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britneyireland
04-18-2009, 05:19 PM
....drum roll please.....
I am very happy and proud to announce...
TODAY April 18, 2009 that we are OPEN !!!
Here's the qualification on that: The "official" launch is April 30, but we are working the kinks out before that. We already have a few members, but don't want to open the floodgates just yet.
We're tossing the idea around of giving 10% off up front to SW members that use a coupon code when they sign up. Just a perk for helping us test things.
Would anyone want to help us get the bugs out and get a discount?
ladyteesexy145
04-19-2009, 07:53 AM
Yeah I was sent a email letting me know that they have been working so that it can be new and improved. I can't wait!! The owner for my club said when it can be purchased he was going to get a couple kits for the girls. I would like to help any way I can.
zorabelle
04-19-2009, 08:20 AM
You can count me in!
Winged Dinghy
04-19-2009, 08:42 AM
....drum roll please.....
Would anyone want to help us get the bugs out and get a discount?
Ooh, I would love to! Just to clarify, would this be a discount just for the Dancer Wealth program, or would we need to also buy Dancer Wise and Dancer Victory too?
britneyireland
04-19-2009, 09:53 AM
Yay! I'm so excited to get this going!
LadyTee, the program is no longer a "kit" its an interactive online tutorial. Your club manager can contact us at
[email protected] for our club programs.
Winged Dingy-you can buy one, two, or all three for the discount, and if you want to get the most bang for your buck, buy the tri-pack with the discount code.
We haven't made the discount code yet though....stay tuned or if you REALLY CANT WAIT to get started shoot us an email with "I want to be a beta-member for a discount" to
[email protected] That routes straight to my Blackberry.
Otoki
04-19-2009, 01:57 PM
So, let me get this straight: we pay more money the longer it takes to get through the program?
britneyireland
04-19-2009, 04:43 PM
It's not a class that ever "ends." I believe in lifelong learning, and I am constantly learning new strategies every day.
It is a membership based site, instead of paying $300 one time for a binder and cds, you pay $99 to have access to the site content, discussion boards, and video archives. One of the problems with the Home Study Course was that the student was left on her own to figure out how to implement the strategies and didn't have any followup or coaching unless she made an appointment with Adam. With the new format, there is as much follow up as you want from me, Adam, and Donovan.
I strive to create a win-win situation for everyone. I lowered the price by 66%, and increased the services. Even if it takes you 9 months to finish the course, you will be paying the same price I did for the one day seminar with no follow up.
Otoki
04-21-2009, 12:46 AM
It's not a class that ever "ends." I believe in lifelong learning, and I am constantly learning new strategies every day.
It is a membership based site, instead of paying $300 one time for a binder and cds, you pay $99 to have access to the site content, discussion boards, and video archives. One of the problems with the Home Study Course was that the student was left on her own to figure out how to implement the strategies and didn't have any followup or coaching unless she made an appointment with Adam. With the new format, there is as much follow up as you want from me, Adam, and Donovan.
I strive to create a win-win situation for everyone. I lowered the price by 66%, and increased the services. Even if it takes you 9 months to finish the course, you will be paying the same price I did for the one day seminar with no follow up.
That definitely answers my question. I was wondering what changes there were to make the membership format make sense. This sounds great!
luvbuniz
04-23-2009, 11:34 AM
:-* I've bought the new Dancerwealth and it's good. It's not a rehash of the old course and much more sales based. I pretty much banked the first few days after watching the videos.
zorabelle
04-24-2009, 10:12 AM
I just enrolled last night as a 'beta-member' for a slight discount, and I must admit that the material is very good! I haven't started dancing yet, and will begin the transition from my current job into the SC within this upcoming month, and I honestly believe that DancerWealth will give me an edge.
There aren't a TON of videos/tutorials up yet (More are going to be added right, Avalon? [fingers crossed!;D], but the material that is up so far is FANTASTIC!!! I can't wait to see what else is in store!!!
britneyireland
04-24-2009, 01:37 PM
luvbuniz: Awesome! That comment makes ALL my hard work worthwhile!!! I'm so happy for you!
Zorabelle: yes, I have a lot more to add. Still in Beta-testing. The core course content is up, I have several supplementary videos that demonstrate exactly how to apply the concepts planned.
firemaiden04
04-26-2009, 08:13 PM
Any specific ideas on what's going into the DancerFit area, and when?
britneyireland
04-27-2009, 12:25 PM
My vision for DancerFit is similar to Shape, Fit, or Oxygen Magazine. Fitness tips, recipes, articles, workouts, etc. I'm also going to record some stripper-specific workout videos (like 10 mins of yoga stretches for when you get home and your lower back is killing you) It's accessible by everyone now (err...and there's nothing there yet) If you didn't know...I've worked in the fitness industry since 1996 and am an ACE-certified Group Fitness Instructor and Personal Trainer. I also went through the rigorous Peak Pilates and YogaFit 500-hour instructor certifications.
We plan to make it a free bonus subscription for anyone who enrolls in DancerWealth, Wise, or Victory. Since our fitness level does impact our earnings in many ways, we created a separate section for it. I'd like to find a way to incorporate pole dancing instructional videos, but I'm not the best resource for that since my 5 foot 11 inch frame is not exactly graceful on the pole! LOL!
I also want to address that we have retained professional consultants in each of these areas. It's not just "how Avalon has done it" I am just the face of the company, and could have never gotten this thing off the ground without my team.
The DancerWealth Sales System is the product of not just my experience, but also Adam Sternberg and Steve Donovan who are both corporate sales trainers. DancerWise is being created with a feedback from a Certified Public Accountant, 2 different attorneys, professional money managers, and financial planners. I've gotten feedback on DancerVictory from two motivational seminar speakers.
