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bexxx
03-24-2009, 02:08 PM
Here: http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/store/product.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302028407&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442194239&bmUID=1237928572641

Now youcanquityerbitching! Looks like a rosary, ZERO religious affiliation! AMEN!


the only similarity are the beads? its got two guns and a heart..no cross, so nothing like a rosary.

cashing in
03-24-2009, 02:11 PM
No, youre just being mean. She didnt say anything personally against you or any other poster. She made a general rant about something that annoys her.. if people doing whatever annoys you why dont you make your own rant in another topic instead of personal ones against a member here..it just starts arguments and is uncalled for. And also I admit I didnt help by taking sides but still noone will agree and everyone is allowed their own views so just leave it at that.


I was actually trying to be polite, I think you need to grow up, stop trying to make drama over a difference in opinions. That girl isnt on this board it wasnt someone specific just a girl at her club.
You/chris didnt just reply with your opinions you did it in a way that if I were the OP i would feel attacked.


haha i need to grow up if anyone disagrees with you they're mean!!

echomadison
03-24-2009, 02:13 PM
the only similarity are the beads? its got two guns and a heart..no cross, so nothing like a rosary.

It is designed to look exactly like a rosary except it has a broken heart where the cross would typically be. It would be a FASHION ACCESSORY without the religious attributes therefore making it less "offensive" for the bible thumpers. Point being, it has the look without the offensive qualities.

bexxx
03-24-2009, 02:13 PM
haha i need to grow up if anyone disagrees with you they're mean!!


Like I have just made the point about 3 times..you just choose to ignore to keep going on with your replys. I DO NOT THINK IF ANYONE DISAGREES OR HAS THEIR OWN OPINION THEY ARE MEAN..ALOT OF PEOPLE DISAGREED IN THIS THREAD. I THINK THE WAY YOU REPLIED WAS IN A WAY THAT WOULD MAKE THE OP FEEL ATTACKED AND I DO NOT SEE THE POINT AS SHE SAID NOTHING AGAINST YOU.

If I say it in caps will you pay attention so I dont need to keep repeating?
I have tried being polite to you.

cashing in
03-24-2009, 02:14 PM
Chris91, once again, you're missing the point of what I'm trying to say....

I know I'm not perfect, I know I sin everyday that I walk into work, and I'm not proud of it, however, it is a choice that I make.... this isn't about hypocrisy or even religion. It's about having an open mind and realizing that what you wear and how you wear it may seriously offend someone.

The point of this thread is how other people who are obviously NOT Catholic, inside or outside of work, wearing a rosary as a fashion statement. It's distasteful to some Catholics. I don't know if that dancer wore the rosary for other reasons, but the general impression I got was that it was as an accessory. Same goes with the Muslim guy.

I see where this thread is going, and that wasn't my intention. Hopefully, I got through to some of you!


if you were catholic you would be catholic inside and outside of work not just one, stripping in general is distatesful to catholics but i suppose you'll trade in your 'morals' for a bit of fast cash.

bexxx
03-24-2009, 02:19 PM
It is designed to look exactly like a rosary except it has a broken heart where the cross would typically be. It would be a FASHION ACCESSORY without the religious attributes therefore making it less "offensive" for the bible thumpers. Point being, it has the look without the offensive qualities.


so maybe people should wear that instead of actual rosarys then noone would offended.

cashing in
03-24-2009, 02:19 PM
No, youre just being mean. She didnt say anything personally against you or any other poster. She made a general rant about something that annoys her.. if people doing whatever annoys you why dont you make your own rant in another topic instead of personal ones against a member here..it just starts arguments and is uncalled for. And also I admit I didnt help by taking sides but still noone will agree and everyone is allowed their own views so just leave it at that.


Maybe if i put in bold what you alredy said you might understand too! when i made a comment your calling me mean because you didnt like my view, tough shit, don't post if you cant remeber what you've said and keep rambling shit!
i dont care if you dont like how how i come across!

ill reply to what i want if that makes someone fell attacked then i dont care if they cant handle repsonses ddont post.

bexxx
03-24-2009, 02:22 PM
Maybe if i put in bold what you alredy said you might understand too! when i made a comment your calling me mean because you didnt like my view, tough shit, don't post if you cant remeber what you've said and keep rambling shit!
i dont care if you dont like how how i come across!

