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LoveyDovey
07-07-2016, 08:41 PM
Why do people think stripping is degrading? Because they are judgemental and maybe say it out of jealousy that they can't do it themselves. Or they just need to look down at others to make themselves feel better, and strippers are an easy target.

I've never felt degraded as a dancer. I've felt appreciated.

miss.a.p1600
07-07-2016, 08:55 PM
Stripping can be degrading if you get sucked into the dark side.

LoveyDovey
07-07-2016, 09:08 PM
^^ that's true.

miamiredhead
07-18-2016, 12:46 PM
Stripping can be degrading if you get sucked into the dark side.

No, because strippers cannot degrade themselves...their customers treat them in a degrading way but it isn't up to us! That's why it's such a stupid argument...be angry at the customers who treat us poorly, not us.

LilLadyLux
07-18-2016, 12:55 PM
I overheard a conversation last night where a stripper (doing shots) said "you think I can do this job sober?".

That's a problem. That's degrading. No one should work at a job you need to be altered to do.

Degrading is relative and that's what most people don't understand. To me, working 40 hours a week for minimum wage, shitty customers, management riding your ass, being 10 min late incurring a 20 min lecture, high expectations for low pay... that's degrading.

For other's it's honest pay.

I enjoy my work, and customers can TRY to degrade me, they can make me uncomfortable, they can get me to walk away or have them 86'do but no one at the club has the power to degrade me.

November_Scorpio
09-18-2016, 10:23 AM
There are some viewpoints out there I totally don't agree with.

I read some writings by a licensed clinical psychologist(I decided to take out her name in post) who writes about prostitution , but in her writings she also writes about stripping and strip clubs from a very negative point of view. There is this viewpoint some have that at a strip club it teaches men that they can buy a woman and that the strip club teaches men to see women as a product that can be bought. This same line of thinking tends to lead down the very negative viewpoint that when men buy a lap dance they are renting the women's body and paying to abuse her body(by touching her). They tend to get extreme and see any form of paid touching, even if he is touching her appropriately, as abuse. They seem to have this viewpoint that women don't work in the strip clubs voluntary that they are either manipulated into it or forced into it by financial reasons. They also have this belief that strippers were more likely sexually abused as kids than females who don't work in the clubs and that strippers are more likely to suffer from some major psychiatric disorder( like Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) than the rest of the population. From these theories they tend to go to the far conclusion that some strippers are just relieving their abuse and strip due to psychiatric disorders they are suffering from even if they don't consciously know it.

It gets really kind of crazy the way some of these people think. I can see her point of view at least on prostitution if the girl is forced into and pimped out, but she seems to have a negative viewpoint even to those girls who are not pimped. She writes how awful the Nevada brothels are and even though the girls are not pimped out there, they are tested for STDs, they have to use protection, it is legal there, and the girls are monitored on cameras ... she still sees it as awful and thinks the Nevada brothels should be shut down. That I do not agree with.

I see it in a way as a resistance to a more liberal and progressive society. Psychiatrists use to be very resistant to Gay and Lesbian relationships until our society became more liberal minded. It use to be that if a man was gay or a woman was a lesbian the only reasons for this was (according to psychologists) they must be suffering from some serious psychiatric disorder and they must of been sexually abused as kids. I'm so glad our society as has ditched that crazy way of thinking.

audritwo
09-18-2016, 01:40 PM
Degrading? You know what's degrading, not being able to afford basic life needs. Food, water, power, shelter. That's degrading.

phrendly
09-21-2016, 04:37 PM
There are some viewpoints out there I totally don't agree with.