I'm REALLY excited this is all coming together, our industry sorely lacks any type of personal and professional development training.
Ms. Mia Roberts
04-30-2009, 06:01 AM
I have a few questions before i take the plunge and invest in this system.
1) I know there is much information on selling dances, but what about information on getting hired? I'm doing a few auditions very soon and need maybe some extra tips since i have been turned down alot before.
2) If i decided to buy dancerswealth now... and then buy dancerswise later, and still only pay 20 a month...or then will it be upped to 40?
3) Is it an automatic bill payment system, or can we opt where the monthly bill comes from each month.
*Jade*Love
04-30-2009, 07:41 AM
I just enrolled and the program is AWESOME! I love it
To answer your questions:
1) This program is mostly geared at a dancer who works at one particular club. There isn't really a section about getting hired.
2) Not sure on this one, since I just said screw it and bought all the packages at once..
3) I believe it is an automatic billing system that takes the fee directly out of your checking account monthly.
I would highly recommend the program, it is useful for both new and veteran dancers.
britneyireland
04-30-2009, 01:18 PM
Thanks for the feedback Jade! I just PM'd you.
1. So funny, I released a free video called Dancer101 today detailing getting hired. The beginning of members-only video titled Core Concepts of Running Your Stripping Business has a section on getting hired.
2. Smart...you got the best deal by using the coupon AND the tri-pack discount together!
3. We use PayPal to do our billing, so it can be a credit or debit card, or taken out of your Paypal Account Balance.
txgirl
05-09-2009, 04:05 PM
I checked out your site and it looks awesome! Something I desperately need. Is this still in the "beta test" phase, or have officially you launched? (curious about coupon ;D)
tempest666
05-10-2009, 12:58 PM
I treat dancer wealth the way Christianity was treated at the council of Nicea...pick what you agree with and discard the rest.
britneyireland
05-10-2009, 02:24 PM
TXGirl- yes we are open and I PMed you.
Tempest666 hit the nail on the head. In some situations, the Friendship Hot Button would NOT be a good choice to gain rapport with a customer. In fact, it could ruin your sale if you use it inappropriately. Ditto for the Reciprocity Hot Button- I reserve the use of that strategy for my top customers only.
Overall, the key to maintaining a consistent income and not relying on "luck" (BTW "luck" to me means you accidentally used the right strategy on the right person) for a good night is to have LOTS of different strategies in your SuperStripper Toolbox. You may not "like" them all, but if it works....why not use it?
Texas Girl
05-19-2009, 06:55 PM
Britney,
If someone joins your DancerWealth program, do they get access to ALL of the DW videos, materials, etc right away? Or do you limit them to only a certain number of lessons they can view each month? I'm thinking about joining, but I want to learn as much stuff as possible right away, so that I can start using it in the club.
Also, how long do you think it would take the average girl to go through all of the material thoroughly and learn it? I am a veteran, but I'm not doing so well at work right now, I feel like I'm kind of in a rut, so I need as much help as I possibly can, in the quickest manner possible. If I were to set aside some time to do all the reading, watch all the videos, etc, how long do you think that would take me?
And how long do you think we need to keep the membership after that? I understand the need for follow-up coaching, implementation, etc... but I was just curious... Maybe like 6 months or so?
Thanks,
Texas Girl :)
britneyireland
05-21-2009, 02:08 PM
Sorry it took me so long to reply: I tried from my blackberry in the LR, but apparently it didn't work!
You have access to ALL the course material instantly. Once paypal sends us payment, the system will generate an automatic response to you (so make sure to check your spam filters) with your username and password.
I haven't timed it yet, but I would guesstimate the total running time of the Core DancerWealth Curriculum Videos is about 1 1/2-2 hours. Then I add shorter 2-5 minute weekly update videos. Here is an example of the Core Curriculum Video (http://www.slideboom.com/presentations/66566/DancerWealth%3A-Expect-Results)
You can see previews of the Weekly Lesson Updates on our YouTube site. (http://www.youtube.com/user/StripandGrowRich)
There is a LOT of information, and the learning curve is a very personal one. It took me 4 years of trial and error to figure out what NOT to do, and 3 years after I took the original DancerWealth seminar to really MASTER how to apply the psychology of selling to the Strip Club.
Depending on how much time you devote per day, I give a general 8 week guideline. The workbook is almost done, and it includes an 8 week homework guide that lays out which skills to work on first. The forums act like a wiki....so you can ask questions and get feedback from me and other students.
And if it takes longer than 8 weeks think about it this way: it only costs you one lapdance a month to pay for the membership. I spend more than that on eating out a month...and Chipotle doesn't help me MAKE more money.
XAnastasiaX
05-22-2009, 11:00 AM
I have this program and fully support it. Not only does Rebecca Avalon ( Britney Ireland on here) teach you how to make money, deal with even the toughest of customers and push the right hot buttons, she also teaches the importance of social capital in your club, strip club psychology and in further programs how to manage the money you are making, have a goal oriented mindset, gain confidence in yourself and ultimately retire young. All this for the cost of 1/2 hour at your club ( 250 for all programs) and 20 bucks a month ( most clubs charge for a lap dance mine not included we charge 35 a song). Invest in yourself and sign up!
Texas Girl
05-23-2009, 09:07 PM
Britney,
Thanks so much for the response. This looks like a very good program. How would you compare it to the book from howtostipper.com? Do you think it would be beneficial to get BOTH your program and her book, so we will have even more info from different perspectives? I will buy them both if they will both help me. Or do you think the material in her book would be somewhat redundant?
