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SydneyII
11-17-2008, 07:45 AM
Well, you sell your time and your personality rather than a contact 8)

Moreover, the customers get used to the norm and if no touching is the norm then they are happy to pay for air dances. A problem only arises when somebody in such club allows touching or dances dirty, because some customers will start spending their money on that particular girl... but still, not everyone is interested in a contact dance and many people pay more for a conversation in the VIP instead.

Cristal1981
11-17-2008, 09:13 AM
HEY Cristal,

would you mind posting a link to the hostel you talked about, I wouldn't like to get the shared accommodation either and as I've never been to Paris, I don't know which hostels are decent so it would help me loads :-*

xx

Hi :)

Here is the link:

http://www.hotel-saint-pierre.fr/

A friend of mine reserved the room on the phone because they dont speak any english, not a big deal ;) hope you can or know someone who can speak french....

XXX

Cristal1981
11-17-2008, 09:20 AM
wow, how do you make any money doing air dances? do guys stack the air dances or do they usually just get one dance? how much can you average doing no contact? i live in LA and cant imaging being able to make money without sitting on the customer. it would be a dream come true to be able to though.

In most airdance clubs i worked in London they take more then 1 dance.
Only downpart for me is i get bored with the movements i do with airdancing....
Most custs in London know that it is airdance so its easy to sell...
Still i dont think London is the best place to make good money or even ok money......

jung cheng
11-17-2008, 07:03 PM
well like its been said you sell yor time, if dancers have a crap personailty and/or are ugly and desperately need the money then theyre the ones most likely to dirty dance/ let men touch, if a guy has to be stopped from touching a girl in my club its a six month ban and any money paid for vip is not returned whether its $200 or $800 bad behaviour is not accepted x

jung cheng
11-17-2008, 07:06 PM
^^^ thats before they touch like if they go to touch and the girl has to jump back.

also if girls are suspected even if for no reason they have to dance in the room where the house mom can see

Otoki
11-18-2008, 02:01 PM
well like its been said you sell yor time, if dancers have a crap personailty and/or are ugly and desperately need the money then theyre the ones most likely to dirty dance/ let men touch, if a guy has to be stopped from touching a girl in my club its a six month ban and any money paid for vip is not returned whether its $200 or $800 bad behaviour is not accepted x
This is a ban for the customer, not the dancer, correct?

jung cheng
11-20-2008, 01:02 AM
no if you need to put out your hand to stop yourself falling, or balance on their shoulder its usualy ok but most clubs wouldnt allow touching customers x

chanzep
11-20-2008, 02:42 AM
Yeah u get used to it but its hard when your drunk !, Also has anyone worked in a new club in Boston Lincs?, and anyone goin Erotica tis weekend?;D

jung cheng
11-20-2008, 06:02 AM
a girl i worked with is running the club in boston and from what i gather thing arent going well and alot of girls have left or are complaining because its not doin well atall, i think its just in the wrong location, they've cut down on the nights they are opening and have closed for days at a time due to poor organisation.
also some of the pages including the audion one are jut copied off stringefellows including the images and the contact details and locations changed, they clearly have no idea what they are doing x

http://dreamgirlsuk.co.uk/lap-dance-club/lap-dancers-pictures.html
click on phoebe, she's also very vile and rude too!

Otoki
11-20-2008, 10:14 AM
no if you need to put out your hand to stop yourself falling, or balance on their shoulder its usualy ok but most clubs wouldnt allow touching customers x
Wait, that makes no sense. I get the dirty dancing thing, but what if the customer is being handsy with you and you ask the bouncer to help you control him? Are you going to be fined for that as well?

jung cheng
11-20-2008, 11:56 AM
^^^^
how does that make no sense?
if yor going to fall over you can put you hand on his shoulder so you dont fall flat on your face or on top of him!

if that happended to me, im always watching them discreetly i would quickly take 2 steps forward, i think that its quite obvious if you were doing something to prevent further or more intimate contact you wouldnt be in trouble for it!

