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miabella
12-17-2008, 07:14 PM
really? well then i must have been dreaming the entire 9 months i have worked at over half a dozen strip clubs because in my experience a LOT of guys will get dances from the first girl that approaches them.

"over" half a dozen=how many again?

Otoki
12-18-2008, 02:12 AM
"over" half a dozen=how many again?
See, this is why I like the ignore option. This thread has remained really interesting to me without being derailed by someone's bitter rants about how men suck, or whatever it is she's saying in her posts this time.

Phil-W
12-18-2008, 02:23 PM
really? well then i must have been dreaming the entire 9 months i have worked at over half a dozen strip clubs because in my experience a LOT of guys will get dances from the first girl that approaches them.

Pinkpuff - I'm not trying to say that a lot of guys won't get dances from the first dancer that comes up. Equally, I'm saying that other guys will look for a dancer that matches their particular preferences. That unfortunately is the way the world works.

Don't think I'm not sympathetic to the stresses involved in dancing. For various reasons I won't go into I know dancers outside of work, and I have few illusions about this business.

But it is a business and a competitive one at that. Like it or not, there is only a certain amount of customers/money that walks through the door of a strip club every night. Every girl working is trying to get her hands on as big a slice of the $$$'s as possible, and some are better at it than others.

The girls I know that make money at this business (and some make a good income from it) have found a method of working that works for them and lets them leave with full purses. Others have less successful techniques and don't do as well - an unfortunate fact of life.

When us males are in a strip club we're customers - and hence a source of income to you. There's no point in being annoyed/affronted if we won't buy a dance from you. If you pick up an attitude, all you'll do is damage your earnings for the rest of the night: guys come along to have their illusions maintained - not shattered.

A strip club is a game with strange rules. If you suss out the rules (cf Hustle Hut above), you'll walk away with more money that if you get annoyed at the customers. And at the end of the day, that's what most dancers want to do: have a minimum hassle/maximum profit night.

Phil.

As a PS: please don't feel I having a go at you in my posts; I'm not. What I'm trying to do is show you an alternative point of view. I'm not saying either of our POV's is right or wrong - only that people don't see the world through the same eyes. ;)

pinkpuff
12-19-2008, 03:21 PM
phil, while occasionally a big spender will look specifically for a certain type of girl i have noticed more often than not they end up dancing with the first girl who holds a conversation with them, often times this is the first girl that approaches them. too often than not i have found that guys who insist the girls "work" for their money only buy one dance if any at all because they feel that their 20 bucks or 15 or 40 whatever the cost is is just THAT precious that the girl has to be perfect in every way before she gets it. so basically what im saying is that guys who do play the game usually are not worth playing along with

bsteve
12-20-2008, 12:13 AM
phil, while occasionally a big spender will look specifically for a certain type of girl i have noticed more often than not they end up dancing with the first girl who holds a conversation with them, often times this is the first girl that approaches them. too often than not i have found that guys who insist the girls "work" for their money only buy one dance if any at all because they feel that their 20 bucks or 15 or 40 whatever the cost is is just THAT precious that the girl has to be perfect in every way before she gets it. so basically what im saying is that guys who do play the game usually are not worth playing along with

Well, that makes sense. To most average people, giving a dancer $20 (or $15, or $40) is a lot of money. If a guy works as a dishwasher, well, $20 is 2 hours of his work. To most people it is more money than they wish to spend on a few seconds or a few minutes of entertainment. For that reason they want the dancer to be "oh so perfect". It is that rare opportunity to spend lots of money on a dancer. On the other hand, for rich people who are big spenders, $20 is no big deal, so they are not as critical of any particular dancer, because they know that there will be another one that they'll get a dance in few minutes later on.

Actually, this is pretty true in other service industries as well. The clients who are not in a position to pay well are a pain. Yeah, I'd love it if all I did was serve big clients with lots of money, and so I could say "F_ Y_, small client" but we simply can't do that. I don't bear any animosity towards such clients.

charlie61
12-20-2008, 02:29 AM
Actually, this is pretty true in other service industries as well. The clients who are not in a position to pay well are a pain. Yeah, I'd love it if all I did was serve big clients with lots of money, and so I could say "F_ Y_, small client" but we simply can't do that. I don't bear any animosity towards such clients.

Even though I already knew this, your post served as a great reminder of why I should be patient with people who are less willing to spend money. Stripping is similar to any service industry in that business should be conducted in a respectful manner no matter how small the client might be. Very very true.

It's easy to get caught up in the 'make-the-sale' mindset and forget that you're talking to a human being for whom $20 might be a lot of money...or even his entertainment budget for the month.

3-Legged Man
12-20-2008, 05:45 AM
Charlie, I appreciate your attitude regarding the low-roller customer with $20 to spend. It may not seem like much to some but earning $20 (or 15 or 12, depending on club fees) for 3 minutes of work shouldn't be seen as trivial.

About a year ago on SCL, I posted a comment that I really liked a fresh new face that I saw on stage that day, but she never approached. To which I received the following reply:

You never spend more than $60 on a girl 3 legged man!!! no one really cares about you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have no doubt that was posted by a dancer because several of that club's dancers are known for having posted on SCL. Anyhow, that little expression cost the ladies at that club hundreds or even thousands of dollars in the long haul. I only returned twice after that to see someone that I knew was working on a certain date. Now I no longer work in the area so it doesn't matter. But the point is that as dancers can get hurt feelings from rejection, it can go both ways. I'm sorry my typical $60 expenditure wasn't enough for some nasty person, but I'm sure some other dancers could have used the cash.

