enjoy the buildup.
otherwise, just save your money and jerk yourself off in the bathroom.
pinkpuff
11-19-2008, 06:14 PM
i wasnt aware a strip club was actually a happy ending grind club.
the only guys who have cummed in their pants were guys who were holding me down the whole time against my will. i take active measures to make sure a guy DOESNT splurge his pants . and you are PROUD when they do? Are you for real? Wtf??
i cant even begin to tell you how unsanitary and pathetic it is for a guy to do that.
Otoki
11-19-2008, 11:09 PM
i wasnt aware a strip club was actually a happy ending grind club.
the only guys who have cummed in their pants were guys who were holding me down the whole time against my will. i take active measures to make sure a guy DOESNT splurge his pants . and you are PROUD when they do? Are you for real? Wtf??
i cant even begin to tell you how unsanitary and pathetic it is for a guy to do that.
OK, I really don't like this post. Maybe she's proud because of the power she has over their sexual self control. Just because it's not something you're comfortable with doesn't give you an excuse to judge her.
If this is going to be your attitude towards the dancers on the board you may as well just leave. I find this extremely disrespectful. There are girls on here who meet customers OTC. Some girls here do toy shows. Are you going to berate them, too?
The sex industry is full of workers who do all sorts of different things, based on their comfort level. I respect all of those workers who respect themselves, love themselves, and put their own safety and comfort first, from air-dancers to full-on prostitutes. Your attempt to make sss feel BAD about herself is rude, and accomplishes absolutely nothing.
pinkpuff
11-20-2008, 02:43 AM
OK, I really don't like this post. Maybe she's proud because of the power she has over their sexual self control. Just because it's not something you're comfortable with doesn't give you an excuse to judge her.
If this is going to be your attitude towards the dancers on the board you may as well just leave. I find this extremely disrespectful. There are girls on here who meet customers OTC. Some girls here do toy shows. Are you going to berate them, too?
The sex industry is full of workers who do all sorts of different things, based on their comfort level. I respect all of those workers who respect themselves, love themselves, and put their own safety and comfort first, from air-dancers to full-on prostitutes. Your attempt to make sss feel BAD about herself is rude, and accomplishes absolutely nothing.
Plenty of dancers on this board have expressed disgust at things like customers cumming in their pants, as well as smaller things like dancers who allow boob contact or or girls who do fully nude dances.
I am not there to be a whore, im there to entertain, not to jack guys off. I feel like its girls like this that ruin it for the rest of us and cause more and more sweat pants boner men to come into the club looking to get off. i think most wold agree that most dancers would be a lot happier if guys didnt come to the club expecting to ejaculate. aside from it being a health risk, its very very annoying for the rest of us to have to deal with.
glambman
11-20-2008, 11:57 AM
for the most part, yes. the vast majority of the regulars in all the clubs ive worked at have fit into 1 of 2 catagories
1. lookie looes. these guys are so angry and pathetic that they take out their rage from years of being rejected by beautiful women by sitting in the club every single freaking day, not spending a dollar on stage or on a single dance, and simply STARING at the stage for hours on end. When a dancer does come by he either says shit that doesnt make sense or rants about how strippers call customers who spend money "suckers"
2. Pervs looking for extras. These guys are there almost every single day too and most of the time they are talking to the manager about which girl they can become friendly with so she can give em an extra special dance. a lot of times they go home without even picking a girl to dance for them. They for some reason have the delusion that the girl they do pick is a good girl who suddenly becomes naughty and provides extras ONLY for them because they are extra special
none of the customers i have made money off of or even respected have been regulars. so yes i think for the most part, with a few exceptions, strip club regs are losers.
So, would it be fair to say that most strippers fit in one of two categories:
1.) Say anything you can to get into his pants (the pocket with the money).
And..
2.) Those that will do anything to get his money.
I find most men to be somewhat difficult now.
They used to be easy, but as a result of the economic downturn they've become nowhere near as easy.
When money was mose abudant, they were more willing to spend. They got they're attention (after they paid for it) loved it, and got addicted. Now they are addicted, feel they deserve the attention, but don't want to pay for, they think they should just get it. Even a few of my regulars require anywhere from 10 minutes up to a half-hour of conversation (far more than someone deserves if they don't pay me) before they'll take their dance.
I agree. There's definitely been a growing sense of entitlement even in the three years I've been dancing, ESPECIALLY when the economy started going to shit.