Otoki
11-20-2008, 05:11 PM
^^^^
how does that make no sense?
if yor going to fall over you can put you hand on his shoulder so you dont fall flat on your face or on top of him!

if that happended to me, im always watching them discreetly i would quickly take 2 steps forward, i think that its quite obvious if you were doing something to prevent further or more intimate contact you wouldnt be in trouble for it!
The part I didn't understand is whether or not you would get in trouble for needing help getting a handsy guy to behave. I was confused because I thought you meant that if you needed the bouncers' help you would get fined for not "doing enough" to prevent the asshole from touching you. Can you see how I would get this from your original post?

chanzep
11-20-2008, 07:32 PM
a girl i worked with is running the club in boston and from what i gather thing arent going well and alot of girls have left or are complaining because its not doin well atall, i think its just in the wrong location, they've cut down on the nights they are opening and have closed for days at a time due to poor organisation.
also some of the pages including the audion one are jut copied off stringefellows including the images and the contact details and locations changed, they clearly have no idea what they are doing x

http://dreamgirlsuk.co.uk/lap-dance-club/lap-dancers-pictures.html
click on phoebe, she's also very vile and rude too!

Thanks for that, won't bother with that one then, is there no where decent to work in this country damm!}:D

jung cheng
11-21-2008, 06:41 AM
no if you need to put out your hand to stop yourself falling, or balance on their shoulder its usualy ok but most clubs wouldnt allow touching customers x

hm no, at no point did i say you would get fined for topping a customer touching you, i dont know where you got that from!

Otoki
11-21-2008, 09:23 AM
well like its been said you sell yor time, if dancers have a crap personailty and/or are ugly and desperately need the money then theyre the ones most likely to dirty dance/ let men touch, if a guy has to be stopped from touching a girl in my club its a six month ban and any money paid for vip is not returned whether its $200 or $800 bad behaviour is not accepted x
NOW do you see where the confusion started?

I read this sentence as "if a girl needs help controlling a guy it's a six month ban".

Because it's talking about a club in a different country, I don't know what the "normal" attitudes are and what constitutes "dirty dancing" vs "asking for help with a customer".

jung cheng
11-21-2008, 09:46 AM
no if you need to put out your hand to stop yourself falling, or balance on their shoulder its usualy ok but most clubs wouldnt allow touching customers x


well like its been said you sell yor time, if dancers have a crap personailty and/or are ugly and desperately need the money then theyre the ones most likely to dirty dance/ let men touch, if a guy has to be stopped from touching a girl in my club its a six month ban and any money paid for vip is not returned whether its $200 or $800 bad behaviour is not accepted x

hmm returned, meaning sent back and who pays for the VIP?
the dancer?NO
the customer

also it says guy touching a girl, not girl stopping guy touching her
please read carefuly

Vesper
12-03-2008, 11:28 AM
Btw, if you're hired after an audition, do big London clubs like Stringfellows, Spearmint & FYEO usually let you start working immediately/the same night? I'm going to audition on Friday...*jitters*
:thanx:

SydneyII
12-03-2008, 05:53 PM
I don't think I can help you much.. but the FYEOs I worked at (not the big new one in the centre) didn't do working audition... I'd call in and ask if I were you, good luck x

chanzep
12-03-2008, 06:12 PM
Stringfellows and Spearmint let you Start the same night yeah

cashing in
12-25-2008, 06:50 PM
yes they do x

Union Jackie
12-26-2008, 10:18 AM
Can anyone tell me which Secrets is the best to work at? Also, what's the current news on the clubs (I'm particularly curious about Metropolis and Socats)? I need to start scoping some London clubs out, it's been a while and we all know how volatile business has been.

I need to find a club that has a good customer:dancer ratio, and is relaxed on dancer scheduling (I don't want to commit to x shifts a week because of my diurnal commitments) so the pub clubs are out. Any recommendations welcome.

Also if there are any people wanting to check out the clubs with me, give me a shout, I will be doing so in the new year.

SydneyII
12-27-2008, 05:20 AM
Hi,

well first of all I wish you lots of luck ;) It's been pretty difficult in London.

A couple of friends of mine got hired in Sophisticats before Xmas so left my club and then returned in a week after that... they said that it was super bitchy, you could make money BUT you'd have to start at 10pm and you finish at 6am... so very long shifts thus it wasn't so worth it when you counted the hours.

Also, you have to do 3 shifts a wk minimum (I think you might have a big problem with finding a club that doesn't require you to do a certain no of days!).

Apparently, you'd have to sit around until 3am when it got busy by which time I'd fall asleep :)

Haven't heard anything about Metropolis for a long time.. Just remember that you have to do a fully nude show on the stage when you do a jug collection and when I used to work there you had to do 3 nights/days a wk and one of them had to be either Mon or Sat.

