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pierrepaul
03-04-2009, 10:10 AM
What I've seen at the clubs I go to is a drop in attendance, and my regular dancer makes sure I'm satisfied by the end of the session.

Earl_the_Pearl
03-05-2009, 12:08 PM
Times are getting harder and it is getting cheaper to get hard. ;)

GeorgeBailey
03-08-2009, 08:31 AM
On my last visit to my favorite a club I could see a pretty significant change in the behavior of one dancer in particular. She's one that I generally get 2-3 dances from whenever I come in, but don't make a significant investment in. When she sat with me, she pretty much gave me a continuous handshake as we talked. She continued that in the LD room while we waited for our song to begin and, when the room emptied (still before our dance officially began) she proceeded to put her face in my lap and chew on Willy through my pants. The actual dance really wasn't that different from previous efforts.

She'd never been this aggressive previous to last week.

minnow
03-08-2009, 11:24 AM
Recent visit to 2 different clubs: Club #1- a dancer who is normally tied down at great lengths in VIP was immediately available for several dances. Towards the end of my visit, she approached me for more dances, which I gladly accepted. All was not well, though, as there was noticably more "hitting up for more after dance tips" by a couple of other dancers.
Club B- A dancer who had previously "only did VIP's" happily did some multiple regular topless dances for me.// FWIW.

SeppeSai
03-08-2009, 06:20 PM
I do not think they have cut their share of the VIP rooms, but I hear a lot of the girls have taken it on themselves to offer more contact for a lower price than used to be the practice.
I have the opposite experience.

At the end of our time together, the ATF became a virtual air dancing machine even though the dance prices had gone up. In previous years, she gave me pretty good and close dances with minimal extras for a fair price.

This was one (small) reason why I decided to move on to other things.

bem401
03-09-2009, 09:03 AM
I have the opposite experience.

At the end of our time together, the ATF became a virtual air dancing machine even though the dance prices had gone up. In previous years, she gave me pretty good and close dances with minimal extras for a fair price.

This was one (small) reason why I decided to move on to other things.

Seppe - my observation was a more general one. I was speaking of girls throughout the club with other customers on a day to day basis.

If anything, my personal experience mirrors yours when dealing with any of my favorites, very few of whom gave very extra-laden dances to begin with. I don't think this has anything to do with dance prices or changes in the economy however.

yoda57us
03-09-2009, 03:02 PM
I have the opposite experience.

At the end of our time together, the ATF became a virtual air dancing machine even though the dance prices had gone up. In previous years, she gave me pretty good and close dances with minimal extras for a fair price.

This was one (small) reason why I decided to move on to other things.

I see this as more a sign that you were being taken advantage of by your former ATF, not a sign of current economic trends.

Most of my favs are decidedly low mileage and that has not changed. What is more common with these ladies is giving more face/dance time for the same amount of money. On a slow afternoon I have recently spent as much as two hours in a private dance booth of one club for the price of about ten dances. Of course this only works in the parts of the club where management doesn't charge rental for the space!

SeppeSai
03-09-2009, 04:14 PM
I see this as more a sign that you were being taken advantage of by your former ATF, not a sign of current economic trends.

If she let me be close to her when the dances were low-priced, how is she taking advantage of me by air dancing at the higher price? I don't understand.

hockeybobby
03-09-2009, 04:16 PM
If you value high mileage, then you might feel taken advantage of, if she is giving you less of it, but charging you more. *shrugs*

yoda57us
03-09-2009, 05:11 PM
If she let me be close to her when the dances were low-priced, how is she taking advantage of me by air dancing at the higher price? I don't understand.

Because she has reeled you in...She doesn't THINK she has to put out to get your money anymore. Understand one thing: Dancers don't LIKE contact or getting groped, they do it for money. Some dancers, once they think they have a mark, will do as little as possible when dancing for him and save the hardcore stuff for reeling in new customers.

It has happened to me more than once and each time I eventually did what you did...moved on.

Liar
03-22-2009, 02:52 AM
Once you have moved on it is fun to let them try reel you in again. 8)

Jake39
07-30-2009, 10:21 PM
Contact levels are up and VIP extras are at bargain levels. My club is extras friendly and gals who don't do extras don't survive there very long. I will take two dances tops to evaluate her then make her offer for what I want. If no deal, then back out on floor to get another girl and then usually that one will work out. In a non extras club, I will only spend $40 per hour on dances going after high mileage gals who will take time to sit with me and where there is lots opportunity for me to enjoy them for free. Those gals are there, I simply cull out the hustlers during the course of the evening.

