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vmurphy252
04-08-2009, 07:17 AM
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jack0177057
04-08-2009, 08:30 AM
^ Ummm....I don't think you can actually claim those statistics to be anywhere near accurate seeing as how you've never been a stripper.

You're right, I don't know what kind of woman go to "male revues" or hire male strippers for parties, etc... I'm guessing they're just "normal" woman like you see walking on the street... My point is - I'm sure there would be a small percentage of woman that I would enjoy dancing for and give free extras to, and an even a smaller percentage that I would meet OTC for casual fun... But, when a guy on this forum says, "I think she liked me." --- The concensus with the dancers is that the dancer's nod, smile, wink and kiss is ALWAYS - only part of her performance...


Bad threadJACKer! Bad!! :biggrin:
Okay, no more JACKing around...:)

glambman
04-08-2009, 08:37 AM
But, when a guy on this forum says, "I think she liked me." --- The concensus with the dancers is that the dancer's nod, smile, wink and kiss is ALWAYS - only part of her performance...




If you have to ask that question in the first place....................

Brooke
04-08-2009, 10:36 AM
You're right, I don't know what kind of woman go to "male revues" or hire male strippers for parties, etc... I'm guessing they're just "normal" woman like you see walking on the street... My point is - I'm sure there would be a small percentage of woman that I would enjoy dancing for and give free extras to, and an even a smaller percentage that I would meet OTC for casual fun... But, when a guy on this forum says, "I think she liked me." --- The concensus with the dancers is that the dancer's nod, smile, wink and kiss is ALWAYS - only part of her performance...


Okay, no more JACKing around...:)

But here's the thing you haven't considered: the routine and the motivation. The motivation is money, and it becomes stronger as you work. You improve your hustle, etc. As far as routine, it's like any other job in the world. If you work as a cashier at Walmart and check out 200 customers a day, you don't enjoy checking out a pretty customer more... you scan their items, put them in the bag, take their payment, etc. Well, that's pretty much stripping after the newness wears off. It's just a routine day at work, even if he's otherwise attractive.

There are two things that men don't really understand about stripping:
1. It is NOT a sexual experience for us, even if he is attractive. It's a performance, we are doing a job. Whatever reason you have for being there, however sexual you consider it to be, we don't.
2. We are there to work, not meet men. Most of us have a man, or a woman, and we are not hoping to meet Mr Wonderful. And if a dancer is looking for Mr. Wonderful, she's probably not looking at work.

Now, the ironic part of my insistence is I met my husband at the club. Even then, the first time he came to see me he was just another customer, no more exciting than the one before or after him. I didn't treat him any differently than I did every other guy. Once I got to know him, things changed... so if I am an average dancer, once in seven years I met a guy I was really interested in, and he didn't get any special treatment at the club. The minute I realized I was interested, I got his number and made plans outside the club.

The simple fact is that if it is happening in the club and there is money involved, it's about the money.

If a dancer is attracted to a guy for real, she will make plans OTC or take him home and fuck his brains out right then and there. Either way, he'll know and it will be obvious it's not about the money. If he has to ask, it's about the money.

jack0177057
04-08-2009, 10:58 AM
If a dancer is attracted to a guy for real, she will make plans OTC or take him home and fuck his brains out right then and there. Either way, he'll know and it will be obvious it's not about the money. If he has to ask, it's about the money.

Oh,... I finally get it... So it does happen,... just not to us poor bastards that post here...:-[

I did get fucked out of my brains by my hot little legal secretary who used to be a dancer like 4 years before that :)... I guess that's close enough for me... ;D

Phil-W
04-08-2009, 11:02 AM
So why is it that female dancers say it is ALWAYS about the money? Aren't you ever attracted to a custie (even if just on a physical or purely sexual level)? Is there something about his role as a custie that makes him repulsive to you on some level?


My point is - I'm sure there would be a small percentage of woman that I would enjoy dancing for and give free extras to, and an even a smaller percentage that I would meet OTC for casual fun... But, when a guy on this forum says, "I think she liked me." --- The consensus with the dancers is that the dancer's nod, smile, wink and kiss is ALWAYS - only part of her performance...

Men and women are different mentally as well as physically. We respond to different stimuli. Potted explanation goes as follows:

When we were evolving from humanoid to human, we were hunter-gatherers. Men were the hunters and women were the gatherers. We developed very different skill sets (and brains) as a result.

Men came out physically stronger, respond more to visual stimuli, are less conversational, are more goal orientated, have better spatial awareness, etc than women. These are essentially the attributes a successful hunter would need.

