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lemmiwinks31
01-15-2009, 04:17 PM
a. i'd rather be really hot and really shallow versus the alternative (thats why ugly people pride themselves on their personalities)



yeah....kind of like fake jewelry.....

looks real good from a distance(maybe even up close if it doesnt talk).......but in actuality......pretty much worthless.

mediocrity
01-15-2009, 05:35 PM
yeah....kind of like fake jewelry.....

looks real good from a distance(maybe even up close if it doesnt talk).......but in actuality......pretty much worthless.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u190/KamotTom/awesome.jpg

MarvelGirl
01-15-2009, 06:20 PM
You know, I'm sorry, but so much of this is just stupid. There's no reason in this day and age why people can't have it all.

Some of you guys who bitch about leagues need to do something about your life if it bothers you so much. If you're already intelligent and successful, then there's no reason why you can't become attractive.

Almost ANY human being can be attractive, it just takes effort for most people, and more effort as you get older. I train with men who are older than my father and have gorgeous bodies. You know why? Because they get off their asses, and they do what needs to be done to get that way.

I don't think beauty with no effort is impressive, because it fades fast. That sort of thinking indicates that a person is very young and is in for some really shitty times when they start to get older and haven't figured out how to maintain yet.

Perry
01-15-2009, 08:22 PM
^ +1 Ugliness is more of a personal choice than most people care to admit.


There are BIG differences, too between Hot-Adverage-Ugly. If someone can't even get his shit together enough to put on a nice shirt, get a hair cut and take a shower - then yeah. I'm out of his league.

hockeybobby
01-15-2009, 08:32 PM
If someone can't even get his shit together enough to put on a nice shirt, get a hair cut and take a shower - then yeah. I'm out of his league.

Sadly, you'd still be out of my league if I did all three plus brushed my teeth. Teh Perry is HAWT... Teh bobby is NAWT :D

Ruby Ruckus
01-16-2009, 02:13 AM
i'm out of everyone's league!



there, it's settled.

zoe69
01-16-2009, 05:16 AM
LOL, it's not like any of this is even important.Five pages ::)

bem401
01-16-2009, 08:14 AM
a. i'd rather be really hot and really shallow versus the alternative (thats why ugly people pride themselves on their personalities)
b. actually being attractive is mostly not subjective. you know symmetry, clear skin, appearance of youth, ...- all universal and measurable

The problem with this is most shallow people are oblivious to their shallowness. They think they're the shit and they think everyone else thinks they're the shit, as apparently does the poster I responded to.

As far as what makes one attractive, there is a lot more that goes into it than you listed. I know plenty of women who have symmetry, clear skin, and youthfulness on their side, and still are not particularly attractve ( to me, at least ). Also, hotness is a temporary thing, shallowness is not.

Perry
01-17-2009, 05:10 AM
Sadly, you'd still be out of my league if I did all three plus brushed my teeth. Teh Perry is HAWT... Teh bobby is NAWT :D


Aww shucks :-* *shuffles feet*

Liar
01-17-2009, 08:55 AM
Each and every person is incredibly beautiful.

Often our own insecurity, low self esteme, and low self confidence keep us from letting that inner beauty shine.

And as always when someone makes a derogatory comment about someone else, its far more revealing about the person making the comment, than the object of the comment.

We project our own insecurties, and self loathing on the people around us that remind us of our own worst attributes.

Love yourself, and you realize each and every person has something beautiful to offer.

We are all in the same league, group hug ;)

Earl_the_Pearl
01-19-2009, 09:05 PM
What is 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ?
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/bo_derek_gallery_main.jpg
http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/lb/peace_over_violence2_071108/bo_derek_2160769.jpg
Bo Derick getting older.

LuckyOne
01-19-2009, 09:25 PM
Hahahahahahahhaa!!! Taht first post was the funniest post eva!!!

totalroyalty
01-20-2009, 04:20 AM
In my opinion, a good catch never goes to strip clubs :)

totalroyalty
01-20-2009, 04:21 AM
The problem with this is most shallow people are oblivious to their shallowness. They think they're the shit and they think everyone else thinks they're the shit, as apparently does the poster I responded to.