Phil-W
12-21-2008, 03:54 AM
phil, while occasionally a big spender will look specifically for a certain type of girl i have noticed more often than not they end up dancing with the first girl who holds a conversation with them, often times this is the first girl that approaches them. too often than not i have found that guys who insist the girls "work" for their money only buy one dance if any at all because they feel that their 20 bucks or 15 or 40 whatever the cost is is just THAT precious that the girl has to be perfect in every way before she gets it. so basically what im saying is that guys who do play the game usually are not worth playing along with

An interesting illustration of how we form subjective judgments. We are none of us creatures of pure logic - instead we come to an opinion (sometimes on very little evidence indeed). and then look for information that confirms or disproves that opinion. And naturally we tend to give more weight on things that 'prove' our opinion than ones that 'disprove' it.

Put pinkpuff and I into the same club with our different opinions, and we'd see different things - because we're more likely to remember things that support our POV.

Pinkpuff thinks that most guys have dances from the first guy that comes up, so she'll tend to remember more of the instances of when that happened and fewer of those where it didn't. I'd be the reverse - believing guys are more selective, I'd tend to remember the instances where a guy turned away the first dancer and looked around for one met his expectations of what a dancer should be like.

Ask us at the end of the night whether more guys brought dances from the first girl that came up to them or not, and we'd give different answers. Equally, we'd both sincerely believe that we were right and the other person was wrong.

Hence the root of many arguments - we never approach things with pure logic.

Phil.

GeorgeBailey
12-21-2008, 10:57 AM
When I began going to lap clubs 20 years or so ago, many times I would purchase a dance from the first woman who asked, but even then I had certain expectations. Currently, I purposely plan my visits when specific dancers I want to spend time with are working. You can bet that I'm likely going to turn down dances from most other women, at least until after I have seen the women I wanted to see or am satisfied that they're not in the club.

In new clubs, I'm more likely to get dances from the first who asks, but am much more picky about it than I was 20 years ago. No, I'm not a billionaire or fantastically good looking; I'm bright enough to understand these women wouldn't have anything to do with me outside the club environment. But inside the club I've learned that I can be a bit more patient. If you are the first dancer to approach me, I may turn you down because I'm still settling in and getting comfortable in the club, or it may be I'm looking for someone with a different look or different attitude. I'm always polite and thank any woman who asks for a dance or to sit with me.

I don't pretend to speak for all men or imply that PP's experience isn't valid. It's just that there are different experiences and different views and different motivations...as has been stated earlier in this thread.

pinkpuff
12-21-2008, 06:25 PM
Well, that makes sense. To most average people, giving a dancer $20 (or $15, or $40) is a lot of money. If a guy works as a dishwasher, well, $20 is 2 hours of his work. To most people it is more money than they wish to spend on a few seconds or a few minutes of entertainment. For that reason they want the dancer to be "oh so perfect". It is that rare opportunity to spend lots of money on a dancer. On the other hand, for rich people who are big spenders, $20 is no big deal, so they are not as critical of any particular dancer, because they know that there will be another one that they'll get a dance in few minutes later on.

Actually, this is pretty true in other service industries as well. The clients who are not in a position to pay well are a pain. Yeah, I'd love it if all I did was serve big clients with lots of money, and so I could say "F_ Y_, small client" but we simply can't do that. I don't bear any animosity towards such clients.
dishwashers should not be going to a strip club. thats like me walking into a Ferrari dealership when i know i cant afford it. we all should live according to our economic means. while i personally do feel bad for these people living under the poverty level, them having chosen to walk into a strip club leaves them open to be scolded for it. its not like anyone forced them to be there. i mean strip clubs are not a necessity. Im not going to feel pity or try to be understanding towards a guy who made the choice to walk in, pay the cover charge, and sit down at my club.

a few people do only cater to the big clients. high end stores and dealerships would probably be one example, high end escorts whose rates start at 2k a date would be another. its not necessary to cater to EVERYONE to make a decent living.

actually phil, i am not selectively remembering. in fact i can remember tons of times when its only me and 2 other girls at the club and even though i was clearly the better looking one, the guy ends up dancing with the first girl who goes up to him, gets several dances from her, and leaves, all the while i was in his eyesight and waiting for the other girl to get done with him so i can approach him next. and no i am not over hyping myself, out of 20 girls i would never say im the best looking, but out of 3 i have a much higher chance.
i also remember times where i have been turned down when the guy first came in then i come back after hes been there for a little bit and he was happy to go and dance with me. more often than not the rejections i see are based on the guy just getting there and not wanting to get a dance the moment he walks in rather than him looking for "the perfect dancer"

grindonme
12-21-2008, 06:26 PM
Only way i'll get a dance from the first stripper that asks me is if i've already seen her onstage or giving someone else a good dance, $20 isn't much to me in the stripclub but i'm still not gonna drop it on a dance that i'm not sure is gonna be worth it

pinkpuff
12-21-2008, 06:29 PM
20 bucks is not too much
but the dance has to be "worth it"
if 20 bucks is not a lot of money on you what do you care if its worth the very little itty bitty amount of money its worth? in other words, if 20 bucks is worth very little to you then why does the dance need to be superior to the price its worth? thats like being upset that you spent 25 cents on a gumdrop that wasnt very good....

lastone
12-21-2008, 07:43 PM
This thread is a little suprizing to me. I have seen dozens of threads where dancers say the prefer to be turned down quickly and simply -- i.e. a simple "no thank you." That allows them to immediately move on to another customer. In fact, in a real high hustle club, that is exactly how they proceed.

