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Lady
11-08-2008, 08:03 AM
Someone should have told that to Dubya.
I actually said that because whole reading the posts, I decided not EVERONE was clear of the differences between dems and repubs, or which candidates represented which party. :O

Deogol
11-08-2008, 08:10 AM
I actually said that because whole reading the posts, I decided not EVERONE was clear of the differences between dems and repubs, or which candidates represented which party. :O

Yea. I am still not sure what the difference between Stevens (R) and Jefferson (D) is.

Lady
11-08-2008, 08:15 AM
I applaud Mia Roberts for her responses to the Obama critics in this post. No one is denying that race played a part in Obama getting voted but the critics are trying to say it is the ONLY reason he won the election. Mia said a few times if that was the case then Jesse Jackson would've gotten farther than he did (Sharpton was a joke and treated accordingly).Most Americans don't have the patience to watch/read all those debates to see how each candidate feels on each and every topic., if the people in this thread with all this knowledge of policies asked random supporter of McCain or Obama they wouldn't know. In a time when our country is more messed up then most people ever remember it being when Obama came on the scene and made his whole campaign about a "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN" people of all races quickly took notice and the way he ran that campaign of change is what put him in the white house

To respond specifically to the "people voted for him because he was black" thing of course they did BUT don't get it twisted and think that anyone voted for him ONLY because he was black. When Obama first started campaigning he had a small following but most people were thinking a black man trying to run for the presidency again is he crazy and laughed it off but once they heard his strong voice saying keywords like CHANGE while they were complaining about how bad a situation the US is in currently they started to take notice. When he actually won a state that people know as a "white state" then more people took notice and with each win and each speech more and more people took notice to the fact that a black man could actually have a chance. America has never had anything other than a white man in its highest office so when some people saw that a black man that people were believing that could actually do a good job as president had a chance they saw it as something that could be a historic moment and they wanted to be a part of it. This led people that had never voted or even thought about voting to start getting involved in the political process be it doing voter registration or simply just paying some attention to the candidates in the news media, I can guarantee no one registered to vote and then said i'm not gonna follow anything else about the election just gonna forget about it until the 4th. In conclusion anyone that is saying race played a part in Obama getting elected is true BUT if you wanna say thats the only reason then you are lying to yourself
Ok, Now I could be mistaken, but I dont believe anyone said that his race was the ONLY reason he got elected. But we were saying that it was a dtrong contributing factor, along with the poor Bush GOP admin for the last 8 years, ppl were ready for a dem not necessarily change, He made promises of more welfare which I am sure a lot of ppl like, he had an AWESOME campaign staff ... all these were big factors.
Other people in the thread are being outlandish drawing CRAZY conclusions from ANYthing anyone says. They have the "HOW dare you imply that race played a role!" attitude. And then ppl are seriously attacking anyone that does not shower Obama with praise. Any skeptisism in met with HATE and more times than not responded with something similar to this "so a BLACK man cand do it now" ... I mean WTF! Nobody says anything like that but the same people that are saying how dare you think race played a role are the same people meeting skeptics with the thinking that they are only skeptiks cuz Obama is Black. That is OBSURD. EVERONE should has reservations about him. I voted for McCain, but I was not on the band-waggon on all his policies. You cant find someone that agrees with you 100%. you just pick the one that is closest. But Im not bitter that McCain didnt win. Obama had an AWESOME campaign and the country was ready for a dem pres. But I still have a lot of reservations because I do not agree with a lot of his policies. I would have had them with McCain as well, just not as many.

Lady
11-08-2008, 08:20 AM
Yea. I am still not sure what the difference between Stevens (R) and Jefferson (D) is.
I dont know who they are. You woudl have to tel me lol. Probably from a different sate .. which is why I dont know.
Most likely, Jeff is pro-choice, Steve isnt. jeff is most likely pro gay marraige, steve is against it. Steve was probably a McCain supporter, lol, Jeff is Obama supporter. :D
You would have to look them up cuz I just odnt know who they are.

jennahoff
11-08-2008, 08:26 AM
^^finally a voice of reason.

Enough with the black/white issues. Im white and proud to be white.
As for those who are black, hispanic, asian... i am sure you all are proud as well.
No one should have to apologize to anyone for the color of their skin.