Women were the gatherers. They ended up more talkative than men (talking doesn't scare berries), and with better social skills - gathering is more of a communal activity than hunting. Women also learned to multitask better than men. They had to gather food, care for children and communicate with their fellow gathers simultaneously. And yes, because gathering is less physically demanding than hunting, women evolved to be physically slighter than men.

So there are significant differences between the psychological make up of men and women. It means women are better at some activities than men (and vice versa).

Men are attracted to visual stimuli far more than women. Which is why the market for female dancers is far greater than the market for male dancers. (And a lot of male dancers cater for the gay market).

Women are more attracted to a man's personality than his physique. And a SC is not an environment where a dancer is interested in customer's mental take on life. So, scoring on the 'likability' scale with a woman is not really an option when she's working.

Visual stimuli have the desired effect for any guy watching dancers, but I much doubt that men (in a SC environment) are in a position to give the phychological stimuli that might attract a woman.

Slightly convoluted explanation I know, but a thought provoking one.

Phil.

jack0177057
04-08-2009, 11:04 AM
There are two things that men don't really understand about stripping:
1. It is NOT a sexual experience for us, even if he is attractive. It's a performance, we are doing a job. Whatever reason you have for being there, however sexual you consider it to be, we don't.
2. We are there to work, not meet men. Most of us have a man, or a woman, and we are not hoping to meet Mr Wonderful. And if a dancer is looking for Mr. Wonderful, she's probably not looking at work.

I'm just messing around, Brooke... I get what you are saying... It's just that, as men,... we are used to being the bullshitter, not the bullshittee... and, you can dancers can be so convincing in your performance...

charlie61
04-08-2009, 11:08 AM
Aaaaaaaaah I knew it! Jack! You've turned this thread into a massive threadjack!!

jack0177057
04-08-2009, 11:24 AM
Women are more attracted to a man's personality than his physique.

That's somewhat inaccurate... I have a university psychology article that says otherwise (I'll see if I can dig it up)... Woman have short-term and long-term mating preferences... Short term mating preferences aka "Mr. Right Now" can be based on physical attraction alone... just like men's mating preferences... The long-term mating preferences concern thing like personality, security, social status, employment, i.e. that he will make a good provider for her and their offspring... aka "Mr. Right".

SteveSmith
04-08-2009, 06:02 PM
But here's the thing you haven't considered: the routine and the motivation. The motivation is money, and it becomes stronger as you work. You improve your hustle, etc. As far as routine, it's like any other job in the world. If you work as a cashier at Walmart and check out 200 customers a day, you don't enjoy checking out a pretty customer more... you scan their items, put them in the bag, take their payment, etc. Well, that's pretty much stripping after the newness wears off. It's just a routine day at work, even if he's otherwise attractive.

There are two things that men don't really understand about stripping:
1. It is NOT a sexual experience for us, even if he is attractive. It's a performance, we are doing a job. Whatever reason you have for being there, however sexual you consider it to be, we don't.

In general, you're right, but there are some exceptions to this rule.
Go here to post #4. Read the bottom paragraph.
http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=131693

2. We are there to work, not meet men. Most of us have a man, or a woman, and we are not hoping to meet Mr Wonderful. And if a dancer is looking for Mr. Wonderful, she's probably not looking at work.

This is true, the dancer doesn't look for it at the SC, but "the exception to the rule" may walk through the door and you could wind up married to him like you did. The best romances happen when you're not looking for it. Maybe that's why there are so many dancers who've met their boyfriends/husbands at the SC.

Now, the ironic part of my insistence is I met my husband at the club. :) Even then, the first time he came to see me he was just another customer, no more exciting than the one before or after him. I didn't treat him any differently than I did every other guy. Once I got to know him, things changed... so if I am an average dancer, once in seven years I met a guy I was really interested in, and he didn't get any special treatment at the club. The minute I realized I was interested, I got his number and made plans outside the club.

The simple fact is that if it is happening in the club and there is money involved, it's about the money.

The dancer always dances for the money, just like most people who go to work. But if she's attracted to the guy or likes the guy a little, she'll spend more time with him and treat him better than other customers. She still wants to get paid, though. Wanting to get paid and liking a customer can exist side by side.

If a dancer is attracted to a guy for real, she will make plans OTC or take him home and fuck his brains out right then and there. Either way, he'll know and it will be obvious it's not about the money. If he has to ask, it's about the money.

In some cases, if the dancer wants to pursue a guy for OTC, she'll do what most women do: She'll drop hint after hint that she's interested, then wait for the guy to make the first move.