I read some writings by a licensed clinical psychologist(I decided to take out her name in post) who writes about prostitution , but in her writings she also writes about stripping and strip clubs from a very negative point of view. There is this viewpoint some have that at a strip club it teaches men that they can buy a woman and that the strip club teaches men to see women as a product that can be bought. This same line of thinking tends to lead down the very negative viewpoint that when men buy a lap dance they are renting the women's body and paying to abuse her body(by touching her). They tend to get extreme and see any form of paid touching, even if he is touching her appropriately, as abuse. They seem to have this viewpoint that women don't work in the strip clubs voluntary that they are either manipulated into it or forced into it by financial reasons. They also have this belief that strippers were more likely sexually abused as kids than females who don't work in the clubs and that strippers are more likely to suffer from some major psychiatric disorder( like Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) than the rest of the population. From these theories they tend to go to the far conclusion that some strippers are just relieving their abuse and strip due to psychiatric disorders they are suffering from even if they don't consciously know it.

It gets really kind of crazy the way some of these people think. I can see her point of view at least on prostitution if the girl is forced into and pimped out, but she seems to have a negative viewpoint even to those girls who are not pimped. She writes how awful the Nevada brothels are and even though the girls are not pimped out there, they are tested for STDs, they have to use protection, it is legal there, and the girls are monitored on cameras ... she still sees it as awful and thinks the Nevada brothels should be shut down. That I do not agree with.

I see it in a way as a resistance to a more liberal and progressive society. Psychiatrists use to be very resistant to Gay and Lesbian relationships until our society became more liberal minded. It use to be that if a man was gay or a woman was a lesbian the only reasons for this was (according to psychologists) they must be suffering from some serious psychiatric disorder and they must of been sexually abused as kids. I'm so glad our society as has ditched that crazy way of thinking.

All great points, but it'll be a while until stripping moves out of the gray area. There are a lot of fully confused people out there, many of whom haven't bothered to clarify the difference between pornography and live adult entertainment.

tempest666
09-22-2016, 12:55 AM
I've noticed that the women who think stripping is degrading are usually the ones who can't do it.

trustfundkiller
10-24-2016, 04:50 PM
The most degraded I ever felt in my life was working a 9-5 and making $10/hr.

Gia2608
10-24-2016, 06:53 PM
I always found stripping empowering. I have even posted about having put on my stripper shoes to make sales calls for my business before. I would say first and foremost, the reason people say they find stripping "degrading" is they know zero about it. I can say that I find being a female professional wrestler degrading because the women tend to "age out" faster and are made to wear skimpy outfits and most have fake implants; and are expected to look "sexy" instead of athletic. But, what the hell do I know? I have never attempted to wrestle professionally and have no intention of doing so.

Number 2, I feel like a SMALL amount of Strippers degrade themselves. This is girls who do cheap extras because they are desperate or on drugs, some girls are exploited by Pimps or shitty managers/ hosts. Hell, how many newbies have we seen post here on Stripper Web about "telling guys no when they ask for extras"? Hello, say fucking no!!! But; I feel like is a small segment of individual people in this industry and not even close to being in the norm.

gw
10-24-2016, 07:12 PM
Once I taught English in Japan. I made the mistake of using some overly "graphic" examples in the worksheets, to try to make it more interesting to the students.

(example active sentence -> passive sentence: the zombies are eating the president -> the president is being eaten by the zombies)

One kid showed his mom, who called the school and complained to the teachers. I had to BOW and apologize to all the students for offending their innocent little minds.

Now THAT was degrading!

CFMNH44
10-24-2016, 08:57 PM
Nope. You're all wrong. It's degrading because you're all victims, wouldn't be doing it of you own free will, are forced into it by circumstance or a pimp. Now go get real jobs and be miserable like the rest of us!
*** This is meant as humor, but there really are people that feel that way. ***

DesireeDances
10-24-2016, 09:27 PM
The most degraded I ever felt in my life was working a 9-5 and making $10/hr.

I made less than that! Never again.

MissLouboutin
10-27-2016, 05:54 AM
People think it's degrading because being outwardly sexual as a woman is inappropriate/unacceptable/forbidden. An ironically degrading belief.

