View Full Version : Who's out of whose league?
yoda57us
12-25-2008, 02:43 AM
I've never had a really good body image of myself, but I do have self-assurance (now) from being generous, communicative, and clever enough to interest some attractive women, and I've done overall about as well as I've wanted. So maybe that's why I don't appreciate the smugness in dancers that leads to consideration of 'leagues.
This is an excellent point. My experiences have been similar to yours. Over time and maturity, both in and out of strip clubs, my manner of dealing with women in general and many dancers in particular has taught me that how I see myself is not always as important as how others see me. It has also lessened my patience with dancers, no matter how beautiful, who exude any sort of superiority complex.
rlams2000
12-25-2008, 10:17 AM
No. We go to clubs to get away from the truth. :)
Amen to that! If I walked into a club and I thought the dancers and I were in the same 'league' IRL, I would turn around and walk out.
threlayer
12-25-2008, 10:28 AM
^^ It's the Woody Allen thing switched to strip clubs. :)
Amen to that! If I walked into a club and I thought the dancers and I were in the same 'league' IRL, I would turn around and walk out.
Ha! Dude this is so true. If the dancers aren't way better looking than me, what's the point?
FBR
Tiggs
12-26-2008, 07:59 PM
I think its a case of being deluded misrepresentation (lying) when 40-50 year old guys want to see strippers OTC. Majority just want sex with strippers and are deluded that once outside, they can charm the stripper and get in her pants with relationship talk. They think they can get sex without having to pay the escort fees for similarly good looking escort. Its about trying to stretch the money for some pussy. Its not about having relationship...even though they think that's the conduit into a gal's pants. Fuck, no 40-50 year old male wants a kid again after having gone through it in their 20'sor 30's. Its not about leagues in most cases.
threlayer
12-27-2008, 10:39 AM
Not a 'kid' just a sexy young woman that they have become unrealistically infatuated with.
BB1984
12-27-2008, 12:12 PM
I think that the majority of the time dancers and customers are both out of each others league. From my experience most dancers won't seriously date a customer, and most customers won't seriously date a dancer.
Bob_Loblaw
12-27-2008, 01:30 PM
Initially I ignored this thread but seeing as though it's generated a lot of discussion, I decided to check it out.
The conceit (and shallowness) of this is still rather fantastic. It takes getting to know a person before there can be any meaningful discussion of "leagues."
Unless you are giving every single dancer an equal opportunity for you to get to know her prior to determining how to distribute your business, you're being hypocritical.
PHYSICALLY speaking... 98% of the guys I meet at work are out of my league.. simply because I'm a decent looking young lady and most of em are ugly old men.
Ha you just haven't met me
You mean you're only 98% ugly old man FBR? http://gprime.net/board/images/smilies/harhar.gif
The way for customers to come into a SC without getting emotionally involved is to treat it purely as a form of entertainment
QFT. I go into clubs knowing that I'm going to see women who otherwise wouldn't talk to me or look my way in real life. I know that these women are going to feign interest in me, what I say, what I do, etc. while at the same time not really caring about me, what I say, what I do, etc. I'm prepared for the fact some dancers may talk about me with other dancers and club staff. I know that the club is their place of work and as soon as the money stops flowing, the show is over.
A SC is purely a place for entertainment. If you go in for any other reason than that, you're never going to be completely satisfied with your experience.
It's just that for me it ruins the club experience to think certain dancers look at me (and other customers) as some sort of lower life forms. I don't look down on dancers because of what they do; they should not look down on me because I happen to come to their place of business. So this whole "league" question goes to the level of enjoyment of the club experience itself.
Are you a sports fan? Most fans have an emotional attachment to their teams and the players on them. But is that feeling reciprocated by the players? Generally, no. Do athletes conduct themselves in ways that demonstrate they're just like every blue collar worker that helps to pay their million dollar salaries? No. If anything, they behave like people who believe (rightly or wrongly) they are in a league above you. Knowing this, does it stop the enjoyment of people going to football games on Sundays? Of course not.
