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Otoki
06-29-2010, 11:35 PM
I really need to revisit this, but I found myself in the Super Stripper zone at my alternate club. It was a lot easier there. I think it's also easier for me in an environment where dances and VIP happen in a separate area of the club. My table dance club is nice, and it's seven minutes away from my house, but I'm realizing more and more that a LD room/VIP hustle is way more natural for me. Unfortunately, short of going back to my old club where I really dislike management, I'll have to make do with the TD club, and go to the alternate once or twice a month.

Avalon, what are your tips for clubs with no VIP? I pretty much have $20 dances or $250 hourly. It's really difficult to upsell most of the time, especially because we don't have "rooms" but VIP sections of the club, so privacy isn't a selling point. I also refuse to insinuate that anything more will go on than on the main floor. Some girls may be cool with that, but I'm not. I'm very honest. How do I honestly (but not too bluntly) explain that the rules are the same in VIP? The points I emphasize are that it's quieter, has couches, and of course the benefit of having me for an hour instead of a few dances.

britneyireland
06-30-2010, 03:14 PM
Otoki,

I pm'ed you since the response contains copyrighted SGR strategies. I will also post it on the member boards.

Otoki
07-01-2010, 09:24 AM
Otoki,

I pm'ed you since the response contains copyrighted SGR strategies. I will also post it on the member boards.

Thanks for your response. It was helpful.

chanzep
07-14-2010, 10:08 AM
I finally got DW!, gonna report back soon x

britneyireland
07-21-2010, 01:01 PM
The site is getting ready to be overhauled (again!!!) so we decided to make the sneak peak only 99 cents and 7 days long until the changeover!

http://www.stripandgrowrich.com/members/signup.php

renderedhopeful
07-30-2010, 07:29 PM
just bought mine... about 6 lectures in!

sunshine16
07-30-2010, 10:06 PM
What's going to be the change over Avalon?

britneyireland
07-31-2010, 09:47 AM
Sunshine....you'll just have to wait and see!!!!

Rendered: be sure to skip to the bottom and do the week 1 exercises.

(part of the new format will make everything flow much more smoothly)

renderedhopeful
07-31-2010, 10:58 AM
I have, Brit. I watched through the applicable videos afterwards, and will be making all three parts of my pre-work routine. I'm very excited!

britneyireland
07-31-2010, 01:13 PM
Awesome! Just pace yourself...even though it's tempting to work on everything at once, you will inevitably end up overwhelmed. The skills build on each other, so implement the easy ones first, then once you have mastered them you can begin to sprinkle in the more complex ones.

Surprise
08-07-2010, 02:32 PM
i got it, and so far so good, but i am a very slow learner. when i have a question, should I just PM you on here, Britneyireland? because i get no response in the forums. :(

natyempress
08-08-2010, 01:27 PM
Could I purchase my membership with a visa gift card? I don't have a bank account nor do i want one.

britneyireland
08-09-2010, 10:36 AM
Surprise: I answered in the forums, which is the best way to get me. The response time is not instantaneous like Stripperweb so please be patient, especially on weekends ;p

Naty: We do offer 6 month prepaid memberships via money order on a case by case basis. Shoot me an email [email protected]

salemsexy
08-12-2010, 09:48 PM
I would not spend money on anything telling me how tomake the most from dancing! It's so simple if you understand how to hustle and deal with guys.

the club can be busy or slow does not matter.

how well do you sell yourself? guys can go to a bar if they just want to drink but they came to s strip club they want a womans attention and to feel wanted by you..


I learned to treat them as if i wanted to date them but yet allow them to chase me. It's all a mental game, don't ever seem needy!

flirt smile chat move around the room and men will start to beg for your attention..and if they want you they will understand your time costs table dances or they lose you to someone else...

saphire123456
08-12-2010, 10:37 PM
I would not spend money on anything telling me how tomake the most from dancing! It's so simple if you understand how to hustle and deal with guys.

the club can be busy or slow does not matter.

how well do you sell yourself? guys can go to a bar if they just want to drink but they came to s strip club they want a womans attention and to feel wanted by you..


