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pixierocksonthepole
11-29-2008, 01:36 PM
I know that some customers lie. I was not saying that they don't. There are men on this board who admit and justify paying dancers for conversation and also admit that they have never had the courage to ask a dancer out on a date (which would imply that they wanted to). This seems like an ideal place to post the link here. I was not trying to insult or degrade anyone. I can't blame dancers for taking money from customers who spend money on them while hoping to get a real friendship/relationship out of it (as long as the dancers are not lying). I was trying to have an interesting discussion.
Then post it in the proper area because over here is really the wrong place. Why would you post it for the dancers to see? Makes no sense whatsoever. You don't have to try, you just do it. There is nothing intresting about that page. It is just wrong.
mediocrity
11-29-2008, 03:15 PM
I have had wonderful times in strip clubs at very reasonable prices. Not only do I think that my behavior gets me on the "good side" of strippers (sometimes), it also helps me avoid strippers who try to get me to spend large amounts of money on them while getting nothing in return.
I thought about what you wrote about dancers spending time with me in order to appear to other customers like they are in demand. I don't think that has happened to me more than a few times at most, if at all.
are the "customer oriented websites" that you are referring to the ones about extras and sexual services? I can read websites like those but I already know how to get what I need at a reasonable price.
You're an idiot. Give it a rest dude.
Earl_the_Pearl
11-29-2008, 03:23 PM
Then post it in the proper area because over here is really the wrong place. Why would you post it for the dancers to see?
The BLUE area is for this type of thread. Blue is kept on a short leash with a spiked collar in the Pink area. If a Pink is offended by the smell of the "he man women hating club" ::) she does not have to open the door.
Use the Blue area for what it is, PLs talking honestly for the most part and learn from it as I do lurking in Pink. Keep your friends close and your adversaries closer.
As for the topic of this thread there are physiological factors that can be used in any human interaction.
yoda57us
11-29-2008, 05:54 PM
Then post it in the proper area because over here is really the wrong place. Why would you post it for the dancers to see? Makes no sense whatsoever. You don't have to try, you just do it. There is nothing intresting about that page. It is just wrong.
Um, excuse me but, for better or worse, this IS the proper area.
SassyPants
11-29-2008, 06:52 PM
are the "customer oriented websites" that you are referring to the ones about extras and sexual services? I can read websites like those but I already know how to get what I need at a reasonable price.
I was referring to hobbyist sites, yes. But I have to ask you one more thing: If you already know how to get what you want at a reasonable price, then why do you create threads here that ask questions pertaining to getting extras for a reasonable price!? It hurts my brain!
And I'm glad there's a blue side. Thanks for letting me participate in your discussions :)
Bob_Loblaw
11-29-2008, 06:55 PM
You're an idiot. Give it a rest dude.
*snicker* I don't know why you have such disdain for him. Especially when all the girls in the club love him.
yoda57us
11-29-2008, 08:37 PM
I was referring to hobbyist sites, yes. But I have to ask you one more thing: If you already know how to get what you want at a reasonable price, then why do you create threads here that ask questions pertaining to getting extras for a reasonable price!? It hurts my brain!
Well, some occurrences simply defy logic...
And I'm glad there's a blue side. Thanks for letting me participate in your discussions :)
:hat:
Smokeless
11-29-2008, 10:28 PM
If you already know how to get what you want at a reasonable price, then why do you create threads here that ask questions pertaining to getting extras for a reasonable price!? It hurts my brain!
Hurts my head, too, Sassy! Hurts my eyes, too. I've got eyestrain from reading this thread and nothing to gain from it, other than a few chuckles at abcd's expense.
pixierocksonthepole
11-30-2008, 03:20 AM
Um, excuse me but, for better or worse, this IS the proper area.
Yes, so proper, because the dancers would love to leanr how to date ...dancers.
Totally makes sense.
:-X
yoda57us
11-30-2008, 05:16 AM
Yes, so proper, because the dancers would love to leanr how to date ...dancers.
Totally makes sense.
:-X
This is the customer forum pixie. No one rally cares if you want to come here and read the stuff but, on the other hand, nobody really cares if you don't.
Dancers who come to blue and read these threads run the same risk as customers who venture into "Hustle Hut" on the pink side. You might read some things you don't want to read but they were never intended to be read by you.