From a customer's standpoint, I do expect to spend money when I am in a strip club. But the dances cost the same, whether the dancer is my first choice or not. So of course I am going to be selective. There is something particular I am looking for (and it isn't extras), and I will go the dancer who comes closest to it. I don't feel too good for the other dancers. They just are not my type.

grindonme
12-21-2008, 09:51 PM
20 bucks is not too much
but the dance has to be "worth it"
if 20 bucks is not a lot of money on you what do you care if its worth the very little itty bitty amount of money its worth? in other words, if 20 bucks is worth very little to you then why does the dance need to be superior to the price its worth? thats like being upset that you spent 25 cents on a gumdrop that wasnt very good....

^^^^^This explains it all, the gumdrop could cost a nickel and if you went in and just picked one up and it turned out to be no good you're gonna feel like you wasted your money

bsteve
12-21-2008, 09:54 PM
Even though I already knew this, your post served as a great reminder of why I should be patient with people who are less willing to spend money. Stripping is similar to any service industry in that business should be conducted in a respectful manner no matter how small the client might be. Very very true.

It's easy to get caught up in the 'make-the-sale' mindset and forget that you're talking to a human being for whom $20 might be a lot of money...or even his entertainment budget for the month.


Wow! The more I read your posts, Charlie', the more I like you. Although I do not always agree with you, you appear to be emotionally pretty mature, level headed, smart, and compasionate. You also appear to understand service industry more than most posters. Don't take this the wrong way, but I think that you'll be successful no matter what future throws your way. :)

jt777
12-22-2008, 01:06 AM
some customers are shallow and some are easy going.

shallow customers will wait for the hottest girl to get a dance from.

the easy going customers just want a lap dance from any half naked girl.

there is one thing that i have noticed as of lately. Some girls just flat out, for example, lie and say that its been 6 dances already, instead of the correct 4.

It has happened to me already and those girls are never going to get dances from me again. i was going to be their regular, but i guess that changed my mind quickly.

I didnt want to argue with them because payback is a real bitch. i just went in the next few times and when they asked me for a dance, i declined and went with someone else to VIP.

i thought that was so rude of them to be cheating customers like that.

dont they know that they can lose major money ripping customers off like that?

charlie61
12-22-2008, 10:08 AM
Wow! The more I read your posts, Charlie', the more I like you. Although I do not always agree with you, you appear to be emotionally pretty mature, level headed, smart, and compasionate. You also appear to understand service industry more than most posters. Don't take this the wrong way, but I think that you'll be successful no matter what future throws your way. :)

How could I take that the wrong way? Thank you. :)

The Boob
12-22-2008, 04:43 PM
then there's what I call the backbite:

that's when the dancers who hit you up in the first 5 minutes go back to the lounge and tell the others their notes and the news on you is that you suck and are not there to spend. So the rest of the girls hear this through the grapevine and they don't come over to your table even though they're the ones you were waiting for when you turned down the first wave of aggressive breasts.

So then you end up sitting there and the quality cleavage is sitting somewhere else out of sight, and it's a tiny tragedy.

I don't get annoyed by it anymore because it all makes sense: You've got the dancers who have found that in order to survive they need to hit up potential crotch clients as soon as they walk through the door. Then you've got the next group of dancers who don't really need to be in the 1st wave to survive, but they get annoyed at seeing customers stolen by these early birds so they figure they might as well join the circus that's developing around new arrivals so they don't get beaten out of that revenue source. These are the competitive ones who believe in encircling the enemy (the custie) and fighting a war of seduction on multiple fronts, using the quick strike and then coming back for a more measured onslaught later. They're adapting to defeat what the competition is doing.
Then there's the one who worked up her courage to come over to you and you feel bad turning her down because you can tell she's putting too much stock in this attempt, like she thinks the only way her shift is going to go well is if she starts winning battles--right now! So that's another tiny tragedy.

But yeah I've noticed that dances are starting to contain more of what you actually want and longer lasting good stuff as well. There's less lapdance time taken up with "Hey, here's my shoulder blades pressing back into your manly chest! Isn't that hot!?!" So that's good. On the other hand, the nation is going down the toilet. So it's a mix of good and bad.

Otoki
12-22-2008, 07:18 PM
Charlie, I appreciate your attitude regarding the low-roller customer with $20 to spend. It may not seem like much to some but earning $20 (or 15 or 12, depending on club fees) for 3 minutes of work shouldn't be seen as trivial.

About a year ago on SCL, I posted a comment that I really liked a fresh new face that I saw on stage that day, but she never approached. To which I received the following reply:

You never spend more than $60 on a girl 3 legged man!!! no one really cares about you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is definitely an unprofessional and rude comment. So long as a customer doesn't waste my time (trying to get me to chat for free, etc) I don't care if they spend 60 in the club.


This thread is a little suprizing to me. I have seen dozens of threads where dancers say the prefer to be turned down quickly and simply -- i.e. a simple "no thank you." That allows them to immediately move on to another customer. In fact, in a real high hustle club, that is exactly how they proceed.

From a customer's standpoint, I do expect to spend money when I am in a strip club. But the dances cost the same, whether the dancer is my first choice or not. So of course I am going to be selective. There is something particular I am looking for (and it isn't extras), and I will go the dancer who comes closest to it. I don't feel too good for the other dancers. They just are not my type.
Exactly. I quick, polite "no thank you" is all that is required, and that way you won't waste their time, and you're more likely to meet the girl you want because you won't be crowded with girls who don't interest you. Also, if you spot "the one" while a different girl is talking to you, you can always say "no thank you, but could you please go get that girl right there?" and tip the rejected girl five or ten bucks, that makes everyone happy:)


some customers are shallow and some are easy going.
This is a false dichotomy. There are all sorts of different types of customers with different motivations in the club.