As far as what makes one attractive, there is a lot more that goes into it than you listed. I know plenty of women who have symmetry, clear skin, and youthfulness on their side, and still are not particularly attractve ( to me, at least ). Also, hotness is a temporary thing, shallowness is not.


I agree with you. And there is "hotness", which fades- and true beauty, which lasts forever.

bem401
01-20-2009, 11:46 AM
In my opinion, a good catch never goes to strip clubs :)

Well then, do you feel that applies to dancers working there as well? Wouldn't it be a bit hypocritical not to?

PkWee
01-20-2009, 12:42 PM
Each and every person is incredibly beautiful.

Often our own insecurity, low self esteme, and low self confidence keep us from letting that inner beauty shine.

And as always when someone makes a derogatory comment about someone else, its far more revealing about the person making the comment, than the object of the comment.

We project our own insecurties, and self loathing on the people around us that remind us of our own worst attributes.

Love yourself, and you realize each and every person has something beautiful to offer.

We are all in the same league, group hug ;)
::) We are all one part of the same universe. Everything we look at is an expression of the one.

tempest666
01-20-2009, 12:48 PM
In my opinion, a good catch never goes to strip clubs :)
damn right the last 2 I dated I met in the club. both turned out to be cokeheads with homosexual tendencies!

Chgojoe
01-20-2009, 03:55 PM
Well then, do you feel that applies to dancers working there as well? Wouldn't it be a bit hypocritical not to?


Excellent point, I am anxious to hear how she responds

threlayer
01-20-2009, 07:09 PM
damn right the last 2 I dated I met in the club. both turned out to be cokeheads with homosexual tendencies!

That's funny. The last 2 strippers I met at their clubs turned out to be the same.

yoda57us
01-20-2009, 07:33 PM
Well then, do you feel that applies to dancers working there as well? Wouldn't it be a bit hypocritical not to?


Excellent point, I am anxious to hear how she responds

HUH? The dancer is there to make a living. Not to be a "catch".

Chgojoe
01-20-2009, 08:32 PM
HUH? The dancer is there to make a living. Not to be a "catch".

I understand, and I don't go to clubs looking for dates. I think the whole concept of leagues based on attractiveness, wealth, status or anything else is nonsense. There is more to compatability and happiness than that. My opinion is that those who embrace the idea of leagues are superficial, immature, and shallow.

If the act of going to a strip club is enough for a girl to dismiss a guy as a good catch then I would think the same logic would exclude a girl who dances as being a good catch. I admire several dancers I know as good catches, just not for me. They are the same human being, and a good catch for someone if they are at the library, supermarket, or strip club. That doesn't mean that they are at any of those places to meet someone to date, though they could meet Mr Right at any of them.

yoda57us
01-20-2009, 08:56 PM
If the act of going to a strip club is enough for a girl to dismiss a guy as a good catch then I would think the same logic would exclude a girl who dances as being a good catch.

The difference is in who is applying the logic. The customer is always going to say "don't judge me because I'm a customer" and the dancer is always going to say "don't judge me because I'm a dancer".

Golden_Rule
01-21-2009, 01:00 AM
The difference is in who is applying the logic. The customer is always going to say "don't judge me because I'm a customer" and the dancer is always going to say "don't judge me because I'm a dancer".

Totally correct.

So the question becomes is sauce for the goose also sauce for the gander?

If so only one of two postulates becomes true:

1) both are tainted.

2) neither are tainted.


HUH? The dancer is there to make a living. Not to be a "catch".

Yes, but the obverse is true as well.

The customer is their to be a customer. Not to be "a catch".

So the point of this whole discussion becomes...????

yoda57us
01-21-2009, 09:39 AM
Totally correct.

So the question becomes is sauce for the goose also sauce for the gander?

If so only one of two postulates becomes true:

1) both are tainted.

2) neither are tainted.



Yes, but the obverse is true as well.

The customer is their to be a customer. Not to be "a catch".

So the point of this whole discussion becomes...????

I completely agree but since it was a customer who started all of this foolishness in the first place I have to come down on the dancer's side here.