Ok so here goes for the 5th time..No Im not calling you mean because you disagree or have a different view,its the way you said it and I was saying that its okay for everyone to have different views theres no need to get mean about it. Why do you keep repeating yourself which is making me need to repeat myself? I have no idea how to get it through to you that I dont care if you disagree, I was just saying there is no need to be rude to OP with your opinions but if you really just love being rude then just go ahead because you're relentless.

Being rude to people isnt mature by the way and it doesnt make you look good. :)

echomadison
03-24-2009, 02:25 PM
so maybe people should wear that instead of actual rosarys then noone would offended.

Well if you werent just looking for a fight you would have realized that WAS why I was posting it. TAKE A XANAX.

cashing in
03-24-2009, 02:25 PM
Ok so here goes for the 5th time..No Im not calling you mean because you disagree or have a different view,its the way you said it and I was saying that its okay for everyone to have different views theres no need to get mean about it. Why do you keep repeating yourself which is making me need to repeat myself? I have no idea how to get it through to you that I dont care if you disagree, I was just saying there is no need to be rude to OP with your opinions but if you really just love being rude then just go ahead because you're relentless.


becase you cant understand bexx, i suppose the engines running and no one is behind the steering wheel.
and again bex for the last time if you dont like my replies dont post! instead of whinging on about being attcked i suppose some people just love thinking their victims if people are offended bexx they dont need you sticking up for them! so again tough shit ill sy what i think regardless

bexxx
03-24-2009, 02:26 PM
Well if you werent just looking for a fight you would have realized that WAS why I was posting it. TAKE A XANAX.


I think I just got carried away because I felt the need to stick up for J.D. I am pretty calm right now actually

cashing in
03-24-2009, 02:27 PM
i hope your not stripper bexx or your going to get a nasty suprise strippers arent very pc and dont care who they offend/attack!

bexxx
03-24-2009, 02:27 PM
becase you cant understand bexx, i suppose the engines running and no one is behind the steering wheel.
and again bex for the last time if you dont like my replies dont post! instead of whinging on about being attcked i suppose some people just love thinking their victims if people are offended bexx they dont need you sticking up for them! so again tough shit ill sy what i think regardless


my original post was just saying there is no need for it and we can leave it at that.
I dont understand what?..I understand you like being rude..was that your point because believe me I do get it now.

bexxx
03-24-2009, 02:28 PM
i hope your not stripper bexx or your going to get a nasty suprise strippers arent very pc and dont care who they offend/attack!


I strip, but thanks for the heads up *rolls eyes*

cashing in
03-24-2009, 02:30 PM
I strip, but thanks for the heads up *rolls eyes*

it wasnt heads up! *rolls eyes*

bexxx
03-24-2009, 02:31 PM
it wasnt heads up! *rolls eyes*


A heads up is when you warn someone about something you just said I was going to get a nasty surprise I was saying thanks for telling me, I was rolling my eyes because I was being sarcastic. This is silly, stop replying.Bye

cashing in
03-24-2009, 02:37 PM
A heads up is when you warn someone about something you just said I was going to get a nasty surprise I was saying thanks for telling me, I was rolling my eyes because I was being sarcastic. This is silly, stop replying.Bye

i reply to what i want and i also was being sarcastic which i suppose you didnt get and then felt the need to keep replying!!
your so slow ha

bexxx
03-24-2009, 02:40 PM
i reply to what i want and i also was being sarcastic which i suppose you didnt get and then felt the need to keep replying!!
your so slow ha
Ugh I deleted this reply this is so immature its the internet!

echomadison
03-24-2009, 02:42 PM
The mods need to close this thread so BOTH OF YOU will quit.

Elusive21
03-24-2009, 02:46 PM
I don't know if I would say it is a denomination of Christianity, yes it IS Christianity, but all other Christian religions branched off Catholicism, if I'm not mistaken.

Actually I wanted to correct you on that statement. All of the Christian denominations come from the Orthodox Church. The Catholics split off from the Orthodox during the Great Schism of I believe 1054

echomadison
03-24-2009, 03:09 PM
So are you saying that just because the OP is breaking some of her religion's rules, she should just either quit altogether?

So what makes one "rule" or "sin" better than the other? Who decides which are to be disregarded and which are to be held on high? One should not be able to pick and choose as they see fit.

chris91
03-24-2009, 05:01 PM
So are you saying that just because the OP is breaking some of her religion's rules, she should just either quit altogether? We all sin and not one of us (no matter how christian we may seem) are blameless. You are being ridiculous and cruel.