Unfortunately, I have been stuck at home with strep throat, and no work means no money.... So I'm a bit short on cash right now. But maybe I can call a customer and get him to buy these programs for me, so that I can get them sooner.... That would be kind of ironic, hehe
Kylea2
05-23-2009, 09:40 PM
^^^ Oh joy! Let me share my opinion on this!
I've seen tons of spam on here from the "other" book. Fake accounts created specifically to post about that site and book. The author isn't fooling anyone. Besides, who on earth is she?! Until about a year ago no one had really heard of her and we still have no facts on who she is.
Plus, every time she does an interview have you noticed how short it is and how there are no details given? If the book was that great wouldn't she want to tease you with a really good tip that would have you coming back for more?
DancerWealth is a proven system with history. We know who is running the program, and it's been featured in many places... including by Playboy. There is history to DancerWealth, which has been around since circa 2003.
DancerWealth has almost 1,000 graduates... Jessica's system has like 200. Honestly, why do you think there is such a difference? People tell people and word of mouth marketing is the best. DancerWealth is a great program and dancers know that and tell their friends. There's no comparison.
What I think you should do is invest in the Strip and Grow rich line of products rather than something with no history or references. Get DancerWealth... then look as DancerWise and DancerVictory. Trust me, it will help you... even if you are a seasoned dancer.
firemaiden04
05-23-2009, 11:33 PM
^^^ Oh joy! Let me share my opinion on this!
I've seen tons of spam on here from the "other" book. Fake accounts created specifically to post about that site and book. The author isn't fooling anyone. Besides, who on earth is she?! Until about a year ago no one had really heard of her and we still have no facts on who she is.
Plus, every time she does an interview have you noticed how short it is and how there are no details given? If the book was that great wouldn't she want to tease you with a really good tip that would have you coming back for more?
DancerWealth is a proven system with history. We know who is running the program, and it's been featured in many places... including by Playboy. There is history to DancerWealth, which has been around since circa 2003.
DancerWealth has almost 1,000 graduates... Jessica's system has like 200. Honestly, why do you think there is such a difference? People tell people and word of mouth marketing is the best. DancerWealth is a great program and dancers know that and tell their friends. There's no comparison.
What I think you should do is invest in the Strip and Grow rich line of products rather than something with not history or references. Get DancerWealth... then look as DancerWise and DancerVictory. Trust me, it will help you... even if you are a seasoned dancer.
Ditto what she said. I've gotten spam from that site everywhere, even on my livejournal. And I don't really trust ANY product where the website that advertises it has numerous punctuation, spelling, and grammatical errors.
britneyireland
05-24-2009, 05:50 PM
Thanks Kylea and Firemaiden.
I have not purchased the howtostripper product, so I cannot tell you what is in there.
I am glad to see they removed their "SuperStripper Newsletter" box. If you recall, I asked them on 9/28 to kindly remove it (http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=126086&highlight=howtostripper) since I hold the copywrite and trademark for SuperStripper. As I said here. (http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=129291&highlight=howtostripper) It's a legitimate product. For $67 you get a wire bound notebook and email correspondance from someone who claims to be a stripper, but no on one here can verify her (any ladies in England ever actually met Miss Jessica in person? What club does she work at....and why is there only ONE photo of her?)
There have been several DancerWealth CopyCats over the years. I will even direct you to their websites: StripperSociety (no longer in operation), learntostrip, howtostripper, and joshandchandra
What you see is what you get. Our product is better than an ebook. If you want a free ebook, go read the last two years of archives of my blog. (http://www.stripandgrowrich.com/blog) It encompasses EVERYTHING you will find in those two $19 ebooks (I did buy those, they were cheap, I couldn't resist)
For $32 more than howtostripper you get access to an online community with instant feedback via forums and email. One of the things I learned as a teacher is that we only remember 10% of what we read. Thus, a read-only pdf file is NOT the best way to learn a new skill. Our videos are interactive. I just completed the 65 page workbook to complement the videos, and the Homework Audio CD will soon be uploaded (for free) to
drum roll please.....
Our Itunes Podcast in the Career Section! (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=317239461)
Oh..and I'm a real stripper. Really I am...I work at Babe's in Scottsdale, Treasures in Vegas, and I'm heading to Philly for the month of June. I've been a moderator on this board since the inception of SW in 2002. Beyond myself, the DancerWealth Staff is superb: Adam has gone on to be an international seminar speaker, and Steve Donovan is not only a sales guru himself, but also fabulous at making sure all the tech stuff runs the way its supposed to.
britneyireland
05-26-2009, 04:29 PM
Update for 5/26:
We are working on our landing pages, so use www.dancerwealth.com to access the site today.
And thanks for the heads up about the blog link also not working. It is an issue with Wordpress, the blog hosting company.
shameless
05-26-2009, 07:44 PM
Ditto what she said. I've gotten spam from that site everywhere, even on my livejournal. And I don't really trust ANY product where the website that advertises it has numerous punctuation, spelling, and grammatical errors.
It gets better, a 'secret' aka totally made up interview with a student from howtostripper.co.uk
http://www.strip-magazine.com/mmagazine/new_welcome.php?subaction=showfull&id=1242946030&archive=&start_from=&ucat=11&category=11
I bought the book and it absolutely nothing new and a lot of it is made up how to look, dress and talk, all presented very generically, box standard advice that anyone can run with but to go from £50-100 to £800-1000 - as if!
Texas Girl
05-27-2009, 01:45 AM
I bought the book and it absolutely nothing new and a lot of it is made up how to look, dress and talk, all presented very generically, box standard advice that anyone can run with but to go from £50-100 to £800-1000 - as if!