Now we can praise obama or bash obama all we want but the fact is, he is going to be our president. I personally am going to the give the guy a chance. I didnt vote for him but america has spoken and I will support him and I do wish him the best.

davka
11-08-2008, 12:53 PM
what are you proud of for being white? i'm curious? what is "white" and what are you proud of?

I mean I'm proud to be of Sicilian, Roma, and Native American descent, but to say you are proud to be "white", I am confused.

Being white, maybe you aren't the one to say "enough with the black/white issues." Maybe people who aren't white would like that discussion to remain open.

davka
11-08-2008, 12:56 PM
It's funny when we elect what 43 white presidents in a row, nobody thinks the election has anything to do with race, but as soon as a black man is elected- now race is an issue.

Every election has been about race.

davka
11-08-2008, 12:58 PM
i held on to the hand of my white husband prayed for my biracial babies and thought for once america sees what i see ( or what i don't see ) and then i cried my eyes out!!

lovely. truly.

davka
11-08-2008, 12:59 PM
i thought how sad that so many thought it was okay to elect someone based on race alone.

PEOPLE ALWAYS VOTE BASED ON RACE! THEY VOTE WHITE BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE AND PEOPLE OF COLOR SCARE THEM! HELLO!

Pan Dah
11-08-2008, 01:29 PM
PEOPLE ALWAYS VOTE BASED ON RACE! THEY VOTE WHITE BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE AND PEOPLE OF COLOR SCARE THEM! HELLO!
A vivid example of the effect of angry ranting on simple logic.

Either that statement is patent bullshit, or ACORN and other pro-Obama groups did one hell of a job stuffing the ballot boxes throughout the entire country...

jennahoff
11-08-2008, 02:44 PM
Ok then i am proud to be a "mutt". Im english, irish, italian, and swedish.....

Its just easier to say "white".

And what exactly is black?

Narcissus
11-08-2008, 03:39 PM
I have laughed, nearly cried, laughed some more ... with a huge mix of intermittent anger thrown in ... all while reading this one thread. Holy shit ... I don't even know where to start.

Here I go: My first thought when I found out that Obama had won the election was a simple one= total relief. Once I state my stance, you might be confused as to why I felt relief ... just keep reading.

Obama is a brilliant man who had a brilliant staff. He is a very charismatic speaker who knows what people want to hear and how best to get those talking points across. Having said that, let me state that I despise Obama and virtually everything he stands for.

Unfortunately, the masses of the U.S. appear to be content to rally behind a banner that displays the word 'change' than understand what those changes actually are. Different, my good friends, is not always better. The majority of people seem to be satisfied to hear him talk and make promises that sound fantastic ... satisfied to see him defeat McCain in a debate and assume that he is a great American and a better choice ... satisfied to think that he will make the country 'better'.

The real questions that need to be asked are simple ones: What exactly are the 'changes' that he represents? What is his definition of what would make this country 'better'?

Obama is the epitome of what the radical liberal movement have been trying to 'create' for years. He prescribes to a version of America that, I would be willing to wager, the vast majority of the people that voted for him would be repulsed by if they could see the result before they voted.

To change our society to one of a completely different ideology requires one of two things: military,social, and/or political defeat - or slow, obfuscated changes that are sold as beneficial to the masses ... which in turn is a form of social defeat. The latter is exactly what Obama is doing.

When Obama won the dem primary, I started researching him and his ideals. This guy is fucking scary. If I need to, I will gladly add why and how ... but to keep the size of this post a tolerable size I'll just say: anyone that believes in America as a capitalistic society should be fucking terrified of this guy.

I felt relief when he was elected simply because I no longer had the stress and worry of whether America, as a people, would realize what a bag of shit this guy is. Now I just have to worry about how much damage he will do while in office. :sigh:

I'd also like to comment on the racism and bigotry displayed in this thread and throughout this forum: it is disgusting and sickening. I hate/detest/can't stand that type of behavior and thought. Racism and bigotry begets racism and bigotry. I would also like to point out that the bigotry displayed in this thread is the exact kind that afflicts our country in the worst way: political correctness and reverse racism raises it's ugly head yet again. Sickening ...

Even though I hate Obama's guts, I admit to feeling proud of the fact that America would vote to make a black man our president. I also felt even more disgust at the fact that his race was a pivotal factor in his selection and then, his election to office.

Obama ran a brilliant campaign aimed at winning. He succeeded quite marvelously and it is hard not to admire the way in which he did it. He used every factor available to him, and he used them with a political tactical genius that this country hasn't seen in many, many years. You have to applaud the way that he, and his political staff, handled themselves. Like I said ... I may hate him, but I am forced to admire him.