What's keeping you from enjoying the strip club experience isn't what you perceive to be the dancers' opinions of you. It's your own expectations of dancers and the club. Learn to change your mindset and you'll enjoy yourself much more.
You mean you're only 98% ugly old man FBR? http://gprime.net/board/images/smilies/harhar.gif
A message board is a place to bust chops, flirt with the ladies and to generally have fun. So in that spirit... :finger: You know you want to be me when you grow up ;)
FBR
Bob_Loblaw
12-27-2008, 02:09 PM
LOL!
I dare to dream FBR... I dare to dream...
mediocrity
12-27-2008, 07:02 PM
Ha! Dude this is so true. If the dancers aren't way better looking than me, what's the point?
FBR
Best answer!}:D
threlayer
12-28-2008, 10:33 AM
A message board is a place to bust chops, flirt with the ladies and to generally have fun....
Flirting with the ladies here is ALLOWED? Who woulda known? Now you tell me! ;)
rlams2000
12-28-2008, 09:15 PM
Flirt with the ladies? I thought they were flirting with us.
Golden_Rule
12-29-2008, 01:42 AM
I think that the majority of the time dancers and customers are both out of each others league. From my experience most dancers won't seriously date a customer, and most customers won't seriously date a dancer.
"Seriously" being the key word in both situations. :)
As I tried to point out above, it isn't something most people should break out in a sweat over.
The effect works both ways and is a simple result of the dynamic in play.
When push comes to shove the answer to the question of whose out of whose league is: Both and neither.
Golden_Rule
12-29-2008, 01:47 AM
I just realize that in the normal world, a old fat guy is not gonna pull a young decent looking girl. It's not a personal attack towards any of the customers... its just physically speaking.
Yet it happens all the time.
What I think you mean is that such "relationships" are usually made upon an exchange of compensations.
What some of the dancers don't realize is that the leagues are "equalized" and each is paying, because while that young, sexy, dancer isn't getting near that old, fat, dude without some cash being exchange; that fat, old, dude isn't getting near that young, sexy, dancer unless she's exchanging something of at least as much value to him.
Bottom line: We ALL pay. We just use different mediums of exchange.
threlayer
12-29-2008, 10:00 AM
From another perspective, I have RARELY found a dancer who is in my 'league' in terms of life experience, maturity level, intelligence, and range of interests.
And those qualities don't start going away in a few years.
Ruby Ruckus
12-29-2008, 03:09 PM
From another perspective, I have RARELY found a dancer who is in my 'league' in terms of life experience, maturity level, intelligence, and range of interests.
And those qualities don't start going away in a few years.
i find this a little condescending. i work with at least a handful of absolutely brilliant women, and even regular women who are very funny, wise beyond their years, or have a lot of really cool hobbies. but these are things it takes more than ten minutes of conversation to learn about someone. when we sit with you and ask you what you do for a living, and you reply "computer programmer", we learn instantly that you are good with technology and numbers, but just knowing that we are dancers provides you with no hint as to our talents, intelligence level, or interests.
many of us are not ourselves at work. most guys would rather buy a dance with the flirty, sexy, complimentary girl than with the smart, physics major girl. so we act the way that we know will make us the most money. it doesn't pay to talk about ourselves when we could be talking about you, because guys that come into strip clubs want to feel special, want to be flattered, and want to have fun. who the fuck cares if i can ballroom dance or have a degree in bioengineering if playing dumb makes the cash flow?
threlayer
12-29-2008, 09:38 PM
i find this a little condescending. i work with at least a handful of absolutely brilliant women, and even regular women who are very funny, wise beyond their years, or have a lot of really cool hobbies. but these are things it takes more than ten minutes of conversation to learn about someone...
I found this entire leagues discussion condescending, as well. Especially so because neither of us should really be 'shopping.' So I thought I'd re-define leagues to throw a little salsa into the mashed potatoes.
An aside...