Really? So it didn't have any super hustling techniques?
Thanks for letting us know, I guess I won't buy the book.
babybambi08
05-28-2009, 03:12 PM
from what I have heard and seen I think its a course for people that have no sales, or social skills.
It talks about how to approch customers, have self esteam, motivation..
I approch customers in a poliet, cheerful way..I dont have self esteem issues so thats out.. motivation.. MONEY hello??
I think it just sounds too good to be true.. I think I already have alot of what she would be teaching because my club is very small and on slow nights sometimes you only have 3-4 guys to hustel and I make pretty damn good money. '
and to my oppion Im not spending 300$ on a website.. please, give me a break- that is just a rip off.. I dont care if they say it will help you earn ten times more.. you dont get a paycheck so you dont know for sure how much you will make.. you can always set a goal that helps alot..
i dont care if its videos, I would rather just read a book.. If it was like 30$ I would buy it.. but a smart choice to me is not to buy it.
Ms. Mia Roberts
05-28-2009, 03:24 PM
My only problem is the monthly payments. I think that's a nice lil way to suck more money out of people.
Especially since the original program was on CD's so you were paying big bucks for a product that you could have for life and not a service.
I don't think all three courses all together should cost more than 200. Especially since the product (past product..not the new product) had received mixed reviews.
I bought the preview... and it didn't give me any info that wasn't already pretty obvious, or that i haven't heard before. The idea of hot buttons is new and interesting, but nothing about the 5 dollar preview pulled me in
Don't bash me...But that's my 2 cents
StevieStar7
05-28-2009, 04:02 PM
Ms. Mia Roberts~ I think I have to agree with you!
I found Avalon's Strip&GrowRich.com program through her MySpace page & I bought the Trial Video ($6 ?) yesterday.
I also found the info in the trial to be nothing new but the idea of the 'Hot Buttons' sounds intriguing...
Right now I'm a struggling mom of 3, with no help...so it's def not something I could afford at this point and time anyways...
Ms. Mia Roberts
05-28-2009, 04:29 PM
Ms. Mia Roberts~ I think I have to agree with you!
I found Avalon's Strip&GrowRich.com program through her MySpace page & I bought the Trial Video ($6 ?) yesterday.
I also found the info in the trial to be nothing new but the idea of the 'Hot Buttons' sounds intriguing...
Right now I'm a struggling mom of 3, with no help...so it's def not something I could afford at this point and time anyways...
Exactly. The point of the trial and advertising is to make your product seem like it is needed, more than wanted.
For those of us who don't have money to waste, this program seems wishy washy more than a sure-fire thing...and 100 dollars is alot on something that may not work
Maybe if the trial gives us something that we can actually APPLY, like one of the seven hot buttons... then we could test it out. If it worked, then i would most surely purchase the set.
But giving us info that we cannot try or apply to "test" the merit of the program doesn't really give much convincing.
britneyireland
05-28-2009, 06:40 PM
Hey guys! Thanks for the honest feedback!
I'm working on a new homestudy course for those who don't have computer access. I offer a ton of free information on my blog, youtube site (http://www.youtube.com/user/StripandGrowRich), and Itunes podcast if you are really cash strapped.
I also just published the workbook in the Cafepress Store (http://www.cafepress.com/stripgrowrich.388153283) on Tuesday. It is designed to be a complement, not a substitute for the course. In fact, it's mostly fill-in the blank so you will be disappointed if you buy it alone. However, it will organize your notes, and give you brainstorming activities so you can PLAN how you are going to implement the information. I also recorded an 8 week homework study guide that you can listen to on the way to work. It will be released for download to Itunes as soon as it comes back from having music audio mixed in between the tracks from my DJ friend.
As for the price points: I defer back to my mantra: If you treat stripping like a business, it will pay you like a business. If you treat it like a job, it will pay you like a job. As a businesswoman, you have to be prepared to invest in your business, unlike a job where your rate of pay is guranteed. How much do you currently spend on the tools to run your business? Shoes: $30-60, outfit $30-60, acrylic nails $55, makeup, hair extensions, tanning, gym membership, etc. When was the last time your stilettos help you turn 1 dance into 3 or 4 dances? Stripping is a sales job. If you don't possess the skills to sell lapdances, then you will not succeed in this industry.
$99 with the 10 and 20% coupon codes I shout out on Twitter is very reasonable. You can pay for the program with 4-5 dances at a traditional $20 club; and in 3 dances in VIP at a Vegas Style club. The monthly fee is less than one $20 table dance, and you get access to all the weekly videos. This week I'm doing a series on how to passively market your stripping business using social networking sites. And it's a tax write off!!!!
Mia, you can ABSOLUTELY apply the information in the trial video! In that video I teach the 4 personality types, the best ways to identify, approach and close them. Have you tried to identify the customers personality before you approach him? Do you greet him using the method I describe? Then, do you choose the appropriate strategy to close him?
You say you "knew" this stuff before, but are you actively using it? There is a big difference between knowing something and applying it correctly it to a real life situation. If you try to close a Green Personality with a Red strategy, it's NOT going to work. That's the difference between reading something in a book, or listening to something in a video, and joining an online community that gives you feedback, coaching, and mentoring.
Here's a test from the info from the 5.99 trial:
How do you speak to a Yellow?
Why are Reds so easy to close?
What do Blues look like?
Why are Greens so annoying?
If you can't answer these questions without reviewing the video again, then go back and watch it again.! These are KEY points in building rapport with EVERY customer. If you greet a Yellow with a loud, bossy demeanor, you lost that sale! If you speak slang to a Red, you lost that sale!