Unless you are color blind it's pretty freekin' simple: Don't read the blue threads if you don't want to know what customers, the guys who help you put food on your table and a roof over your head, are saying. It's not quite TUSCL or SCL down here but it's not "Ladies Only" either. You can say whatever you want down here but to say that the customer's comments don't belong here is pretty damn foolish.
JoeUnCool
11-30-2008, 08:23 AM
Any woman who has sex for money IS AN ESCORT abcd, and you're deluding yourself if you think that a stripper who has sex OTC has few partners. Granted she wouldn't have as many as an actual escort, but she'd be putting out FOR EVERY SINGLE MAN WHO OFFERED THE RIGHT PRICE.
If your a stripper EVERY SINGLE THING YOU DO WITH CLUB MEN IS ABOUT THE MONEY, pure and simple.
We agree on both of those statements.
And JOC "anything that gives a stripper an advantage over a customer is bad", that just makes you sound like a pervert. One of those PL's that wave their $50 around and ask "so what else do I get for my money?". Answer - Fuck all, we take your money and that's the only way your getting screwed by a stripper ever.
You obviously have a bad attitude and are trying to create conflict like the troll you are.
SassyPants
11-30-2008, 08:31 AM
Regarding the "hobbyist sites" - I was thinking about the "common" and "end result" sexual services (examples may be too graphic to post). Many of the posters on various websites pay too much for those kinds of services. I forgot about the "foreplay" types of services.
Like others have written - the blue site is the place to discuss such things.
You can ask me questions if you want to. I don't mind (if there is something I don't want to answer then I won't answer). Sexual topics are a part of the beauty of this forum.
By the way, have you seen this thread:
www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=127920 (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=127920)
I hope you post something there
a to the b to the c to the d, you still confuse me. I don't know what all this jibber jabber about common, end result and foreplay services is about. If people on OTHER sites are paying too much for such services (and I am chuckling) then why not show THEM the way? I haven't seen much from the dudes on SW that show what you have to contribute matters to them (and I mean this in the nicest way possible).
Just so we make this clear - some guys WANT to pay a lot more than you would pay because to them, it is what the service is worth. If I were a duder, and I wanted a handjob, I would expect to pay a lot if I wanted it from a beautiful, charming girl rather than an average, boring girl. Do you not care about the "whole package" - just as long as someone's giving you a "sexual service" (hypothethically speaking, of course)? I'm just trying to figure out your character, really. Do you look for instant gratification or do you perfer somewhat of a "girlfriend experience"?
yoda57us
11-30-2008, 10:23 AM
true, but there is something to be said about satisfying your lust in a sc/OTC.
Word.
converesly, men who place a premium on this type of interaction with strippers sometimes assume the experience is somehow more "real" or less of a business transaction than with an escort. which may not be the case at all.
I agree but I think that there is a component of perceived value for some guys who pay for sex. I've had both good and bad experiences with paying for sex from strippers, escorts, streetwalkers and AMP girls. It's the singer not the song that matters. The entire concept of low volume vs. high volume and weather or not a guy can tell the difference is rather comical. All we can really tell is weather we enjoyed the experience or not. If one wants to assume that the girl you just paid to fuck you is "selective" well that's just fine and dandy but the truth is non of us really knows nor should we care as long as we feel that we are getting our money's worth and enjoy the time spent.
Golden_Rule
11-30-2008, 11:09 AM
You might satisfy your LUST at a stripclub. But you will not satisfy your LIFE.
If you use it as a replacement for other things like a living relationship, family, etc, you are certainly correct.
As I have stated many times though, there is a place for this as there is a place for most things in life.
As a condiment to make life more savory I think it can enhance a life.
You can't live off it though. Just like you couldn't live a healthy life existing on mustard, ketchup, salt and pepper. :)
Golden_Rule
11-30-2008, 11:17 AM
So, a topic about dating dancers is questionable?....on a website where men admit (and justify) paying dancers for conversation?
For the record...
Not this man.
I pay dancers a fair price for many things. Conversation isn't one of them.
Conversely, I don't allow them to waste their time on me and I am very politely upfront about whether I am spending or not at the moment so it is their informed choice as to whether to hang out and chat or not. Many who know me, who aren't busy with other things, do precisely that until such time as they are busy with other things. :)
If they choose to stay and chat than the exchange is company for company, chat for chat. Said exchange made of their own free will and volition.