When there has been time available for talking, I do try to engage the dancer. A lot of them find our talking of other things than breasts, dance techniques, platforms, club politics,etc. to be a welcome break. Believe me, I am not superficial, but I certainly do not run tests on dancers I interact with. So I cannot give statistics and never intended to try. Not that I haven't become friends with several. The few I have been impressed with had significant other lives. But the one I most appreciated (she was starting to appreciate me as well) had other life plans involving moving, new career, etc.
pinkpuff
12-30-2008, 06:58 AM
It's interesting that many dancers seem to feel they are out of customers' league. Sometimes this is put rather crudely. Maybe it's just the toxic SC environment that leads to such sentiments, but I have never looked down on dancers and won't allow them to look down on me. Since my early 20s I have gone to clubs maybe three times a year; it is just a fantasy I need to indulge now and then. Maybe dancers who are tempted to degrade customers should realize that we have club personas, too. In a club I tend to be submissive and to like some gentle domination. That doesn't make me a loser. Outside the club I am married 20+ years to a great and gorgeous woman and have two terrific kids; I am a business owner with an annual 220K income. As for looks, in my 20s I would have been considered a pretty good catch; today I would still be so considered among women in my age range, if I were in the market, which I am not. So why should I think anyone, any dancer, is "out of my league"? I'm respectful of dancers; I don't consider that they "are" their club personas. Why should I not be respected in turn?
Saying someone is out of someone else's league isnt looking down on someone or disrespecting them ,its being honest and realistic. We all belong to "leagues"
I am still nice to people who are out of my league but i do get insulted when they try to date me. THAT is when they lose my respect. If they act nice and respectful towards me and dont expect me to be attracted to them then i respect them back and they actually win points for being so modest and or realistic. As far as people whose league I am out of, I know well enough than to even bother with them and they dont interest me anyway, i guess because we are in totally different leagues. I am attracted to people in the same league as me, not below or above it. I wish more people were the same way. wed have more happy and less lonely people in this world.
Anyway if dancers were NOT out of your league then why would you pay for their company? You dont go to a strip club to get a dance from a girl you could easily fuck for free. Ideally every dancer in the club would be out of your league because guys seem to always want girls out of their leagues while girls for some reason settle for guys below their leagues lol.
As for the submissive thing, no of course that doesnt make you a loser. To me that makes you the perfect customer lol.
pinkpuff
12-30-2008, 07:01 AM
In the club sometimes it's just a shabby fantasyland; if you made, say, a million or more a year, then they 'd look at you, thinking they could get in your pocket somehow. Then you'd be in their 'league.' Besides if you and they (so they say) aren't out to pick up someone, what the heck is the idea/purpose of leagues anyway? Isn't that just someone's fantasy?
That's my opinion of what happens sometimes, not always.
not true. Youd be a huge target for golddiggers who will pretend to fawn all over you, but making milions a year doesnt push up your league.
pinkpuff
12-30-2008, 07:09 AM
Ha you just haven't met me ;)
Seriously, it is all fun. The 2% that do meet your criteria are probably a reward for you putting up with us ugly old men. Even if those guys don't have any money. I suppose if you only waste 2% of your work time that is a better average than in most industries. I'm pretty sure my employees waste a heck of a lot more time than that.
FBR
um no, theyre not. We arent there to find dates, we are there to work. I could give a flying shit what my customers look like. I dont see dancing for a hot guy a "reward." Dancing for a respectful guy who keeps his hands to himself and is a generous tipper. THAT is a reward no matter what he looks like. Its not like dancing for an unnattractive guy is any worse than dancing for an attractive one. its the exact same thing.
And even if the guys doesnt have any money? I dont care how hot someone is, if you have no money you need to stay out of strip clubs. Unwillingness to spend in a strip club enviroment is one thing that will turn a handsome guy into a hideous one real fast. That and being grabby or pervy.
Yes leagues do exist but someone being hot doesnt automatically make them a "reward" of any kind. And seriously most men seem to think rather highly of themselves so almost all of them are going to think that they are that 2 percent. I would hate to have to deal with customers who see themselves as a "reward" theyd probably expect extra shit and get pissed off when i dont give them my number. Oh wait I do already deal with a ton of customers like that ::)
Since a strip club is not a dating pool, so we are told, why does this topic even come up for air? What if the league was not about appearance, but about some other desirable quality, like education or how fast one could tear down/rebuild an engine or audit a set of accounting books? Then most of the strippers would be out of many customers' leagues. But what does any of that matter in a club?