It seems you've described quite a number of dancers who feel entitled to money because they take their clothes off.
Plenty of dancers on this board have expressed disgust at things like customers cumming in their pants, as well as smaller things like dancers who allow boob contact or or girls who do fully nude dances.
I am not there to be a whore, im there to entertain, not to jack guys off. I feel like its girls like this that ruin it for the rest of us and cause more and more sweat pants boner men to come into the club looking to get off. i think most wold agree that most dancers would be a lot happier if guys didnt come to the club expecting to ejaculate. aside from it being a health risk, its very very annoying for the rest of us to have to deal with.
You're there to sell sex, like a escort, etc.. Granted, not to the same extent, but the illusion, fantasy, etc.. Hey, some custies can't differentiate, but neither can some dancers.
I guess I'm lucky in that I haven't met anyone who can make me be easy.
she sells sanctuary
11-20-2008, 03:49 PM
i wasnt aware a strip club was actually a happy ending grind club.
the only guys who have cummed in their pants were guys who were holding me down the whole time against my will. i take active measures to make sure a guy DOESNT splurge his pants . and you are PROUD when they do? Are you for real? Wtf??
i cant even begin to tell you how unsanitary and pathetic it is for a guy to do that.
i work at a full nude, full contact club in tampa. full contact means no asshole, no pussy, and no touching his dick.
that is, yeah, we can grind. not all girls do. a lot don't.
i'm proud because do you know how hard it is to make a grown man cum in his pants? regular pants, not basketball shorts (i stay away from them too, because they're the types that will try to hold you down and won't tip). without jerking him off or letting him touch my pussy or any of that. and usually without straight up grinding (it hurts my girly parts). get ready for this...i grind with my tits. yeah. i go as far as i can without breaking rules.
oh, but i pull away before anything can seep onto my skin. and it's not like they all cum. but fuck, if my job made me feel dirty, i'd work at mcdonalds or something. whatever i do, i take pride in doing it well.
seriously pinkpuff. get off your high horse. most of my pride comes from not being a hypocrite like you.
Otoki
11-20-2008, 05:17 PM
Plenty of dancers on this board have expressed disgust at things like customers cumming in their pants, as well as smaller things like dancers who allow boob contact or or girls who do fully nude dances.
I am not there to be a whore, im there to entertain, not to jack guys off. I feel like its girls like this that ruin it for the rest of us and cause more and more sweat pants boner men to come into the club looking to get off. i think most wold agree that most dancers would be a lot happier if guys didnt come to the club expecting to ejaculate. aside from it being a health risk, its very very annoying for the rest of us to have to deal with.
You can express disgust at guys cumming in their pants without judging a fellow dancer. Sure, some of the stuff other dancers are comfortable with would never, EVER fly with me, but I'm not going to criticize them for doing something they're comfortable with if they're not breaking club rules (which sss is clearly NOT).
pinkpuff
11-21-2008, 02:47 AM
i work at a full nude, full contact club in tampa. full contact means no asshole, no pussy, and no touching his dick.
that is, yeah, we can grind. not all girls do. a lot don't.
i'm proud because do you know how hard it is to make a grown man cum in his pants? regular pants, not basketball shorts (i stay away from them too, because they're the types that will try to hold you down and won't tip). without jerking him off or letting him touch my pussy or any of that. and usually without straight up grinding (it hurts my girly parts). get ready for this...i grind with my tits. yeah. i go as far as i can without breaking rules.
oh, but i pull away before anything can seep onto my skin. and it's not like they all cum. but fuck, if my job made me feel dirty, i'd work at mcdonalds or something. whatever i do, i take pride in doing it well.
seriously pinkpuff. get off your high horse. most of my pride comes from not being a hypocrite like you.
its fairly easy. all you need to do is grind him for the whole dance,basically have dry sex with him, especially the type of guy who visits a strip club and most likely doesnt get laid for free by a pretty girl very often.
why do you feel the need to go so far anyway? do you think it makes you more money? ive made about 3 guys cum in their pants while working at a club frequented by nasty hobbiests who go into the club looking for happy endings, and every time they have tipped me 20 bucks or less. Wheras ive had plenty of guys who i barely even sat on who tipped me 40-100 bucks. So dont feel like making them cum is going to get them to give you more money...its not. if i felt my job was to get a guy off then i wouldnt be doing this...id be too traumatized
Golden_Rule
11-21-2008, 02:51 AM
o come on that girl sounds so ghetto. anyone who would agree to a dance with someone like that deserves to be made fun of. im sure they exist, but they are not as common as people think they are. for the most part, i hear more positive things about spendy customers far more often than i hear dancers making fun of them.