I don't know what you mean. Quit what all together?

I'm not being ridiculous and cruel. I'm being logical and making sense. Anybody can respond or not respond to my comments as they see fit. Ignore it if you want, but my point is still valid.

Ruby Ruckus
03-24-2009, 05:03 PM
So what makes one "rule" or "sin" better than the other? Who decides which are to be disregarded and which are to be held on high? One should not be able to pick and choose as they see fit.

this statement would be equally applicable in a thread about homosexuality or abortion. so well said.

MarvelGirl
03-24-2009, 05:18 PM
I'm doing a photo shoot this weekend as a catholic school girl, and have decided to include a rosary because of this thread.

So grats on that for being so damn offensive people. It's pathetic that people who are already picking and choosing which parts of their religion to follow and which to throw away would get so pissy and angry at other people for doing THE EXACT SAME THING!

I'm glad it pisses you off every time you see, may you see it many more times. Many catholics would be grossly offended by your shaking your tits for cash, but that doesn't matter because only your personal beliefs should matter to the entire world. You admit you're a sinner but somehow that allows you to condemn others? What a joke. This thread is full of fail.

kandie_kitten
03-24-2009, 05:36 PM
There is a difference between a rosay, and a drop beaded necklace that resembles a rosary.

A rosary is an object that has been blessed for prayer. The necklace the resembles a rosary has no religious significance, and therefore there is no problem with it being worn.

As a Catholic, a rosary should never be worn, even if meant well. It is considered disrespectful to wear a blessed rosary.

But if you wear the versions sold at Claire's, that IS just a fashion accessory, because it was never intended for prayer.

My 2 cents, and yes, I did discuss this once with my priest.

patchouli
03-24-2009, 05:46 PM
This bothers me soooo much!!!

Anyone who is Catholic knows that rosary beads are sacred, and represent different prayers. They are used as way to pray a certain amount of Hail Mary, Our Father, Apostles Creed and other prayers. For example, someone might "pray the rosary" twice a day, and that means he or she said a prayer for each bead.

I see so many people wearing this and I feel like it is extremely disrespectful! They are obviously not Catholic, a rosary is NOT a necklace or fashion accessory. Even worse, I saw a Muslim guy wearing it, and I said something to him. He said it looked "cool" so thats why he wears it. The rosary even had built in ultra cool skull beads on it. What a douche bag!

What really irritated me though, was to see a girl at work on stage naked wearing one!!! WTF! Anyone who is Catholic would be extremely offended by this! Have some freaking respect!

Sorry, I am just really appalled at the ignorance of some people, I had to vent! I am not perfect, but I do go to Mass every sunday regardless of how sinful my life is otherwise, and I had to get the message out that it is NOT COOL to disrespect the Catholic religion by wearing a rosary unless you are doing it for the right reasons...

Anyone have any thoughts on this appalling trend?

You have to admit, things are just things. Yes, the rosary represents one thing to you and others, but it doesn't mean the same thing to everyone else. The possible meaning or symbolism associated with an object is not universal or absolute. I don't think someone wearing it because it looks cool is being disrespectful to anyone. You say "right reasons," but who are you to say what "right" is? I have to hand it to the strippers wearing it.. they are playing up rebellion and that is hot.

I don't find any benefit in getting bent out of shape over things like this. Stress kills and gives you wrinkles.

J.D.
03-24-2009, 05:49 PM
MarvelGirl, I can see how you would think I am picking and choosing parts of my religion to follow and not to follow, but I am not pointing fingers or getting mad at other for the same thing. If you read a word of what I said you would realize this.

A MUSLIM guy was wearing a rosary to look cool, point being that people who aren't even Catholic in or OUTSIDE of the club, are wearing something sacred to one group of people as a fashion accessory. Thats it. How am I condemning others? Geez people you just want a reason to fight! This has nothing to do with my life. So listen before attacking me. Thank you.

J.D.
03-24-2009, 05:53 PM
You have to admit, things are just things. Yes, the rosary represents one thing to you and others, but it doesn't mean the same thing to everyone else. The possible meaning or symbolism associated with an object is not universal or absolute. I don't think someone wearing it because it looks cool is being disrespectful to anyone. You say "right reasons," but who are you to say what "right" is? I have to hand it to the strippers wearing it.. they are playing up rebellion and that is hot.