I pay dancers, as I have stated, to forgo other things of value - like my time and company which certainly has as much value as anyone else's - in exchange for things that have social value, like sex for instance, when I am unwanting or unwilling to provide the rate of exchange prevailing on the social market for such things [like in the case of sex, some sort of emotionally supportive relationship]. When I ask them to forgo such social encumbrances I certainly pay. It's only fair.
I can't help it but I truly feel, and please forgive me for offending anyone if it does so, that it is the height of PL'dom to think your company so unworthy as to have to pay someone to converse with you.
Golden_Rule
11-30-2008, 11:24 AM
converesly, men who place a premium on this type of interaction with strippers sometimes assume the experience is somehow more "real" or less of a business transaction than with an escort. which may not be the case at all.
Very true, but only if one falls for their own BS.
I may lie to others [I do attempt to keep it to omission only], but I try very hard never to lie to myself. Just not healthy, mentally or otherwise. :)
I always remember its still a commercial enterprise even while enjoying the frequently enhanced benefit of using these means over simply contracting the services of more 'professional' women.
Golden_Rule
11-30-2008, 11:44 AM
I agree but I think that there is a component of perceived value for some guys who pay for sex. I've had both good and bad experiences with paying for sex from strippers, escorts, streetwalkers and AMP girls. It's the singer not the song that matters. The entire concept of low volume vs. high volume and weather or not a guy can tell the difference is rather comical. All we can really tell is weather we enjoyed the experience or not. If one wants to assume that the girl you just paid to fuck you is "selective" well that's just fine and dandy but the truth is non of us really knows nor should we care as long as we feel that we are getting our money's worth and enjoy the time spent.
I think we may be talking past the point I am coming from with my take on this.
You seem to be discussing the physical act. In that case I agree. There is no difference between a woman who sees eight guys a day and one that sees three a week IF the act is equally proficient in scope and detail.
What I am talking about is attitude. A mental state that can be perceived by anyone with a halfway decent antenna for what's going on inside a person you are sharing time with. Especially that up close and personal.
I can usually tell, and if you want to test me sometime by setting up a sex session with two women - one a high volume provider and the other low - which is which.
Because people are people the average woman is NOT going to be unaffected by having sex with five to eight people a day. Its going to impact their mental outlook and in return effect their interaction mentally with the client.
A low volume provider, especially one who doesn't think of herself as a provider, is going to interact differently with her clients because she can. There is latitude available to her because the stress on her mental health and well being simply isn't that of the average high volume provider. She has space to allow access to parts of her psyche the high volume provider has to shut off from her clients simply for her own well being.
So, again, when speaking about physical acts there is much room for you and I to agree. When dealing with the mental aspect of this thing of ours though, I have to argue that seeing low volume providers, especially when they don't see themselves as providers, allows for a better chance of you experiencing the woman putting more of herself into it than simply her body.
Something a truly commercial provider couldn't do out of the common sense of having to guard herself from the effect of the sheer numbers she's seeing.
safado
11-30-2008, 12:08 PM
I can usually tell, and if you want to test me sometime by setting up a sex session with two women - one a high volume provider and the other low - which is which.
Because people are people the average woman is NOT going to be unaffected by having sex with five to eight people a day. Its going to impact their mental outlook and in return effect their interaction mentally with the client.
I am confused, I always thought that a hooker who had up to eight clients a day was a low volume provider.
yoda57us
11-30-2008, 12:21 PM
I understand what you are saying GR but, as I have said more than once, I have had very similar experiences with many, not all, escorts.
I spent almost three days in Atlantic City last summer with my ATF escort gal. We enjoyed each others company immensely and are already planning our next trip together during my next slow season. What did she charge me for this? Roughly the equivalent of four hours of her time at her regular GFE rate. Why? Because we enjoy each other and we have fun together. Yes the sex is great too but if you are going to spend a weekend together you better have more to do than boink. She doesn't even do overnights ordinarily as she doesn't feel comfortable sleeping in the same room much less the same bed as a client.