The dancer can be attracted to, and may even have a crush on a customer but may not act on it. Go here to post #38:
http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=131107&page=2

Attractions and crushes float around the SC. It's mostly the customers on the dancers but dancers have them, too. But in the SC, these attractions or crushes don't mean that much. Most people in the SC know the game so these attractions or crushes add fun to the SC experience but the vast majority are never acted upon by either party and the party in question may never know that the other person has a crush on them. So, saying, "the dancer will let you know if she really likes you" is not necessarily true.

I'm just pointing out the exceptions to the rules. :)

FBR
04-08-2009, 06:44 PM
There were a few times when I thought a dancer had a crush on me. I mean, I could see a dancer being attracted to a reasonably attractive, successful older guy with my sense of humor. Turns out I was wrong but those were fun moments.

FBR

Brooke
04-09-2009, 10:28 AM
So, saying, "the dancer will let you know if she really likes you" is not necessarily true.

I'm just pointing out the exceptions to the rules. :)

You are right... when making a statement about hundreds of thousands of women across the globe, nothing is necessarily true. Agreed.

vmurphy252
04-09-2009, 10:50 AM
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glambman
04-09-2009, 10:52 AM
There were a few times when I thought a dancer had a crush on me. I mean, I could see a dancer being attracted to a reasonably attractive, successful older guy with my sense of humor. Turns out I was wrong but those were fun moments.

FBR


Fortunately for me, I have always realized it for what it is, they are fun moments though. I find the girls who are enhanced (even nondancers) are generally more open minded.

I had a dancer home one evening after a 'date' and she was a nice girl next door type. She was unbuttoning my shirt and while pulling it down, I remarked "My cuffs". She says "Yes, I don't mind". I respond "I'll arrest you some other time, I'm referring to my cuff links". lol Who would've thought.

CuriousB
05-11-2009, 10:24 PM
Cuz everyone loves this thread:

So, I was back in town on business and went to the club. She happened to be there this time. Made a beeline for me as soon as she saw me. She did NOT remember my name, but she remembered every little thing from our previous conversations (which were about 6 weeks before). She mentioned things I didn't remember telling her, and I typically remember everything.

Ended up going to VIP (just a room where LD happens; $10 all night entrance). I just bluntly asked if she ever kissed other customers and if she felt the chemistry I felt. No and yes, respectively, as you'd expect. Started the dance routine, and, of course, more kissing (no lectures, I know all the gross stuff. I'm a stupid male adult). At the end of the night, she makes sure to give me her email address again. I've since sent a "hello, had a good time" email that she responded to politely. Was also adding a friend in myspace and threw her email address in and a profile came up. I did the stupid thing and requested her, and she approved. I am 1 of 16 people, and 1 of 4 guys, and the only out of state guy.

The other thing is I went in the next night (I knew she wasn't going to be there; just going for more fun). There was a cool dancer I'd chatted with a few times that I got a couple dances from. She'd seen me with the other the night before and brought her up. Told her I had my first stripper crush, blah, blah, blah. Then I asked if she had ever seen the other dancer kiss a customer, and she said never (and looked really surprised that she had made out with me). Also told her I had some good chemistry with her stripper persona, and she said that's the real her (as far as she knows, of course).

So, grain of salt with everything. I'm actually a little irritated cuz all I wanted was a friggin' lap dance and now I got myself a little infatuation going on here (me to her; I doubt I'm on her mind at all). Don't think my wife would be a big fan either...

Anyway, I love annoying people so thought I would keep a "does she like me" thread going.

From one married guy to another. Remove every trace of this woman from your PC, don't go back to that club and walk away from the situation. Congratulations, you've gained mastery of your midlife crisis by getting the opportunity to shag a stripper now it is time to get back to reality.

In fact in your case I suggest laying off the strip clubs for awhile. You sound like s decent guy but you're clearly far to emotionally involved. You need to regain a sense of perspective before the fantasy does become reality inside your head.

echomadison
05-12-2009, 12:25 AM
You must just be an easy mark because she SUCKS at her SS

CuriousB
05-12-2009, 12:33 AM
Shall we start a SW pool to see how quickly this ends in a restraining order and/or divorce?
Either that or we aren't giving this stripper enough credit. Maybe she is just moving her hustle from inside the club to the web. For out of town business set up a persona online and make the custies think they are special and that you are letting them into your life. If the guy asks for an OTC meeting tell him you are working and make him spend cash on you or tell him you are unavailable.

I'm guessing while you're hustling a guy who falls in love with you like this he isn't going to have eyes for anyone else ITC.

Service beyond expectation.