He used class warfare, white guilt, black pride, partisanship, personal charisma, false ideologies, subterfuge, misogyny, and massive, massive, massive, massive amounts of cold hard cash to pull it off. My hat is off to the guy ... even those who educate themselves and understand the full implications of what his 'change' is ... are forced to admire him.

Narcissus

LEIGH_LANDON
11-08-2008, 03:56 PM
PEOPLE ALWAYS VOTE BASED ON RACE! THEY VOTE WHITE BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE AND PEOPLE OF COLOR SCARE THEM! HELLO!

You can't speak for anyone but yourself. So easy on that. Ok? The only people that scare me are the ones who think like this.

ViolaStrings
11-08-2008, 04:17 PM
You can't speak for anyone but yourself. So easy on that. Ok? The only people that scare me are the ones who think like this.

Davka has actually kind of scared me on this thread. She's usually pretty funny and articulate, but she's like militant anti racist to the point of accusatory.

xsomnambulist
11-08-2008, 04:18 PM
I'd also like to comment on the racism and bigotry displayed in this thread and throughout this forum: it is disgusting and sickening. I hate/detest/can't stand that type of behavior and thought. Racism and bigotry begets racism and bigotry. I would also like to point out that the bigotry displayed in this thread is the exact kind that afflicts our country in the worst way: political correctness and reverse racism raises it's ugly head yet again. Sickening ...


LOLOL

hockeybobby
11-08-2008, 05:04 PM
This should be renamed the hate/spew thread.

grindonme
11-08-2008, 05:06 PM
Ok, Now I could be mistaken, but I dont believe anyone said that his race was the ONLY reason he got elected. But we were saying that it was a dtrong contributing factor, along with the poor Bush GOP admin for the last 8 years, ppl were ready for a dem not necessarily change, He made promises of more welfare which I am sure a lot of ppl like, he had an AWESOME campaign staff ... all these were big factors.
Other people in the thread are being outlandish drawing CRAZY conclusions from ANYthing anyone says. They have the "HOW dare you imply that race played a role!" attitude. And then ppl are seriously attacking anyone that does not shower Obama with praise. Any skeptisism in met with HATE and more times than not responded with something similar to this "so a BLACK man cand do it now" ... I mean WTF! Nobody says anything like that but the same people that are saying how dare you think race played a role are the same people meeting skeptics with the thinking that they are only skeptiks cuz Obama is Black. That is OBSURD. EVERONE should has reservations about him. I voted for McCain, but I was not on the band-waggon on all his policies. You cant find someone that agrees with you 100%. you just pick the one that is closest. But Im not bitter that McCain didnt win. Obama had an AWESOME campaign and the country was ready for a dem pres. But I still have a lot of reservations because I do not agree with a lot of his policies. I would have had them with McCain as well, just not as many.


are you kidding me??!?!? i bet you were one to vote for him just because hes black. that just reassures my thought that we're screwed!

i thought how sad that so many thought it was okay to elect someone based on race alone.


^^^^^I agree, because I know some people that didn't even know he was once a muslim, and possibly could still be muslim..


i think it's just as terrible that some people voted for him simply "because" he's black

With this all i can say is yeas you were mistaken

ViolaStrings
11-08-2008, 06:10 PM
^ your point is made even more legit by the men in saggy white shirts throwing money at a black girl's ass. Good show, chap.

ViolaStrings
11-08-2008, 06:19 PM
Stop being racist

grindonme
11-08-2008, 06:21 PM
^ your point is made even more legit by the men in saggy white shirts throwing money at a black girl's ass. Good show, chap.

Would you care to explain or you had no response so you just decided to take a shot?

ViolaStrings
11-08-2008, 06:31 PM
^ this from the man who responded to 6 paragraphs with a sentence.

