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Miss_Luscious
11-13-2008, 01:41 PM
Links please! I'd love to see these.

Ms. Mia Roberts
11-13-2008, 01:42 PM
My final sentence was right to the point " what more shoud be being done for them?".

I'm thinking it might be possible you don't have an answer to the question. I know I don't.

welfare, food stamps, medacaid.... all personal things that help the individual...and in my opinion is way too easy to get.... but thats another thing

what i would like to see for a start (since you are an educator), is more black history and diversity classes taught, and taught the right way....beginning in elementry school....

the little that is being taught in schools is not being taught correctly.... stereotypes in the media need to be countered with education in the classroom. Kids should not be colering an angel black and writing "black power yo!".... and calling that thier contribution to AA history month. And the teacher has a responsibility of teaching thier students why its wrong ( true story btw, not making that up)

in my school, and most schools "European History" s required.... why is that??

and american and world history don't focus at all on blacks (except for the one chapter on slavery...and the side note on the civil rights movement lol)...its makes us look unimportant as a race and as a culture... same with hispanics and indians...

i also feel like we need more government programs focussing on helping specifically poor urban communities (which we all know i primarily black)... improving projects and making stricter requirements... i think a community service law where it is MANDATORY (yes narcisscus can quote me on that one lmao) to recieve aid...and instead of handing black people handouts and calling that "help"...help them help themselves... more parks, better schools, and more minority scholarship programs..



More government funding towards afterschool programs in poor urban communities

Enforce diversity commitees in school, because diversity is important... and i think it benifits both whites and blacks to have schools feel less segregated.... and have other views to contribute to the educational enviroment.... school is not (and should not be) just what you learn from a school book and passing tests

um, that was just me throwing out a few things "more" that should be done for them....

and yes, its not gonna happen over night.... it may not happen at all...but those are the steps and directions that i think our government needs to take...

Narcissus
11-13-2008, 01:48 PM
If I am one of the posters folks are refering to I'd like to know. Feel free to post it here or in a PM.

I really try to be civil but if I've offended anyone personally, I do apologize. Let me know if I've crossed a line and I will offer a personal apology as well.

+1

I'm not trying to offend anyone with my view on things, I'm just trying to discuss and debate the different perspectives. If someone finds what I say offensive, I do apologize ... but I feel that I have just as much right to express and discuss my views as anyone else.


If I may - Discussing racial issues outside of stripping is fair game when discussing politics, especially when we have just elected our first black president. It's the disparaging remarks regarding race, race relations and race discussions that upset people (including myself).

The problem is that some people are hyper-sensitive in regards to all things race related ... so it is hard to define exactly what would be considered disparaging, whether those things be opinions or facts.


you can't talk about race and not have those type of remarks and comments... i'm sorry, but its just virtually impossible

its like talking about religion (which i don't see any debates on)

Again I say the same thing. Due to hyper-sensitivity, it can be difficult to discuss openly the subject of race because those hyper-sensitive people will gladly post their views, but when an opposing view is brought up, they become offended.


This is EXACTLY what I am talking about. If you READ what I posted I clearly
advocated caution and care in discussing anything having to do with race to AVOID offending anyone. For instance, it is a FACT that about 70% of black children born in the U.S. are out of wedlock births. I'm sorry but that's just a cold hard stat. It's when you want to go deeper and discuss the societal costs that trouble may ensue. I'm not saying you can't do it or that we shouldn't do it. I'm saying that if you're going to do it, try to be respectful and keep it on a totally intellectual plane. And if there are some who are offended by facts, I say: "Too Bad. Grow Up."
and i can say thats the reason we need affirmative action.... or more money for black programs.... or that same fact you used to prove your point, i use to prove mine... blacks are being held back...thats the reason fo that "fact"

then someone is gonna say, why is it white peoples fault that black people suck at life (in more words)...and no matter how politically correct you say it.. its the same thing...

then people get offended...
This is a perfect example of what was just mentioned. You think that because black people are doing so poorly as a race, then they deserve benefits that whites cannot get. You also believe that 'the white man' is holding the black race down. Yet the instant someone disagrees or points out that ideals like that are inherently bigoted, you get furious and the discussion screeches to a halt.