Or is this about compensation for something else?
Who has an answer out there?
Ironically enough a lot of customers i talk to either went to a shittier school than i did or did not get as far along in their degrees as I did.
Actually I think the money thing keeps it much cleaner and definitely more in perspective. I'm not a retard...I understand that for free a backwards baseball cap wearing baggy pants no money mother fucker would be the preference. But when the rent is due and he is sleeping on your couch for free instead of contributing that is when an old guy with money shines.
EWWWWW what backwards no standards ghetto strippers do you surround yourself with? I havent been stupid enough to be attracted to a guy who wears baggy jeans and a backwards cap since i was 13! Gross gross gross. Ill take the old guy any day over a guy like this. Money or not. I prefer someone with SOME sense of style.
pinkpuff
12-30-2008, 07:43 AM
Well, lots of responses. To clarify (original poster here), I don't want to date dancers and I'm not deluded enough to think a 22-year-old dancer wants to drag a 40-something guy off to bed (or should want to). It's just that for me it ruins the club experience to think certain dancers look at me (and other customers) as some sort of lower life forms. I don't look down on dancers because of what they do; they should not look down on me because I happen to come to their place of business. So this whole "league" question goes to the level of enjoyment of the club experience itself. But enough said I guess -- except that arrogance and dismissinveness don't become anyone.
Just saying that you are not "deluded enough to think..." shows that you already know that you are out of that person's league. I mean you obviously know leagues exist and they are not about belittling other people...but you dont seem to want to admit it I guess. If you truly thought leagues would not exist then you would not think that wanting to date a 22 year old would be "delusional" (though I personally dont think age necessarily puts you out of someones league)
From another perspective, I have RARELY found a dancer who is in my 'league' in terms of life experience, maturity level, intelligence, and range of interests.
And those qualities don't start going away in a few years.
Um I dont know about maturity level and life experience, but intelligence and range of interest DOES in fact decrease with age. If they didnt then people over 80 would all be working still, senility wouldnt exist, and all old people would be out bungee jumping and taking up new hobbies every week. You seem to think really really highly of yourself. I too have low self esteem and find people like you rather gross.
Golden_Rule
12-31-2008, 12:20 AM
not true. Youd be a huge target for golddiggers who will pretend to fawn all over you, but making milions a year doesnt push up your league.
Sure it does... that is what you aren't understanding.
There is not ONE criteria that makes a person attractive to another. There are many.
Looks are only one. Intelligence is another. Character is yet another. Kindness. Affection. Status. Wealth.
These things ALL go together to establish ones desire ability to the opposite sex.
As I said above, in this shallow bit of business we are discussing men are definitely paying with one form of desirability: In this case money. The women are paying with another: Access to the physical form. Not just in looks most of the time but in actual physical access of one degree or another.
Neither is going to give the other what they want unless they get something from them in trade. So all things are equal and EVERYONE is paying. They are just paying with different forms of gelt.
Its just fair business. Why can't folks just understand that and let it go already. :)
pinkpuff
12-31-2008, 02:41 AM
Sure it does... that is what you aren't understanding.
Nope sorry, it doesnt. Wealth doesnt increase the quality of a person. There are plenty of evil or stupid people in this world who are wealthy. Take Paris Hilton and all the retarded heirs she dates for example. Wealth is only impressive when the person who has that wealth obtained it because of his/her briliance. Otherwise it is irrelevant
Phil-W
12-31-2008, 05:09 AM
...in this shallow bit of business we are discussing men are definitely paying with one form of desirability: In this case money. The women are paying with another: Access to the physical form. Not just in looks most of the time but in actual physical access of one degree or another.
An accurate analysis. The problem comes when self esteem/ego starts to take over from logic. A good number of customers are sensible enough to accept it's a primarily 'business' relationship.