Harlow
11-08-2008, 06:40 PM
My immediate reaction was being totally thrilled...a few days before the election I was thinking it would be a tight race...wondering if it would be weeks or more before we would find out who our new President was. When McCain called to concede ,I kept saying ITS OVER! ITS REALLY OVER!!! Not just the election,but the depression of seeing those reverse robin hoods steal from the poor to feed the rich along with the bush regime support of an obscene war...all their lies...and i am so proud of my country,more than i've ever been that voters look not at the color of obama's skin but at the content of his character. i think you people who are saying people voted for obama just because he was black are way off...he could be purple or plaid,he is signaling a new age of hope...mccain gave a decent speech and some of his supporters had to be sore losers and boo obama while when obama mentioned mccain obama supporters cheered. now is the time for unity. and hey if you don't like it as one of the other posters said just suck it up...i can lift my head up in pride now...i've raised money for the democrats for 5 years,this year specifically for barack, never have i felt so good about my vote and the result of an election. cheers,harlow

grindonme
11-08-2008, 06:42 PM
^ this from the man who responded to 6 paragraphs with a sentence.

90% of her posts was related to the sentence i posted so that one sentence was all that was needed don't ya think?

flickad
11-08-2008, 07:41 PM
I really dont want to debate the validity of the war. That is such a controversial issue. But the war was supposed to be against Al Quidea. There were plenty Al Quidea in Iraq, and in my opinion that was enough reason to go into Iraq, not to mention Hussein, which a lot of people tend to forget Bush took out of power. he was an evil man and contirbuted to providing a safe-haven for terrorists. The troops in Iraq have never been fighting AGAINST Iraqis. They have been doing the oppisite. Helping train them so they had a police and military sufficient to defend themselves. On top of that, the trrops built a ton of schools, swimming pools, stores, and other things to HELP the Iraqi people.
But let there be no doubt there are still terrorists in Iraq, hence the reason the most dangerous road in the world goes right through Iraq. Why is it dangerous .. because of IED's.

The war was purportedly because the Iraqis had weapons of mass destruction. It was never as much as contended that the branch of al-Qaeda allegedly responsible for the World Trade Centre attacks were being sheltered by Iraq. Osama bin Laden himself is Saudi Arabian, I believe, which is a country that Bush didn't so much as say 'boo' to.

There are plenty of other evil dictators elsewhere in the world, which Bush never appeared to give two hoots about.

The troops invaded a foreign country, and plenty of civilians died.

Perry
11-08-2008, 08:42 PM
This is getting painfull. I should be happy - the guy I voted for won. The props I voted for passed. There are bound to be some nay-sayers, sure, but we're entitled to different opinons on how the world should work and the country be run.

It's when people who voted for the same man I did and think the same way I do yell, "No! It's different! You don't understand!" that I loose any joy and hope I had when the results came in. And I'm sick of hearing all of this, "You wouldn't understand, because you're white..." non sense from women claiming to be strippers. I wasn't given any edge. I was born in a trailer park, lived my life and I became a stripper JUST LIKE YOU. Race had remarkably little to do with it. There was no advantage or disadvantage, just life.

I've been discriminated against as a sex worker, a vegetarian, an athiest, a woman and so on. So have all of us here to some extent. It's not like theres a bowl of hate and it's dispenced spoonful by spoonful, and there may not be enough to go around. And it's not like people get more of the nasty hate-soup based on their color. There's plenty of it for everyone. Even white Christian males.

Actually, recent studies show that people dislike and distrust atheists more than Muslims, homosexuals and all other minority groups. In ancient times we were killed for refusing to believe, and even GB senior said we are not American citizens. Does that give me the right to talk down to other members of this forum and make them feel guilty because of their religion? No, it doesn't.

So, if you're happy Obama won, be happy. If you're not, then by all means, talk about it. And let's go right ahead and argue POLITICS. It's not about race. It never ever should have been. It's about economy, trade, bills, laws, goverment and all that stuff that's supposed to be boring. We're given the right, and even encouraged to criticize the president, govenor, senate and anyone else in power. We shouldn't be afraid to do so just because the comander in cheif may be a different color than us. Doens't make anyone rascist - just American.

Jabba_WTF?
11-08-2008, 09:01 PM
STOP BEING RACIST

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/1046792/
Bringing in the "Redneck James Bond" is just evil.:'(

arctic717
11-08-2008, 09:43 PM
There were plenty Al Quidea in Iraq, and in my opinion that was enough reason to go into Iraq. There were no Al Qaeda in Iraq. That's the assinine part of our past foreign policy, there were none. Secular Muslim Sadam Hussien is a worst enemy to Bin Laden than us infidels. Left to his own, Sadam would have hunted and killed any Al Qaeda in Iraq as well as keep Iran at bay. Instead of leaving him alone to build his mansions (that was all he was doing after we bloodied his nose in Gulf War I) we opened up Pandoras Box. Even after our horrible play of invading there was never more than 5% Al Queda amonst those we've been fighting.