Well that is all I said, that they exist. I didn't claim they were common. In fact, the contrary. Just one end of a very large curve.
glambman
11-21-2008, 08:53 AM
its fairly easy. all you need to do is grind him for the whole dance,basically have dry sex with him, especially the type of guy who visits a strip club and most likely doesnt get laid for free by a pretty girl very often.
lol there you go again, placing strippers on a pedestal. Most strippers are not very pretty girls (HOT), and if they weren't taking clothes off, they wouldn't get a second look. Sorry to burst your bubble, mind posting some of your pics so we can see if you are as described.
Otoki
11-21-2008, 09:19 AM
^^I don't think she's placing strippers on a pedestal (as is quite clear by her quickness to judge other dancers) but she's definitely placing HERSELF on one.
glambman
11-21-2008, 09:31 AM
^^I don't think she's placing strippers on a pedestal (as is quite clear by her quickness to judge other dancers) but she's definitely placing HERSELF on one.
haha I had just woken up a few minutes before posting/ logging in to SW. And you are correct, I apologize to any woman who took offense.
And also, women, please don't misinterpret my post, because I also don't mean to imply that they would be ugly.
Thank you. :)
she sells sanctuary
11-21-2008, 12:51 PM
its fairly easy. all you need to do is grind him for the whole dance,basically have dry sex with him, especially the type of guy who visits a strip club and most likely doesnt get laid for free by a pretty girl very often.
why do you feel the need to go so far anyway? do you think it makes you more money? ive made about 3 guys cum in their pants while working at a club frequented by nasty hobbiests who go into the club looking for happy endings, and every time they have tipped me 20 bucks or less. Wheras ive had plenty of guys who i barely even sat on who tipped me 40-100 bucks. So dont feel like making them cum is going to get them to give you more money...its not. if i felt my job was to get a guy off then i wouldnt be doing this...id be too traumatized
only i don't have dry sex with them. i move around a lot. and i take longer to do it than one dance. not to mention, guys actually do need to build up to it. getting a dance doesn't mean a guy is already hard. or that he can blow in 3 minutes in a pair of jeans.
in general, a lot of girls promise a lot to a guy or at least imply it. some deliver, some don't. i'm in the middle, since i'm not gonna commit prostitution, so they'll only get off if they only need the stimulation they can get through their pants. but at the same time, it's just bad business to let a guy think his 400$ is going to get him off and then spend the whole time practically air dancing. of course, i also would never grind a guy who just wanted to cuddle. it would be very unsatisfying for him, a waste of money since it wasn't what he was paying for.
that said, i know it doesn't make me more money. i don't make much at all. it's just what i do. and i'm not ugly. i think i'm a bit overweight for my build, but i didn't make any more when i was in better shape.
oh, and for the record, if a guy holds you down on him, you need to dig your nails into his arms or slap him or something, because what he is doing is not okay. even i don't let guys pull that shit.
Earl_the_Pearl
11-21-2008, 10:18 PM
And also, women, please don't misinterpret my post, because I also don't mean to imply that they would be ugly.
I will say this; dancers do know how to use paints and powders to beguile men.:-[
Otoki
11-22-2008, 01:34 AM
only i don't have dry sex with them. i move around a lot. and i take longer to do it than one dance. not to mention, guys actually do need to build up to it. getting a dance doesn't mean a guy is already hard. or that he can blow in 3 minutes in a pair of jeans.
in general, a lot of girls promise a lot to a guy or at least imply it. some deliver, some don't. i'm in the middle, since i'm not gonna commit prostitution, so they'll only get off if they only need the stimulation they can get through their pants. but at the same time, it's just bad business to let a guy think his 400$ is going to get him off and then spend the whole time practically air dancing. of course, i also would never grind a guy who just wanted to cuddle. it would be very unsatisfying for him, a waste of money since it wasn't what he was paying for.
that said, i know it doesn't make me more money. i don't make much at all. it's just what i do. and i'm not ugly. i think i'm a bit overweight for my build, but i didn't make any more when i was in better shape.
oh, and for the record, if a guy holds you down on him, you need to dig your nails into his arms or slap him or something, because what he is doing is not okay. even i don't let guys pull that shit.