I learned to treat them as if i wanted to date them but yet allow them to chase me. It's all a mental game, don't ever seem needy!

flirt smile chat move around the room and men will start to beg for your attention..and if they want you they will understand your time costs table dances or they lose you to someone else...
wow, thanks. now i know everything.::)

salemsexy
08-12-2010, 11:50 PM
Stripping is a numbers game, you move to one guy to the next asking if they want a table dance all night long! does not matter how many say no cause all you care about hearing is yes and just keep asking over and over around the room and never stop! you should allways make that 1000 a night plus doing that, i found it very easy, making money in a club is simple if you follow the numbers game each no gets you closer to the yes.

its just sales.

chanzep
08-13-2010, 08:18 AM
Im lovin DW, my money has increased since i signed up, Im better at dealing with certain types now like cocky ones who say no I always used to get mad before, but now somehow I always get them comin back to me askin me for dances wen they said no before!, I think its the way I speak to them now.

Ive just had a transport crisis which means I cant work this weekend boo!
Gonna spend alot of time studyin DW so il be in the zone next week!

Kylea2
08-14-2010, 02:00 PM
Salemsexy, its more than just "treating them as if i wanted to date them but yet allow them to chase me" & its more than just a numbers game.

#1 Not all men are going to like every woman right off the bat. In other words, when you walk into a room I doubt 100% of the men what to date you. Which means if you are a "wanna dance?" type of girl you are losing out on sales from men that could like your personality, even if they aren't instantly attracted to you. Even then, you won't be able to convince 100% to like you, but if you can convert some of them then you are making more money.

#2 While there is some truth to the idea that the more people you ask the more will say "yes", it's not just about asking. Its the idea of spending time with people.

DancerWealth primarily teaches dancers how to "read" customers & connect with them FASTER than what the dancer would if she just stayed in the same mode all the time. Connecting faster is why the program works... & why dancers who have taken it often earn more money.

Makenzie
08-16-2010, 09:17 AM
Stripping is a numbers game, you move to one guy to the next asking if they want a table dance all night long! does not matter how many say no cause all you care about hearing is yes and just keep asking over and over around the room and never stop! you should allways make that 1000 a night plus doing that, i found it very easy, making money in a club is simple if you follow the numbers game each no gets you closer to the yes.

its just sales.

Sorry, dunno how long you've been in the business but this most definitely is NOT true.

I have had some of my *BEST* nights when it was nearly dead, and I worked my magic to get a trip to the VIP room 2-3 times..... AND, I've had nights when it has been as busy as ever, and the faster I tried to make rounds with "Wanna dance?" the less and less money I made (and sometimes had my worst nights ever). This is not a numbers game of eeny meeny miny mo!

I find that almost 100% of it lies on attitude and level of confidence. If I walk in feeling like I do not care what happens that day and I'm just there to have fun, that is when it happens for me. Customers can feel your energy and mood, and that has little to nothing to do with numbers as well. I find little to no truth in your proposed theory. And I've been dancing long enough to see a lot of ups and downs in the business.

britneyireland
08-16-2010, 10:24 AM
Salemsexy, I agree with you on one point: "It's just sales."

Where we digress is the type and quality of the sale. In this economy not all clubs are full of customers where if one guy says no...then you can move onto the next one. Some nights...there IS no "next one" so if you don't close the one that you are talking to you are SOL.

I LOVE nights when the "Wanna Dance" hustle works. It's easy, it's brainless, and as long as you have the physical energy to keep moving...you can rack up $20s quickly. However, there are plenty of other nights where you need to have a different strategy.

This is what DancerWealth teaches: things you can do when "Wanna Dance" doesn't work.

salemsexy
08-17-2010, 04:12 AM
I just saw all your replies. I have danced for 8 years and this is my exp.

for me it is a numbers game and allways worked out this way. On the same note I am allways in a good mood and very confident about myself.

For me 1000 plus a night was allways my exp. Maybe for some of you feel this will not work but for me it does.

Maybe the state counts? Not sure but to me again sales is sales and when your a good looking hot chick its a easy sell.

Thanks for chatting with me girls

salemsexy
08-17-2010, 04:50 AM
it's allways worked for me hun and i swear by it! Thanks for chatting.



Sorry, dunno how long you've been in the business but this most definitely is NOT true.

I have had some of my *BEST* nights when it was nearly dead, and I worked my magic to get a trip to the VIP room 2-3 times..... AND, I've had nights when it has been as busy as ever, and the faster I tried to make rounds with "Wanna dance?" the less and less money I made (and sometimes had my worst nights ever). This is not a numbers game of eeny meeny miny mo!