arctic717
11-08-2008, 09:51 PM
i did not bring up the socialism thing ....
Um, you posted this:


Actually that is the DEFINITION of socialism on a very small scale. Taking from the rich and giving it to the poor.
That is NOT the way the GOV has EVER worked in the past. This will be a first for America. I can only hope that congres does not let this go through

hockeybobby
11-08-2008, 09:57 PM
I wonder what taking from the poor, and giving to the rich is called? Anti-Socialism? :D

Narcissus
11-08-2008, 10:36 PM
There were no Al Qaeda in Iraq. That's the assinine part of our past foreign policy, there were none. Secular Muslim Sadam Hussien is a worst enemy to Bin Laden than us infidels. Left to his own, Sadam would have hunted and killed any Al Qaeda in Iraq as well as keep Iran at bay. Instead of leaving him alone to build his mansions (that was all he was doing after we bloodied his nose in Gulf War I) we opened up Pandoras Box. Even after our horrible play of invading there was never more than 5% Al Queda amonst those we've been fighting.

Funny. Bin Laden, General Petraeus, and numerous other sources disagree with you ...

In earlier years ... doubts were forming about the link ... (and I suspect this is the same political propaganda that you are basing your beliefs off of)


Later, facts were revealed that debunked the myth that the ties were not there:






It would probably be helpful to use facts rather than second-bush-election left wing propaganda. Just a tip ...

Narcissus

Narcissus

Jabba_WTF?
11-08-2008, 10:50 PM
PEOPLE ALWAYS VOTE BASED ON RACE! THEY VOTE WHITE BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE AND PEOPLE OF COLOR SCARE THEM! HELLO!
Okay.
Could you keep speaking for me? I like when other people tell me I am "this" or "that".
You dont know me, and you dont know that I've had Black friends, homosexuall friends, and many other types of friends.
(I apologize if you were being sarcastic.)


I wonder what taking from the poor, and giving to the rich is called? Anti-Socialism? :D
I'm thinkin' it's called extremist capitalism.:O

xsomnambulist
11-08-2008, 11:03 PM
You dont know me, and you dont know that I've had Black friends, homosexuall friends, and many other types of friends.
(I apologize if you were being sarcastic.)

Not necessarily agreeing with her, but, uh, you can have black friends, homosexual friends, whatever, and still have a prejudice against them.

Narcissus
11-09-2008, 12:01 AM
Not necessarily agreeing with her, but, uh, you can have black friends, homosexual friends, whatever, and still have a prejudice against them.

Agreed. However, I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that Jabba was trying to defend the 'white man' and debunk the absurdly retarded comment of how white people are scared of 'color'.

EDIT: I just realized that I posted my opinion of what Jabba was saying directly after his post of ...

Could you keep speaking for me? I like when other people tell me I am "this" or "that".
/EDIT

It is stupid comments like that (davka, not Jabba), mixed with the politically correct racism that is so dominant in America's society today, that propagates racism and bigotry. Disgusting and revolting don't begin to encompass my feelings on that subject.

Anyways, I think most everyone was pointedly trying to ignore davka's posts because blatant ignorance and open bigotry is usually best ignored over the internet.

*cough*Although it is interesting to note how little attention was given to such an openly bigoted view/comment ... almost makes you wonder what the reaction would have been had the roles been reversed. Politically correct reverse-racism anybody?*cough*

Narcissus

xsomnambulist
11-09-2008, 12:04 AM
Agreed. However, I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that Jabba was trying to defend the 'white man' and debunk the absurdly retarded comment of how white people are scared of 'color'.

It is stupid comments like that, mixed with the politically correct racism that is so dominant in America's society today, that propagates racism and bigotry. Disgusting and revolting don't begin to encompass my feelings on that subject.

Anyways, I think most everyone was pointedly trying to ignore davka's posts because blatant ignorance and open bigotry is usually best ignored over the internet.

*cough*Although it is interesting to note how little attention was given to such an openly bigoted view/comment ... almost makes you wonder what the reaction would have been had the roles been reversed. Politically correct reverse-racism anybody?*cough*

Narcissus

Oh, I definitely got that, but if it was going to be done, it should have been done with a more sturdy statement, that's all.

And again, LOLOLOL. Are you accusing me of condoning what you consider to be racism, or of being racist myself? Nifty. That's on you, kiddo.