Indeed. Oh, and +1 about guys holding you down. As soon as they try you bolt and get the bouncer. FUCK that.
bsteve
11-22-2008, 09:36 PM
^^^^
Yeah, I caught that too. Having guys "hold you down against your will" to sexually stimulate themselves and to orgasm? I don't know where Pink' lives, but in some jurisdictions there is about three or four crimes right there.
Personally, I am into domination; I like to hold down my wife during the deed or alternatively, I like being held down by my wife. So holding a dancer down would be a turn on (not against her will, of course) for me. Sometimes, around the 3rd or 4th LD, I hold a dancer's wrists for a couple of seconds, or have her hold her mine. I've never noticed that the dancers would be uncomfortable with that.
soslow2
11-22-2008, 10:19 PM
I’ve posted just a few things on this forum and in no way have ever thought ill of or meant anything mean spirited. I do have to agree that the few short fused ones must be very angry with themselves not the guys. Ladies it’s certainly your forum to do with as you wish but you really shouldn’t lump all guys into the same pile as we guys shouldn’t lump you ladies into the same category. I’ve said it before I appreciate your doing what you do for me and always give larger then normal restitution for the pleasures on mind and body that you have created specifically for me at that moment. I honestly feel great sadness and compassion for the few who are being consumed by their chosen profession.
If it were me ………………..I’d get another job. We ALL have options.
she sells sanctuary
11-23-2008, 02:56 AM
^^^^
Yeah, I caught that too. Having guys "hold you down against your will" to sexually stimulate themselves and to orgasm? I don't know where Pink' lives, but in some jurisdictions there is about three or four crimes right there.
Personally, I am into domination; I like to hold down my wife during the deed or alternatively, I like being held down by my wife. So holding a dancer down would be a turn on (not against her will, of course) for me. Sometimes, around the 3rd or 4th LD, I hold a dancer's wrists for a couple of seconds, or have her hold her mine. I've never noticed that the dancers would be uncomfortable with that.
oh man, i love the guys who are cool with me holding them down during the dance for a bit. arms above head against the back of the booth, that's my favorite. hawt. it's part of the whole "i'm the pro here" thing.
alternately, i'm cool with a guy holding my wrists, some hair pulling, whatever. you can usually tell when you start with someone if they're the sort who just wants a thrill or if they're just sickos. i don't give the sickos much. but the guys who are just having fun, well, fun is fun.
there's no way i can let a guy hold me down for grinding purposes, though, no matter how okay he is. it's a balance thing. a fall over, heel goes into his foot or platform breaks a mirror sort of balance thing.
Otoki
11-23-2008, 02:31 PM
^^^^
Yeah, I caught that too. Having guys "hold you down against your will" to sexually stimulate themselves and to orgasm? I don't know where Pink' lives, but in some jurisdictions there is about three or four crimes right there.
Personally, I am into domination; I like to hold down my wife during the deed or alternatively, I like being held down by my wife. So holding a dancer down would be a turn on (not against her will, of course) for me. Sometimes, around the 3rd or 4th LD, I hold a dancer's wrists for a couple of seconds, or have her hold her mine. I've never noticed that the dancers would be uncomfortable with that.
I agree about the crime thing, but unless there's penetration I doubt law enforcement would care. Then again, it depends on the cops (and their relationship with the club).
I LOVE LOVE LOVE holding guys down, smacking them around, etc if that's what they want. I don't like guys trying to restrain me, but again, it's a control thing. When I'm at work I want to take every precaution to avoid bad situations. Holding hands is fine, though.
Golden_Rule
11-25-2008, 03:16 PM
I agree about the crime thing, but unless there's penetration I doubt law enforcement would care. Then again, it depends on the cops (and their relationship with the club).
Not always true.
In NJ they have a "criminal sexual contact" law that doesn't require penetration to violate. NY has a similar law I believe.
Otoki
11-25-2008, 03:32 PM
^^Good to know.
glambman
11-25-2008, 04:56 PM
It may be the difference between a felony and a misdemeanor, but it is still a crime.
EDIT:: whoops, I see that the original statement was the LE wouldn't care unless there is penetration. Then file a Police report and then call the DA, who is the one who prosecutes. Just because LE may not take it seriously doesn't mean a DA also will not take it seriously.