Many girls are not making much money and being forced out by the gals who will do extras at the new, lower market prices. The recession has forced much lower earnings for dancers. SC money is not money people need for food, shelter, utilities, and other necessry expneses. Consequently, this puts the big spneder in the drivers seat as to what girl he can select. It is a good time for customers to negotiate a deal to their advantage. Some dancers are offering discounted dances vs the other girls and they are getting more business. One told me her dances would be $10 instead of $20 vs the other girls - "dont tell them" she said. I negotiated 12 dances with her for $100. While we were doing this she got lots of jealous stares from the other girls I guess wondering what they were doing wrong. Little did they know she was undercutting their prices big time. She told me she gave a dance to a guy for $4.56 bc thats all he had. I laughed and said "at least that will pay for Jack n the Box." Dom, a neighbor of mine limits his SC tab to $5 bc he is unemployed and just recently defaulted on his cc debt. He does wear his best clothes to SC though. I didn't know you could stretch such a small sum in a SC, but thats Dom. He says US SC and Sex Industry prices will eventually come down to what Mexico is. Othewise "Dey will need to find husband" he says. He has asked me if I have picked one out for my next wife and I said "Well I have narrowed it down to 3."

xdamage
07-31-2009, 07:09 AM
^^^

SCs are changing for multiple reasons. Decreased social stigma leading to more women then ever before wanting to dance. Crappy economy. A society that has become increasingly numb to seeing porn. Increasing tolerance and exposure to showing more skin in public. A younger generation who is increasingly sexually liberal and will see less reason to pay just to look. A general trend to be more accepting of prostitution as it becomes increasingly legalized in multiple countries. And more. Unfortunately for the SC industry all of these factors are contributors to lower income for exotic dancers (those who want to dance, not prostitute).

The other problem is that younger women can enter the business at 18, as well as enter from poorer countries where the social standards regarding prostitution are different then in the USA. Often far too young to remember the golden era of stripping, they aren't starting with the same assumptions about how much contact is too much. Each new generation is willing to push the limits farther to make money, and yea, as predicted by several of us, you're increasingly going to see new dancers offering LDs for less then $20.

Oh, and having spent some time with college aged boys this last weekend, turns out it is just sort of general knowledge among them that strippers will do more for less if they reverse hustle. Again, welcome to social changes; there are always trade offs.

I guess we will see what happens but there is a down side as well. The SC experience is not quite the gem it use to be. There was a time when extras were rare, the women in the business relatively few but smokin hot, and really good at teasing. There is a lot of quantity now, but the quality is being traded.

SeppeSai
07-31-2009, 07:51 AM
Since posting in January, the ATF and I have gone through immense drama. I don't go to see her anymore, but we've kept in contact. She's had a bit of a pinch here and there.

A favorite I've known almost as long as the ATF told me the other day that her club was dead and no one was coming in. She's fretted about that quite a bit. As much as I'd like to see her, I don't have the $$ to support the visiting.

Smokeless
08-01-2009, 11:20 AM
One of the clubs I frequent ... the older one ... is really dead. I've been a couple times looking for a friend who disappeared from another club. Each time I can't leave quick enough. The energy is just really negative. One night there were a bunch of youngsters having what looked like a bachelor party. The center of attention looked drugged or like a very sad drunk. He wasn't having any fun at all. The other guys were amused, and the gals were trying to suck as many dollar bills out of the "crowd" as possible, since there weren't any LDs to be had.

The younger club ... fresh, energetic, edgy, and classy ... saw its business slow significantly when it converted from an all-nude, after-hours juice/byob bar to a full bar with liquor license but no after-hours action. The conversion happened to coincide with the worst of the economic downturn. Management had hired too many dancers, anticipating more business because of the liquor. But the economy and their late/after-hours bread-and-butter dried up. They since have intensified their marketing. (The controversy with the City of Boulder was a large part of their marketing. It too died when they got their liquor license.) With the new marketing and the economy returning, business has improved. There was a nice buzz in the joint when I visited last Thursday about 10:30pm.

I can't survey all the area clubs (sorry, I'd like to), but I did get to Denver a couple Saturdays ago to see an old favorite who's moved to Diamond for the ease of commute and the money. She said money is up-and-down. But I noticed the place was packed. Maybe 85% "vacancy" rate and LD central was about 70% full at 11:30pm. It's a really classy club with smoking (which I dislike), cigar bar, VIP, and a good steak restaurant. I only visited to catch up with my friend.

Bottom line: In my sample (N=3), some improvement, but it depends on marketing and environment. If you can get the same $20 or $25 LD at a classy joint, the upwardly mobile go there. The run down, older, not-so-fancy joints that depend on their largely blue collar clientele are still stuggling.

Jake39
08-01-2009, 09:47 PM
Clubs are starting to do innovative things to spur customer interest. When I went to my club this afternon for a much needed CR session with my gal, they were putting up ballons (made me think of rubbers) and a blow up pool in the main dance area. She told me that they were gonna have a pudding girl fight / wrestling in the blow up pool. She was wearing her schoolgirl (dancer) outfit and playing with MR H (one of her specialties). We then went to the CR room (upstairs VIP is closed for cleaning on Sat until nite shift) which is behind the stage for our usual....About an hour and $200 later I was out of there (and satisfied) but departing looking at the other gals wondering what delights they offer. I like banna pudding and watching girl wrestling and licking it off of them mite be fun. There is something about feisty gals that makes me really horny....but is pudding really good with stripper hair, sweat, and bodily fluid in it? I know I like tabasco on squirrel but what say ye on the pudding? How would u know its only her fluids in it?

xdamage
08-02-2009, 12:40 PM
Jake, you're SC has basically turned into an underground brothel. That is not exactly shocking given the trends we all knew were coming and have said for a few years are increasingly coming, but OTOH it's why I wish they'd just clearly legalize brothels. Not everyone goes to SCs to fuck, suck, get jerked off by some random stranger. And I don't mean it negatively. It's fine, just it is not a war either.