EDIT: That really pissed me off. But I'm sure its because you've called me out on my racism. Thank you, sir. I'm sorry I've made you and your people feel so slighted. My apologies, white race, my apologies. ::)

Jabba_WTF?
11-09-2008, 12:13 AM
Agreed. However, I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that Jabba was trying to defend the 'white man' and debunk the absurdly retarded comment of how white people are scared of 'color'.
...
Narcissus
Exactly what I was trying to do.


Not necessarily agreeing with her, but, uh, you can have black friends, homosexual friends, whatever, and still have a prejudice against them.
Ok. Just saying what I said having never been able to have a prejudice against the kind of person my friends have been.
And as far as the way I word my posts; I have ADD to the point I can barely stay focused on anything for very long.
As a result, I can't word my posts very well.

xsomnambulist
11-09-2008, 12:23 AM
Ok. Just saying what I said having never been able to have a prejudice against the kind of person my friends have been.


If its true, awesome. I just get sick of the old, "BUT I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS!" bullshit.

Narcissus
11-09-2008, 12:46 AM
Oh, I definitely got that, but if it was going to be done, it should have been done with a more sturdy statement, that's all.

And again, LOLOLOL. Are you accusing me of condoning what you consider to be racism, or of being racist myself? Nifty. That's on you, kiddo.

EDIT: That really pissed me off. But I'm sure its because you've called me out on my racism. Thank you, sir. I'm sorry I've made you and your people feel so slighted. My apologies, white race, my apologies. ::)

Sorry about that. Look, I don't want to be 'removed' (read: banned, suspended, hated off, etc) from the forums, but the hypocrisy involved in today's version of racism and bigotry is astounding.

I find it amazing that comments can be made saying virtually anything against 'the white race' in today's society and it is politically correct to ignore and/or accept it and move on. Yet a 'perceived slight' (by anyone in 'the white race') involving a minority attracts so much hate and angst ... regardless of whether that 'perceived slight' even involves race ...

Even in this forum ... an internet forum that obscures the majority of 'the white people' in anonymity ... when race is brought up it instantly becomes eggshells and combat boots. Words and phrases are chosen with supreme care and fie on the careless who allow anything slightly questionable by. It is simply amazing.

Most people define racism and bigotry as 'the white people' (single or plural) hating or disrespecting 'the black people' (single or plural). Obviously, that isn't the definition ... but that is how our society treats it. I see ten times (or more) the bigotry in the attitudes of many of 'the black people' than I've ever seen in a white person. Hell, I cannot even comment on it without revising the post until each racial group is marked by a specific, neutral grouping (the white people, the black people).

Anyone that doesn't believe me is welcome to re-read this thread and mentally switch races of each poster and see. There would be an uproar over some of the comments made ... and that is in this very thread.

/threadjacking

Narcissus

xsomnambulist
11-09-2008, 12:49 AM
And what exactly is black?

As far as being black is concerned, "of African decent" usually suffices, since, you know, many of us were ripped from our homeland, records destroyed, had our native names and those of our children replaced with those deemed acceptable in America (I'll call it "America" to be PC for you guys, and avoid being pegged the dreaded "reverse-racist"), and many of us don't know where we have come from.

Luckily I do know where I come from, and I'm damn proud to flaunt my Nigerian name (although our native names are still frowned upon and called "ghetto") and my Nigerian heritage.

Jabba_WTF?
11-09-2008, 01:04 AM
If its true, awesome. I just get sick of the old, "BUT I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS!" bullshit.
When you put it that way, I understand.
I hear alot of the same kind of things when I tell people about myself.

xsomnambulist
11-09-2008, 01:07 AM
Sorry about that. Look, I don't want to be 'removed' (read: banned, suspended, hated off, etc) from the forums, but the hypocrisy involved in today's version of racism and bigotry is astounding.

I find it amazing that comments can be made saying virtually anything against 'the white race' in today's society and it is politically correct to ignore and/or accept it and move on. Yet a 'perceived slight' (by anyone in 'the white race') involving a minority attracts so much hate and angst ... regardless of whether that 'perceived slight' even involves race ...

Even in this forum ... an internet forum that obscures the majority of 'the white people' in anonymity ... when race is brought up it instantly becomes eggshells and combat boots. Words and phrases are chosen with supreme care and fie on the careless who allow anything slightly questionable by. It is simply amazing.