Otoki
12-22-2008, 07:20 PM
Even though I already knew this, your post served as a great reminder of why I should be patient with people who are less willing to spend money. Stripping is similar to any service industry in that business should be conducted in a respectful manner no matter how small the client might be. Very very true.

It's easy to get caught up in the 'make-the-sale' mindset and forget that you're talking to a human being for whom $20 might be a lot of money...or even his entertainment budget for the month.
While this is a noble attitude, I think if your entertainment budget is $20 you should spend money somewhere else, or save it so you can spend more at the club at a later date. Shit, if all you have to spend is, say $40 (enough for entrance, two drinks, and a dance), is that really going to be that entertaining?

I've also never had a customer whose budget was that tight be anything but someone looking for the most "bang for their buck". Anecdotal, but that's my experience.

parris_star
12-22-2008, 07:33 PM
Yes...it may be a sign of the times, but this is a hustle, we're trained to go after what we want before some other dancer does. I wouldn't take it personally if I got rejected. I would actually expect a client to pick and choose who he'd prefer to keep him company. That is just how it goes right? This isn't a charity and if you go into a strip club, you will be approached by almost every dancer in the club, expect that, if you don't want to be bothered than don't go or just say so!!!!

parris_star
12-22-2008, 07:40 PM
then there's what I call the backbite:

that's when the dancers who hit you up in the first 5 minutes go back to the lounge and tell the others their notes and the news on you is that you suck and are not there to spend. So the rest of the girls hear this through the grapevine and they don't come over to your table even though they're the ones you were waiting for when you turned down the first wave of aggressive breasts.

So then you end up sitting there and the quality cleavage is sitting somewhere else out of sight, and it's a tiny tragedy.

I don't get annoyed by it anymore because it all makes sense: You've got the dancers who have found that in order to survive they need to hit up potential crotch clients as soon as they walk through the door. Then you've got the next group of dancers who don't really need to be in the 1st wave to survive, but they get annoyed at seeing customers stolen by these early birds so they figure they might as well join the circus that's developing around new arrivals so they don't get beaten out of that revenue source. These are the competitive ones who believe in encircling the enemy (the custie) and fighting a war of seduction on multiple fronts, using the quick strike and then coming back for a more measured onslaught later. They're adapting to defeat what the competition is doing.
Then there's the one who worked up her courage to come over to you and you feel bad turning her down because you can tell she's putting too much stock in this attempt, like she thinks the only way her shift is going to go well is if she starts winning battles--right now! So that's another tiny tragedy.

But yeah I've noticed that dances are starting to contain more of what you actually want and longer lasting good stuff as well. There's less lapdance time taken up with "Hey, here's my shoulder blades pressing back into your manly chest! Isn't that hot!?!" So that's good. On the other hand, the nation is going down the toilet. So it's a mix of good and bad.


That is exactly what all the dancers do! They let all the girls know who is spending and who is not and the dancers will ignore them for the rest of the night, as to not waste time with them and try to work on another customer worth it!!! I think it's kind of rude actually. I feel that it is important to be nice and polite to all the customers even if they don't want your company or to buy dances from you because you never know, they may come back looking for you.

Tiggs
12-22-2008, 07:42 PM
Its interesting to see a 20 -25 year old belittling a $20 for 3 minutes work. I would say that 99% of strippers couldn't make that per hour in Real world of Non-Stripping.

Stripping world is hard on the girl. Smoke filled rooms, alcohol, rubbing bodies with strangers. Most strippers I know are single mom, and if they get married it doesn't last. Strippers almost always spend the money they earn, and the money faucet ends rather abruptly when they turn 30.

Eventually they start turning tricks, if they haven't got fat, or end up marrying the PL they wouldn't have looked at a few years back.

There is no such thing as easy money in this world. You pay for it one way or the other. My advice...Youth is extremely precious to a girl. Use it to snatch a good hubby. Beauty will fade, and if your self worth is determined by that....so will that. Remember 20 to 30 is only 10 years of your life....You are stuck with 'fading beauty syndrome ' for 50 years after that.

bsteve
12-23-2008, 12:06 AM
then there's what I call the backbite:

that's when the dancers who hit you up in the first 5 minutes go back to the lounge and tell the others their notes and the news on you is that you suck and are not there to spend. So the rest of the girls hear this through the grapevine and they don't come over to your table even though they're the ones you were waiting for when you turned down the first wave of aggressive breasts.

I wonder if that is true. Do dancers really take time to compare notes on custies in the club? It would make sense if it was a really slow night, and there was very few custies. But any time there is more than 10 dancers and more than 10 customers, I don't see how this could work.

So I ask, dear dancers, do dancers compare notes on custies that are in the club? Or just of the exceptional ones, i.e., the really cheap ones and the really big spenders?

charlie61
12-23-2008, 02:47 AM
Its interesting to see a 20 -25 year old belittling a $20 for 3 minutes work. I would say that 99% of strippers couldn't make that per hour in Real world of Non-Stripping.

Stripping world is hard on the girl. Smoke filled rooms, alcohol, rubbing bodies with strangers. Most strippers I know are single mom, and if they get married it doesn't last. Strippers almost always spend the money they earn, and the money faucet ends rather abruptly when they turn 30.

Eventually they start turning tricks, if they haven't got fat, or end up marrying the PL they wouldn't have looked at a few years back.

There is no such thing as easy money in this world. You pay for it one way or the other. My advice...Youth is extremely precious to a girl. Use it to snatch a good hubby. Beauty will fade, and if your self worth is determined by that....so will that. Remember 20 to 30 is only 10 years of your life....You are stuck with 'fading beauty syndrome ' for 50 years after that.