I don't find any benefit in getting bent out of shape over things like this. Stress kills and gives you wrinkles.

And you are right, it is just an object to some, and technically it only has meaning when one uses it in the right manner. The more I read people's opinions, I realize that this trend may not be so bad, the more people wear Rosaries, the more Catholics will be offended, the more people will learn what the Rosary is and its significance, so whatever....

Obviously I'm not as bent out of shape as some other, ahem, that have posted.

mistybayside
03-24-2009, 06:08 PM
how many of you wear scarves like this?:
http://images.urbanoutfitters.com/is/image/UrbanOutfitters/15800725_04_b?$detailmain$

do you have any idea how offensive that is to some people? a LOT of things are considered offensive, some people just don't realize it or care - and honestly, that's sort of how fashion and trends work. things are only as offensive as you take them to be and getting worked up over what someone else chooses to wear on his or her body is just silly. it isn't hurting you.

patchouli
03-24-2009, 06:09 PM
MarvelGirl, I can see how you would think I am picking and choosing parts of my religion to follow and not to follow, but I am not pointing fingers or getting mad at other for the same thing. If you read a word of what I said you would realize this.

A MUSLIM guy was wearing a rosary to look cool, point being that people who aren't even Catholic in or OUTSIDE of the club, are wearing something sacred to one group of people as a fashion accessory. Thats it. How am I condemning others? Geez people you just want a reason to fight! This has nothing to do with my life. So listen before attacking me. Thank you.

You did say that they are wearing it for the wrong reasons. That is a judgment call.

justifymylove
03-24-2009, 06:14 PM
The problem to me is that Catholicism is overly obsessed with objects, symbols and signals imbued with increased meaning. I noticed this constantly as a Catholic growing up, and it is in marked contrast to other religions that do not emphasize objects as heavily.

Here is the thing- if you are going to attach that much meaning to an item such as a rosary (or a prayer shawl, or a crucifix, or some palm leaves) you have to be prepared for the fact that it is an easy target, both for people who WILLFULLY disrespect the church by attacking its symbols, or for people ignorant of the supposed significance of an object. And although I myself find it a tad distasteful to see someone wear a rosary, I'd much prefer they go after the symbols of the church than religious people themselves- it is a form of protest clearly aimed at the institution so I don't consider it a 'personal' attack. And that is their right. It's not like the church is above reproach.

The point is that Catholics gave the object the meaning, so they are the only ones who can 'violate' it. What other people do with objects has nothing to do with me and my hypothetical faith.

justifymylove
03-24-2009, 06:29 PM
Ugh this is so disgusting. You might think this has nothing to do with you, but I'm sure God will disagree. He's the one that decides what's right or wrong, after all ;)

That's a little reactive don't you think? I mean that if I have a rosary, and it means something to me because my religion has given it that meaning, seeing someone else wearing it does not actually strip it of its significance for me. Their relationship with a rosary- and with God for that matter- is totally different from mine.

J.D.
03-24-2009, 07:44 PM
Mods, can we just delete this entire thread.... I don't think anybody understood the point, and it's just causing a heated religious debate, and personal attacks.

mistybayside
03-24-2009, 09:10 PM
Ugh this is so disgusting. You might think this has nothing to do with you, but I'm sure God will disagree. He's the one that decides what's right or wrong, after all ;)

Unless, of course, you don't believe in God...

J.D.
03-24-2009, 09:34 PM
I no longer care what ignorant people have to say about my opinion, because it is confirmed by the masses:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosary#Wearing_of_the_Rosary

Yes, you should only wear it for the right reasons, lest you want to offend some people.

J.D.
03-24-2009, 09:38 PM
Wikipedia doesn't lie

Vodka Keeps Me Sane
03-24-2009, 10:00 PM
Wikipedia doesn't lie


LOL!!!


Sorry, but that was funny. :D


Anyway, onto the topic.....

I was raised catholic, and back then, I would have found it disrespectful if someone wore the rosary for anything other than what I was taught to use it for. Now, it wouldn't bother me one bit. Not everyone was taught what I was about the rosary so they don't know one way or the other....unless they are intentionally trying to piss off every catholic person they come in contact with. Which I highly doubt, lol. ::)

miabella
03-24-2009, 10:31 PM
Unless, of course, you don't believe in God...

everyone believes in god. either they believe in God, they believe in a pantheon of gods, with 1-2 Main Gods, or they believe in 'the universe', or they worship themselves as God (the mentality behind books like The Secret).

if you only believed that things exist because others claim to know them, God still exists. but nobody actually disbelieves in God, because nobody disbelieves in themselves (self-worship is the preferred god-belief for types who claim not to believe in god).