A substantial percentage however take the fake affection that is showered on them as being real and assume that this can be transformed into genuine affection outside of the club. I've always though that why many regulars keep coming back and spending - whereas they wouldn't if they thought it was a purely 'business' relationship.
So part of this question about leagues come from the fact that we're all (at one time or another) driven as much by emotion as logic and don't want to confront the reality that the majority of a dancer's interest in us as customers is financial.
...Wealth doesn't increase the quality of a person...
I've always thought that 'old money' is so much nicer than 'new money'. People that have had money for several generations don't feel the need to impress people with their wealth.
...Um I don't know about maturity level and life experience, but intelligence and range of interest DOES in fact decrease with age. If they didn't then people over 80 would all be working still, senility wouldn't exist, and all old people would be out bungee jumping and taking up new hobbies every week.
Studies suggest that our intellectual capacity starts to decline when we stop exercising it. Which is why people well into their eighties are still mentally very sharp, while others are starting to decline in their fifties.
Physical decline is different and more age dependent - yet it can still be held at bay until late in life with regular exercise. There are studies showing 90 year old's can improve their physical condition with exercise.
(And I can't resist mentioning it - the oldest working dancer in London is over 60. I believe she only works part time now, but she's still got more regulars than many dancers).
Phil.
stressed
12-31-2008, 10:48 AM
leagues-wtf.........i do not believe in leagues and never will.
I am 38---valedictorian of my class and was awarded all kinds of academic and sports accolades. attended 3 different colleges and have 3 degrees in 176 hours with one being in psych. i made my first million before the age of 25 and have dated younger/older shy/outspoken hot/homely women. very few people know much about my personal life and i feel safe enough here that i will never meet any of you people. i live below my means---i want people to like me for who i am and if they dont then screw them. I would be to damn confused to try to find someone in my "league"---most of them are snobby little bitches that look down on everyone that can not afford to do the same things they can or be able to go to the doctor and totally remake their bodies---because they are so fucking vain that it hurts.
none of what i typed above means shit-------who cares about that garbage except those that go looking for happiness with constraints.
i go to clubs to relieve tension and forget for a couple of hours about all the families with children that depend on me making the right decisions for my company so they may keep their jobs for years to come. I do not have time for a relationship and i love meeting different people. going to a club to date a dancer is just stupid anyway. i dont want people to fuck with me while i am at work and i expect they feel the same way.
leagues do not exist to people of character-------------------Look into their soul and forget the rest of the shit.
i realize i will probably get some shit over this post but it is an opinion and i am who i am and make no apologies
Corey
12-31-2008, 12:31 PM
'League' is a funny concept. Before I moved to LA,CA I held a similar concept on 'league' and 'hirarachy' (sp?) amongst dancers. I always that that the 'Barbies' and the really young looking, waify strippers were at the top.
Then I started dancing down here. I figured I would be surrounded by the 'Barbies'. I worked out and spray tanned and got my hair highlighted even blonder because I felt I had to be as 'Barbie' as possible to compete.
Well, I was shocked to see some of the women who danced. Some of them had bodies that ,at the time, if I ever looked like that, I would never want to be seen in public, let alone naked on a stage!!
But, I learned something. That was IMO. There are guys who would rather get a dance from a dancer w/ stretch, marks, a sagging tummy and an angry looking face than someone fit, cute and healthy like me. Hence , the idea of 'league' has just diminished. (It happened to me the last time I worked. A dancer who is not only older, but looks it, a hanging tummy and a mean face but nice personality and nice boobs was getting all this attention from 3 young Latin guys. I could not get a dance from them to save my life. I tried.:-\)
I can say the same for custies: a lot of the custies that my co-workers think are hot, I would never look twice at. Does that mean they are out of my 'league'. No. It just means that they are not my type and I'm not attracted to them.
And the dancers: If they are old and tired looking, over-weight, no style and/or rude, does that make them below me when it comes to 'league'? Well, if they are getting more dances than me , that kind of puts them in a 'league' above me for that moment.