I know debates on news shows are supposed to be uber-civil and such but am I the only one who wishes someone would just yell, "Shut the fuck up! That's a lie and you know it you horrible excuse for a human being!" at Hannity? Maybe I'm just a bad person....

Yep. Especially when you are talking about that insane right winger Hannity. I often hope that Colmes (or whatever his name is) will get fed up with his political propaganda and lose control and knock Hannity the fuck out ... on a live show.


Hannity's pants have been pulled down many times. Most of his "lies" have been exposed. The "cure" for guys like Hannity is NOT to try and shut them up but to show how factually delinquent they are.

I would think that the 'cure' for that man would be for everyone to ignore him ... surely you aren't the only repub that realizes what a scum bag he really is ...


the argument is basically, white people were bad 50 years ago... not white people's fault today that blacks are mostly the ones in prison or born into poverty... so blacks need to just forget about the past and "get over it"....

and no matter how many times you say...no one is blaming you personally... and no body is asking you to "pay for it".... it still feels to the opposite side like you are blaming them

the message is never conveyed clearly between the races...and it just ends up out of control....anybody who reads through those forums can see that...

You say that noone is asking us to pay for it or blaming us for it ... in the same thread that you say that the black man is being held back and that you feel that blacks deserve more in relation to programs (affirmative action) and money. :O


sorry, but if the blacks 50 years ago just said "well, you gotta deal with the cards you been dealt".....there would still be segregated water fountains....

when we live in a country that preaches equality, and seperation of churchand state, and melting pot and all that crap... those groups that are being oppressed need to fight for thier rights

whether is be blacks, gays, or whatever. Its not a wait, its a fight...

You are right, we live in a country that preaches equality ... unfortunately we don't have equality and never will as long as exceptions are made to accomodate minority groups that feel inherint benefits are 'owed' them.

Discussing these things could be accomplished as long as everyone is civil and we don't take things as a personal attack. I got so upset and frustrated, I walked away until I could keep from name-calling and personal attacks. It isn't easy on a very heated subject, but it is possible.

Narcissus

Eric Stoner
11-13-2008, 02:00 PM
welfare, food stamps, medacaid.... all personal things that help the individual...and in my opinion is way too easy to get.... but thats another thing

what i would like to see for a start (since you are an educator), is more black history and diversity classes taught, and taught the right way....beginning in elementry school....

the little that is being taught in schools is not being taught correctly.... stereotypes in the media need to be countered with education in the classroom. Kids should not be colering an angel black and writing "black power yo!".... and calling that thier contribution to AA history month. And the teacher has a responsibility of teaching thier students why its wrong ( true story btw, not making that up)

in my school, and most schools "European History" s required.... why is that??

and american and world history don't focus at all on blacks (except for the one chapter on slavery...and the side note on the civil rights movement lol)...its makes us look unimportant as a race and as a culture... same with hispanics and indians...

i also feel like we need more government programs focussing on helping specifically poor urban communities (which we all know i primarily black)... improving projects and making stricter requirements... i think a community service law where it is MANDATORY (yes narcisscus can quote me on that one lmao) to recieve aid...and instead of handing black people handouts and calling that "help"...help them help themselves... more parks, better schools, and more minority scholarship programs..



More government funding towards afterschool programs in poor urban communities

Enforce diversity commitees in school, because diversity is important... and i think it benifits both whites and blacks to have schools feel less segregated.... and have other views to contribute to the educational enviroment.... school is not (and should not be) just what you learn from a school book and passing tests

um, that was just me throwing out a few things "more" that should be done for them....

and yes, its not gonna happen over night.... it may not happen at all...but those are the steps and directions that i think our government needs to take...

Have you read any of the current history textbooks being used today ? Most of them are quite "multi-cultural". Who is stopping ANYONE from reading about Dubois; Marcus Garvey; Paul Robeson etc. etc. etc. etc. Or watching PBS in February ? ( I know, I know, black people got screwed by getting the shortest month. )

What is a "diversity class" ? "Heather Has 2 Mommies " ? Is that what you're talking about ?