Wow. What an awesome post. Things I've learned from your wise words:

1) Strippers should use their beauty to get a husband--therein lies the real value in life.

2) Money is the only thing that can be gained from stripping--not life experience, etc. So if you leave stripping with no money gained, then it's been a massive waste of your time (unlike, say, a corporate job).

3) Strippers who don't save money become fat (and/or whores.)

4) Self worth is determined by beauty.

5) The only strippers you've talked to are single moms.

6) The only strippers you've talked to are deadbeats who spend all of their money.

Enlightening! Great choice for a first post, my friend.

Tiggs
12-23-2008, 08:43 AM
Wow. What an awesome post. Things I've learned from your wise words:

1) Strippers should use their beauty to get a husband--therein lies the real value in life..

These pearls of wisdom are not just for strippers but women in general my dear. There's a premium on beauty (and strippers know this better than anyone), and the best value for your beauty in obtaining a husband is before the age of 30.


2)Money is the only thing that can be gained from stripping--not life experience, etc. So if you leave stripping with no money gained, then it's been a massive waste of your time (unlike, say, a corporate job)...

Stripping world has connotation and 'life experience' that provides litttle of value and is only seen as negative in the real world. Its the reason why strippers hide the nature of their profession. Its also the reason why you never see strip clubs in 'decent' part of town even though only the 'decent' people visit high end ones. World is hypocritical and uses strippers, abuses their youth and reputation. Strippers make money. That's the trade.


) 3) Strippers who don't save money become fat (and/or whores.)
You forgot the entire quote. Large percentage of strippers don't save money before their careers as strippers get over due to pregnancy or becoming 'fat' (by fat...I mean too fat to strip world...still probably thin in the real world)


4) Self worth is determined by beauty.

5) The only strippers you've talked to are single moms.

6) The only strippers you've talked to are deadbeats who spend all of their money.

Enlightening! Great choice for a first post, my friend.

Again your misconstrued representations. Ability to earn as a stripper is determined by beauty (if every thing else is equal...psychological manipulation, or mind games also plays a part). Most strippers are then programmed to determine their self worth by it. If that is all you have and little else to fall back on, then when its starts to fade away, so does self worth. This type of phenomena is rampant in professions associated with beauty. Older models and actresses routinely go through ridiculous plastic surgeries to look young.

I have talked to all kinds of strippers, not just single mom. I must say the young ones generally bore me. I usually spend time with the more intelligent ones and older ones. I am a good conversationalist, and they usually have a good time sitting with me. I am the one usually asking them to talk about themselves. They usually are an emotional minefield.

Do not misunderstand me in thinking that I am trying to talk you out of stripping. I enjoy strippers and love the service they provide. I am stating stripping business for what it is. Without strippers, world would be less interesting. Heck, i actually dated a stripper....(and I am a succesful 'good looking' :) professional making very decent income).

Just like a stripper, I will tell you what you want to hear, feel out your self doubts, and use that to either stroke you or put you down. Women too are also easily manipulated by the other sex if looks are at a premium. We live in a shallow world where beauty has a worth, and reasons for that are biological.

grindonme
12-23-2008, 11:13 AM
I wonder if that is true. Do dancers really take time to compare notes on custies in the club? It would make sense if it was a really slow night, and there was very few custies. But any time there is more than 10 dancers and more than 10 customers, I don't see how this could work.

So I ask, dear dancers, do dancers compare notes on custies that are in the club? Or just of the exceptional ones, i.e., the really cheap ones and the really big spenders?

I think they do sometimes, i remember being in the stripclub once and turning down like 6 or 7 strippers in a row, when the next one came by i was feeling her so i said "yes" and she was like "are you for real or just playing with me". The whole way back to the lapdance area she was looking back at the other dancers, smiling and asking me "you're really gonna get one right".

parris_star
12-23-2008, 11:20 AM
I wonder if that is true. Do dancers really take time to compare notes on custies in the club? It would make sense if it was a really slow night, and there was very few custies. But any time there is more than 10 dancers and more than 10 customers, I don't see how this could work.

So I ask, dear dancers, do dancers compare notes on custies that are in the club? Or just of the exceptional ones, i.e., the really cheap ones and the really big spenders?



It's usually just a quick, "You see that guy over there? He's not tipping, good luck!" Then they walk away.
Or..."He's a very good customer". They point him out and walk away.
I don't think dancers mean to trade notes only because it is about competition, but it happens often.
I actually find the information useful because it gives me a heads up on whats going on with the custies in the club and helps me in figuring out my approach.

Phil-W
12-23-2008, 11:29 AM
actually phil, i am not selectively remembering. in fact i can remember tons of times when its only me and 2 other girls at the club and even though i was clearly the better looking one, the guy ends up dancing with the first girl who goes up to him, gets several dances from her, and leaves, all the while i was in his eyesight and waiting for the other girl to get done with him so i can approach him next. and no i am not over hyping myself, out of 20 girls i would never say im the best looking, but out of 3 i have a much higher chance.

pinkpuff - we all selectively remember; it's 'hardwired' into our brains and it's nothing we can do anything about. There are degrees of selectivity depending on how deeply we have considered an opinion and how emotionally involved we are in that opinion - but none of us are truly impartial in what we remember.

A trivial example is 'luck'. If we think we have good luck we'll tend to selectively remember all the good things that happened to us, and if we think we have bad luck we'll tend to selectively remember all the things that went wrong.

If we didn't selectively remember, we'd tend to reach the same opinions on most things because we'd each remember the same events in the same way. Instead, we tend to differ - sometimes heatedly.