Most people define racism and bigotry as 'the white people' (single or plural) hating or disrespecting 'the black people' (single or plural). Obviously, that isn't the definition ... but that is how our society treats it. I see ten times (or more) the bigotry in the attitudes of many of 'the black people' than I've ever seen in a white person. Hell, I cannot even comment on it without revising the post until each racial group is marked by a specific, neutral grouping (the white people, the black people).

Anyone that doesn't believe me is welcome to re-read this thread and mentally switch races of each poster and see. There would be an uproar over some of the comments made ... and that is in this very thread.

/threadjacking

Narcissus

I was with you on a lot of what you were writing (however, not all -- but I credit that to us having different experiences due to our races), until I got to this part. Really? Than you've ever seen in a white person? Really? My interpretation is that a lot of us black folks were pretty damn happy that we have a president that looks like us, gets ashy and needs lotion like us (ROFL Mia) which was met with replies of "Oh, you voted for him because he was black," or "You're racist, because race doesn't matter," or a "get over yourselves" type of attitude. I personally don't consider many responses to those types of things racist. Please, because I know you disagree with me, give me examples of what you think was out of line, so that I can better understand your view.

thelovelylenee
11-09-2008, 01:15 AM
and it makes me wonder just how long this thread is going to go on .....it could last forever but eventualy it all boils down to personal responsibility and as basic as it is not generalizing ANY group of people ....k just my 2 cents carry on...;D

xsomnambulist
11-09-2008, 01:32 AM
and it makes me wonder just how long this thread is going to go on .....it could last forever but eventualy it all boils down to personal responsibility and as basic as it is not generalizing ANY group of people ....k just my 2 cents carry on...;D

This is true. Coulda sworn I said I was done, but I can't...pull...myself...away.

Narcissus
11-09-2008, 01:43 AM
I was with you on a lot of what you were writing (however, not all -- but I credit that to us having different experiences due to our races), until I got to this part. Really? Than you've ever seen in a white person? Really? Is that only for this thread, or for life at large?

That is in it's entirety. I've known bigoted white people, I don't deny that. However, they display far less fervor than many, many, many of the racist, bigoted blacks I've met. Usually the white vs black bigotry that I witness is just against the people that pull the race card at every opportunity. When a line gets closed at the moment a black guy or girl gets to the cashier and they start ranting and raving about racism (usually the line is re-opened to serve them ... white guilt). Beyond that, I rarely see any white vs black racism/bigotry at all. When I say rare ... I mean rare. There are always the 'bad apples', but as a general rule ...

I really believe that there is more white vs black racism out there (based off of a multitude of claims), I just rarely see it. That is one of the reasons why I despise those that claim it is everywhere. I live here as well and am quite good at reading people ... yet I see it so rarely. I quite often see white people getting walked all over ... simply because they are white. However, because of 'white guilt', we are usually far too ashamed to stand up and say anything.

I abhor any racial distinctions beyond the 'norm' (the standard: that black guy with the glasses has it). Except, of course, from my black friends. Yet again, then it becomes a different scenario.

The most racist, bigoted man I've ever met in my life was my older brother's history professor (a looooong time ago)(black). Long story short: he told my best friend at the time (black) that my brother and I used him as proof that we weren't racist. He told him that we were holding the black man down ... which was just a new type of slavery. Bleh ... everyone knew that guy was a racist pig yet noone dared report him.

Narcissus

xsomnambulist
11-09-2008, 01:54 AM
That is in it's entirety. I've known bigoted white people, I don't deny that. However, they display far less fervor than many, many, many of the racist, bigoted blacks I've met. Usually the white vs black bigotry that I witness is just against the people that pull the race card at every opportunity. When a line gets closed at the moment a black guy or girl gets to the cashier and they start ranting and raving about racism (usually the line is re-opened to serve them ... white guilt). Beyond that, I rarely see any white vs black racism/bigotry at all. When I say rare ... I mean rare. There are always the 'bad apples', but as a general rule ...

I really believe that there is more white vs black racism out there (based off of a multitude of claims), I just rarely see it. That is one of the reasons why I despise those that claim it is everywhere. I live here as well and am quite good at reading people ... yet I see it so rarely. I quite often see white people getting walked all over ... simply because they are white. However, because of 'white guilt', we are usually far too ashamed to stand up and say anything.