Please get back on topic. If you are qualified to offer legal advise, keep it in PM.
Thanks,
FBR
bsteve
11-25-2008, 09:08 PM
If you are qualified to offer legal advise, keep it in PM.
Uh, those qualified to give legal advise would give a quality legal advise for FREE about as frequently as dancers giving quality lap dances for FREE. :)
Golden_Rule
11-26-2008, 09:37 AM
Side note to that, as I make clear in disclaimers I attach when I do so, when I give information on legal topics I do so as a former ENFORCER of laws, not as professional legal counsel.
It may or not be even more relevant from a view point of 'real world' staying out of jail, but it shouldn't be confused with legal advice.
pinkpuff
11-26-2008, 10:12 PM
lol there you go again, placing strippers on a pedestal. Most strippers are not very pretty girls (HOT), and if they weren't taking clothes off, they wouldn't get a second look. Sorry to burst your bubble, mind posting some of your pics so we can see if you are as described.
so then why exactly do you go to strip clubs? Are you so ugly that you get off on an ugly girl sitting on your lap? I mean really, if you think strippers are ugly why even bother going to a strip club?
i will post photos if you post em :-)
pinkpuff
11-26-2008, 10:15 PM
^^^^
Yeah, I caught that too. Having guys "hold you down against your will" to sexually stimulate themselves and to orgasm? I don't know where Pink' lives, but in some jurisdictions there is about three or four crimes right there.
Personally, I am into domination; I like to hold down my wife during the deed or alternatively, I like being held down by my wife. So holding a dancer down would be a turn on (not against her will, of course) for me. Sometimes, around the 3rd or 4th LD, I hold a dancer's wrists for a couple of seconds, or have her hold her mine. I've never noticed that the dancers would be uncomfortable with that.
I live in LA. Here managers are more likely to side with the customers. In fact in one club I work at, all the VIP customers are basically johns looking for prostitutes. You cant call the johns out on it because they will whine to the manager who will scold you saying "this guy (wearing sweatpants for easy access) spends a lot of money here, dont be mean to him"
bsteve
11-27-2008, 12:57 AM
At the risk of pissing off FBR, let me just respond to GR's posting...
Side note to that, as I make clear in disclaimers I attach when I do so, when I give information on legal topics I do so as a former ENFORCER of laws, not as professional legal counsel.
It may or not be even more relevant from a view point of 'real world' staying out of jail, but it shouldn't be confused with legal advice.
I agree with you 100% that your experience as a former LEO is more relevant then some lawyer's advise. And I don't think that anyone would confuse your or mine advise on this website as legal advice. That would just be asinine. You give practical advise, not legal advice.
[ rant on ]
But I see that all the time; people write something about a situation in a forum, and must put disclaimers, lest they be accused of UPL. Why is it that NJ MVC can put out a driver's handbook about rules of the road for drivers, but NJ SP can put out a guidebook on how to buy, transport, store, carry, etc. firearms? The cops say that they can't provide "legal advice", which basically does not help at all, and people just have to guess what to do; you know that they wont talk to a lawyer about it and they wont understand the laws even if they knew where to find it. That is just stupid. :(
[ rant off ]
glambman
11-27-2008, 09:00 AM
so then why exactly do you go to strip clubs? Are you so ugly that you get off on an ugly girl sitting on your lap? I mean really, if you think strippers are ugly why even bother going to a strip club?
i will post photos if you post em :-)
I'm not the one who has anything to prove by posting pics. Go to any strip club website, and you will see the VERY PRETTY GIRLS are few and far between. When the OG in LV had the photo section, ~150 or so girls, there were only 2 that I would have been interested in. The rest, ehhh average. Again, it doesn't mean they are ugly.
Also, can you keep it civil, there is no need for name calling/ insults. In my experience, those that resort to that position first, are the ones that are in the wrong.
pinkpuff
11-27-2008, 03:05 PM
I'm not the one who has anything to prove by posting pics. Go to any strip club website, and you will see the VERY PRETTY GIRLS are few and far between. When the OG in LV had the photo section, ~150 or so girls, there were only 2 that I would have been interested in. The rest, ehhh average. Again, it doesn't mean they are ugly.
Also, can you keep it civil, there is no need for name calling/ insults. In my experience, those that resort to that position first, are the ones that are in the wrong.
