View Full Version : A father's duty! according to Chris Rock
JayATee
12-23-2008, 03:00 AM
I agree that "im paying for school" i s a dumb excuse because you could pay for it in so many ways. A good reason is and the one i always give is "id rather work here than in retail or at an office making 8-12 bucks an hour)
Why is that any less "dumb"? There are lots of jobs out there besides this one.
MarvelGirl
12-23-2008, 09:23 PM
I agree that "im paying for school" i s a dumb excuse because you could pay for it in so many ways. A good reason is and the one i always give is "id rather work here than in retail or at an office making 8-12 bucks an hour)
Tell me, have you ever worked 40+ hours a week at a normal job trying to support yourself AND gone to college full time?
I don't for a second believe that you have, otherwise you would know that it's HELL.
This statement makes you sound ignorant and stupid, but mostly stupid.
JayATee
12-23-2008, 11:33 PM
Tell me, have you ever worked 40+ hours a week at a normal job trying to support yourself AND gone to college full time?
I don't for a second believe that you have, otherwise you would know that it's HELL.
This statement makes you sound ignorant and stupid, but mostly stupid.
Lol. For a second I thought you were talking to me and I was going to say that of course I had and that's why I started stripping. ;)
Lady Xplicit18
12-26-2008, 03:41 AM
Chris Rock is a very funny comedian and he says things to get laughs based on stereo types that his audience can relate to.
The part of the idea of a woman that enjoys her sexuality must somehow be flawed, makes me feel sad. Is it her father's job to create a deep shame of her sexual feelings to the point that she would find the idea of a sexual stage performance repulsive and her own sexuality as repulsive or "dirty" by extension?
Why can't women just be sexual and enjoy their sexuality? Where is the failure in that?
I highly agree.
It's sad.:-\
pinkpuff
12-28-2008, 09:50 PM
Why is that any less "dumb"? There are lots of jobs out there besides this one.
I dont know why you are acting like you disagree with me since we basically said the same thing
Saying you are stripping to pay for school is a dumb excuse precisely because we do have other options
Uh, I still don't get this, 'bella. Although there are a few outstanding individuals who do get scholarships, the vast majority of students do not get a free ride. In order to sponsor these few outstanding individuals, the tuition for rest of the students needs to be incrased.
In my view, there is nothing wrong with getting loans or a job to afford schooling. If only rich students, or really outstanding students are able to get higher education, then the majority of potential college students would be essentially barred from going to college. I think that would be a pitty.
the vast majority of individuals that have at least half a brain will get a full ride to somewhere, even if its not the school of their choice. Most people will get SOME sort of scholarship so long as they werent like C students who did nothing with their first 18 years of their lives. So I kind of get what miabella is saying in that respect. I like having options though, and while I would have gotten a full ride at a state school I chose a private school instead because the debt i incured from it was worth it to go to that school and live in that city. Its not just "outstanding" individuals who get scholarships. Most of my friends in college had scholarships, a lot of them had full rides. I wouldnt call any of them geniuses.
Tell me, have you ever worked 40+ hours a week at a normal job trying to support yourself AND gone to college full time?
I don't for a second believe that you have, otherwise you would know that it's HELL.
This statement makes you sound ignorant and stupid, but mostly stupid.
Oh i KNOW its hell ,but a lot of people do it. I personally would much rather strip than work 40 hours a week for 320 bucks. Totally. Doesnt mean there arent other options. Some people prefer to work 40 hours a week at mcdonalds than to strip for 8 hours a week for the same pay. Go figure. Those people are a lot less lazy than I am. I did work for 7.50 an hour, my freshman year. Not full time, workstudy wouldnt allow that I think, and it did suck, though not THAT badly, but i was only getting paid 200 every 2 weeks and back then I thought that was actually a lot lol.
I really dont see how it makes me sound ignorant. If it was that hellish then 100 percent of poor college students would be strippers. Instead a lot of kids chose to work longer hours for less pay. I personally will admit i am super lazy, and THAT is why im a stripper. Not because its my "only choice"
MarvelGirl
12-29-2008, 09:46 AM
Most college students have their parents footing some of the bill, even though everyone likes to pretend that they're doing it all on their own.
I don't know where the hell you live that $200 every two weeks pays the bills, but I've never heard of that place. There's a huge difference between NEEDING to work to have pizza money, and NEEDING to work to keep a roof over your head and lights on, but I know how you are and I don't expect you to actually attempt to even think about it.
pinkpuff
12-30-2008, 04:42 AM
Most college students have their parents footing some of the bill, even though everyone likes to pretend that they're doing it all on their own.
I don't know where the hell you live that $200 every two weeks pays the bills, but I've never heard of that place. There's a huge difference between NEEDING to work to have pizza money, and NEEDING to work to keep a roof over your head and lights on, but I know how you are and I don't expect you to actually attempt to even think about it.
Most? are you implying most college students are rich?