What is wrong with requiring European History ? It's where a LOT of American history originates.

We could have EVERYTHING you advocate, and a heck of a lot more, and the difference would be minimal if any. Unless and until those poverty factors I've identified are addressed, little will change.

Btw, we have proved my initial point. That civil discourse, even of sensitive issues is both desirable and possible.

Ms. Mia Roberts
11-13-2008, 02:02 PM
^^^ when i said pay for it... i didn't mean money wise... i mean, we would all be paying for it that way...

i meant like a punishment.....

my bad...should have clarified...

BeBe
11-13-2008, 02:05 PM
WOW, what a mess of posting. That's all I see now when I look at stripperweb lately.

It's sad, I use to come to this site to be inspired, motivated, give great advice, and laugh, etc. Now, there's so much drama I have to sift through just to get to a "can you help me" post.

I'm sure it's hard to step away from these controversial talks, but it seems as if they're only centering around a handful of members. I, myself, have stepped away from these discussions. I can't let my spirit be dragged down by all of the negative posting, that's not why I joined.

Poster opinions are not even being heard anymore. We can't freely express anything without being attacked for being wrong, of course, because somebody doesn't agree. Enough!

And good luck to any of you who think about argung with this post. All I can do is pray for the confusion and the divisiveness that's come of this board. I can only hope that one day it will return to what I originally was proud to be a member of.

Regretfully,

BeBe

Ms. Mia Roberts
11-13-2008, 02:08 PM
Have you read any of the current history textbooks being used today ? Most of them are quite "multi-cultural". Who is stopping ANYONE from reading about Dubois; Marcus Garvey; Paul Robeson etc. etc. etc. etc. Or watching PBS in February ? ( I know, I know, black people got screwed by getting the shortest month. )

What is a "diversity class" ? "Heather Has 2 Mommies " ? Is that what you're talking about ?

What is wrong with requiring European History ? It's where a LOT of American history originates.

We could have EVERYTHING you advocate, and a heck of a lot more, and the difference would be minimal if any. Unless and until those poverty factors I've identified are addressed, little will change.

Btw, we have proved my initial point. That civil discourse, even of sensitive issues is both desirable and possible.

i just recently got out of hs, i'm now at a university. So yes, i know what our history books look like... thats why i gave that example

its not about stopping students from reading those books, its about requiring them to read them...like they require us to read about other cultures...

yes, thats a start. educate children about gays, blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, poor, rich.... its all relevent and the "super 7" should be taught at an early age.... children are smart....they will get it.... drill diversity into minds at a young age... and they will grow up believing racism and segragation are not okay...

i'd be willing to bet that with all that i sugessted, there would be MASSIVE CHANGE....but we will never be able to prove who is right or who is wrong till it happens....

doc-catfish
11-13-2008, 02:39 PM
this is exactly where political poo was 3 years ago and was closed.
first and for most this is STRIPPERWEB. i personally feel most of these discussions do not belong here. there are plenty of political, obama, tin foil hat discussions out there. why bring them to a stripper board? therefore possibly turning off new members/lurkers.
I would go to say that much like PP, an overwhelming majority of the mudslinging that has been going on here has been from the keyboards of a few usual suspects. Some folks just can't resist a good argument, (or even a bad one). It would seem to me that the best solution would be to cut off the bad leg(s) rather than shoot the patient.

I'd also bring up that a benefit of having the member boards, albeit an unofficial one, is to keep heated threads and fluffy ones as well, off the main boards, and have some place to dump them if they do. Unlike the front boards, the section this one sits in can be collapsed if people don't want to read it. Perhaps a retooling to make it even more hidden would be a good idea?