You and I are thinking along the same lines weather you realize it or not. We are both selective as are the women that we enjoy being with. Every escort I have seen over the last twenty some odd years has not been like the girl I am talking about here. Indeed most haven't. By the same token they don't all have cash registers inserted in their vaginas, daily quotas and a gross of condoms in their night stands. Yes, some do, most of the ones I've seen do not. Honestly what you will find out there depends quite a bit on where you shop and how much you are willing to spend.
I don't doubt that you have had similar great times with the strippers that you have dated for money. I don't for one second believe however that they are seeing things any differently than the ladies I prefer are. And that's just as it should be by the way. Girls who sell sex out of a keen sense of entrepreneurial spirit rather than out of desperation are all cut from the same pragmatic cloth...and thank goodness that they are!
Prostitution takes on many forms. There are low volume girls and high volume girls. Your assessments of what a "commercial provider" is are accurate in some cases, not all.
I don't honestly expect you to change you mind about any of this GR. You and I both realize one simple truth about the sex industry however. You have to pay for what you want. It's much more interesting arguing these nuances with you than it is trying to fathom some of the other idiocy that goes on here...
yoda57us
11-30-2008, 12:22 PM
I am confused, I always thought that a hooker who had up to eight clients a day was a low volume provider.
I don't know any actual low volume ladies that would agree with you...
safado
11-30-2008, 12:42 PM
I don't know any actual low volume ladies that would agree with you...
Out of curiosity what is considered low volume?
JoeUnCool
11-30-2008, 03:07 PM
Yoda, I believe that you and I are very similar in what we look for. You are looking for more than a sex provider. I'm looking for more than a dancer that can entertain me. We've both had some lower quality girls, but we're looking for something a little bit better. We tend to have connections with girls that do more than "just their job." It sounds like we're both willing to pay for that feature in a woman.
As for the original subject, well, this is getting way off topic. :)
yoda57us
11-30-2008, 03:29 PM
Out of curiosity what is considered low volume?
You can ask that question to ten girls and get ten different answers but none of them will be "8 guys a day". That is most definitely a high volume lady.
Girls who work for agencies tend to be higher volume since they work a set schedule and generally have to see whomever calls to book with them. An agency that books half hour appointments might book as many as three to five appointments from late morning to mid afternoon and then a few more arond five to 6pm. This is prime time during the week. The more civilized agencies only book hours and make sure the girl gets a 30 minute break between.
My ATF was an agency girl when I met her and she averaged two to four appointments a day but only worked one full day and one half day a week. My other fav down in South Jersey only sees one appointment a day and usually only two or three days a week. Most indoes tend to see fewer guys a day though they will be available four or five days a week.
Really there are so many possibilites that it is very much open to interpratation. There are guys who care about this stuff and guys who don't. That's why I understand GR's preference even though I don't neccesarily agree with all of his assumptions.
yoda57us
11-30-2008, 03:38 PM
Yoda, I believe that you and I are very similar in what we look for. You are looking for more than a sex provider. I'm looking for more than a dancer that can entertain me. We've both had some lower quality girls, but we're looking for something a little bit better. We tend to have connections with girls that do more than "just their job." It sounds like we're both willing to pay for that feature in a woman.
Well, I don't do lower quality strippers since I simply don't spend time with a girl who doesn't appeal to me. As far as escorts go it's really a matter of choice. I have two very cool regular ladies but once in a while, mostly when I'm traveling, I will call an agency and just book an hour with the hottest girl on the schedule. She may or may not turn out to be the best performer or a future regular but an hour of sex is an hour of sex. It's always going to be better than an hour in the dentist's chair.
But yes, over all I tend to cultivate regular relationships with ladies that I enjoy seeing for reasons beyond the business they are in. I find that treating them well with respect to helping their income serves me much better in the long run than penny pinching.
doc-catfish
11-30-2008, 04:32 PM
If there's anything to be learned from this thread its that we all have differing motivations when we go to do business with our sex worker of choice.
I mean if a guy like abcd goes to clubs to try to get the most amount of mileage he can for the least amount of money, gets what he came for, and has no qualms about how his providers feel about his penny pinching, then hey, who are we to tell him that he's wrong? I didn't make his paycheck, so its none of my business.
And lets face it, for the great majority of us, there are thresholds where a rise in price and/or lowering in mileage will probably push us to the point where we won't buy.