I find that almost 100% of it lies on attitude and level of confidence. If I walk in feeling like I do not care what happens that day and I'm just there to have fun, that is when it happens for me. Customers can feel your energy and mood, and that has little to nothing to do with numbers as well. I find little to no truth in your proposed theory. And I've been dancing long enough to see a lot of ups and downs in the business.

salemsexy
08-17-2010, 04:54 AM
I never had a problem with it even on slow nights, if its like only a couple guys in the club i use the game on them they might have a chance with me as i talk about in other posts.. But i use all the mind games on the guys the chase game cat and mouse it works.. thats my exp, thanks for talking



Salemsexy, I agree with you on one point: "It's just sales."

Where we digress is the type and quality of the sale. In this economy not all clubs are full of customers where if one guy says no...then you can move onto the next one. Some nights...there IS no "next one" so if you don't close the one that you are talking to you are SOL.

I LOVE nights when the "Wanna Dance" hustle works. It's easy, it's brainless, and as long as you have the physical energy to keep moving...you can rack up $20s quickly. However, there are plenty of other nights where you need to have a different strategy.

This is what DancerWealth teaches: things you can do when "Wanna Dance" doesn't work.

SerenaSin
08-17-2010, 06:33 AM
Stripping is a numbers game, you move to one guy to the next asking if they want a table dance all night long! does not matter how many say no cause all you care about hearing is yes and just keep asking over and over around the room and never stop! you should allways make that 1000 a night plus doing that, i found it very easy, making money in a club is simple if you follow the numbers game each no gets you closer to the yes.

its just sales.

$1000/night is extremely rare in this economy for most dancers. No matter how hot they are. Consider yourself one of the lucky ones, that you happen to live in a state or city w/ an exceptionally lucrative stripping scene. I guarantee you that if you were plopped down into my geographical area or worked dayshifts (or hell, even nightshifts in the summer) the money would be nowhere near the same as what you're used to.

I'm not trying to come down on your appearance or hustling skills or anything, it's just facts. The market is different.

Lately on my shift there's not been more than 10 guys in my club at any given time, and around 15 girls. I consider myself lucky because I have a couple consistent regs and without them i would have been leaving owing the club half the time. Even so, none of them give me more than $400 a visit usually.

With so few customers in the club and so many dancers, you've got to be on your A-game. I like Dancerwealth, it's helped keep me focused on honing my game. So yeh, I move on to the next guy... when there IS a "next guy". When there isn't, I spend more time w/ the customer I'm with, and focus on appealing to him and being what he's looking for and making connections w/ him.

tempest666
08-29-2010, 05:54 PM
I had a pirated copy that was given to me in Tampa but I left in in NOLA

britneyireland
08-30-2010, 03:11 PM
Thanks for the heads up Tempest!!

Please let me clarify:

The pirated copy was the OLD DancerWealth home study course...which is precisely the reason why the NEW DancerWealth is an online course. If you read back through this thread, you will see that the new course has over 30 tutorials, and only ONE of those videos contains content from the old course.

The REALLY good news is that we now have corporate sponsorship...so you may soon be working at a club that will waive the initial membership fee for you!

strippername
08-30-2010, 05:12 PM
^ The corporate sponsorship is great! Congratulations.

I am going to pay for it with my hard earned money. :) I plan on registering any moment now. I am having a night in and DancersWealth. After reading about it for a few years now I am finally serious enough to invest.

britneyireland
08-30-2010, 06:56 PM
Thanks Strippername!

The Lodge in Dallas is our first partner. Dawn Rizos even sponsored our booth at the Gentlemen's Club Expo last week!

tempest666
08-30-2010, 07:01 PM
^^ Maybe those cheapasses at 7th heaven will get it for all of the dancers...after they repair the damn holes in the floor and the stage!

jessica_rabbit
08-31-2010, 08:56 PM
You know, I can see SalemSexy's point because for a while I used to think this way. After all, stripping isn't rocket science. But I realize that there is much more to it then being pretty and friendly. Wanna-dance nights are not as common as they used to be. There are less customers, more girls, yada yada we all know how it is these days. I seem to be relying a lot more on sales skills and customer service then I ever have. And while I consider myself a fairly seasoned professional with decent hustling skills, there is always room for improvement. I'm thinking about giving this course a shot in the next few weeks when I can make some time for it. If I do, I will let you all know how it goes.

britneyireland
09-01-2010, 12:40 PM
Thanks JessicaRabbit!