When I did work study at my school I was living on that, loans, and grants. If you honestly are poor and cant afford school the government and the school help you out.
If a person is going to school and has to pay for ALL his/her expenses out of pocket then that person most likely comes from a family that can afford to help him/her out financially. If for some reason the family refuses to help then that person can start claiming his/herself as independent so that their income isnt considered when applying for financial aide. I know from personal experience that the US gov at least has made it very very possible for anyone to go to any school they want. I got a shitload of financial aide. I cant feel sorry for anyone who was far too lazy to fill out their fafsa or apply for scholarships or loans. Then there is always the super ridiculously laughibly cheap option of community college. Seriously i was shocked when i found out how cheap community college is. Hell a lot of people STAY in school for years just so they dont have to work or take care of themselves. Im pretty sure at age 30 getting their masters or PHd most arent STILL relying on their parents. Sorry but the whole "im a stripper because its my only choice" is just bullshit. You do have other choices and millions of kids accross the US partake in those other choices instead of stripping. I am a stripper because I am LAZY and dont want to work at a job thats going to bore me to tears. Plain and simple.
And i wasnt working to have pizza money. Wow how dare you. My work was part of my work study (part of my financial aide package) and it all went to things I needed to survive like food and shelter. I actually had a roommate who would complain that i needed to contribute money to the food and furniture fund (which i didnt even eat or use) because I worked and the rest of the roomates didnt....all when i was making 7.50 an hour. WTFFF
Regardless plenty of people in the US do live on the minimum wage. They live in shitty neighborhood and eat horrible unhealthy food, but they do do it.
Otoki
12-31-2008, 03:08 PM
^^I don't know what this post says, because I've given up on reading her posts, but if she's trying to explain how you can live on 400/mo, that post is full of fail.
Even considering student loans, people cannot always get enough from the government to pay for any school, only cheaper ones. Nothing wrong with cheaper schools, but it's very important for students to attend an institution which will give them the specific education they want.
JayATee
12-31-2008, 11:29 PM
I dont know why you are acting like you disagree with me since we basically said the same thing
Saying you are stripping to pay for school is a dumb excuse precisely because we do have other options
No, my point was that if there are so many other jobs out there besides stripping that will pay for school than why is your "excuse" of not wanting to work for $8 an hour better? There's lots of jobs that pay more than $8/hr out there and you get to keep all your clothes on.
pinkpuff
01-01-2009, 07:13 PM
No, my point was that if there are so many other jobs out there besides stripping that will pay for school than why is your "excuse" of not wanting to work for $8 an hour better? There's lots of jobs that pay more than $8/hr out there and you get to keep all your clothes on.
ok woops. Id rather make 40and up an hour stripping than get paid 8-25 an hour at a normal job with most likely the 25 an hour ones providing fewer hours.
With stripping I can work when I want, as often as I want, i cant do that with many other jobs. It all comes down to me being lazy though. And unnattractive too. I could never get the hot girl 100 an hour to just sit there and look pretty in a window display job. And even that job is wayy more inconsistent than stripping.
oh i just reread my post. I was confused as to why you said 8 an hour because i DIDNT. I said 8-12 an hour which is how much a typical entry level office job pays! The jobs that pay more are way more inconsistant for a young person- promotional work, catering, bartending. Unless you are hot enough , connected enough, and experienced enough to work in a high end bar or night club (in LA at least the standards for working at a bar or club are ridiculous, bartenders come in with 10 years of experience and cant get a job at a decent place because they arent hot or almost famous).
MarvelGirl
01-01-2009, 11:27 PM
Ah, so being lazy is the right reason to be a stripper, and using stripping to go to college is stupid.
Great priorities you have there.
pinkpuff
01-02-2009, 12:19 AM
Ah, so being lazy is the right reason to be a stripper, and using stripping to go to college is stupid.
Great priorities you have there.
no way. using stripping to go to college or to have free time to pursue your passion is totally a great reason to strip. What i am saying is that using "I am paying off college and this is my only option" as an EXCUSE is ridiculous. We have plenty more options than to strip.
SlimJournal
09-17-2009, 02:19 PM
Lets just say this:
I wouldn't want my KID to become a stripper. But when she has accomplished the task of being an independent adult who can support herself , she can strip all she wants. Teenagers stripping is too much for me. Adult women though, like 21+, no prob. I would only hope that my adult child chooses wisely how they do it.
Donovan28
09-22-2009, 06:50 AM
So when does a "kid" become an adult? 18 year olds go and fight and die for our country (don't get me started) and they can vote. Why can't they handle a mature job that's sexually oriented?
I'm playing devil's advocate here, I think anything under 21 isn't really working for me either, but they do have rights and shouldn't be banned by those of us who don't want them in there, even if it's for their own good.
The Lodge here in Dallas doesn't even HIRE anyone under 21 because of the inherent alcohol issue and they don't want the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission coming down on them for serving minors.