Again, thanks! I'm going to add some of these ways to test yourself at work onto the trial video: I thought it was obvious, but I guess it wasn't ;)
Kylea2
05-28-2009, 07:02 PM
I don't consider DancerWealth wishy washy at all... and the fact that agents are starting to want dancers who have completed the program should speak strongly for it.
There's a lot of information in DancerWealth on all of those hot buttons, and it won't soak in just from watching it once because there's actually a LOT of information. It's not just for people without sales/social skills either... it's for everyone. Trust me, I have really great sales skills but there is a difference between knowing how to sell a product and knowing how to quickly pin-point exactly what the customers wants and sell it to them FASTER. The point of this program is to find what the customer wants, sell it to them, and either make a returning customer out of them or quickly move on to the next customer. You could sell $20 lap dances to three customers in an hour, or you could learn these techniques and sell a 1/2 hour VIP for say $200 plus two more lap dances to other customers within the same hour. You are making money both ways and with the same number of customers, but the financial outcome is different. Just give it a try and commit to it for a month... I promise you will make more money.
Makenzie
05-28-2009, 07:36 PM
Exactly. The point of the trial and advertising is to make your product seem like it is needed, more than wanted.
For those of us who don't have money to waste, this program seems wishy washy more than a sure-fire thing...and 100 dollars is alot on something that may not work
Maybe if the trial gives us something that we can actually APPLY, like one of the seven hot buttons... then we could test it out. If it worked, then i would most surely purchase the set.
But giving us info that we cannot try or apply to "test" the merit of the program doesn't really give much convincing.
Sure...you don't NEED it..but if you applied 1-3 *small* techniques that you learn and you earn that measly $100 back in one hour (which I can almost 100% guarantee you would), then you would WANT it. And yo'd want everyone else to want it,too. YOU sell lapdances that men don't need, yet you still perceive it as a great product. How is any of us selling anything else any different? The fact alone that this is a tax write off should jump off the page at you that this is much more worth that $100 you might spend on clothing...but hey...we all have priorities ;)
GoldCoastGirl
05-29-2009, 03:06 AM
Shouldn't the whole fact that you DON'T have money to "waste" be a huge neon sign that .. woha.. wait a minute... maybe I do need something to change about the way I work at work so that I am never going to have to be worried about NOT having money to waste ever again?
And yes there is a heap of "free" information available elsewhere on the internet (I'm not just talking about HH here and over at the other stripper forum) ... yet .. this "course" is not meant to be done in one sitting... it is comprehensive: videos, workbooks, forums !
I do NOT know of too many other websites along the same vein that are this comprehensive.
Once again, if you think $100 is a lot of money for a ROI that will pay dividends way into your future (past using stripping as a stepping stone onto "greater" things) then you ARE doing something drastically wrong!
Ms. Mia Roberts
05-29-2009, 06:39 AM
Its just the fact that from what i have been reading here and on "the other site" the information has not been around long enough for anyone (besides the person selling it) to really show that its worth it. Who is to say if you close more deals within a month of buying it, its because of the program? You may think that having this info gives you an upper hand (placebo effect) and then the confidence is what allows you to sell dances.
If thats the case, then i don't think that would work for me. And with any product, it takes time to really compare development.
The hot buttons do seem intriguing. I may still decide to buy the program, but i'm a little harder to convince.
Maybe because i've heard mixed reviews.
And how does any of the information apply to "wanna dance" clubs?
And about the price thing, i still think its not right to charge a monthly fee, and of so much money. I would rather be charged to ask for help versus being charged regardless. And it should be free to talk amongst each other about the program. 5 dollars a month per program seems more reasonable.
Kylea2
05-29-2009, 07:20 AM
Its just the fact that from what i have been reading here and on "the other site" the information has not been around long enough for anyone (besides the person selling it) to really show that its worth it. Who is to say if you close more deals within a month of buying it, its because of the program? You may think that having this info gives you an upper hand (placebo effect) and then the confidence is what allows you to sell dances.
Mia, did you not read anything of what I wrote earlier? Let me reiterate.
DancerWealth is a proven system with history. We know who is running the program, and it's been featured in many places... including by Playboy. There is history to DancerWealth, which has been around since circa 2003.
DancerWealth has almost 1,000 graduates... Jessica's system has like 200. Honestly, why do you think there is such a difference? People tell people and word of mouth marketing is the best. DancerWealth is a great program and dancers know that and tell their friends. There's no comparison.
This program has been around longer than some of the dancers on here have been dancers. Yes, it does work and it is proven. It's also been revamped from it's original form. Some of the information did end up in Hustle Hut... but you really have to search to find it because it's mixed in with all the other less helpful advice that people also post. This version is new though and not only goes over the old stuff but has actually been expanded upon to make it worth the cost.
Maybe because i've heard mixed reviews.
There's always going to be mixed reviews with everything. The thing is that you need to consider the source. If all the dancers on here who are veterans making really good money said "it's not worth it" then I could see not being interested. Show me a seasoned veteran on here making really good money who is saying "it's not worth it".
And how does any of the information apply to "wanna dance" clubs?
I guess I've never in all my years seen a "wanna dance" club. I've worked many different places and I've only seen clubs where dancers ask over and over "wanna dance". You know all of those "no's" that you hear? Do you know what those really mean? They mean "You didn't press my hot button" and "You aren't my type, and you didn't say the magic words... so I'm going to pass". There's never going to be a club where all the customers are sold the same way... so using the same "wanna dance" method is naive.
And about the price thing, i still think its not right to charge a monthly fee, and of so much money. I would rather be charged to ask for help versus being charged regardless. And it should be free to talk amongst each other about the program. 5 dollars a month per program seems more reasonable.