As to selecting the first girl that walks up instead of you, there could be many reasons for it; it could be you're a blond and he likes brunettes, it could be that he's guessing she'll do a higher mileage dance than you (and guys tend to assume the prettier the girl, the lower the mileage) it could be he's only got 20 minutes before he's got to move on... There are many reasons a guy might chose one girl over another.

Phil.

veronicachick
12-23-2008, 11:36 AM
I wonder if that is true. Do dancers really take time to compare notes on custies in the club? It would make sense if it was a really slow night, and there was very few custies. But any time there is more than 10 dancers and more than 10 customers, I don't see how this could work.

So I ask, dear dancers, do dancers compare notes on custies that are in the club? Or just of the exceptional ones, i.e., the really cheap ones and the really big spenders?

doesn't really happen to me. I mean, if a customer is an asshole then we might talk about it in the back but for the most part, dancers don't tell(at least not to me.lol) who are the big spenders...
I guess every once in a while they might complain of a guy that didn't spend any money on them after spending time with them...

charlie61
12-23-2008, 12:26 PM
These pearls of wisdom are not just for strippers but women in general my dear. There's a premium on beauty (and strippers know this better than anyone), and the best value for your beauty in obtaining a husband is before the age of 30.



Umkay. So you were talking about strippers specifically, and not women in general? It sounded like you were making some pretty radical sweeping statements. Whatever. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Sort of. :P

stressed
12-23-2008, 03:01 PM
First post, so dont crucify me to bad. I tend to listen to the dancer when she first comes up and if the conversation is good i will entertain a dance. i go to these clubs for a stress relief that includes conversation, that i am happy to pay for. If a young lady is looking around while talking to me, asking me the usual first questions with no return thought, then i tend to pass regardless of how drop dead gorgeous she may be. In my line of work i am surrounded by beautiful women with some of the ugliest personalities, i do not need that in the club. I tend to be that guy that sticks with one girl for the night when i find her, and find it hard to let a girl go after i realize i made a mistake. I do care about her feelings and regardless of how bad it is going, i still do not want to hurt anyone. Dont get me wrong i am not a mr. nice guy, but i am not an ass either. As far as looks go, i do not care for blondes at all, but will not discount her if she is fun. she is just not the fantasy girl. that belongs to dark hair petite dancers that look just like charlies avatar, who tend to get every last dollar that i come with. I will have to say that i will give these dancers a little more time before i make a decision. Last, i always try to be nice with the dancer i deny, and hope she understands that it is just that......a personal decison.

Paris
12-23-2008, 05:51 PM
These pearls of wisdom are not just for strippers but women in general my dear. There's a premium on beauty (and strippers know this better than anyone), and the best value for your beauty in obtaining a husband is before the age of 30.

What year where you born? 1908?:rotfl:
Us females are allowed to own property and vote and all that stuff now.




Stripping world has connotation and 'life experience' that provides litttle of value and is only seen as negative in the real world. Its the reason why strippers hide the nature of their profession. Its also the reason why you never see strip clubs in 'decent' part of town even though only the 'decent' people visit high end ones. World is hypocritical and uses strippers, abuses their youth and reputation. Strippers make money. That's the trade.

Funny, it seems to have made a huge difference in my post-stripping life. My construction business is still chugging right along, thanks to knowing how to hustle, how to deal with sexual harassment, and knowing that if some guy can use power tools, so can I.



You forgot the entire quote. Large percentage of strippers don't save money before their careers as strippers get over due to pregnancy or becoming 'fat' (by fat...I mean too fat to strip world...still probably thin in the real world)

You can apply that statement to 90% of all Americans. How many retirees are looking at bread lines in their golden years that never stripped a day in their lives?




Do not misunderstand me in thinking that I am trying to talk you out of stripping. I enjoy strippers and love the service they provide. I am stating stripping business for what it is. Without strippers, world would be less interesting. Heck, i actually dated a stripper....(and I am a succesful 'good looking' :) professional making very decent income).

Just like a stripper, I will tell you what you want to hear, feel out your self doubts, and use that to either stroke you or put you down. Women too are also easily manipulated by the other sex if looks are at a premium. We live in a shallow world where beauty has a worth, and reasons for that are biological.

You are very naive. I don't care how old you are of how much money you make. There is much you don't know about the way of the world.

Tiggs
12-23-2008, 06:33 PM
What year where you born? 1908?:rotfl:
Us females are allowed to own property and vote and all that stuff now..

There are some truths that would ring true 1000 year ago, in present, and 1000 years from now. Just like there have been dancing girls throughout historical times....and will be in future as long as men get a 'boner.'






Funny, it seems to have made a huge difference in my post-stripping life. My construction business is still chugging right along, thanks to knowing how to hustle, how to deal with sexual harassment, and knowing that if some guy can use power tools, so can I.

Sure you learn how to hustle, but I put down that training is even better if you were sellling cars or insurance, as you were not dealing with guys with a 'hard on' to help with their decision making.


You can apply that statement to 90% of all Americans. How many retirees are looking at bread lines in their golden years that never stripped a day in their lives?
True...but they usually do not have a past that they have to shield.



You are very naive. I don't care how old you are of how much money you make. There is much you don't know about the way of the world
Yes..there's a lot to the world I don't know, and I hope to keep that naive feeling till the day I die so I don't put blinders on to new learning.

Everyone has a need to feel good about what they do and their lives. Yes, you are right that I am being naive about making your lives appear to be less fulfilling than it really is. I may not be able to empathize with your situation, but people are all different, and some strippers can possibly lead fulfiling and happy lives. ;)

Bottom line is that if you are happy, what should it really matter what a schmuck on a message board says. As long as you have some good friends, family that loves you and some money in the bank...you are golden.