I asked you to post photos because asking someone to post photos on a public site like this just to prove themselves is ridiculous and and invasion of privacy. if you think i should be willing to post photos of myself on a site like this then you should be more than willing to comply as well.
And i work at several clubs, i dont know where you live but the vast majority of the girls i have worked with have at least been slightly above average looking. and i am a girl and actually have high standards. guys are much more forgiving than girls are so to the guys who visit, all the girls are basically gorgeous. Im sorry if your only experience has been at some rundown whore house full of obese dancers with missing teeth, but everywhere i have worked, the dancers have been decent looking, and by far much more attractive than the vast majority of the patrons.
again, if you think girls who work at strip clubs are so repulsive why the fuck are you so obssessed with us?
And considering how you claim to have such high standards that you would only be "interested" in 2 girls out of 150 then you do infact have something to prove by posting a photo because clearly you must think you are ridiculously good looking to be so picky.
glambman
11-27-2008, 03:28 PM
I asked you to post photos because asking someone to post photos on a public site like this just to prove themselves is ridiculous and and invasion of privacy. if you think i should be willing to post photos of myself on a site like this then you should be more than willing to comply as well.
You are the one who has given themselves the title that they ARE HOT.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
And i work at several clubs, i dont know where you live but the vast majority of the girls i have worked with have at least been slightly above average looking.
So you admit it, right?
BTW: can you show me were I said most dancers are ugly? Just because you repeat your lie, it doesn't make it true.
pinkpuff
11-27-2008, 06:44 PM
You are the one who has given themselves the title that they ARE HOT.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
So you admit it, right?
BTW: can you show me were I said most dancers are ugly? Just because you repeat your lie, it doesn't make it true.
No actually I am much more forgiving than you are since you say that basically all dancers are "average" or plain. So obviously you think rather highly of yourself if you wouldnt even be interested in most dancers. YOU are the one claiming your shit doesnt stink.
I didnt realize claiming to be hot was an "extraordinary claim though"
Obviously you have ridiculous standards and believe only .00000001 percent of the population is hot. I believe a much larger number of people are hot, so my claim isnt extraordinary. Now your belief in your own hotness is extraordinary considering how picky you claim to be.
admit what? that dancers are typically much more good looking than the patrons?? you said you disagree and that dancers wouldnt be given a second look by customers if they werent naked.
average= ugly. Especially considering that you say you wouldnt be "interested" in anyone who wasnt gorgeous. So obviously you either think you are the most handsome man alive and only deserve the very best or you seem to think average=hideous
glambman
11-27-2008, 06:58 PM
No actually I am much more forgiving than you are since you say that basically all dancers are "average" or plain. So obviously you think rather highly of yourself if you wouldnt even be interested in most dancers. YOU are the one claiming your shit doesnt stink.
I didnt realize claiming to be hot was an "extraordinary claim though"
Obviously you have ridiculous standards and believe only .00000001 percent of the population is hot. I believe a much larger number of people are hot, so my claim isnt extraordinary. Now your belief in your own hotness is extraordinary considering how picky you claim to be.
admit what? that dancers are typically much more good looking than the patrons?? you said you disagree and that dancers wouldnt be given a second look by customers if they werent naked.
average= ugly. Especially considering that you say you wouldnt be "interested" in anyone who wasnt gorgeous. So obviously you either think you are the most handsome man alive and only deserve the very best or you seem to think average=hideous
You see, you said this " average= ugly." Your words. I have never said anything of the sort.
You placed strippers on the pedestal, and said ALL STRIPPERS ARE VERY HOT!!!!! Very ho....whoops, VERY HOT means an absolute 10. You know, where you have placed yourself. And I said that quite a few dancers wouldn't be given a second look if they were clothed. It's not a blanket term that includes all (or even half of ) dancers. Just the fact, ma'am.
'Gorgeous' is in the eyes of the beholder. I prefer 8's over 10's. Remember this: wherever a hot chick is, there is a guy tired of her shit.
pinkpuff
11-27-2008, 07:27 PM
very hot isnt placing them on a pedestal. last time i checked no one won a nobel peace prize for being hot...its just a fact, strippers are overall out of the league of the men who pay for their services.
you seem to have some very strong hatred towards women. perhaps because you cant get the 8s that you adore so much.