LOL, wow... this really amazes me considering how happy I was when I saw that they changed the pricing. Do you know what the program used to sell for? The live training ranged from $900 to $1,000 depending on if there was a special running. The teleconference seminar ranged from $320 to $400. They have REALLY cut the costs down to make it more affordable! $99 for the first month isn't bad at all! Plus, now have of the information is on video. You could literally spend one day watching all of the DancerWealth videos and then jump into the discussion boards. They are charging the monthly $19 a month because running the program and software isn't free. Unlike SW, which Pryce pays for the majority of the hosting costs etc on and also has some paid advertising... DancerWealth doesn't have paid advertising and has to pay staff members like the web developers and also for hosting. I'm not sure if you've noticed this... but anything related to computers and the internet is NOT cheap. Web developers are really expensive to hire... especially a good one.
I really think you should try the program before you knock it.
Ms. Mia Roberts
05-29-2009, 08:25 AM
Mia, did you not read anything of what I wrote earlier? Let me reiterate.
This program has been around longer than some of the dancers on here have been dancers. Yes, it does work and it is proven. It's also been revamped from it's original form. Some of the information did end up in Hustle Hut... but you really have to search to find it because it's mixed in with all the other less helpful advice that people also post. This version is new though and not only goes over the old stuff but has actually been expanded upon to make it worth the cost.
There's always going to be mixed reviews with everything. The thing is that you need to consider the source. If all the dancers on here who are veterans making really good money said "it's not worth it" then I could see not being interested. Show me a seasoned veteran on here making really good money who is saying "it's not worth it".
I guess I've never in all my years seen a "wanna dance" club. I've worked many different places and I've only seen clubs where dancers ask over and over "wanna dance". You know all of those "no's" that you hear? Do you know what those really mean? They mean "You didn't press my hot button" and "You aren't my type, and you didn't say the magic words... so I'm going to pass". There's never going to be a club where all the customers are sold the same way... so using the same "wanna dance" method is naive.
LOL, wow... this really amazes me considering how happy I was when I saw that they changed the pricing. Do you know what the program used to sell for? The live training ranged from $900 to $1,000 depending on if there was a special running. The teleconference seminar ranged from $320 to $400. They have REALLY cut the costs down to make it more affordable! $99 for the first month isn't bad at all! Plus, now have of the information is on video. You could literally spend one day watching all of the DancerWealth videos and then jump into the discussion boards. They are charging the monthly $19 a month because running the program and software isn't free. Unlike SW, which Pryce pays for the majority of the hosting costs etc on and also has some paid advertising... DancerWealth doesn't have paid advertising and has to pay staff members like the web developers and also for hosting. I'm not sure if you've noticed this... but anything related to computers and the internet is NOT cheap. Web developers are really expensive to hire... especially a good one.
I really think you should try the program before you knock it.
If its proven to work, then why would there be mixed reviews? Its information, it may not work for everyone in every situation
And i would rather pay 300 for a program i can OWN for life than pay 300 for something that only lasts me for a year.
And what may be a little money to you may be alot for other people. Even if you take this course and become stripper master...
A. this course doesn't help you with the most important part of stripping (and i'll argue this with anyone).. Getting hired. I could have all the knowledge and confidence in the world, but if a club doesn't like my looks, then they aren't going to hire me. And then my hustling techniques are useless
B. This course and knowledge doesn't make money magically appear, people have to have money to spend money, and with the economy the way it is now... more dancers, less customers.. less money.
C. Dive clubs are dive clubs... you aren't gonna make thousands a night in a dive club. Yes, you can treat stripping like an investment, but you have to see if that investment is a wise one. And your club enviroment and your looks play into that. Thats like saying you can make money putting a starbucks in the middle of the hood.
Like i said, i'm not knocking the program, because i haven't taken it. But from what i have HEARD, i haven't gotten 90 percent reassurance yet.
no need to get so defensive kylea lol
and a "wanna dance" club is a club that has too many people and no space to sit nd talk, so you have no oppurtunity to sit and build rapport. Hustling is useless. You don't really pick up regulars. The people in there are not in there to talk or for the fantasy...its to get off, celebrate, or have fun.
StevieStar7
05-29-2009, 11:44 AM
Shouldn't the whole fact that you DON'T have money to "waste" be a huge neon sign that .. woha.. wait a minute... maybe I do need something to change about the way I work at work so that I am never going to have to be worried about NOT having money to waste ever again?
And yes there is a heap of "free" information available elsewhere on the internet (I'm not just talking about HH here and over at the other stripper forum) ... yet .. this "course" is not meant to be done in one sitting... it is comprehensive: videos, workbooks, forums !
I do NOT know of too many other websites along the same vein that are this comprehensive.
Once again, if you think $100 is a lot of money for a ROI that will pay dividends way into your future (past using stripping as a stepping stone onto "greater" things) then you ARE doing something drastically wrong!
Feeding, taking care of myself, my kids, our pets, paying bills, rent, groceries, gas, insurance on my car (car is paid off), clothing, I could go on all day about my expenses....cost $$$....& right now, that 'extra' $100 is a lot of money to me!
Spending that $100 would be more of a 'want'
& right now, I have 'needs' & kids that have to be taken care of...how can that be DRASTICALLY wrong?
do you have kids?
Kylea2
05-29-2009, 03:10 PM
If its proven to work, then why would there be mixed reviews? Its information, it may not work for everyone in every situation
The reason is because just like anything else either they don't really understand it or they aren't fully committed to using the techniques. You can't complain about something not working if you don't make an effort to learn it, practice it, and use it regularly.