Eric Stoner
11-13-2008, 02:47 PM
i just recently got out of hs, i'm now at a university. So yes, i know what our history books look like... thats why i gave that example

its not about stopping students from reading those books, its about requiring them to read them...like they require us to read about other cultures...

yes, thats a start. educate children about gays, blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, poor, rich.... its all relevent and the "super 7" should be taught at an early age.... children are smart....they will get it.... drill diversity into minds at a young age... and they will grow up believing racism and segragation are not okay...

i'd be willing to bet that with all that i sugessted, there would be MASSIVE CHANGE....but we will never be able to prove who is right or who is wrong till it happens....

Personally, I think history is undertaught. No textbook is going to give adequate scope and depth so I agree that a good dose of outside reading ought to be required.

The biggest sources of bigotry are the family and the community but again I agree that exposing children to other people and other cultures is a good thing.

As for your proposals, been there, done that. Certainly not to the extent that you advocate or would prefer but we've done most of those things and by and large they have not worked.

I can prove that not having children out of wedlock; not getting married before age 21; staying out of jail and graduating high school virtually guarantee a life above the poverty line. And just having an illegitimate child means an 80% chance that BOTH mother and child will live a life in poverty. That's what the stats say REGARDLESS of race. Caribbean and African born blacks living in the U.S. do far better than native born blacks BECAUSE those social pathologies are much less prevalent. Same thing for South American immigrants as opposed to Mexican and Central American.

Asian Americans have a long history of discrimination in this country. Including LAWS designed to beat them down and keep them down. Chinese miners and railroad workers were virtual slaves in the 19th and even early 20th Century. Why have they been more successful ? Aside from modest reparations to direct victims of FDR's W.W. II Japanese American Relocation Order; where has the Affirmative Action for Asians been ? When is Asian History Month ?

miabella
11-13-2008, 02:49 PM
i always felt members should be totally unmoderated simply because you're going to have these crazed fistfights regardless of whether there's heavy or light moderation in such a 'generic topic' forum.

at this point, maybe members should go. we can post lightly political stuff in the lounge, where it will be sufficiently modded to not degenerate, and also any fluff.

Ms. Mia Roberts
11-13-2008, 02:55 PM
idk, i have only blocked one member...who i thought was absolutely racist and should be banned.... with obama next to a nazi swastica in her sig... thats just to much...and if the mods weren't gonna do anything about it... i refuse to look at anything posted by that member

otherwise.... everyone else's comments dont really phase me as much.... they are opinions and most of the of the posters on this thread (no matter how much our opinions differ) have tried to be as polite and civil as possible

velvet
11-13-2008, 03:01 PM
first the nazi sig person is banned.

second WTF SERIOUSLY . i posted about keeping it civil, toning it down and in my thread it turns into another debate/race argument. aren't there enough of those already.
if you want to talk about keeping members or not continue .if not STOP IT.

Eric Stoner
11-13-2008, 03:04 PM
What's wrong with just enforcing basic rules of civility ? No name-calling. Period.
Avoid personalizing.

A few of you are starting to come across as though you think you need "protection" from "aggressive posting". Just as your T.V. and radio enable you to change the channel, so it is here on S-web. Just switch to a different forum or if you're desperate, another site. Or shut off your computer. Read a book... watch T.V. ..... have a nice cup of tea.... go for a walk ..... take a nap..... meditate... get back to work.... play with your new puppy... or kitten

Eric Stoner
11-13-2008, 03:13 PM
first the nazi sig person is banned.

second WTF SERIOUSLY . i posted about keeping it civil, toning it down and in my thread it turns into another debate/race argument. aren't there enough of those already.
if you want to talk about keeping members or not continue .if not STOP IT.

Well we may have gotten carried away on the subject matter, but the entire thread has been totally civil and constructive. I KNEW we could do it !

bem401
11-13-2008, 05:31 PM
what i would like to see for a start (since you are an educator), is more black history and diversity classes taught, and taught the right way....beginning in elementry school....

Well, I am a math teacher so i pay very little attention to the other disciplines. I think diversity stuff is a joke. Diversity isn't a good thing. It isn't a bad thing. It just is. Focusing on how different we all are from each other clouds up how much we have in common, IMO.



i also feel like we need ... more parks, better schools, and more minority scholarship programs..