Girls just go work in the other clubs until they are old enough to be at the Lodge.
I've heard the argument made before that our prefrontal cortex isn't formed until our early twenties (controls rational decision making).
verfolgung
09-22-2009, 09:07 AM
^^^ Age and maturity don't always go hand in hand.
jack0177057
09-22-2009, 10:04 AM
The expression of female sexuality historically has never acceptable in any form because men are viewed as aggressors who "take" women. Men are the ones who have power over women, they are dominate. A woman has always, to a certain extent, been viewed as the property of a man, so why would she would want to willingly "give" herself (hence the whole idea of the "slut", and this is only made null by a male "pledging" his devotion to her, aka relationship and therefore sex is no longer degrading) to any man, especially for a price which in many people's minds makes said woman a worthless sex object, up for anyone with the economic ability to take.
I think this is a good analysis, but only tells half the story... There is really a dichotomy... the madonna and the whore...
The Madonna/Virgin/Wife/Mother - She is the domestic nurturing figure that creates stability in the home. She is unquestionably loving, loyal and subservient. Everyman wants to marry a woman like this. Her only power comes from "gentle persuasion" over her husband. As Eleanor Roosevelt said, you put a good idea into your husband's head, but let him think it was his and get all the credit. The benefit of being a wife and mother is that you have stability and a life-long commitment.
The seductress/courtesan/whore/slut - She is unrepentently wild, unpredictable, passionate -- and very powerful. She can seduce a "good" man and turn his world upside down and inside out. She has harnessed what Tila Tequila calls, "pussy power". Every man burns with lust for her, but she can be poisonous and they know that. Her benefit is that she got to play with the boys and even beat them at their own game. The downside, however, was that the ride had ups and downs, and when her beauty faded, she might be left with nothing.
The women that reached the top with their seductive skills, i.e. the high-class courtesans were celebrated and worshipped in their time, but also feared and reviled, because they created chaos... i.e., they charmed powerful men and manipultated them... Men have always tried to dominate with force and physical brutality, but this is no match for the charm, wits and "pussy power" of the beautiful seductress.
The world of the high-class courtesans was actually a parallel world... They had more freedoms, independence, access to intellectual pursuits and access to powerful men than the madonna virgins, but on the other hand, a few places of "polite society" were off limits to them. They were well-educated and worldly (sometimes even more so than the average upper-class woman), and often held simultaneous careers as performers or artists. They were typically chosen on the basis of their "breeding"—social and conversational skills, intelligence, common-sense, and companionship—as well as their physical attributes. It was usually their wit and personality that set them apart from regular women. They were prostitutes in the sense that sex was one of their obligations, but unlike the average prostitute, sex constituted only a facet of the courtesan's array of services. For example, they were expected to be well-dressed and ready to engage in a variety of topics ranging from art to music to politics. They associated with the ruling elite males and probably spent more time with them than their wives.
Obviously, a father desires the stability that comes from being a "good girl" for his daughter. The rewards of being a "bad girl", like the rewards for being a high-class courtesan, can be very significant, but, the risks are also very significant,... and beauty fades with time. That is not to say that what a father desires for his daughter is necessarily what is best for her. It is in his nature to always be protective and conservative in his hopes and expectations regarding her.
Optimist
09-23-2009, 02:12 AM
I think this is a good analysis, but only tells half the story... There is really a dichotomy... the madonna and the whore...
Obviously, a father desires the stability that comes from being a "good girl" for his daughter. The rewards of being a "bad girl", like the rewards for being a high-class courtesan, can be very significant, but, the risks are also very significant,... and beauty fades with time. That is not to say that what a father desires for his daughter is necessarily what is best for her. It is in his nature to always be protective and conservative in his hopes and expectations regarding her.
What rewards? There's a 50% divorce rate and a crap shoot if your "baby daddy" will pay support or leave his kids hanging. That's pretty risky! As for beauty fading with time, that's not an issue now since many men are looking for way more than a trophy. That's why older dancers can do so well. Also, these women doing their own thing are making and saving money so they wouldn't need a man for financial support as they "fade".
jack0177057
09-23-2009, 09:20 AM
What rewards? There's a 50% divorce rate and a crap shoot if your "baby daddy" will pay support or leave his kids hanging. That's pretty risky! As for beauty fading with time, that's not an issue now since many men are looking for way more than a trophy. That's why older dancers can do so well. Also, these women doing their own thing are making and saving money so they wouldn't need a man for financial support as they "fade".
That's true... That's why father's are shifting from wanting their daughters to marry well, to wanting their daughters to get the best college education... That's what's become the safest and most stable path... But, that's being challenged by the economy as well.
My point is that any sex-oriented career choice has many risks and a potentially short shelf-life. Fathers want safe choices for their daughters.
Of course, father's also have selfish motives. Their children supposedly reflect them and a father wants to be well represented. I'm only pointing this out, not making an argument that this is a legit reason to dictate the career choices of their daughters.