Oksana23
12-27-2008, 06:52 PM
I have been to several strip clubs now and am amazed how fast the girls are approaching.

I have even had two dancers get into a fight over me. There wasn't any violence thank goodness!

Some of the dancers I have gotten are also getting quite agressive. I could say more but wanted to get some input first.

No, it is not your imagination! it is def. a sign of the times.
just a few short years ago I could walk up to almost any custie in my club, even ones that'd been sitting there for a half hour, and ask "so has anybody offered you a lapdance yet?" and he would say "nope, you're the 1st!" :O
ladies, I think we can all agree this is not likely to occur in todays club scene!

Across the nation as stage shows became a side, rather than the main attraction at men's clubs, dancers realized that to continue to make lots of money like they were used to, they would need to start doing more LD's.

The average dancer did not know how to "hustle" and was used to men choosing them via coming up to their stage. In this simpler time, the hottest dancer in club would always be the top earner, because the most custies would come up to tip her while she was on stage.

When this new "hustle" era was ushered in, it leveled the playing field(at least temporarily) as the girls quickly realized, that the hottest dancer was not neccasarily the one getting the most LD's. After all, she's only one person, she can't be everywhere at once like she could be in the stage era.

Sign of the times, too many girls have learned how to hustle, to the point where poor custies now feel like the bad guy every time they have to turn one down. Like powder puff has noted, a large number of men spend their money on only 1(sometimes 2) dancer(s) during their visit, and it's usually with the 1st one that approachs him.
So dancers are now all becoming desperate to be that 1st or 2nd girl to approach! It seems this annoying new era is now all about timing, and less and less about selling, and even looks!

lopaw
12-27-2008, 08:28 PM
What year where you born? 1908?:rotfl:
Us females are allowed to own property and vote and all that stuff now.



LOL !

Oh no!!
What am I waiting for??
I'd better go purty myself up real quick-like so's I can go catch me a MAN before all the good ones are TOOK!!!!!

::)::)::)

Tiggs
12-28-2008, 05:57 AM
LOL !

Oh no!!
What am I waiting for??
I'd better go purty myself up real quick-like so's I can go catch me a MAN before all the good ones are TOOK!!!!!

::)::)::)

Like it or not....They will be if you wait till you are 30 and beauty is a major part of your sell. I have a cousin who is very attractive, and a doctor, and still can't find a man as she's in her late 30's. Most stripppers do not want to be 'tied' to one man in their youth, when there is so much fish out there offering them money. That's an illusion of the strip club. Gals have the upper hand in the dating game in their youth, and after they turn 30, its fight for the scraps.

Phil-W
12-28-2008, 12:52 PM
So dancers are now all becoming desperate to be that 1st or 2nd girl to approach! It seems this annoying new era is now all about timing, and less and less about selling, and even looks!

And which may ultimately be a factor in the demise of the SC as we know about it. Many customers go to SC's for an evening's fun and relaxation. If they get hustled into oblivion from the moment they enter the door until the moment they leave, they'll decide there are alternative ways of spending their money.

And I think this is more the fault of club management than anyone else. If they put on more girls that the customer base can support, then individual girls have to hustle harder and harder because there's more competition for less money.

Short term, putting too many girls on papers over the (financial) cracks at the club, because they're still bringing in the same money from stage fees, etc. Longer term, having a strategy that reduces customer numbers is business suicide.

Phil.

lopaw
12-28-2008, 08:50 PM
Like it or not....They will be if you wait till you are 30 and beauty is a major part of your sell. I have a cousin who is very attractive, and a doctor, and still can't find a man as she's in her late 30's. Most stripppers do not want to be 'tied' to one man in their youth, when there is so much fish out there offering them money. That's an illusion of the strip club. Gals have the upper hand in the dating game in their youth, and after they turn 30, its fight for the scraps.


Well, since I'm a gay woman I guess I'm gonna be the big winner when all of those poor, over-the-hill but still very hot cougar strippers who can't "find a man" are out on the prowl. They'll just have to settle for little ole' me!!! ;D;D

charlie61
12-28-2008, 08:51 PM
^^ And since men retain their beauty until they die, I guess it's us poor ol' women who'll have to struggle to keep up to their clear superiority.

bsteve
12-28-2008, 09:05 PM
...Like powder puff has noted, a large number of men spend their money on only 1(sometimes 2) dancer(s) during their visit, and it's usually with the 1st one that approachs him.


A question to the dancers:
Is the above true? Do most guys spend their time with just one or two dancers during their visit?

(I personally like to get 2 to 4 dances from 3 or 4 dancers per visit, rather than more dances from fewer dancers. No, it's not a lot of dances, I admit, but I go in, get the dances, and head out ASAP)

pinkpuff
12-28-2008, 09:34 PM
his explains it all, the gumdrop could cost a nickel and if you went in and just picked one up and it turned out to be no good you're gonna feel like you wasted your money
no because I'm not that ridiculous


So then you end up sitting there and the quality cleavage is sitting somewhere else out of sight, and it's a tiny tragedy.
why dont you approach her? backlash girl isnt preventing you from approaching other girls! It makes me so mad when guys are clearly picky as hell yet they refuse to approach the dancer they want. They expect her to read minds and come to him. I cant tell you how many customers I go up to after they have been there for 2 hours and hear "ive been waiting for you to come over." Um why didnt you come up to me then! It makes our job a lot easier if you guys would take some initiative. We usually arent going to turn you down.