Just the same, I wish the penny pinching crowd would cut those of us who are willing to pay more (more as in the dancer/escorts quoted price, not through the nose) and expect nothing special in return (I buy a lap dance and get a lap dance for it, etc.) some slack and realize that bargaining isn't part of our MO, because trying to get what we want for a lesser price does not do anything to enhance the experience.
I've got the rest of my waking hours to pinch pennies. Going to a SC/private party is my time to let my inner miser take a break for a couple of hours. I'd rather put down a little more money and have our provider think a little better of me, in case I had a good time, and want to come back.
yoda57us
11-30-2008, 06:16 PM
Let's see what kind of responses this brings.
Well, I don't pay for conversation as a general rule either but that is because I pay generously for dances. The conversation, before or after, is part of the package.
The thing is you are not really paying for conversation, you are paying the dancer for her time and simply not choosing to do it by buying dances. Some guys do this though it is beyond me why they wouldn't just buy dances...
With all the threads that get generated about this topic and all of the pink side talk about how frequent it is I find it amazing that no dancer that I spend money on has ever asked me for MORE money to sit with me for half the afternoon before we hit the dance booth.
SassyPants
12-01-2008, 12:50 AM
yoda, I've only been in the SC business for a little under two years, but I am more than confident that the ladies on SW are not your average bear. For real, there are strippers who don't care about the art or form of entertaining, they just do it because they are young and "sexy" and can get away with it. I do believe that most, if not all, of the pink side are incredibly passionate about their jobs and want to make the most of it. Therefore, we will go the extra mile to make sure we get paid for any and all services we provide.
If any lady you've conversated with hasn't asked for money for her time, it's only because she either doesn't have the guts or the smarts to ask for it.
All I'm saying is, if a guy requests my attention without an obvious attempt to buy dances (i.e. I ask him if he wants to go to "my office" and he rejects AFTER he calls me over to his table) then a tip for his request + time spent is expected. I wouldn't expect a dude to tip me if i just plopped down in a sit next to him...
also, some guys perfer to just have a friendly chat. It's not really about sex for them, but about attention. Everyone has different definitions for what "attention" means. That's why strippers are so versitile and awesome - most of us will accomonidate those sorts of needs.
forgive the misspellings, i r drunk. YAY SUNDAYS!
yoda57us
12-01-2008, 05:21 AM
Well for the most part SP I agree with what you are saying. Now, I wouldn't waste a lady's time in a strip club and I never have. Lol, I'm willing to bet that I've been going to strip clubs and spending money on dancers since before you were born. In the days before private dances most dancers in most clubs spent their time off stage either hustling drinks if the club had a drink hustle or sitting in the dressing room as there was generally no money to be made on the floor between sets. If you wanted to get a dancer out of the dressing room and into a chair sitting next to you it was only a matter of sending the waitress back there with the offer of buying her a drink. I'm not saying no one ever got tipped for sitting with a guy but generally it was considered an investment in getting the guy to tip at the stage.
I'm not saying that a dancer should not get compensated for her time and I pretty much agree with the criteria that you laid out in your post. I can pretty much guarantee you that non of my favs are afraid to ask a guy for money if all he wants is conversation. I'm just not one of those guys.
(whispers) How's your head this morning?
Golden_Rule
12-01-2008, 10:23 AM
All I'm saying is, if a guy requests my attention without an obvious attempt to buy dances (i.e. I ask him if he wants to go to "my office" and he rejects AFTER he calls me over to his table) then a tip for his request + time spent is expected. I wouldn't expect a dude to tip me if i just plopped down in a sit next to him...
And there is the difference I'd like to point out for those following along.
If *I* call a woman over and then engage her in extended conversation when I know that time is money to her then of course I'd compensate her but I don't do that.
So understand that when I say I don't pay for conversation I mean if a dancer comes to me and decides on her own to hang out and chat, after I've told her I am not purchasing, then looks at me like she expects a tip for that... She has to understand when all she gets from me is a bemused look.
Like I said, I relate that to something like a painter comes up to my house, paints my door, then knocks on it and asks me to pay for his painting my door when I never asked him to. He'd be lucky if he didn't get a poke in the eye with a stunt like that [better be the right color or he's changing it back :) ].