Let us know how it goes in Jan, I'm taking some time off but it would be nice to be kept informed 8)

xx

P.S. With regards to Secrets, the one in Holborn is supposed to be good ££wise but it's been rumoured to have lots of extras there. My friend went to the one near Tower Bridge, it was up and down before Xmas but she did OK on the average in the end. Avoid Hammersmith, it's very dirty (at least it was 2 years ago, I stayed 1 night!).

Union Jackie
12-27-2008, 06:50 AM
Thanks Sydney, I appreciate the info. I know London has been difficult, but due to circumstances, I cannot travel elsewhere for now. Although easy money is great, I don't mind a challenge from time to time. I'm going to remain optimistic about this one. I just know there is cash there for the taking.

Thanks for the update on Secrets, it'll help me make a more informed decision should I decide to go with the chain.

I'll keep you updated! :)

cashing in
12-27-2008, 06:55 AM
Metropolis quite easy to make money in because time in the penthouse is cheap and its easy to keep men in there after a few drinks but it is very cut throat, I liked but they have a link on their website where men can join to view the pole all night so i cant realy work there because i could loose my normal job x

Union Jackie
12-27-2008, 07:41 AM
Yeah, I know about the cam! I am not all for it to be honest, but with it only being viewable in the members only area of the website now does cut down the exposure, and because of the number of girls there, I think there is a small chance I would be recognised.

How much does the penthouse/VIP cost and what is the house fee/commission at metropolis?

SydneyII
12-27-2008, 11:42 AM
Hi,

I worked there 2 years ago but don't think it changed much. The housefee used to be £70, dances £10, VIP £100/p.h., the club didn't take any cut out of it. However, when a customer wanted to go to the upper levels, he needed to buy a wrist band which cost about £20 if I remember it right.

I would love to hear of someone how they can manage to make lots of money there... Yes I had good nights there but because the private dances consist of dances around the pole, it's quite hard to get many dances in a row. Furthermore, the prices of both dances and VIP are pretty low so it doesn't add up that quickly at all. One needs to do 5 hours of VIP to clear just over £400... 5 hours!!!

Also, the management is not very good and that's what I agreed on with a few more girls. I did like the look of the club, it's got a great stage in the middle of the ground floor, but unless the competition is weak or one charges higher prices than they officially list, I can't imagine anyone doing extremely well there.

Union Jackie
12-27-2008, 01:04 PM
£100 per hour? My goodness, that is low. I wonder if management allow girl's to set higher prices at their discretion? I know in some clubs there is a minimum for VIP (meaning that you can charge what you like, as long as it is not under a certain price). That's the only way I can see someone banking there.

I'd rather not work in a club where my income is capped at the outset. I can put up with more managerial/dancer BS but only if I deem the £££ returns at the club to be good. I've done it before. Metropolis is looking a little less attractive to me for those reasons now.

Are there any other personal recommendations of good clubs one should check out (or even ones to avoid at all costs)? It'll save me trawling through them all so I can make a shortlist. I've already got a few in mind. I'd like to put the emphasis on VIP-style clubs, I'm a good talker.

Also (I almost forgot to ask) does anyone have any info on Strings Soho? I heard it was good a couple of years ago, I wonder if it still has potential. I just don't want to work the Covent Garden one.

Thanks for the info ladies.

xxRavenxx
12-28-2008, 04:12 AM
Also (I almost forgot to ask) does anyone have any info on Strings Soho? I heard it was good a couple of years ago, I wonder if it still has potential. I just don't want to work the Covent Garden one.

Thanks for the info ladies.

I work at strings soho...
i think its like ALL the clubs in london.... in theory the "potential" is there to make money...

in terms of club traffic... because of soho's location you tend to get less city workers and more 'lads in on a boys night out' who just want to drink and watch girls on stage... that being said, it has been really really really really slooooooooow the past couple of months (even over the holidays)... (and i really fear to think what january is going to be like!)

there are a lot of girls...(and a lot of bitchy and ruthless girls) so you have to be really 'on it' and agressive if you are going to stand any chance.... and that is really difficult when the cliques of older girls that have been there ages have no shame in pouncing on customers and grabbing them THE MOMENT they walk in the door...
( strings has a 'let them get a drink first' rule in general... but it is widely ignored at this club. )

management are friendly... but like most clubs house fees are quite high, the club takes a high percentage of earnings and also has lots and lots of silly charges for things like sit downs / being late to stage etc etc etc...