Its interesting to see a 20 -25 year old belittling a $20 for 3 minutes work. I would say that 99% of strippers couldn't make that per hour in Real world of Non-Stripping.{/quote]
If we were making 20 bucks every 3 minutes then I can understand what you are coming from. It is near impossible to make 20 bucks each 3 minutes though and sometimes we leave with less than 20 bucks for an 8 hour shift. so no, i definitely can and often do make more money doing other lines of work. Also you are assuming we do not have to chat a lot of customers ears off for that 20 bucks. You need to take into account the time wasted on hustling, the time walking around, the time taking waiting for customer, the time wasted going from one customer to another, etc, etc. We arent making 20 bucks every 3 minutes, no way. We might only be making 20 an hour, and yes i can easily make that much doing another job where idont have to worry about guys trying to lick, grope me, and feeling enormous hard cocks under innapropriately thin pants. For the kind of work we do, a lot of money is expected, so dont even try to compare it to say being a secretary. while i personally would much rather strip than be a secretary, the two lines of work are completely different and a stripper would expect much more money because of the KIND of work she is doing. For example, a hooker might expect 300 an hour. This is more than most other lines of work readily available for young women but think of the stuff you have to go through in that 1 hour! Would you be satisfied with say 20 bucks an hour of getting fucked up the ass? I doubt it. Stripping, like hoooking is not something most people want to do for several hours, whereas jobs like being a secretary is something one can do for like 10 hours a day. Its funny how you understand that the enviroment is hard on the girl yet you say we shouldnt belittle 20 bucks for 3 minutes. Your mysognisitic politics disgust me. id rather be a stripper till im 60 than marry a man and be his slave for money. Its disgusting that you assume we have no other choice but to be a stripper or a wife. This isnt the 1800s, we do have the ability to seek out other jobs. I also find it disgusting that you think beauty is based on how young you are. I know plenty of beautiful people age 40 and up. Wrinkles dont necessarily mean ugly. Beauty is about symmetry and health and you can have both at ANY age. there are plenty of ugly 20 year olds and plenty of gorgeous 50 year olds. the whole idea that beauty is about youth seems really sick and pedophilish to me.
Though I think you are a troll after your hillarious usage of "pearls of wisdom" lol i for one think that the payment for being a 24/7 silent slave aka marrying for money is nowhere near worth it. I wouldn't do it for a billion dolalrs.
[quote]I am the one usually asking them to talk about themselves
are you paying them to do this? if not you are wasting their time and thats very very rude. I dont go to work to have people pry into my personal life, in fact it annoys me when they try to find out anything about me. I also doubt you are good looking. men who say they are good looking are usually not. men who need to go into a strip club to look for a wife because they failed in the real world also tend to be unnattractive.


True...but they usually do not have a past that they have to shield.
Lmao is it like 2 out of 5 women that were sexually abused by age 18? 2 out of 5 women are definately NOT stripping, because wed have a hell of a lot more strippers if they were! People with a past work in ALL types of professions. hell a lot of them are nurses because they want to help people because they were hurt so much in the past. are you going to talk bad about nurses now too?


So dancers are now all becoming desperate to be that 1st or 2nd girl to approach! It seems this annoying new era is now all about timing, and less and less about selling, and even looks!
Completely agree. Its totally about being at the right place at the write time. Ive even worked at a club where I would never hear no unless the guy wasnt planning on buying dances. The girls at this club were all gorgeous and if you sat with any guy for 10 minutes or more (which you had to do at this club, this wasnt a quick hustle club) he would get dances with you. Very rarely did anyone wait for a specific dancer, so it was all about trying to spot who in the room has the most money and spending time with him.


Like it or not....They will be if you wait till you are 30 and beauty is a major part of your sell.
Lmao you are basically implying that good guys are all shallow pedophiles who would only dare look at a woman who is young and pretty. Not true. Ive found the most awesome guys really dont care much about looks at all. And the sane ones over the age of 40 would usually rather NOT date someone under 30. In fact I have had many guys who i have liked who have been 7-20 years older than me who couldnt do a relationship with me because the age difference freaked them out. what gives huh. According to you all quality guys want em pretty and barely legal.

Otoki
12-31-2008, 12:06 PM
Its interesting to see a 20 -25 year old belittling a $20 for 3 minutes work. I would say that 99% of strippers couldn't make that per hour in Real world of Non-Stripping.

Stripping world is hard on the girl. Smoke filled rooms, alcohol, rubbing bodies with strangers. Most strippers I know are single mom, and if they get married it doesn't last. Strippers almost always spend the money they earn, and the money faucet ends rather abruptly when they turn 30.

Eventually they start turning tricks, if they haven't got fat, or end up marrying the PL they wouldn't have looked at a few years back.

There is no such thing as easy money in this world. You pay for it one way or the other. My advice...Youth is extremely precious to a girl. Use it to snatch a good hubby. Beauty will fade, and if your self worth is determined by that....so will that. Remember 20 to 30 is only 10 years of your life....You are stuck with 'fading beauty syndrome ' for 50 years after that.
WOW. Thanks for that incredible insight!

Here's a tip: don't post generalizations about entire demographics of people (in this case, strippers) based on whatever stereotypes you happen to favor at the moment. It makes you look ignorant and a bit douchy.

Otoki
12-31-2008, 12:12 PM
^^ and since men retain their beauty until they die, i guess it's us poor ol' women who'll have to struggle to keep up to their clear superiority.
bwahahahaha!

Otoki
12-31-2008, 12:15 PM
Like it or not....They will be if you wait till you are 30 and beauty is a major part of your sell. I have a cousin who is very attractive, and a doctor, and still can't find a man as she's in her late 30's. Most stripppers do not want to be 'tied' to one man in their youth, when there is so much fish out there offering them money. That's an illusion of the strip club. Gals have the upper hand in the dating game in their youth, and after they turn 30, its fight for the scraps.
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