More government funding towards afterschool programs in poor urban communities

Enforce diversity commitees in school, because diversity is important... and i think it benifits both whites and blacks to have schools feel less segregated.... and have other views to contribute to the educational enviroment.... school is not (and should not be) just what you learn from a school book and passing tests

I just gave you an example of a minority scholarship program that is a waste of taxpayer dollars. All the new schools and parks that have been built in my city are already trashed with graffit and the like.

AFAIAC, school is really just a place where you learn from a book and pass tests. My job is to teach Algebra 2 and Pre-Calculus, period. Anything done beyond that is done at my discretion.

I am quite often the only white person in my classes ( though the whites are just as bad ), but the students just don't take their education seriously and don't appreciate any of the things that are done for them, and that starts at home. Too many of these kids have no positive male role models in their life and that problem starts at home too. Instead, they decide it is best to try and emulate black celebrities who act like idiots ( I'm thinking rappers and athletes here, and unfortunately the athlete they emulate is never Tiger ).

Paris
11-13-2008, 05:50 PM
What is a "diversity class" ? "Heather Has 2 Mommies " ? Is that what you're talking about ?

I'm taking a diversity class in spring called "Class, race and gender in the US economy".


What is wrong with requiring European History ? It's where a LOT of American history originates.

I have to agree that there needs to be more world history and mythology taught in US schools. It is a shame that American school children know very little of Native American lore and mythology but know a lot about Roman and Greek and Norse mythology. Heck, our kids hardly study any of the history or mythology of the people that lived in the western hemisphere before the Europeans colonized the Americas.





Btw, we have proved my initial point. That civil discourse, even of sensitive issues is both desirable and possible.

:thumbsup:

LizardQueen
11-13-2008, 05:55 PM
A few of you are starting to come across as though you think you need "protection" from "aggressive posting". Just as your T.V. and radio enable you to change the channel, so it is here on S-web. Just switch to a different forum or if you're desperate, another site. Or shut off your computer. Read a book... watch T.V. ..... have a nice cup of tea.... go for a walk ..... take a nap..... meditate... get back to work.... play with your new puppy... or kitten

rofl seriously.

Pryce
11-13-2008, 11:06 PM
We expect a certain civility through out the site, this will be enforced with points. As soon as we are able to make it technically possible, members boards will be converted into it's original intention - forums formed and operated by members. Till then, please keep it civil.

Ms. Mia Roberts
11-13-2008, 11:12 PM
Well, I am a math teacher so i pay very little attention to the other disciplines. I think diversity stuff is a joke. Diversity isn't a good thing. It isn't a bad thing. It just is. Focusing on how different we all are from each other clouds up how much we have in common, IMO.



I just gave you an example of a minority scholarship program that is a waste of taxpayer dollars. All the new schools and parks that have been built in my city are already trashed with graffit and the like.

AFAIAC, school is really just a place where you learn from a book and pass tests. My job is to teach Algebra 2 and Pre-Calculus, period. Anything done beyond that is done at my discretion.

I am quite often the only white person in my classes ( though the whites are just as bad ), but the students just don't take their education seriously and don't appreciate any of the things that are done for them, and that starts at home. Too many of these kids have no positive male role models in their life and that problem starts at home too. Instead, they decide it is best to try and emulate black celebrities who act like idiots ( I'm thinking rappers and athletes here, and unfortunately the athlete they emulate is never Tiger ).


diversity is not a joke...thas like saying peoples backgrounds and cultures are not important... that it doesn't benifit to learn from them... and that.... is bs

bem401
11-14-2008, 06:29 AM
diversity is not a joke...thas like saying peoples backgrounds and cultures are not important... that it doesn't benifit to learn from them... and that.... is bs

I am saying its not important in school and its not important in the work world. Thesae are areas where all that matters is the work you produce. It's there and we all realize it, but I think things work out better if it gets ignored, rather than celebrated, as in everyone gets treated the same. In short, equal treatment, not special treatment. If you keep pointing out one's differences, there is a temptation to use it as a crutch. Like I tell my students ( in jest ), I dislike all of you equally.