Dancer_maria
11-02-2016, 07:48 PM
I look at it realistically. I AM an Object, the guy is trying to buy my presence, and in a club, I offer that "object" to him for a price and or a tip. I am a product, and there is a price for it. just like ANY entertainer. We never "own" an entertainer, we just rent their Presence.

WhKnight
12-20-2016, 04:29 AM
The most degraded I ever felt in my life was working a 9-5 and making $10/hr.

Your attitude is hot so is your username.

I don't think it's degrading at all, it's empowering.

Testament to this is the amount of high flying bankers, business men and generally very powerful men who upon entering an establishment become paralysed, controlled and seduced into parting with large sums of their money, they lose their power and strippers take it from them, no matter how they feel or what they say about it afterwards. I'm one of those guys and though I haven't been to an SC for 5 years when I used to go I was quite aware of the hustle and I'd willing enter such establishments in the full knowledge that I'd be being manipulated, played and gamed by strippers.

For me going to an SC has always been something like visiting a shrine of Goddesses and of female empowerment, and one where I know i will have to pay tribute depending on how much I feel I want to or am made to worship.


I look at it realistically. I AM an Object, the guy is trying to buy my presence, and in a club, I offer that "object" to him for a price and or a tip. I am a product, and there is a price for it. just like ANY entertainer. We never "own" an entertainer, we just rent their Presence.

I don't see it like that and I never treat or treated strippers or any females as objects or a product, it's a far more organic experience in my eyes, although yes I can see how some strippers feel that way you can sometimes see it in their behaviour and I imagine it's not difficult to start hating men when you are a dancer. But this does work both ways and often guys feel just like an object not just in an sc but in real life, i.e. a walking cash cow, although I happen to enjoy being treated as such.

I very much admire strippers/dancers not just for what they do, but because they must be really confident and powerful women to have the balls to do it especially when they are good at it and especially if stripping is just a side thing they enjoy because they like the cash and power and they apply the hustle to other aspects of their life too. Strippers who go about it the right way with the right attitude quite literally become Goddesses in my eyes, and that means more than just looking hot.

RyanXO
01-16-2017, 11:59 AM
Everything that has been said already is dead on. Stripping is not degrading for me, unless you are in it for the wrong reasons like Gia said. If you are desperate and/or on drugs, or don't have a backbone, then yes, you run the risk of being degraded. Getting bitched at by customers on the phone/ and or in person? Minimum wage fast food? Now that is degrading. I am NOT cutting anyone down who has had to work those jobs. I am just saying that is way more degrading in my eyes. Dancing gives me freedom and confidence. I am not forced to tolerate anything I do not want to.

DamnJolene
01-16-2017, 12:26 PM
I always found stripping empowering. I have even posted about having put on my stripper shoes to make sales calls for my business before. I would say first and foremost, the reason people say they find stripping "degrading" is they know zero about it. I can say that I find being a female professional wrestler degrading because the women tend to "age out" faster and are made to wear skimpy outfits and most have fake implants; and are expected to look "sexy" instead of athletic. But, what the hell do I know? I have never attempted to wrestle professionally and have no intention of doing so.

Number 2, I feel like a SMALL amount of Strippers degrade themselves. This is girls who do cheap extras because they are desperate or on drugs, some girls are exploited by Pimps or shitty managers/ hosts. Hell, how many newbies have we seen post here on Stripper Web about "telling guys no when they ask for extras"? Hello, say fucking no!!! But; I feel like is a small segment of individual people in this industry and not even close to being in the norm.

We can argue there are some people doing "extras" to get promoted in the vanilla industry *I don't know anyone but it's happening*. It's not because you're a stripper that's why you do "extras", it's because you're doing extra separately.

Now, do I judge them? No. That's part of the "slut-shaming" society we live in.

DamnJolene
01-16-2017, 12:33 PM
Degrading? You know what's degrading, not being able to afford basic life needs. Food, water, power, shelter. That's degrading.

That's the thread-winner here.