It's all relative.
zoe69
01-03-2009, 06:59 AM
Most of the time we are out of each others league, for a whole bunch of difrerent reasons!!!
No need to defend myself, life is relative!:D For most of the time we live in two complitely diferent realities or outlooks on life! There are exeptions to the rule, ofcourse!
The best thing to do is to take it like that, enjoy the moment, exchange the benefits and have fun!!!
Gwennnnnn
01-03-2009, 11:29 AM
Okay, on this board, this discussion is one thing, but I would like to say that I am SO sick of guys coming into the club and engaging in this kind of conversation with me. They want to have an intellectual discussion about the socio economic dynamics of a strip club, trying to ultimately accuse me of "only being in it for the money" and "not being into them at all." I know that they are really just being insecure/ trying to fuck with my head/or something else. To those types of customers I say: Can't we just have fun? Relax, and just let me keep teasing you and creating fantasies....
hockeybobby
01-03-2009, 11:43 AM
We all belong to the same league. We are all connected.
Political_Junkie
01-04-2009, 03:37 AM
How can anything in a strip club be taken seriously?
I know a dozen women IRL that feel they are out of 98% of men's "leagues"; that I doubt could earn a day's lunch as a stripper. Who cares?
That being the case, why would I care if strippers feel the same way? I agree it can be "off-putting" reading it so blatantly stated; but that's only because you're conditioned to the fake affection in the club.
I have never felt like anyone was "out of my league"; but [a] I sure as Hell know a SC isn't a place to try and judge my worth, and [b] if all the women IRL looked like strippers, we'd probably all be conditioned by now to believe "ugly" girls were more desirable.
Before I'd ever get too hurt by the comments here about how I'm an ugly, old worthless fart -- I'd think about how that table gets severely turned on women; no?
Do you think McCain's wife is hot? I don't; and I am 100% sure it is only due to her age [and politics, but that's irrelevant here.] How much money would the original poster spend at an over-40-girls SC? Not much? I guess they'd be "out of your league"?
In the long haul, men's leagues shrink more slowly than women's. That's slowly changing, of course -- but for now I think there's no question the field is tilted towards men.
Lucky us.
Golden_Rule
01-05-2009, 02:40 AM
Nope sorry, it doesnt. Wealth doesnt increase the quality of a person. There are plenty of evil or stupid people in this world who are wealthy. Take Paris Hilton and all the retarded heirs she dates for example. Wealth is only impressive when the person who has that wealth obtained it because of his/her briliance. Otherwise it is irrelevant
And there are plenty of very pretty women who are evil and/or stupid as well.
Very politely I point out your arguement lacks logic.
We aren't talking "quality" here, we are talking basic attactions. What puts someone in any sort of "league".
Attraction factors are: beauty, power, wealth, fame [infamy for some], sometimes but rarely intelligence [wish it was though].
This is pretty basic stuff. I don't see how you can argue the counter-point effectively [though I am sure you'll try]. :)
Golden_Rule
01-05-2009, 02:48 AM
leagues-wtf.........i do not believe in leagues and never will.
'League' is a funny concept.
The concepts of "leagues", in general, I find to be a younger persons view of reality.
As you get older you find that the people in your "league" are those who give you good cause to feel good about being with them, for any number of various reasons.
Golden_Rule
01-05-2009, 02:58 AM
...accuse me of "only being in it for the money" and "not being into them at all."
But you are in it for the money, and I for one won't suggest you shouldn't be. Anyone doing a job where the main interest is being paid is doing it for the money, which means about 99% of the work force in this country. Why should dancers be any different?
And you aren't into them, meaning me and people like me, or if you are its totally tangential to the point. You are there to work. Is my doctor into me when s/he examines me? MY lawyer when he goes over a contract? My plumber when he fixes my sink?
You are a service provider, providing a service. As the consumer of that service I should only require you be proficient at your craft and provide good value for my money.
To those types of customers I say: Can't we just have fun? Relax, and just let me keep teasing you and creating fantasies....