/tangent.

Elvia
03-24-2009, 10:41 PM
^ Wrong. And offensive. As per usual. What I've come to expect from your religious ramblings.

echomadison
03-24-2009, 11:36 PM
Wikipedia doesn't lie

Wikipedia's 12 million articles (2.8 million in the English Wikipedia) have been written collaboratively by volunteers around the world, and almost all of its articles can be edited by anyone who can access the Wikipedia website.

Sophia_Starina
03-25-2009, 01:33 AM
I don't see a problem with it. Jesus loves strippers too.... why can't a girl rock a rosary and give props to Big J during her stage set? You act like nudity is some big sin.... are you aware this is a stripper site?

charlie61
03-25-2009, 09:58 AM
I don't really see any reason to close this thread. The OP asked openly for opinions regarding the use of rosaries in stripping...and the thread has stayed on track. I'm not seeing any name-calling or petty back-and-forthing. It seems to be an in-depth discussion of the kinds of opinions called for in the OP.

As long as the thread stays civil, I'm leaving it.

J.D.
03-25-2009, 10:09 AM
How would you feel if a foreign girl, an immigrant, came and worked at your club, and cut up an American flag and wore it as an outfit?

J.D.
03-25-2009, 10:16 AM
I don't see a problem with it. Jesus loves strippers too.... why can't a girl rock a rosary and give props to Big J during her stage set? You act like nudity is some big sin.... are you aware this is a stripper site?

I understand what you're saying.... thats why there are cross necklaces, or star of david, etc. A Rosary is something that, in the Catholic religion, no one is supposed to wear for any other purpose than use for prayer, so unless that girl is getting off the stage and going to the back to pray the rosary, then she shouldn't be wearing it. I went out with a guy that went to Mass with me, went up and got communion (I don't know why he did this), then didn't know what to do so he spit it out on the ground. And laughed about it later to me. This gave me that same feeling that I get when I see people rocking out the Rosary likes its no big deal because they don't know any better. But I totally get what you're saying, if thats her intention, then thats one thing. And obviously I don't think nudity is a big sin, I've been a naked ballerina for almost 5 years now! I just was trying to let people know that Rosary takes it to a whole new level.

WoWoWolfie
03-25-2009, 10:27 AM
How would you feel if a foreign girl, an immigrant, came and worked at your club, and cut up an American flag and wore it as an outfit?

Why does she have to foreign? I've seen plenty of americans wearing cut up peices of flag. As bikini/thongs/shaws/shirts/pants/hair bands. You name it I've probably seen it warn.

I don't think clothing/assesories should be a topic of disrespect or what ever it may seem to you.
Its clothes.
Some people figure that us as dancers going around with a lack of clothes is not morally correct. But screw that I just wana dance. :)

Now if the same guy who thought it was "cool" and then told you it waas because it disrespectful to the people who belive in it. Then yeah he's in the wrong.
But if he's just wearing it?


Also as paris said earlier, isn't that against one of the commandments.
Worshiping carved images?
like others before me said.
Its not the cross on the beads that really matter, its the prayer put into the beads.

mediocrity
03-25-2009, 10:32 AM
everyone believes in god. either they believe in God, they believe in a pantheon of gods, with 1-2 Main Gods, or they believe in 'the universe', or they worship themselves as God (the mentality behind books like The Secret).

if you only believed that things exist because others claim to know them, God still exists. but nobody actually disbelieves in God, because nobody disbelieves in themselves (self-worship is the preferred god-belief for types who claim not to believe in god).

/tangent.

I wasn't going to say anything but this really razzed me.

I am an atheist, and do not "worship" myself. As a matter of fact, I don't "worship" anything. But I do feel I am 100% responsible for my choices and actions in life. My car breaks down? It isn't god telling me I shouldn't go, I should have changed the oil. My boyfriend breaks up with me? It isn't because "things happen for a reason"; obviously we had a conflict we were unable to compromise on or work out.

Taking responsibility for everything that happens to you is very liberating for me. I take NO issue with people who choose to have religion in their lives. I do however, take issues with someone being arrogant enough to assume what I do or don't believe in.