GR, you or I might go into a club to be a customer and not a catch but much of what I have read, and laughed my ass off at, throughout this thread, starting with the OP says to me that many guys go into a club either wondering if or thinking that they deserve a chance at something beyond P4P.

In the case of this particular thread there certainly has been enough painfully moronic discourse on both sides to muddy the waters...

For the record I believe that neither are tainted and I also believe that anyone who doesn't see it the same way isn't on my radar anyway so no biggie...

threlayer
01-21-2009, 12:23 PM
HUH? The dancer is there to make a living. Not to be a "catch".

So they say here. And thus the consideration of 'leagues' is completely pointless and shallow to boot.

I take that to be the truth for many of them. They have found it wise to be circumspect about getting close to customers; you know, just about anybody can go to a club and lust after a dancer or two. And guys find it difficult to tell the difference between fantasy and reality when sex is a consideration. But we've seen many dancers 'admit' on SW to finding their BF or husband from the clubs. Not that there is anything wrong with that (love is where you find it).

threlayer
01-21-2009, 12:43 PM
...I think the whole concept of leagues based on attractiveness, wealth, status or anything else is nonsense. There is more to compatability and happiness than that. My opinion is that those who embrace the idea of leagues are superficial, immature, and shallow.

If the act of going to a strip club is enough for a girl to dismiss a guy as a good catch then I would think the same logic would exclude a girl who dances as being a good catch....

If the girl dismisses the guy 'as a catch', and, as your logic implies, the guy dismisses the girl 'as a catch', that also implies a lot of mutual deceit and a service-only relationship, where tolerance need only be temporary.

Ruby Ruckus
01-21-2009, 01:53 PM
If the girl dismisses the guy 'as a catch', and, as your logic implies, the guy dismisses the girl 'as a catch', that also implies a lot of mutual deceit and a service-only relationship, where tolerance need only be temporary.

right. which is exactly what most strip club relationships should be.

bem401
01-22-2009, 02:59 PM
HUH? The dancer is there to make a living. Not to be a "catch".

I was just responding to the barb thrown at any guy patronizing the clubs. Whether you choose to ignore it or not, the comment was directed at you as well. Just because you're not there looking for a catch doesn't immunize you, me, or any other guy from the comment.

yoda57us
01-23-2009, 07:07 PM
I was just responding to the barb thrown at any guy patronizing the clubs. Whether you choose to ignore it or not, the comment was directed at you as well. Just because you're not there looking for a catch doesn't immunize you, me, or any other guy from the comment.

It's irrelevant to me what you were responding to BEM. I disagree with what you posted. I don't know what your thought process is about these things but anonymous words posted by anonymous people on a website are not something I need or seek immunization from. I comment or don't comment but I don't lose any sleep over it.

bem401
01-24-2009, 02:24 PM
It's irrelevant to me what you were responding to BEM. I disagree with what you posted. I don't know what your thought process is about these things but anonymous words posted by anonymous people on a website are not something I need or seek immunization from. I comment or don't comment but I don't lose any sleep over it.


My thought process is that anyone who frequents the SC world should probably not make universal statements implying that one entire group of people are losers by virutue of the fact that they are there at all ( we can leave that to the non-SC-clubbing population to do ). Apparently, you have no problem with such generalizations put forth by a pinkie, even when you yourself are one of the targets. I am fairly confident you wouldn't let someone from the blue side take a similar cheap shot at dancers without responding.

yoda57us
01-24-2009, 05:40 PM
BEM, you have no idea what I would or would not do in any given situation though I guess you would like to think that you do. Again, opinions and generalizations are just that. I don't take them personally. That does not mean I won't defend my position on a topic but I don't feel picked on when someone says that guys who hang out in strip clubs are losers and there really is nothing to defend there. When I'm spending money on a dancer I'm not thinking that I'm a loser and if she was putting out that vibe I wouldn't be spending money on her for long.

Now, for the SECOND time, it doesn't matter what you where responding to. I disagree with your statement. If I want to go after some other poster's comments on the thread I am perfectly capable of doing that. In fact, I think I actually did...