JoeUnCool
12-01-2008, 12:14 PM
Well, I don't do lower quality strippers since I simply don't spend time with a girl who doesn't appeal to me. As far as escorts go it's really a matter of choice. I have two very cool regular ladies but once in a while, mostly when I'm traveling, I will call an agency and just book an hour with the hottest girl on the schedule. She may or may not turn out to be the best performer or a future regular but an hour of sex is an hour of sex. It's always going to be better than an hour in the dentist's chair.
But yes, over all I tend to cultivate regular relationships with ladies that I enjoy seeing for reasons beyond the business they are in. I find that treating them well with respect to helping their income serves me much better in the long run than penny pinching.
I don't do the escorts or get extras from the dancers, but I'm similar with respect to what I look for with the dancers. overall, the girls that have gotten the most of my money are the ones that were attractive, had more than just a body, and could hold a conversation. As a result, I tend to not throw my money at just anyone, merely a few select girls.
Typically, I have only one regular girl at a time, but its not a requirement on either side. I don't expect a regular girl to come full speed over when I walk into a club. In fact, I openly tell them that if there is someone else in the club that they can make money off of, to go that person. typically, my money will still be in my pocket when they return, though, there are no guarantees.
bem401
12-01-2008, 12:59 PM
If any lady you've conversatedwith hasn't asked for money for her time, it's only because she either doesn't have the guts or the smarts to ask for it.
Funny story : when the smartest stripper I've ever known showed up in my hometown, I overheard her use the word "conversate" to some guys I was either with or near. Because I knew her, when they moved away, I asked her " you know "conversate" is not really a word, don't you?". She replied " of course I do, its stripperese". Congratulations on getting the language down in your short tenure.
BTW, your points are well-taken.
yoda57us
12-01-2008, 01:01 PM
Like I said, I relate that to something like a painter comes up to my house, paints my door, then knocks on it and asks me to pay for his painting my door when I never asked him to. He'd be lucky if he didn't get a poke in the eye with a stunt like that [better be the right color or he's changing it back :) ].
Or the squeegee guy who washes your window and then asks for a tip!
pixierocksonthepole
12-01-2008, 03:29 PM
This is the customer forum pixie. No one rally cares if you want to come here and read the stuff but, on the other hand, nobody really cares if you don't.
Dancers who come to blue and read these threads run the same risk as customers who venture into "Hustle Hut" on the pink side. You might read some things you don't want to read but they were never intended to be read by you.
Unless you are color blind it's pretty freekin' simple: Don't read the blue threads if you don't want to know what customers, the guys who help you put food on your table and a roof over your head, are saying. It's not quite TUSCL or SCL down here but it's not "Ladies Only" either. You can say whatever you want down here but to say that the customer's comments don't belong here is pretty damn foolish.
Pardon me. Do not call me foolish. I never said anything wrong about his comments or yours for that fact. Just saying that the website posted was pretty stupid and just doesn't really belong anywhere. I never said customers can't read anything in here or post anything in here. Don't take words out of my mouth, please. That sir is foolish on your part.
yoda57us
12-01-2008, 04:04 PM
I never said customers can't read anything in here or post anything in here. Don't take words out of my mouth, please. That sir is foolish on your part.
Um...I never said that you said that...
pixierocksonthepole
12-01-2008, 04:09 PM
Um...I never said that you said that...
Yes, you did.
Good job deleting the last one you just left.
pixierocksonthepole
12-01-2008, 04:13 PM
The BLUE area is for this type of thread. Blue is kept on a short leash with a spiked collar in the Pink area. If a Pink is offended by the smell of the "he man women hating club" ::) she does not have to open the door.
Use the Blue area for what it is, PLs talking honestly for the most part and learn from it as I do lurking in Pink. Keep your friends close and your adversaries closer.
As for the topic of this thread there are physiological factors that can be used in any human interaction.
I wasn't talking about sides of the site. Just saying in general it just shouldn't be posted. I don't dance anymore but I sitll find it insulting. And yeah you are right I don't have to read it but I do because I like reading. And like many others I post my opinion and you nor anyone else has to agree with it.
yoda57us
12-01-2008, 05:07 PM
Yes, you did.
Good job deleting the last one you just left.