As a dancer, I know how frustrating it can be to have to actually WORK at selling dances. I misss the Wanna Dance days too! I had an experience this past weekend that I used as the topic of my Playtime Magazine article this month:

Recently I went to two Phoenix/Scottsdale area clubs with a friend who had several hundred dollars of cash earmarked for lapdances. When we arrived to the establishments, we noticed two things: 1. A room full of guys who were staring at the stage with blank looks on their faces, NOT buying dances. 2. Twenty girls standing along the wall talking to each other with scowls on their faces.

It reminded me of the chicken and the egg question...which one came first? The bored customer or the frustrated dancer? I'm pretty sure the guy who paid for cover charge and the overpriced drink didn't walk into the strip club with the intention of being bored or ignored.....why is he watching the game on TV? Could it be that hardly anyone has smiled at him or welcomed him to the club? Why are his arms crossed? Maybe he feels uncomfortable and is dreading the inevitable "Wanna Dance?" that he knows is coming? Even as nice as he can possibly be with "Maybe later" or "No thank you" is met with anger and a side of mental beatdown?

After we sat down, let our eyes adjust, and ordered our first drink one of the entertainers who had been standing along the wall sauntered over to our table, leaned down in between us with her hands on the table and said, "You guys wanna dance?" We looked at each other, my friend smiled and said, "We haven't even met you yet." I guess the thought of having a 2 song conversation with us wasn't nearly as attractive as standing along the wall with folded arms, because she just stomped back to her friends. In a busy club situation, "Wanna Dance" sometimes works...but it certainly wasn't appropriate for this particular evening. We left that club with a wallet full of money because we didn't "Wanna Dance". We wanted an experience, and nobody knew how to get the money we brought with us!

The rest of the article won't be published until October, but I thought the introduction was appropriate here. I'm sure this situation happens all the time because the art of the sale has been lost.

Kylea2
09-01-2010, 01:49 PM
^^^^ That is EXACTLY it these days. We are there to entertain... which encompasses more than just dancing.

crystalize
09-01-2010, 05:20 PM
There are some people who could care less about getting to know you, though but I agree most of the time "wanna dance" is not the smartest move. In the case Britney described the girls probably tried all the guys already. I know my club looks like that most of the time even though we have good hustlers who use the right approach.

bambiblue
09-01-2010, 08:38 PM
I just read through all these posts, bcuz I've been pretty burned out lately...over 6 years of dancing and within the last 2 years, EVERYTHING about this industry has changed. I was thinking of ordering it, but am still on the fence... mostly because the insane amount of extras that has gotten progressively worse at my club... I just dont know if an honest girl can make a buck no matter what techniques she has...

Kylea2
09-02-2010, 01:52 AM
^^^ You can still make money but you have to be in the right club & have the right sales techniques.

jessica_rabbit
09-03-2010, 03:35 AM
1. A room full of guys who were staring at the stage with blank looks on their faces, NOT buying dances. 2. Twenty girls standing along the wall talking to each other with scowls on their faces.


You're exactly right! I'd really like to read your article when it comes out. I'm starting to realize that there is a big difference between being a dancer and being an entertainer. These days, people are looking for much more than a $20 lapdance. They are looking for an experience. And that doesn't necessarily mean extras. They just want to be shown a good time and dancers who go above and beyond the "wanna dance" routine have the best shot at making $$.

I really like the positive energy that the DancerWealth class seems to encourage. The most important thing for me is to stay motivated and if I can find something that helps me actually look forward to going to work then I'm sold.

britneyireland
09-03-2010, 03:46 AM
Here is part of the answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcW24L-MJcA

And to expand on Bambiblue's comments: being able to ACTION on the content presented in DancerWealth is key. Just because you know "what" to do doesn't mean that you will do it. Every dancer has a shelf life-when you decide that you are done, you're done.

salemsexy
09-03-2010, 04:36 PM
We pulled the home study course off the shelves in May, when I took the company over. We are currently designing an interactive online course that will be available as soon as we can get the site up and running.

Your card should not have been charged, as we dismantled the shopping cart. I will look into the matter.

I was one of the first students who went through the Dancerwealth Seminar. It completely shifted my perspective.

You can read my blog about it here (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&FriendID=40968744&blogMonth=10&blogDay=23&blogYear=2007)

Come post a article about your dancer wealth over here,

http://camgirlsclubforum.camgirls-club.com

sure more would like the info!

britneyireland
09-06-2010, 11:20 PM
Back By Popular Demand:

Labor Day Sale! Offer Ends Friday Sept 10 (http://www.stripandgrowrich.com/labordaysale.html)

strippername
09-06-2010, 11:22 PM
^Great deal. Do it!