I abhor any racial distinctions beyond the 'norm' (the standard: that black guy with the glasses has it). Except, of course, from my black friends. Yet again, then it becomes a different scenario.

The most racist, bigoted man I've ever met in my life was my older brother's history professor (a looooong time ago)(black). Long story short: he told my best friend at the time (black) that my brother and I used him as proof that we weren't racist. He told him that we were holding the black man down ... which was just a new type of slavery. Bleh ... everyone knew that guy was a racist pig yet noone dared report him.

Narcissus

Firstly, I wouldn't call it a 'general rule,' and secondly: really? Like, I just can't wrap my head around that. Most of the racism I've seen and have been on the receiving end of has been completely unprovoked, or if the perpetrator feels that it has been provoked, its certainly been unintentional. Sucks that you haven't seen what I've seen, and, in turn, that I haven't seen what you've seen.

kikidejavu
11-09-2008, 02:37 AM
im going to ignore the negativity above, and answer the op's question....

AINT NO STOPPIN US NOOOOOW!!! WE ON THE MOVE!!!!!!
i was in grant park, and had could not see the screen for crying. good day.

thelovelylenee
11-09-2008, 02:39 AM
lol i was wondering if anyone was gonna answer the question again ...

Narcissus
11-09-2008, 03:02 AM
Firstly, I wouldn't call it a 'general rule,' and secondly: really? Like, I just can't wrap my head around that. Most of the racism I've seen and have been on the receiving end of has been completely unprovoked, or if the perpetrator feels that it has been provoked, its certainly been unintentional. Sucks that you haven't seen what I've seen, and, in turn, that I haven't seen what you've seen.

You based your opinions on your experiences and I did the same. :shrug:

There are fucked-up people on all sides of racial issues, but from what I've seen ... racism is (white vs black) hardly an issue anymore. The vast majority of racism that I have seen was just the opposite ... and went unchecked because of previously stated reasons.

Here is for hoping that there will be even better days ahead ...:beer2:

Narcissus

xsomnambulist
11-09-2008, 03:10 AM
You based your opinions on your experiences and I did the same. :shrug:

There are fucked-up people on all sides of racial issues, but from what I've seen ... racism is (white vs black) hardly an issue anymore. The vast majority of racism that I have seen was just the opposite ... and went unchecked because of previously stated reasons.

Here is for hoping that there will be even better days ahead ...:beer2:

Narcissus

As I've said, my experience has been just the opposite and it sucks that we haven't seen the others experiences, but regardless: yay to better days.

Perry
11-09-2008, 03:15 AM
I've always felt a sister hood with the dancers here. That we're all strippers. We've all been scorned by certain people just for dancing naked. That we could come here for support and advice a few jokes to get over what we go through every day. Now it's turning into a pissing contest of who has to deal with more shit. That's not what this forum was meant to be - even if it is in Members board.

I'm really sad by the turn thread has taken. And by the way things are going in general around here.

You think racism doesn't upset whites?? Ask any girl who's ever teamed up with a stripper of a different color to sell dances and tell us that. People say stupid shit. Maybe 30% is racist, the rest is just stupid strip club customers being stupid in general, with no hate behind it. And it DOES hurt to see your friends hurt, it hurts the money, and it hurts the image we have of other humans in general. I've been told here that I wouldn't understand because I'm white. I'm not white here - I'm a stripper. That's it. I'll be white when someone stares at me, and even then I know they're looking at my tits or ass. So let's not talk about discrimination - there's plenty to go around. How many Tyra episodes and Glamour articles have you seen bashing your proffesion? How many bored house wives would love to see you out of a job?

That's the irony. It doesn't matter if you're black/white/hispanic/asian or a topless/full nude/stage only/private party/extras girl. We're here because we're in the ADULT entertainment industry, and it's about time we acted like it. Because the rest of the world isn't about to.

kikidejavu
11-09-2008, 03:22 AM
You based your opinions on your experiences and I did the same. :shrug:

There are fucked-up people on all sides of racial issues, but from what I've seen ... racism is (white vs black) hardly an issue anymore. The vast majority of racism that I have seen was just the opposite ... and went unchecked because of previously stated reasons.

Here is for hoping that there will be even better days ahead ...:beer2:

Narcissus
did you seriously just say that racism isnt an issue anymore? wow. i cant even take the time out of my life to explain to you how wrong you are. wow. some people are so oblivious to anything outside of their little bubble.