Miss_Luscious
11-14-2008, 08:59 AM
As soon as we are able to make it technically possible, members boards will be converted into it's original intention - forums formed and operated by members. Till then, please keep it civil.

I'd like to ask that you NOT do this. Before the past week's shit storm, Member Boards was pretty civil. We disagreed but we were able to debate without resorting to all the anger and name calling. I, and others I suspect, would like for Member Boards to continue in it's current form and have it moderated as needed. I like being able to come onto SW and talk about stripping and then being able to debate politics, religion and whatever else with these same people. A lot of us have been here for a long time and it's nice to be able to spar with people you've "known" for a while.

It's your website and you can do what you like but I don't think we should all be punished for the infractions of a few people over a relatively short period of time.

Ms. Mia Roberts
11-14-2008, 09:27 AM
I am saying its not important in school and its not important in the work world. Thesae are areas where all that matters is the work you produce. It's there and we all realize it, but I think things work out better if it gets ignored, rather than celebrated, as in everyone gets treated the same. In short, equal treatment, not special treatment. If you keep pointing out one's differences, there is a temptation to use it as a crutch. Like I tell my students ( in jest ), I dislike all of you equally.


thats where you are wrong. In school especially, it is NOT just about the work you produce. Children are going to learn about more than whats in a text book. Why do you think there are "life skills" classes in highschool? There are diversity classes in highschool. When someone wheres a confederate flag (and please don't debate me on if the flag is right or wrong, thats not the point), the educators have to step in and talk to students about racism and its relation to them as students in a multi-cultural enviroment. There are classes already, that i am suggesting...i just don't think they are happening soon enough. By highschool, most kids are already set in thier ways of judgement.

Just because you ignore it, does NOT mean its being ignored....

More than any other religion, I am muslim. And i'm black. I went to an episcopal school. I never used my race or religion as a crutch. I actually had to work harder so that people WOULDN'T think i was usin it as a crutch. I love hip hop dancing...but i refrained because it would be labeled "the ghetto thing to do" there. My freshman and sophomore years..... i was immeresed in stereotypes everywhere. Idk if i should even talk about the blatent racism and ignorance...

the point is, racism is in school...stereotypes are in school...ignorance is in school. No matter how young. I was 8 when i was called the n-word for the first time trying to defend another hispanic girl from racist name calling (and i got suspended for calling names). Right now, i think all educators need to take a step out of thier confort zone and tackle these issues. Don't teach them about why or how they are "different"...teach them they are each unique.... and why its okay for each individual to be unique.

Eric Stoner
11-14-2008, 10:39 AM
thats where you are wrong. In school especially, it is NOT just about the work you produce. Children are going to learn about more than whats in a text book. Why do you think there are "life skills" classes in highschool? There are diversity classes in highschool. When someone wheres a confederate flag (and please don't debate me on if the flag is right or wrong, thats not the point), the educators have to step in and talk to students about racism and its relation to them as students in a multi-cultural enviroment. There are classes already, that i am suggesting...i just don't think they are happening soon enough. By highschool, most kids are already set in thier ways of judgement.

Just because you ignore it, does NOT mean its being ignored....

More than any other religion, I am muslim. And i'm black. I went to an episcopal school. I never used my race or religion as a crutch. I actually had to work harder so that people WOULDN'T think i was usin it as a crutch. I love hip hop dancing...but i refrained because it would be labeled "the ghetto thing to do" there. My freshman and sophomore years..... i was immeresed in stereotypes everywhere. Idk if i should even talk about the blatent racism and ignorance...

the point is, racism is in school...stereotypes are in school...ignorance is in school. No matter how young. I was 8 when i was called the n-word for the first time trying to defend another hispanic girl from racist name calling (and i got suspended for calling names). Right now, i think all educators need to take a step out of thier confort zone and tackle these issues. Don't teach them about why or how they are "different"...teach them they are each unique.... and why its okay for each individual to be unique.

I'm sorry but most of what you advocate is in place. "Diversity" is taught in every major public school system. Wearing the Stars and Bars results in suspension. (The Supreme Court upheld suspending that kid in Alaska for holding up a banner saying "Bong Hits For Jesus" at a parade NOT on school time or property.) Saying the n-word and other ethnic and religious slurs is punishable and does get punished.