And i would rather pay 300 for a program i can OWN for life than pay 300 for something that only lasts me for a year.
My understanding is that the text that was available for the home study course before is still available. I'm sure that if you were still interested in the old format and really wanted to pay that price the owners would work something out for you. Just remember though that the old format didn't have the online forums.
And what may be a little money to you may be alot for other people. Even if you take this course and become stripper master...
If a person is the type who will take this course seriously they are also the same type that will find a way to get what they want... even if that means living on Mac & Cheese for a month. All I'm saying is the new price is far less than the old price.
A. this course doesn't help you with the most important part of stripping (and i'll argue this with anyone).. Getting hired. I could have all the knowledge and confidence in the world, but if a club doesn't like my looks, then they aren't going to hire me. And then my hustling techniques are useless
Actually it does. There are new video sections that have been added in on things to do in order to get hired. I will say this, not everything is based on looks... even with the agencies. I know one girl in particular with an agency who doesn't really look good at all, but she's an amazing dancer and makes incredible money. Besides, looks are relative... what one person thinks is attractive isn't necessarily what another person thinks is attractive. So if one manager doesn't initially hire you just based off your looks another will.
B. This course and knowledge doesn't make money magically appear, people have to have money to spend money, and with the economy the way it is now... more dancers, less customers.. less money.
True... but it really comes down to percents. Most of the dancers in the club are going home with money in their pockets, right? That's money that you didn't earn because you didn't access it or didn't access it properly. So you need to be able to approach the customer, and pin point the access point (i.e. Hot Button), so that you are taking home more of the money that walks into the club. The question you need to ask yourself is how do you feel about taking potential money away from your co-workers? If you take more money from the customers you are taking away your co-workers potential money. The minute a customer walks in the door though the dancers pretty much have equal potential for earning that money... the goal is to earn more of it.
C. Dive clubs are dive clubs... you aren't gonna make thousands a night in a dive club. Yes, you can treat stripping like an investment, but you have to see if that investment is a wise one. And your club enviroment and your looks play into that. Thats like saying you can make money putting a starbucks in the middle of the hood.
... I have. I started at a club that was pretty "ghetto"... barely any white girls - as a matter of fact I may have been the only white girl. I made plenty of money there and made plenty of money at one of the clubs in San Fran that was a total dive. It only takes one customer to really make your night, so unless you honestly believe that there is less than $1,000 potential walking into the club every night than you could earn $1,000. Really, if there was less than $1,000 coming in every night do you think your club could stay in business? If you think the club you are working at is that bad I would suggest:
1. If the club is corporate/public see if you can look at their quarterly report to gauge what the club brings in during your shift.
2. Ask your manager what the club is earning off customers for your shift. Some will give you an idea, some won't... but it doesn't hurt to ask.
3. Switch clubs
Like i said, i'm not knocking the program, because i haven't taken it. But from what i have HEARD, i haven't gotten 90 percent reassurance yet.
That's good, but chances are none of us can tell you exactly why people complain about something. I mean people will always complain about things because you can't satisfy everyone. There's always the "majority" rules at 51%... but at a 50/50 vote I don't know that I would buy something. Either someone I really trust has to tell me it's good or it needs a 75% approval rating in most cases from the public. You need to decide for yourself what is going to convince you.
no need to get so defensive kylea lol
I'm not, but when I believe in something I stand up for it.
and a "wanna dance" club is a club that has too many people and no space to sit nd talk, so you have no oppurtunity to sit and build rapport. Hustling is useless. You don't really pick up regulars. The people in there are not in there to talk or for the fantasy...its to get off, celebrate, or have fun.
I've worked those types of clubs before... what I'm referring to is that even the guys who say no when you are going down the line asking - a good percentage of them could be turned to a yes with the right words or body language. Some of them you don't even need to talk to, you can tell what is going to sell them from how they dress, how they carry themselves etc.
Personally, I've found a few of the "Can I get a dance?" clubs that keep you busy all night... and I'd like to find more of them. They aren't the same clubs for every girl. When I'm bombarded with requests for dances though and the other girls are walking out complaining about the lack of money... well, what am I supposed to think?
Ms. Mia Roberts
05-29-2009, 03:29 PM
^^ I'm too lazy to quote.
Looks aren't everything, but its a BIG part. Yes there are girls who can get in doors with out good looks sometimes, but thats to the managers discretion. It also depends on where you are what you look like. They might hire an ugly white girl over an ugly black girl. They might hire a girl thats a lil too big versus a girl who is falt chested and bony. They are all flaws (except for the race one) but a club may "tolerate" one more than the other.
Stripping is one of the few businesses left that you are alowed to be racist and judgemental in. There is nothing ANY program that can tell me what to do to change that. Thats the bottom line. Right now, my problem is being hired. DW will not guarantee that your looks are good enough to get hired anywhere.
If i purchase this product now, it would be a waste anyway because i'm at a dive. The dives are not in the corporate areas...they are in the shity areas. And when you are working with 20 other girls (and not sticking out being a white girl in a black club, because you have something going for you...you aren't gonna be a dime a dozen)... especially when there is extras... i see the top earners not leave with more than 400 a night... if that, and they are extra girls (and i know this because 9 times out of 10, the club is so empty, i can just sit around and watch)
the money is just not there. and there aren't a million clubs that you can skip, hop and jump to next. Atleast not where i am. Not all of us have that luxury Kylea
100 dollars is gas, food, books, paying off the credit card... if i take this course and can't even apply it, what good is it??