Chgojoe
01-24-2009, 06:49 PM
The difference is in who is applying the logic. The customer is always going to say "don't judge me because I'm a customer" and the dancer is always going to say "don't judge me because I'm a dancer".

This customer says neither should be judged soley on the fact that they find themselves in a strip club

yoda57us
01-24-2009, 08:24 PM
This customer says neither should be judged soley on the fact that they find themselves in a strip club

LOL, This customer agrees...

glambman
01-25-2009, 09:36 AM
difference is, being pretty is impressive in and of itself. being wealthy ISNT.


But then you said:::::



The only time it is impressive is when it is paired with something else that is impressive such as intelligence or good business sense. powerful people are liked for their power, not so much for their wealth alone. whereas people are liked for their looks alone.

i guess to a few really dumb people some redneck who won the lottery might be in a "high league" but to the general public its not impressive.

You can substitute looks for wealth in your example and in reality, looks aren't everything. I've dated some HOT women before and I'm sorry, but their personalities killed it for me. I was looking to get rid of them before we even got to dinner. They were also the type to get mad because I didn't want another date, they thought they 'were worth it' because of their looks alone.

glambman
01-25-2009, 09:51 AM
In my opinion, a good catch never goes to strip clubs :)

Or dances in one? Just because they are both in a SC doesn't devalue either party.


damn right the last 2 I dated I met in the club. both turned out to be cokeheads with homosexual tendencies!


That's funny. The last 2 strippers I met at their clubs turned out to be the same.

And they would still be the same even if they were not in a SC.

bem401
01-25-2009, 11:16 AM
This customer says neither should be judged soley on the fact that they find themselves in a strip club


Agreed. Essentially the point ( lost on some )I was trying to make.

Golden_Rule
01-27-2009, 02:33 PM
And guys find it difficult to tell the difference between fantasy and reality when sex is a consideration.

No. That would be some guys find it difficult to tell the difference between fantasy and reality when sex is a consideration. I would go further to state that some of them, though probably not all, have some sort of issue that precludes them from telling the difference between when sex is something being EXCHANGED for something else of value and when it is being OFFERED as part of a caring relationship of some sort.

And there is the difference. Fantasy sex for sale wants remuneration of some sort. Reality sex as part of an actual caring relationship asks for nothing in return [though if the caring is mutual almost always gets at least as good as it gives].


But we've seen many dancers 'admit' on SW to finding their BF or husband from the clubs. Not that there is anything wrong with that (love is where you find it).

True dat.

threlayer
01-27-2009, 08:34 PM
^^ What I said is a proven psychological truism, just more true for some than for others.

threlayer
01-27-2009, 09:01 PM
damn right the last 2 I dated I met in the club. both turned out to be cokeheads with homosexual tendencies!

That's funny. The last 2 strippers I met at their clubs turned out to be the same....And they would still be the same even if they were not in a SC.

I'm only telling you the truth about my local experiences over more than ten years. I'd estimate over a third and maybe over a half; that's more than the non-stipper average (I hope). I only can hope it's less in other places, but I suspect not.

glambman
01-27-2009, 09:08 PM
Sorry TheRelayer, wasn't meant as an attack.

threlayer
01-28-2009, 10:24 PM
Its OK; I wasn't taking it that way; just expanding on my unfortunate experiences here.

Gee, if they only knew how that garbage was processed. Eg, wonder if any crack addicts ever wondered why that stuff tasted like kerosene?

Golden_Rule
01-29-2009, 10:41 PM
^^ What I said is a proven psychological truism, just more true for some than for others.


Then I guess I'm just a strange duck because since my mid-20s [as a kid I figure none of us have a clue - and in my mid 20s is when I stopped being a kid] I've had no trouble telling the difference between fantasy and reality where sex was/is concerned.

threlayer
01-30-2009, 11:16 AM
Then I guess I'm just a strange duck because since my mid-20s [as a kid I figure none of us have a clue - and in my mid 20s is when I stopped being a kid] I've had no trouble telling the difference between fantasy and reality where sex was/is concerned.

I figured this one out a while ago. If it feels like a warm mouth or a warm pussy, it's real. If it feels like your hand, it's fantasy.

Hope it helps you. ;)