View Full Version : How Much Maintainence Do Your Regs Require?
Crow2
03-31-2009, 12:30 PM
You shouldn't personalize it...just like I shouldn't personalize it when dancers say a lot of regulars get psycho. I don't personalize it, but I do agree with it -- that's right, a lot do.
So when g-man says "well a lot of dancers get psycho too" -- it's nothing personal, and it doesn't mean you, but is it so hard to say, "yeah, you're right, a lot do", and leave it at that?
As to personal rejection..."I would never give you the time of day if it weren't for this commercial transaction" is always the 800-pound gorilla in the room, so I feel very little sympathy for dancers on that one, the flow is 99% the other way on that one.
It's not personal. I provide quality service. Above and beyond - to lump me in with those that don't is insulting.
And there are a lot of men that pass through my clubs door that I would never give the time of day to. That's just my personal likes and dislikes.
Just like having to deal with stinky green teeth guy. And if you would of read my post I did say there are a lot of psyco dancers out there. That's a given.
I'm not trying to be combative with you, just trying to get you to understand. I most definitely understand your point of view.
Otoki
04-01-2009, 03:57 PM
...Well, this thread was a lot more interesting than I expected.
Dirty Ernie
04-01-2009, 10:03 PM
...Well, this thread was a lot more interesting than I expected.
Me too! ;D
kamacharini
04-09-2009, 08:40 AM
Can anyone suggest tactful ways of "reeling" a regular in? IE: Setting limits and being clearer with them without hurting feelings. Giving a very innocent man a reality check without completly being a bitch or cold? I would like to retain this customer as he is comfortable, not pushy in the club, consistent and nice. What I need is to be sure he realizes we DO NOT have a relationship starting or that I am even friends per se with him outside of our "arrangement" Any suggestions? Standard lines? Help?
chris91
04-09-2009, 09:35 PM
Can anyone suggest tactful ways of "reeling" a regular in? IE: Setting limits and being clearer with them without hurting feelings. Giving a very innocent man a reality check without completly being a bitch or cold? I would like to retain this customer as he is comfortable, not pushy in the club, consistent and nice. What I need is to be sure he realizes we DO NOT have a relationship starting or that I am even friends per se with him outside of our "arrangement" Any suggestions? Standard lines? Help?
I don't know of any standard lines, but I think you can be as blunt with them as they are being with you. I wouldn't lay out of set of rules upfront, but if your regular is saying "When are you going to come home with me?", then you can say I'm not that kind of girl, the club doesn't allow us to leave with customers, or I'm a dancer not a hooker.
If he isn't pushy though, then I wouldn't say anything at all to remind him that he is just a customer. That would destroy the whole fantasy and defeat the purpose of him paying you.
stressed
04-10-2009, 03:17 PM
When i hit a state that i have met a great dancer i always hit them up again. What usually gets me is attention to detail. You treat me as a human and not try to get all of my money in the first 30 minutes and you are succeeding in getting repeat business. I do not try to keep you for free and i will drop a couple of twentys on the table when i excuse myself to go to the restroom--so its not like i am looking to play you for your time. I am all for paying a girl for her time but i will not just hand over hundrends of dollars for a girl to sit with me when you can see that she would be lucky to make that for the entire shift that night. It is a business and if your not smart enought to see staying with me for a few hours will get you 3-500.00 when you are averaging that for the whole shift, then you are making a bad business decision. OTH if you are making 1k or better a shift in a busy ass club then by all means go make your money and a lot of times i will even suggest it and tell her i will be here when she wants a break and will continue to pay her for her time, buy her soft drinks or liquor whichever she wants. The bottom line is dont hustle me, treat me like you want me to treat you, open up as much as you feel comfortable with, have fun, and do your best not to fall in love.::)
flame on!!