Also if you prefer 8s then wtf at your statement that you would only give 2 of the 150 girls on that website a chance. wtff. so what does that mean that only 2 were 8s and 100 were 10s? or that only 2 were 8s and the rest were lower than that?
glambman
11-27-2008, 07:44 PM
very hot isnt placing them on a pedestal. last time i checked no one won a nobel peace prize for being hot...its just a fact, strippers are overall out of the league of the men who pay for their services.
you seem to have some very strong hatred towards women. perhaps because you cant get the 8s that you adore so much.
Also if you prefer 8s then wtf at your statement that you would only give 2 of the 150 girls on that website a chance. wtff. so what does that mean that only 2 were 8s and 100 were 10s? or that only 2 were 8s and the rest were lower than that?
The Nobel Peace Prize may not be given for being hot, but it is given for political reasons. Look up why Jimmy Carter got his. (hint: as a protest to Dubya) Why else would a terrorist (Arafat) get one?
You again are trying to put words in my mouth. Yes, I said that were only a couple I would have been interested in, but when you get down to it, there were no (your words) VERY HOT girls. Again, just the facts, ma'am.
hockeybobby
11-27-2008, 09:52 PM
This thread deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for Advanced Silliness.
Otoki
11-28-2008, 12:14 AM
It also deserves honorable mention for highest number of ridiculously self-righteous posts.
hl1986
11-28-2008, 12:01 PM
I guess I'm lucky in that I haven't met anyone who can make me be easy.
Dude.. You're on a STRIPPER website - trust me, you're easy..
I could break ya with a half assed shake of an ass cheek. ::) (Sorry sorry - couldn't resist the ultra corny pun).
Golden_Rule
11-28-2008, 07:01 PM
[ rant on ]
But I see that all the time; people write something about a situation in a forum, and must put disclaimers, lest they be accused of UPL. Why is it that NJ MVC can put out a driver's handbook about rules of the road for drivers, but NJ SP can put out a guidebook on how to buy, transport, store, carry, etc. firearms? The cops say that they can't provide "legal advice", which basically does not help at all, and people just have to guess what to do; you know that they wont talk to a lawyer about it and they wont understand the laws even if they knew where to find it. That is just stupid. :(
[ rant off ]
The answer to that resides, most of the time, in the State's Attorney General office and the County Prosecutors.
They, as the source of law enforcement doctrine, wish to maintain control over what gets published to the public and therefore established as policy.
So an agency like the NJSP, though they would likely do much of the enforcing on the public roads for something like you mention above, defer to the AG and the CPs and if they publish no criteria, which the often do not because to do so creates the double edged sword of written policy which can be used against you as well as for you, there is nothing out there on which to go on.
Cops complain about it all the time so you're not alone on this one.
Golden_Rule
11-28-2008, 07:06 PM
very hot isnt placing them on a pedestal. last time i checked no one won a nobel peace prize for being hot...its just a fact, strippers are overall out of the league of the men who pay for their services.
I think you need to rethink that a bit.
As I have said elsewhere there is a large body of men who seek services from sex workers NOT because they can't get them by "normal" means, but because they don't desire to become involved with the "normal" social entanglements that come with getting them.
These men pay for sexual thrills or services because they find it easier to pay and walk away, or have the women leave, than to owe other forms of social encumbrances which are the standard payment for this exchange of favors.
SassyPants
11-29-2008, 07:23 AM
very hot isnt placing them on a pedestal. last time i checked no one won a nobel peace prize for being hot...its just a fact, strippers are overall out of the league of the men who pay for their services.
I just need a bit of clarification.
In what way are strippers out of the league of our customers? And I mean paying, respectful customers.
Golden_Rule
11-30-2008, 10:43 AM
These men pay for sexual thrills or services because they find it easier to pay and walk away, or have the women leave, than to owe other forms of social encumbrances which are the standard payment for this exchange of favors.
And - shame on me - forgot to add that they are very appreciative of the women who prefer coin of the realm over said social encumbrances. Thus making life much simpler for them.
Thank you, dear Ladies. Thank you.
yoda57us
11-30-2008, 12:31 PM
As I have said elsewhere there is a large body of men who seek services from sex workers NOT because they can't get them by "normal" means, but because they don't desire to become involved with the "normal" social entanglements that come with getting them.
These men pay for sexual thrills or services because they find it easier to pay and walk away, or have the women leave, than to owe other forms of social encumbrances which are the standard payment for this exchange of favors.
Bingo! I find it a bit presumptuous of any stripper to assume that guys are only hanging around in strip clubs because they can't get near a good looking woman otherwise.