The dancers who want to strip/tease and not have sex are hurt by the lack of boundaries, and there is a downside to the lack of dividing lines.

You don't see it but increasingly we guys who don't go to get laid can't go to a SC to have a safe night out, or can't go without lying about it. The more they become like brothels, the less those who men want to go out and have some fun without fucking can't. Our S.O.s won't believe it is just a fantasy if the reality is clearly otherwise.

Earl_the_Pearl
08-02-2009, 12:50 PM
The dancers who want to strip/tease and not have sex are hurt by the lack of boundaries, and there is a downside to the lack of dividing lines.
I know of clubs that are totally 100% extra free; they are few and far between. Not many dancers can get work there. If that is what PLs and dancers wanted there would be more of them.

xdamage
08-02-2009, 01:13 PM
I know of clubs that are totally 100% extra free; they are few and far between. Not many dancers can get work there. If that is what PLs and dancers wanted there would be more of them.


Just go back and read my old posts EtP... I got beat up by several dancers here for predicting multiple social and economic changes that would lead to many S.C.s increasingly becoming brothels. I can face reality head-on as well as the next person. Still, I liked the older SCs where there were clear dividing lines.

FBR
08-02-2009, 06:04 PM
Miss D has stopped calling or texting me. Probably not a good decision long term for her but I understand she needs immediate money. I see improvement coming in the 4th quarter. By then I will have forgotten her and she, me, Sad considering all the TR's but folks make choices.

FBR

Smokeless
08-02-2009, 11:35 PM
You don't see it but increasingly we guys who don't go to get laid can't go to a SC to have a safe night out, or can't go without lying about it. The more they become like brothels, the less those who men want to go out and have some fun without fucking can't. Our S.O.s won't believe it is just a fantasy if the reality is clearly otherwise.

Agreed, xd.

Nonetheless, I believe the extras depend on the geography. Most of the reports seem to be coming from the coasts. I won't say that things aren't a bit racy here in the heartland, but LD and VIP areas are too open and quite often patrolled -- too often, actually -- to allow many extras.

I did get propositioned for OTC extras recently, but was shocked and refused. (Not that I'm such a good boy. Jail bait, this gal, you know.)

Earl_the_Pearl
08-02-2009, 11:44 PM
(Not that I'm such a good boy. Jail bait, this gal, you know.)

~~~:-X~~~

miabella
08-03-2009, 01:05 AM
the local lusty lady (peepshow) is behind on rent, but raising prices. some of the local girls are v. worried about how to get income if it ultimately shuts down (since this is all the strippers who work there because contact is, like, anathema-- and also because the lusty lady is more...open-ended about what you have to look like to get hired.)

i do not keep up with the local stripclub scene as much (i just have friends working at the lusty), but there is more private party stuff happening among dancers who actually work in the clubs (this is 2ndhand from the lusty girls).

i don't know if the seattle girls are still overrunning portland clubs-- there were some complaints along those lines a year or so ago from a very few portland dancers.

xdamage
08-03-2009, 07:26 AM
Nonetheless, I believe the extras depend on the geography. Most of the reports seem to be coming from the coasts. I won't say that things aren't a bit racy here in the heartland, but LD and VIP areas are too open and quite often patrolled -- too often, actually -- to allow many extras.

I think you are right about that pattern; we generally see more liberal thinking and behaviors appear first in states near the coasts.

The not so great thing was even my S.O. didn't love it when we went to SCs but tolerated it on occasion when it was clearly just a stage show. If once every year or two the guys wanted to go out drinking and see strippers it was never totally cool, but there was no question what it was either.

So like imagine your S.O. says "I want to go with my GFs to see the Chippendales show" I think many (if not most?) of us would be fine, have fun and even hope to reap some hotness reward later ;) It's safe fun and as long as it is not an obsession, what is the problem?

But imagine we heard repeatedly that Chippendale shows are not just shows, that the women routinely engage in oral sex with the male dancers, or touch their cocks for cheap thrills, that there is a private area where sex and sexual services are routinely offered? Does that change things?

Of course who knows. Maybe if these shows did/do offer sexual services their revenues would go up while the S.O. approval level would still go down.

Smokeless
08-12-2009, 08:06 PM
^^^ Most likely, yes. The SO approval level would indeed drop.

Jake39
08-13-2009, 06:21 PM
I think a lot of them really don't have a clue about how tight money really is. I have heard of clubs shutting down though.