Where is the striptionary and history of burlesque?

britneyireland
09-06-2010, 11:30 PM
strippername: the system will automatically email it to you....(and let me know if it doesn't!)

britneyireland
09-08-2010, 11:35 PM
Only TWO more days left to get DancerWealth at Half Price!

Check out my new page at www.dancerwealth.com

Purrfect
09-24-2010, 04:27 PM
Hello, I'm a newbie. :) Been reading this forum (mostly Hustle Hut:D) for more than a week now, but haven't posted anything yet. Since I ordered Dancerwealth yesterday, I thought I'd drop a line.

I know I've only used it for learning for a day, but I did take it seriously and made notes (I know you're not supposed to learn too much on the first day.. Well, I couldn't resist!). Last night was my first night in a New Zealand strip club and as I'd never danced in NZ before, I was SO scared as I had no idea how everything works.

So I went in at 8... And I was booked for the whole night. From 8.30 til 5 am. I had three guys altogether, one of them booked me for 30 minutes, then extended another 30 minutes. Right after I walked out from the private dancing area, I went to another guy and said "Hello? How is your night going? Oh so you have no plans? Well, what if I decide, what you're going to do tonight? ;)". And it TOTALLY worked. I had him for 30+30 minutes as well. Right after that I walked out to the floor again and went to talk to the very first guy I saw. Turns out he was about to leave the club as he was bored and only encountered the "Wanna dance?" girls. He booked me for over 7 hours altogether, this has NEVER happened to me. I could not believe it! I put aside my emotions and controlled what and how I was saying and it worked so well! I also decided not to drink, as I usually drink at work and end up as a mess and taking everything really personally. Well, since we WERE in the Champagne Room, he insisted I drink some, but I got away with sipping on one glass for the whole time and making him drink most of it. :D

I'm working again tonight to see if that was just my super lucky first night in this club or that I've actually completely changed my attitude and gained confidence so much from reading hustle hut and using Dancerwealth techniques. I actually had Avalon talking in my head when I was in the club. Loved it. Works so well! Thank you :)

britneyireland
09-24-2010, 07:27 PM
I actually had Avalon talking in my head when I was in the club. Loved it. Works so well! Thank you THATS AWESOME!!! LOL!

Make sure you opt in to the members only newsletter so you get the weekly lesson plans. It includes a free download of the workbook and helpful activities to DO that week to implement the system (rather than just watch some videos and say "yeah, I know that."

Surprise
09-24-2010, 10:48 PM
all these ZOMG it worked for me posts make me feel stupid. i've been taking crazy notes and rewatching everything and it's just not helping me any. :(

Harleigh HellKat
09-24-2010, 10:53 PM
Try a new club? If being positive and using sales techniques isn't working... maybe it's the club?

Surprise
09-25-2010, 01:12 AM
Try a new club? If being positive and using sales techniques isn't working... maybe it's the club?

i do pretty okay consistently when i'm NOT thinking about dw tactics. this is a good club, and i am comfortable and happy here. i can't grasp the personality thing, and i have a really, really, really hard time trying to figure out who is what, so i can think about how to deal with them. when i say fuck it, and resort to my old ways i do still make decent money, but i know if i had this shit down i would be making more money.

britneyireland
09-25-2010, 01:53 AM
Surprise...you're having analysis paralysis.

How do you eat an elephant?

One bite at a time.


Are you receiving the weekly lesson plan via email? That will guide you on what skill to work on during the week. If you try to skip ahead, watch every single video in a day, and memorize a gazillion little tips and tricks you are going to end up where you are right now...frustrated and confused.

I can manually reset your email lessons if you need me to, but you still have to click "confirm" in order to receive them. Shoot me an email at [email protected]

Artemis
09-25-2010, 06:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cijjUk6YlEA&feature=related

I LOVE this video! I'm going to order now. I only made it through the first 2 pages of this thread but I just want to get myself back out of the "Do you wanna dance?" phase I put myself back into. Gawd, I'm sick of saying the same things over & over ;D I got burned out, but at the same time still really love dancing. Thanks 8)

she sells sanctuary
09-25-2010, 10:28 PM
i want to order with a credit card, but um, what shows up on the statement?