Otoki
04-10-2009, 04:22 PM
When i hit a state that i have met a great dancer i always hit them up again. What usually gets me is attention to detail. You treat me as a human and not try to get all of my money in the first 30 minutes and you are succeeding in getting repeat business. I do not try to keep you for free and i will drop a couple of twentys on the table when i excuse myself to go to the restroom--so its not like i am looking to play you for your time. I am all for paying a girl for her time but i will not just hand over hundrends of dollars for a girl to sit with me when you can see that she would be lucky to make that for the entire shift that night. It is a business and if your not smart enought to see staying with me for a few hours will get you 3-500.00 when you are averaging that for the whole shift, then you are making a bad business decision. OTH if you are making 1k or better a shift in a busy ass club then by all means go make your money and a lot of times i will even suggest it and tell her i will be here when she wants a break and will continue to pay her for her time, buy her soft drinks or liquor whichever she wants. The bottom line is dont hustle me, treat me like you want me to treat you, open up as much as you feel comfortable with, have fun, and do your best not to fall in love.::)
flame on!!
What is it with everyone saying "flame on" lately?
I think that's a pretty good system. If by a few hours you mean 3, then I can see how 500 could be a good thing for a girl. However, keep in mind that if a one hour VIP nets the girl 300 or more, then even if her CHANCES of getting said room may or may not be slim, she may be wasting time by talking to you for 3 or more hours.
It's also difficult for a customer to know how much a dancer can expect to make.
Obviously, if you're continuously paying her during your time together, you are assuring her that you're not going to screw her over and leave without compensating her, and I think that's great.
stressed
04-10-2009, 05:03 PM
^^^ That was my first time using it, but i do expect to get a little bit of the----How in the hell can you say you know what we are going to make and each day we could hit that one guy that could give us huge amounts of money and you have no idea....blah blah blah.
You are all right--i do not have any idea, but any man with half a brain can walk into a dead club with no vip that does 20.00 lap dances and can estimate what a normal night may be. Again i say without a vip room. Usually if there is a vip room i will just take her there and be done with it---but i usually want some down time with her before i go up again if i do not stack the rooms. If you are assured 2 or more hours of vip with one very respectful custy that needs that little attention in the middle of maybe 30 to 45 minutes--i do not feel that is too much to ask. In vegas i seldom stack vips but i will take one girl up a number of times in different areas. My last trip i had 7 vips with one girl over two days and 12 hours. She made quite a bit of money those two days and all she had to do was maintain me during the downtime which she did well---she never left my side.
I can never truly know what your nights or like or how you bank from one day to the next. All i can do is assess the situation, take care of you that is comfortable for me and hope you are okay with the end result. I would never make these statements if i were trying to take advantage of you...............................But i will not give girls 3-400.00 an hour to sit with me for one hour and leave right when its up when any idiot can see that she will have to bust her ass to make 500 for the night. It depends on the club and it is just a decision that i make when i go in. I do not always buy the most expensive thing in the jewelry store if it is not worth it to me, and she can always leave if she feels that she will be more successful elsewhere.
Oh i forgot one more thing when i give her money for sitting it usually goes all to her instead of the house. I do know you girls have to give some for being there but some of the vips rip you girls off pretty bad. the house makes enough on my alcohol i rather give my money directly to the girl. I understand every club is different but sometimes it just feels like if i give her the money and we are not getting a lap dance then the club is not getting 5,10 or whatever they get out of it. I have been lucky enough to find some great ladies over the past years that know i am easy money with the right attitude they will do well enough without dealing with assholes for part of the night.
chris91
04-10-2009, 05:59 PM
If you are assured 2 or more hours of vip with one very respectful custy that needs that little attention in the middle of maybe 30 to 45 minutes--i do not feel that is too much to ask.
Are you telling the girl in advance that you are going to get a second vip room later? If you're not, then she isn't really assured 2 vips. In my experience, most guys don't go up and down to vip with the same girl. They stack them or go with a few different girls. It would be a big gamble for that girl to stay, and depending on the time of night, 30-45 minutes could cost her hundreds even in a dead club. If you are telling them in advance, then they are idiots for leaving you.
But i will not give girls 3-400.00 an hour to sit with me for one hour and leave right when its up when any idiot can see that she will have to bust her ass to make 500 for the night..
You have to understand also that the goal is to make as much money as possible in a shift. Not to make as much as we think we can and then fuck around for the rest of the night. If the club is slow, and a guy takes me to vip or gives me a few hundred to hang out for an hour, it doesn't mean that I get to slack off and hang out for free because I already made more than I would average on a slow night. It means that this is going to be a good night, because I'm going to continue working like normal and make even more.