Here's something that is BOTH encouraging and discouraging. According to Bill Bennett, the former Secretary of Education, a recent survey of high school seniors showed that 98% knew who Rosa Parks, MLK, Jr., Harriet Tubman and Malcolm X were. But only 15% could identify George C. Marshall, Alvin York and "ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT ".

Ms. Mia Roberts
11-14-2008, 11:09 AM
I'm sorry but most of what you advocate is in place. "Diversity" is taught in very major public school system. Wearing the Stars and Bars results in suspension. (The Supreme Court upheld suspending that kid in Alaska for holding up a banner saying "Bong Hits For Jesus" at a parade NOT on school time or property.) Saying the n-word and other ethnic and religious slurs is punishable and does get punished.

Here's something that is BOTH encouraging and discouraging. According to Bill Bennett, the former Secretary of Education, a recent survey of high school seniors showed that 98% knew who Rosa Parks, MLK, Jr., Harriet Tubman and Malcolm X were. But only 15% could identify George C. Marshall, Alvin York and "ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT ".

you aren't understanding what i am saying... about schools and diversity. I refuse to repeat myself. Just read through it again.

and that second paragraph does nothing for me... you can know who they are and not know much about them. And those names of black historical figures have became mainstream... you see them on tv.... most students still don't know the history acuretly enough. Its like asking who has heard of george washington, christopher columbus, thomas jefferson, and paul revere was. Had they asked of those names...they would have got 98 percent too..

and i went to a school that prides itself with offering on of the top educations in the state... and i had a senior classmate who asked me if mlk jr. had anything to do with the civil rights movement :O .... and yet she would have been in the 98 percent that "knew" about him...

Eric Stoner
11-14-2008, 02:16 PM
you aren't understanding what i am saying... about schools and diversity. I refuse to repeat myself. Just read through it again.

and that second paragraph does nothing for me... you can know who they are and not know much about them. And those names of black historical figures have became mainstream... you see them on tv.... most students still don't know the history acuretly enough. Its like asking who has heard of george washington, christopher columbus, thomas jefferson, and paul revere was. Had they asked of those names...they would have got 98 percent too..

and i went to a school that prides itself with offering on of the top educations in the state... and i had a senior classmate who asked me if mlk jr. had anything to do with the civil rights movement :O .... and yet she would have been in the 98 percent that "knew" about him...

Yep. Somewhere along the line you lost me.

As for the last sentence of your 2d paragraph; you'd be amazed how historically ignorant most high schoolers are. Geographically too.

bem401
11-15-2008, 11:34 AM
. Why do you think there are "life skills" classes in highschool?

There are life skills classes in high school because parents, particularly in the inner-city, of all races, have dropped the ball big-time on being parents. As evidence of this I offer the fact that we offer 4 open houses a year for parents to meet the faculty, yet I never meet the parents of 95% of my students.

As far as the diversity/racism issue is concerned, I respectfully disagree with you. The time is better spent focusing on the things people have in common rather than where they differ. No matter how many diversity classes you offer, idiots will still be idiots. I don't think it will end white supremacy stuff or the preachings of Wright or Farrakhan.

As far as using race/ethnicity as a crutch is concerned, students tend to use that whenever they are unhappy with my treatment of them. I get " you're picking on me because I'm Black" or "you're picking on me because I'm Spanish". Where do kids learn this if not at home. If something is not to your liking, blame the white guy in charge. In all fairness, though, I have also been accused of picking on students because the're white as well, though that happened just once ( I couldn't stop laughing ).

threlayer
11-17-2008, 02:41 PM
Oddly the heated political discussions seem to come up about every four years, peaking in "leap year". Therefore I think it is that additional 'leap' day in February that throws everyone's civil discussion off.

Anyone want to debate that? ;)

thelovelylenee
11-17-2008, 02:56 PM
leap years killed my dog and ruined my life ....lol sorry threlayer i had to :P