it's a good club to work in if you don't want to compete with girls doing extras (it's a very very clean club in that sense). and it's a good club to work in if you just want to make a little extra cash on the side...
however... i don't know how i would survive if i relied on the earnings from working there to cover my bills (i have another job that covers that thankfully)
and that says a lot considering i am one of the fairly 'agressive girls' who works there pretty much every night of the week....

all that being said, i'd still say it's worth a try though if you think you're a good hustler as it IS a really 'nice' and 'classy' club... and honestly... i reeeeeaaaaally cant see it being any worse than the other clubs in London at the moment.

anyways! thats my 2 pence... do with it what you like!

spartaca
12-28-2008, 05:28 AM
Union Jackie, i'm thinking about dancing in London in the new year so let me know where you are thinking of heading. Like you, i need the flexibility to be able to only do two or three shifts a week because of my dayjob.

Union Jackie
12-28-2008, 08:05 AM
Cheers Raven, that's a good breakdown. I understand the spirit of Soho so this seems to make sense to me. Keep your hopes up for January though. It's a month a lot of girls avoid like the plague, so it might translate into less competition (at least it did for me last year)! Here's hoping!! :)

Spartaca, I am thinking of hitting the clubs for auditions early Jan (preferably 8th, 9th, 10th) as I won't be back until around then. I will PM you! :)

shameless
12-29-2008, 03:55 AM
As far as I know the Secrets chain are they only ones that will let you get away with doing two shifts a week, FYEO, Spearmint and so on all have a three shift a week minimum or face fines (usually the house fee in full for the day you didn't work).

xxRavenxx
12-29-2008, 04:23 AM
strings isnt sooooo bad with the shift requirement.... you have to do every other saturday / monday and at least one day in soho and they are usually happy to let you swap weekends / days if needed... so in that sense it's quite flexible.

SydneyII
12-30-2008, 03:41 PM
^^^^

That's quite good then, it pisses me off when clubs are so rigid when it comes to changing shifts, even when it's an emergency and a genuine reason >:(
My club requires you to give them a doctor's notice when you want to cancel/rearrange your shifts after you booked them, otherwise you have to pay the housefee for that night. I don't know whether it's true but my bf told me that GPs are not obliged to write you a notice and that they can ask you for £20 when they do write you one... so if that's true then in essence one will still get penalised even though they were were ill...:(

Union Jackie
12-31-2008, 07:38 AM
^^^^

That's quite good then, it pisses me off when clubs are so rigid when it comes to changing shifts, even when it's an emergency and a genuine reason >:(
My club requires you to give them a doctor's notice when you want to cancel/rearrange your shifts after you booked them, otherwise you have to pay the housefee for that night. I don't know whether it's true but my bf told me that GPs are not obliged to write you a notice and that they can ask you for £20 when they do write you one... so if that's true then in essence one will still get penalised even though they were were ill...:(

Your club does that? Which club do you work at if you don't mind me asking? As for the GP thing, it's at the discretion of the practice whether they will charge for the note or not.

Otoki
01-07-2009, 10:01 AM
Your club does that? Which club do you work at if you don't mind me asking? As for the GP thing, it's at the discretion of the practice whether they will charge for the note or not.
Why the fuck would they charge you for a note? Isn't it part of their fucking job? How do they justify charging essentially 30-40 bucks for a fucking note??

Union Jackie
01-07-2009, 12:39 PM
Why the fuck would they charge you for a note? Isn't it part of their fucking job? How do they justify charging essentially 30-40 bucks for a fucking note??

The government has given GP practices incentive-driven targets to reduce the amount of sick days people have off (too many sick days costs the government too much money). So charging for a sick note reduces figures but also counteracts abuse of the service (you'd be surprised at the number of people who ask for a sick note 'in advance', or want one because they have a cold). I do imagine, at least for many practices, that if you present to your doctor as genuinely being pretty unwell, they should normally issue you a sick note free of charge.

But that being said, it's not just GPs; the police charge you when you want to file a lost/stolen item report (maybe to avoid people falsely claiming on insurance?). That's the world we live in nowadays :-\

Otoki
01-08-2009, 03:32 AM
^^Thanks for the explanation. I guess the sick day thing can make sense, but it seems idiotic to charge for a theft report. I mean, why charge people who most likely got a bunch of valuables stolen, just so they can report it?

How stupid.

katerina29
01-13-2009, 05:31 PM
I;m also going to be checking out clubs in london this month, but can only do 1-2 shifts/week due to my job. I've never danced in London so not looking forwards to these long shifts, and also want to be onstage as minimal as possible, (feel free to PM me with any info etc.)