Otoki
04-11-2009, 09:08 AM
^^^ That was my first time using it, but i do expect to get a little bit of the----How in the hell can you say you know what we are going to make and each day we could hit that one guy that could give us huge amounts of money and you have no idea....blah blah blah.
You are all right--i do not have any idea, but any man with half a brain can walk into a dead club with no vip that does 20.00 lap dances and can estimate what a normal night may be. Again i say without a vip room. Usually if there is a vip room i will just take her there and be done with it---but i usually want some down time with her before i go up again if i do not stack the rooms. If you are assured 2 or more hours of vip with one very respectful custy that needs that little attention in the middle of maybe 30 to 45 minutes--i do not feel that is too much to ask. In vegas i seldom stack vips but i will take one girl up a number of times in different areas. My last trip i had 7 vips with one girl over two days and 12 hours. She made quite a bit of money those two days and all she had to do was maintain me during the downtime which she did well---she never left my side.
I can never truly know what your nights or like or how you bank from one day to the next. All i can do is assess the situation, take care of you that is comfortable for me and hope you are okay with the end result. I would never make these statements if i were trying to take advantage of you...............................But i will not give girls 3-400.00 an hour to sit with me for one hour and leave right when its up when any idiot can see that she will have to bust her ass to make 500 for the night. It depends on the club and it is just a decision that i make when i go in. I do not always buy the most expensive thing in the jewelry store if it is not worth it to me, and she can always leave if she feels that she will be more successful elsewhere.
Oh i forgot one more thing when i give her money for sitting it usually goes all to her instead of the house. I do know you girls have to give some for being there but some of the vips rip you girls off pretty bad. the house makes enough on my alcohol i rather give my money directly to the girl. I understand every club is different but sometimes it just feels like if i give her the money and we are not getting a lap dance then the club is not getting 5,10 or whatever they get out of it. I have been lucky enough to find some great ladies over the past years that know i am easy money with the right attitude they will do well enough without dealing with assholes for part of the night.
OK, it seems like you think this through pretty thoroughly. I think it's great that you take care of girls in clubs with VIPs, and I think the downtime idea is fair (as long as she's getting some tips during the downtime).
I do think, however, that no matter what the club, expecting a girl to sit with you for three hours for $300 COULD be a little insulting. Like I said, I don't know what club you're in, but unless you're paying her that upfront, the flow of cash is going to be slow enough that she might worry that she'll get ripped off in the end. In other words, she may or may not "only expect to make 300 that night" but that doesn't mean you should expect her to work WAY less that she would make in an hour. Even in a dead club, that girl COULD be the one who tends to land a few guys who get a bunch of dances in a row, thus making 300 in an hour or two. Dead clubs DON'T mean that the customers aren't spending money, there's just more competition between the girls.
stressed
04-13-2009, 08:15 AM
Chris after the first vip when we get down i let her know a second is coming. I do hear and understand what both you and otoki are saying. I keep forgetting that you all have to deal with some major time wasting assholes. I still have a problem with trust, in that i give too many people credit, and you would think after being burnt by my own customers that i would stop.:'( Alas it doesnt happen. I forget that you do not know that i will take care of you, although i do tip periodically during our conversation. It is usually 20's and not Hundrends but it is more frequent. Thank you for your insight and i will try to keep it in mind on one of my next trips. I do have Night trips in Ok. coming up.....but then again i now have a dancer that i just call before i come and she makes sure she is free for me.;D I already know i will have a fun clean (its not like that) night---and so will she.
Thanks again
Otoki
04-14-2009, 10:02 AM
Chris after the first vip when we get down i let her know a second is coming. I do hear and understand what both you and otoki are saying. I keep forgetting that you all have to deal with some major time wasting assholes. I still have a problem with trust, in that i give too many people credit, and you would think after being burnt by my own customers that i would stop.:'( Alas it doesnt happen. I forget that you do not know that i will take care of you, although i do tip periodically during our conversation. It is usually 20's and not Hundrends but it is more frequent. Thank you for your insight and i will try to keep it in mind on one of my next trips. I do have Night trips in Ok. coming up.....but then again i now have a dancer that i just call before i come and she makes sure she is free for me.;D I already know i will have a fun clean (its not like that) night---and so will she.