Acknowledging the logic and reality of the above doesn't mean that smart people can't also make it entertaining and have fun. I can laugh with my doctor. Find my female lawyer sexy as all get out [not that I'd be getting a lap dance from her]. Talk sports with my plumber. In the process we each feel better about being there, I spending money, the other earning it by providing the service for which I am paying.
Strip-clubs are places of BUSINESS, after all.
pinkpuff
01-05-2009, 02:59 AM
And there are plenty of very pretty women who are evil and/or stupid as well.
Very politely I point out your arguement lacks logic.
We aren't talking "quality" here, we are talking basic attactions. What puts someone in any sort of "league".
Attraction factors are: beauty, power, wealth, fame [infamy for some], sometimes but rarely intelligence [wish it was though].
This is pretty basic stuff. I don't see how you can argue the counter-point effectively [though I am sure you'll try]. :)
difference is, being pretty is impressive in and of itself. being wealthy ISNT. The only time it is impressive is when it is paired with something else that is impressive such as intelligence or good business sense. powerful people are liked for their power, not so much for their wealth alone. whereas people are liked for their looks alone.
i guess to a few really dumb people some redneck who won the lottery might be in a "high league" but to the general public its not impressive.
Golden_Rule
01-05-2009, 03:06 AM
difference is, being pretty is impressive in and of itself. being wealthy ISNT.
Tell that to Warren Buffet. {LOL}
On what planet do you reside where wealth isn't impressive in and of itself?
It not only is impressive in and of itself, but it frequently translates into power and/or celebrity, which are a couple of other little items that are attractive in and of themselves.
doc-catfish
01-05-2009, 09:07 AM
difference is, being pretty is impressive in and of itself.
No it isn't. Particularly if one who was given such a gift thinks that make them better than those who were not so fortunate in that department.
being wealthy ISNT.
If it was earned wealth, I'd humbly disagree. It also should be stated that unlike appearance, wealth can appreciate if managed properly. It can be passed on to descendants or charities after one passes away.
Physical attractiveness tends to go the other way. I mean, thanks to modern medicine one can have things done to help slow the decay, but ultimately its a losing battle, and such means of course require wealth to make use of them.
So make use of that gift while you can.
stressed
01-05-2009, 09:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkpuff
difference is, being pretty is impressive in and of itself.
Yeah---
paris hilton
brittany spears
pam anderson
lindsay lohan
and many other fkd up hollywood types just impress the shit out of me.
its amazing how they could have so much going for them and still they find ways to screw up their lives. to think two people one night got together and bam one of these impressive beautiful little babies was conceived. And some how they believe all should bow down and let them get away with anything because they are pretty.
I will say that any person that has looks only going for them and finds a profession that they do very well at is impressive. they have taken what they were born with and are making the best of it. but not just being pretty in itself
zoe69
01-06-2009, 03:23 AM
These arguments are purelly subjective. It's hard to juge what another person mind find atractive, but I belive it comes with a certain level of intelligence, otherwise it will eventually fade away. Even beauty is in the eyes of a beholder, Different people will find different things attractive and I don't belive there's a particular law abaut it.
threlayer
01-13-2009, 12:22 PM
um no, theyre not. We arent there to find dates, we are there to work. I could give a flying shit what my customers look like. I dont see dancing for a hot guy a "reward." Dancing for a respectful guy who keeps his hands to himself and is a generous tipper. THAT is a reward no matter what he looks like. Its not like dancing for an unnattractive guy is any worse than dancing for an attractive one. its the exact same thing.
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Yes leagues do exist but someone being hot doesnt automatically make them a "reward" of any kind. And seriously most men seem to think rather highly of themselves so almost all of them are going to think that they are that 2 percent. I would hate to have to deal with customers who see themselves as a "reward" theyd probably expect extra shit and get pissed off when i dont give them my number....
You almost started to understand what I've been expressing, but then you regressed. If you aren't there to make dates where your main criteria is appearance (leagues) then why are you even bringing up the topic? Outside of the club, people are attracted to others by many factors, not just appearance. To the extent that appearance is your only judging factor for attraction ('in my league'), you are going to be disappointed in the other factors you have ignored. So good luck with that.