Otoki
11-30-2008, 01:06 PM
And - shame on me - forgot to add that they are very appreciative of the women who prefer coin of the realm over said social encumbrances. Thus making life much simpler for them.
Thank you, dear Ladies. Thank you.
Agreed. I manage an online Sex Worker's support group, and no matter what kind of sex work is being discussed, there are always stories about wonderful, gracious customers who treat the workers well.
Bingo! I find it a bit presumptuous of any stripper to assume that guys are only hanging around in strip clubs because they can't get near a good looking woman otherwise.
Exactly. I find this stuck-up attitude to be ignorant and irritating.
I just need a bit of clarification.
In what way are strippers out of the league of our customers? And I mean paying, respectful customers.
I was wondering this myself.
not_a_custy
11-30-2008, 02:08 PM
SassyPants, what a nice attitude! I assume, though, the league business would
be about the unlikely circumstance where a hot 20 year old would hang out with a fifty year old guy outside of the club. Could happen but she would more probably be likely to hang with a hot 20 year old guy if no money is being exchanged for entertainment. :D
pinkpuff
12-02-2008, 01:53 AM
The Nobel Peace Prize may not be given for being hot, but it is given for political reasons. Look up why Jimmy Carter got his. (hint: as a protest to Dubya) Why else would a terrorist (Arafat) get one?
You again are trying to put words in my mouth. Yes, I said that were only a couple I would have been interested in, but when you get down to it, there were no (your words) VERY HOT girls. Again, just the facts, ma'am.
i am not putting any words in your mouth. you obviously are very picky. you must think you are extraordinarily good looking to be so picky. ugly guys will take what they can get. average guys will think all strippers are hot. the only people who would ever think only 2 out of 150 strippers are pretty are those that think they are the hottest man alive.
I think you need to rethink that a bit.
As I have said elsewhere there is a large body of men who seek services from sex workers NOT because they can't get them by "normal" means, but because they don't desire to become involved with the "normal" social entanglements that come with getting them.
These men pay for sexual thrills or services because they find it easier to pay and walk away, or have the women leave, than to owe other forms of social encumbrances which are the standard payment for this exchange of favors.
i am concluding this not from the fact that these men are paying for thrills but from what i have seen working at several clubs. i rarely see men i am attracted to or that many young beautiful women would find attractive, and when i do, they are the guys who are there with friends and they show up once in a blue moon. they are not the guys who come once or more a week and spend lots of money. your theory makes sense, but lets face it, when was the last time you saw a very attractive man who would be attractive to young beautiful women without having to flash his wallet go to a strip club? it doesnt happen all too often. Sure there are some good looking older guys who come in, but i have a huge feeling these guys arent getting 20 year old bombshell ass outside of the club. maybe they are getting 40 year old bombshell ass sure...but not the same type of ass they would find at a strip club.
and the whole walking away thing...have you ever worked as a stripper? I suggest you do a search on the term "number" or "otc" outside the club and you will see how insanely annoyingly popular it is for customers to beg for strippers phone number or for dates outside the club. if it was as simple as customers going in, spending money, and then walking away, we would all be a lot happier. unfortunately, a vast majority of customers do want to continue seeing the dancer they get dances from after the club closes. I think a lot of men use this excuse as to why they buy hookers. "oh im too busy, oh i dont want a relationship im not paying for sex im paying for them to walk away" in reality i think they use this excuse to cover their embarrassment and to help heal their wounded ego because they cannot get the type of women they want for free. im sure they can get A woman, just not one who is young, firm, and decent looking
pinkpuff
12-02-2008, 01:57 AM
And - shame on me - forgot to add that they are very appreciative of the women who prefer coin of the realm over said social encumbrances. Thus making life much simpler for them.
Thank you, dear Ladies. Thank you.
again, unfortunately this is not true of all, or even most men. hookers are at a much greater risk of getting killed than the average woman. a lot of men have a ton of pent up anger towards sex workers. some take out their anger by going to strip clubs every day and sitting with their arms crossed with an angry look on their face nursing a drink all night and insulting any dancer who dares ask them for a dance, while others go as far as to hire hookers so they can rape and torture them. A lot of men seem to be angry that most women can make money off of doing something they would gladly do for free. im not saying this is all men, but you cant say that all men are appreciative of sex workers. it is clear you or not a dancer, seems you are a guy, so i see why you think the way you do.