Thanks, that's what the delete button is for!
mr_punk
12-01-2008, 06:53 PM
If I were a duder, and I wanted a handjob, I would expect to pay a lot if I wanted it from a beautiful, charming girl rather than an average, boring girl. Do you not care about the "whole package" - just as long as someone's giving you a "sexual service" (hypothethically speaking, of course)?ROTFLMAO..either you would totaly FAIL as a dude or you're eliot spitzer's twin brother. i like hot looking strippers, but charm? intelligence? or any other attribute that would fall into the "whole package" category? IMO, those traits are vastly overrated in comparison.
Just so we make this clear - some guys WANT to pay a lot more than you would pay because to them, it is what the service is worth.or perhaps simply because they got hustled. i'm just saying.
Its going to impact their mental outlook and in return effect their interaction mentally with the client.escort damage? is that like stripper damage, but with a twist?
yoda, I've only been in the SC business for a little under two years, but I am more than confident that the ladies on SW are not your average bear.<double-take> you must have missed the mother of all drama fests.
SassyPants
12-01-2008, 10:01 PM
It also could be that the dancer believes that there is no way the customer would pay for time/conversation. It could also be that the dancer actually likes the customer and wants to talk to him. It could also be that the dancer forgot to ask the customer to pay for time/conversation.
Asking a customer to pay for time/conversation could backfire for a dancer. A customer who has been asked to pay for time/conversation may not want to buy dances from that dancer in the future because of it.
Aww man, I got a rebuttal for all of these! *karate chops the air*
"It also could be that the dancer believes that there is no way the customer would pay for time/conversation" = It doesn't hurt to try though, does it? The worst a customer can say is no. We are at work and it's not out of the question to request money for anything we do. You'd be surprised, really. Some guys ask me the silliest things and I then say "for five bucks" all cute and they usually pay. Can't blame a girl for trying ;)
"It could also be that the dancer actually likes the customer and wants to talk to him." = If a dancer actually likes a customer, it would be in her best interest to talk to him OUTSIDE OF WORK. This is not the customer's fault of course, if the dancer comes to work and "wastes" her time on non-paying customers just because she likes them. It would be like going to your desk job and playing Minesweep all day. Anyone with job integrity knows that you go to your job, bust your ass and that's how you earn your paycheck. If I liked a customer enough to sit on my ass and talk to them for free at my job, I would tell them "hey, I'll call ya on my day off... I really gotta make some money."
" It could also be that the dancer forgot to ask the customer to pay for time/conversation." = She's at work, dude. How would she FORGET to get paid?
"Asking a customer to pay for time/conversation could backfire for a dancer. " = Usually, I don't ask to be tipped for time/conversation until the very end, so if it did backfire, there's no harm and no foul. I'm going on to the next custie anyway. If a customer doesn't want a dance from me today, he most likely won't want a dance from me in the future. There are always exceptions though, and if I were to meet a customer who I believed would eventually spend money on me, of course I wouldn't do anything to ruin that.
Basically, I believe a dancer should be tipped for conversation if the customer requested her and did not want dances. If the customer does get dances, than that conversation could be considered a part of the sale.
Conversatin' can be fun and profitable. :-D
mr punk, I don't know what you mean by the "mother of all drama fests." If you would be so kind, could you please enlighten me, and how this relates to my comment that most of the gals on SW are not the kind of stripper that abcd enjoys.
Smokeless
12-01-2008, 11:04 PM
That certainly puts things into perspective.
And that's terribly patronizing.
Hmmm. Maybe patronizing isn't the right term for you.
Smokeless
12-01-2008, 11:23 PM
I'm not sure why I continue to follow this conversation, except to see some of the actually intelligent repartee.
Just a small point. While others typically are not willing to pay for conversation only, when I solicit the conversation, I am more than happy to pay. For one reason or another, I sometimes have opportunity for conversation but it's too risky for a dance, and a favorite is available, I'll gladly pay the $20 or $40 for her time. Without those constraints, I'd much rather pay for the dance and converse secondary to the dance. I'm not having just one, but typically 4 or more, and I tip well. More often than not, the dancer will wish to visit before I leave.
Nonetheless, I rarely engage in unsolicited conversation. Typically they get started by a not-too-good, shy, or inexperienced dancer unwilling to ask me for a dance directly. Of course, there's always the exception. The night is slow. My budget is exhausted. Conversation is engaged over a drink or two. If I don't know the dancer, and she was sexy and engaging, I'll make a note to have a real dance next time I'm there. Good marketing never hurts.