Or worse, if i take this course and it doesn't work...
and the census to me from the dancers who have been around long enough that i would trust their opinion... its been about 50/50. You are only the second person i heard deeply passionate about the program changed thier stripper lives. Give me about 10 more people... and i may again truly consider it.
babybambi08
05-29-2009, 05:27 PM
I already know this is a sales job.. and I usually get a yes IF I even have to ask for a dance about 95% of the time. I like to learn but I dont think think that its worth 300 bucks.. I dont care for videos.. Id rather not spend all day on my computer.. I dont really like how its so expensive, It just feels and smells like a ripe off.. to me.. BUT If you dont get the results I get with dancing.. then you might want to try it..
Kylea2
05-29-2009, 06:37 PM
^^^ $300 is the old price.
Also it's not just DancerWealth... it's also DancerWise and DancerVictory. There's more to being a dancer than just sales. For all of you young ladies I will remind you that your beauty is a diminishing asset... as you grow older you can't count on it to make you money. So you better learn how to report your income, save, invest, and plan for retirement - even if you don't plan to do this forever.
Ms. Mia Roberts
05-29-2009, 06:45 PM
hmm, i'll give it 2 months worth of time. If i go back to pittsburgh and i get into a decent club, i will buy the course.
and this will also give me some time to get more reviews from people...
Makenzie
05-29-2009, 08:53 PM
Actually...I'll just throw out a hypothetical and say...if I worked at *your* club, I would actually NOT want you to take this course. It'd just be more money for me to fish around and find myself without having to worry that you'd get it :)
XAnastasiaX
05-29-2009, 09:06 PM
Trust me honey this course is totally worth 100 or even more. It was originally offered at 1,000 for a full day class and a month of mentoring( which I paid originally in 2006). We now offer it for 100 and 20 bucks a month or all three courses for 250 and 20 bucks a month which is great because you get access to the forums, videos, e-mail mentoring which Rebecca frequently checks via phone, access to video 24/7/365 and constant updates on twitter, myspace, facebook, youtube etc.
I went from being the girl who could barely make her house fee to being a top earner with this course if you value your business you will invest the 100 it takes to learn the skills that the top 5 % are learning to use to be the best and work smart not hard at the stripping sales game.
babybambi08
05-30-2009, 06:21 AM
^^^ $300 is the old price.
Also it's not just DancerWealth... it's also DancerWise and DancerVictory. There's more to being a dancer than just sales. For all of you young ladies I will remind you that your beauty is a diminishing asset... as you grow older you can't count on it to make you money. So you better learn how to report your income, save, invest, and plan for retirement - even if you don't plan to do this forever.
Im sorry its only $249 for one month.. I was off by 51 dollars..
AND to everyone that keeps saying its only 20 a month! its 100 FIRST then 20 a month!!! Im so sick of everyone saying that its only 20$.. Unless they have it priced wrong.. if so Im sorry
I am not interested in paying for investing and savings.. I can get a book or get my dads friend or my boss to help me if I need it.. they are in accounting as well..
I would maybe think about purchasing dancer wealth and maybe victory but I would think maybe a 24-48 hour trial of the whole thing and if you were not satisfied you could get your money back.. or at least like 75%
britneyireland
05-30-2009, 02:44 PM
The DancerWealth course is $99 (http://www.stripandgrowrich.com/members/signup.php?price_group=2). If you subscribe to our newsletters (http://www.stripandgrowrich.com/home.php)and Twitter (http://www.twitter.com/stripgrowrich)we constantly shout out 10% off codes. That brings the total cost down to $89.01. You can take your own notes or you can purchase the workbook in our cafepress store (http://www.cafepress.com/stripgrowrich.388153283) for $19.99 So if pennies are tight, you could do the whole thing in a month for $109, cancel before the monthly charge dings your card again, have your notes to keep forever, and access to all the free areas (blog, YouTube site, iTunes store, newsletters, etc) Or, you can bid on a 1 year membership on Ebay. (http://cgi.ebay.com/DancerWealth-the-Original-Exotic-Dancer-School_W0QQitemZ120426803425QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c09ff30e1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50) Currently its up to $1.04
Like any service provider, there are overhead costs that must be passed on to the consumer. The monthly pricing structure is necessary to offset our monthly costs for web hosting, bandwidth, Vbulletin forum license, AMember software, Paypal merchant account, Premium CafePress Store. As much as we'd like to offer our services for free, it's just not possible. The site would go bankrupt.
So we give you a ton of options instead:
1. trial membership for $5.99, a very low risk method of evaluating whether you like our system or not.
2. DWealth membership for $89.01 with coupon code
3. Optional ongoing membership for $19.99 I stress optional because you can cancel at any time or transfer your membership to the next program.
4. Coming Soon: audio based Home Study Course. No pricing on that yet.
The biggest complaint about the previous course was the high initial cost of $299. The second complaint was the lack of updated information. So we lowered the price and created a medium to update the information in real time. I love ya'll, but you are starting to sound like the customer who says, "Oh well....I think you I should only have to pay $2.75 for a dance because...."
Mia...I cannot sympathize, but I do empathize with your getting hired situation. I suggest you go back and read through some of the old posts from a SW member named Tina. (http://forum.stripperweb.com/search.php?searchid=1473992) She unfortunately has not been active on this site in over a year, and she was a wonderful voice for African American women in this industry.
Which clubs love black girls and which ones don't (http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=103902)
Aggravation at Racist Hiring Practices (http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?p=1313854#post1313854)
Tina's Guide to Clubs that offer Advance Bookings and base Pay (http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?p=1277650#post1277650)
Club in Minot looking for girls (http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?p=1277664#post1277664)
DancerWealth (http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?p=624595&highlight=tina+dancerwealth#post624595)