And about men "thinking highly of themselves", I guess you mean unrealistically highly, men and women should have a high opinion of themselves, as long as it is not unrealistically too high. Otherwise we shoot too low in our expectations of ourselves and we underperform in life. Too highly and we annoy others with our vanity.
threlayer
01-13-2009, 12:35 PM
From another perspective, I have RARELY found a dancer who is in my 'league' in terms of life experience, maturity level, intelligence, and range of interests.
And those qualities don't start going away in a few years.
Um I dont know about maturity level and life experience, but intelligence and range of interest DOES in fact decrease with age. If they didnt then people over 80 would all be working still, senility wouldnt exist, and all old people would be out bungee jumping and taking up new hobbies every week.
The above shows your inexperience with older people. Also you are talking about an extreme which doesn't support your position. A lot of people get burned out by bad experiences and just shut down; a lot of people have health problems that restrict what they can do. Age does have something to do with that. But bungee jumping, intelligence related???
You seem to think really really highly of yourself. I too have low self esteem and find people like you rather gross.
It is obvious that you have no idea about me. Not that I care in the least what you think of me, but you have no more realistic basis to judge me than I have a basis of judging you. But the vanity and "thinking really really highly of (one)self" I have read in this thread is just completely out of sight. And that does offend me.
mediocrity
01-14-2009, 04:11 PM
difference is, being pretty is impressive in and of itself.
I've stayed out of this for the most part but wow... you're kidding me right?
Some of the prettiest girls can have the ugliest personalities, due to the fact they think their prettiness is just so damn impressive. I don't find that particularly remarkable.
When your outsides and your insides match, THAT is what is special.
Darkfall
01-14-2009, 07:16 PM
Of course the girls are out my league! I wouldn't be paying for their company if they weren't ;) That's kind of the whole point...
latingod
01-15-2009, 12:50 PM
Ok, after reading through this....of course the girls are out of my league...we play in different leagues...I go to strip clubs just for fun, not looking to play in the same league....though every now and then you find a girl that might be in your league or close to it... and something might develop, but still there are parts that will have to be experimented with before plating in the same league....
bem401
01-15-2009, 12:58 PM
being pretty is impressive in and of itself.
^^^^ The very definition of shallow ( and totally subjective to boot).
saphire123456
01-15-2009, 01:31 PM
^^^^ The very definition of shallow ( and totally subjective to boot).
a. i'd rather be really hot and really shallow versus the alternative (thats why ugly people pride themselves on their personalities)
b. actually being attractive is mostly not subjective. you know symmetry, clear skin, appearance of youth, ...- all universal and measurable
mediocrity
01-15-2009, 02:46 PM
a. i'd rather be really hot and really shallow versus the alternative (thats why ugly people pride themselves on their personalities)
b. actually being attractive is mostly not subjective. you know symmetry, clear skin, appearance of youth, ...- all universal and measurable
I agree with you on the beauty issue, but not on the hot and shallow. I'd rather be anything but shallow.
Sometimes I see these groups of girls in the mall and I wonder if they truly dont think about larger things than the task at hand.
saphire123456
01-15-2009, 02:53 PM
lol.....breathe...chew gum (lather, rinse, repeat)}:D
threlayer
01-15-2009, 03:45 PM
a. i'd rather be really hot and really shallow versus the alternative (thats why ugly people pride themselves on their personalities)
So beauty is an excuse to have a snotty personality? I don't think you mean that.
Kylea2
01-15-2009, 03:57 PM
a. i'd rather be really hot and really shallow versus the alternative (thats why ugly people pride themselves on their personalities)
b. actually being attractive is mostly not subjective. you know symmetry, clear skin, appearance of youth, ...- all universal and measurable
I would say the opposite. Technology has allowed for anyone to be "hot" with the right amount of surgeries. See the case of Cindy Jackson http://www.cindyjackson.com/my_cosmetic_surgery2.php and then look up the golden mean as it relates to plastic surgery. However, a pleasant personality and being smart seems to me a lot more important... it lasts longer and will be more beneficial in the long run.