In any case, there are hundreds of approaches and strategies. Including Alphabet's. I can't believe that always underbidding the competition is the best. If it occasionally works for you, fine. I find that generosity has its dividends.
mediocrity
12-02-2008, 04:15 AM
And that's terribly patronizing.
Hmmm. Maybe patronizing isn't the right term for you.
I totally LOL'ed at this.
If anything, thanks for the chuckle after a bad night.;D
SassyPants
12-02-2008, 11:17 AM
Is it embarassing to tip a dancer for conversation or something? I didn't know admitting to it would solicite such a reaction.
JoeUnCool
12-02-2008, 12:08 PM
Is it embarassing to tip a dancer for conversation or something? I didn't know admitting to it would solicite such a reaction.
Embarassing to tip a dancer for conversation or something non-dance related? hmmmm, like many things, I think the answer is, it depends. There are a few things that I look for in a dancer.
1. She has to be attractive. If the girl is not my physical type, then forget it.
2. If she is too aggressive, forget it
3. Can she hold a conversation?
I was in vegas two months ago. A girl sat down next to me and we started talking. Not much was happening in the club on that afternoon. We babbled for an hour. No clothes were removed. I did tip her for her time. It wasn't like being in the VIP type of tip, but I did give her something for her time. However, not everyone gets a tip just for talking. There is still some fantasy involved. }:D
JoeUnCool
12-02-2008, 12:13 PM
"It also could be that the dancer believes that there is no way the customer would pay for time/conversation" It doesn't hurt to try though, does it? The worst a customer can say is no. We are at work and it's not out of the question to request money for anything we do. You'd be surprised, really. Some guys ask me the silliest things and I then say "for five bucks" all cute and they usually pay. Can't blame a girl for trying ;)
I think asking for it is too aggressive. Perhaps watching the clock might be a better thing. if after 5 minutes there doesn't look to be anything happening, you could head to another customer. However, different things work better in different situations. I'm just saying that asking upfront would probably be a little too aggressive of a move on me.
yoda57us
12-02-2008, 01:02 PM
Is it embarassing to tip a dancer for conversation or something? I didn't know admitting to it would solicite such a reaction.
I was thinking the same thing...then I considered the source...
SassyPants
12-02-2008, 02:42 PM
I think asking for it is too aggressive. Perhaps watching the clock might be a better thing. if after 5 minutes there doesn't look to be anything happening, you could head to another customer. However, different things work better in different situations. I'm just saying that asking upfront would probably be a little too aggressive of a move on me.
If I sit down with you AFTER you call me over, and we chat for five or so minutes and it gets down to business time, if you do not want dances from me I'm going to say, "Well it was nice meeting you, would you like to tip me for my time?" as I stand up to leave... if and only if you as the customer haven't said "i'll pay you for your time, I just want to talk." If that's considered aggressive, then I say don't request me to come to you in the first place. Now, if I just plopped down next to you uninvited and you were obviously not interested and I said something about a tip then, I can understand. I thought I was pretty clear about this concept in my previous posts. Perhaps not.
*checks behind the milk*
yoda57us
12-02-2008, 05:09 PM
I believe that there are customers who pay dancers for conversation who would not admit to it because they are afraid of being laughed at and ridiculed.
Ridiculed? By who? Guys like you? If being generous is something to be ridiculed for that's a chance I'm willing to take.
doc-catfish
12-02-2008, 05:30 PM
Ahh, everything is relative. I've seen some posts on hobbyist's forums where posters laugh at customers who go to clubs (particularly ones known for high mileage and extras) and waste their money on "just dances".
Kinda strange how some folks have to make the whole clubbing experience into some sort of game, that they've somehow won by their own proclamation, seemingly forgetting that the supposed "losers" never asked to involve themselves in the contest. And lets face it, you'll find mongers and BLTs alike who do it and come up with the own warped little points systems.
JoeUnCool
12-02-2008, 07:19 PM
I thought I was pretty clear about this concept in my previous posts. Perhaps not.
*checks behind the milk*
As I peer around the head of lettuce, I might have missed the exact scenario. :)