Thanks again
It is definitely hard to remember how people might perceive you, especially when you're trying your best to be considerate. Don't take it personally, just keep it in mind and have fun:)
chris91
04-14-2009, 06:12 PM
Chris after the first vip when we get down i let her know a second is coming.
Well if a girl leaves you after that, then she's a dumbass.
Just out of curiosity, why don't you stack the rooms?
stressed
04-15-2009, 10:01 AM
i am more into the companionship. The dances are great to a point, but my goal when going to a club is to meet a pretty girl that relaxes me and makes me forget about my very stressful life. I really do not care to go to normal clubs because of all the drama. I am not looking for a relationship and this is the easiest route for me to go. In the past i would stack vips and find that i would run through a lot of money and the time would go by really fast. By not stacking i found that i would get to spend more time (including the down time in between with the dancer) still spend the same amount of money sometimes more if we really hit it off and i would have a better time. From a dancer point of view i understand that she wants to make the money as fast as she can and move on. She has that right and i understand completely, but as the customer i like to get a little more value out of my dollar. I feel as long as she still does well she wouldnt complain about spending that down time with me. When i am by myself i will go a little early when it is not busy and it seems to work for her, because she is not taking a big chance on losing money during that down time in a slow period. This way she can still make money off of me during the slow time and when it gets busy and i am ready to go, she can still bank even higher when i am gone and she can start hustling the big crowds. I am learning that this works best for both dancer and myself, if i do this during slow periods in the club. The sexual part of the club is nice, but as i have said before, the chat and overall companionship is most important to me. I guess when it comes down to it, i want the date with no strings attached.
Am i taking advantage of the dancer, i do not think so in my mind, but then again i am not a dancer. Once a dancer understands how i am, usually our future nights run very smoothly without any worry from her, as long as she is comfortable knowing about what she is going to make during her time with me. If she is not then she always has the option of leaving and finding someone else more conducive to her goals. I guess i am kind of selling myself as a customer. This is me, this is how i am, this is what i am most likely going to spend----your decision on whether it is enough for you to stay with me. When i find myself at the end of a night not making a good enough contribution i will leave her with the rest of what i would have normally spent on her. I mean sometimes i do run amuck and forget what i am doing, but i never leave without compensating and thanking her for a good time.
The only problem that i have, and have been told this by a number of friends is: "you are very generous when it is your idea, but if someone presses you are tries to manipulate you, you shut down.
Bottom line--My business is manipulation---i see it every day---i do it everyday. I know how it works. Manipulate me as much as you want in our chat time, but do not try to get me to spend on this or that. Paying the dj or the bouncer or buying 45.00 drinks. Gotta go a Vip just walked through my door....i have to work afterall.
Otoki
04-17-2009, 03:22 AM
^^If your main goal is companionship, it could end up being more profitable for the girl to be paid by the hour without going into VIP so the club doesn't get a cut.
chris91
04-17-2009, 03:17 PM
^^ that's true. it could also be cheaper for you.
Otoki
04-19-2009, 01:49 PM
^^ that's true. it could also be cheaper for you.
Exactly. You could always ask the girl what she gets from the VIP money, and offer to pay her that to hand out and chat. She might even be willing to go a little lower depending on the club, but etiquette would dictate that you offer to pay her cut of VIP for your time together.
exotica268
04-19-2009, 02:08 PM
Just curious as to some of the lengths dancers are willing to go to keep regs feeling "involved". Is there a sliding scale of tolerance, depending on frequency or avg spent per visit? I know regs can be a PITA, so there's got to be some good stories to share.
TIA
I've known of girls who email customers, chat w/them on instant messenger, call and text on cell phone, and meet w/them outside of the club.
Personally, though, I only talk to them on a separate email address that I rarely ever check. (I know, way to keep up the business, huh?). My club also has a pretty cool idea where they have their own separate message board on their website, which, like this board, also allows PMs. I occasionally talk on there, too.