View Full Version : Fantasy vs. Reality
JayATee
04-22-2009, 02:06 PM
Hmm, so you're saying that this "wanna dance" technique actually is productive? In the clubs I frequent the dancers doing it seem desperate and don't take no well. I try to be nice, "no thank you" and giving body language to express my non-interest before they approach. After all, I'm there to have a good time, not fracture anyone's ego. But recently I've been called things like stuck up and asshole which I think is uncalled for...
That kind of visceral remark makes me think I've hurt their feelings by turning them down.
LoL, of course it's productive. You are entirely too egotistical, and put way too much value on yourself if you think you're hurting our feelings by saying no thank you. What's most likely happening is they are annoyed that there is someone in the club not buying dances. This is how we earn our living, if guys come in to just drink and watch the game why not go to a sports bar? Of course they're calling you names. You're fucking with their income. And honestly, based on this quote:
But they've got no chance of getting any of it if they're over a size 2. haha, Zero is my Hero.
You do sound stuck up and incredibly full of yourself. We're not stupid you know. We're very good at reading people and I'd say their assesment of you is spot on. And please don't pull the "well you must take offense to that bc you're a bigger girl" bull shit, bc that's not it at all. I am a sz 0, and this doesn't offend me so much as it lets me know exactly what kind of guy you are.
Whereas the biggest putdown I get when regecting in the real world is "are you gay?" Which would be patently absurd to say to a man in a strip club so they go for asshole?
It must be terrible for you, having to turn down "all" these women. Do you have to carry a stick to beat them off you? ::)
You're in a SC. You're gonna get asked if you wanna dance. If you want to drink your beer in peace without "being forced to turn more women down" go to a reg bar.
yoda57us
04-22-2009, 02:58 PM
So when you're at a bar or grocery store and a woman smiles or doesn't avoid eye contact that's a green light to say Hi. It seems too many strippers don't know this rule in reverse. Perhaps they've read the Hustle Hut too much. LOL
The "rule in reverse" that you speak of does not exist inside the walls of a strip club. Dancers get paid when they sell dances, not when they don't. You won't find too many successful dancers who don't approach guys and solicit dances.
commanderadama
04-22-2009, 04:17 PM
You do sound stuck up and incredibly full of yourself. We're not stupid you know. We're very good at reading people and I'd say their assesment of you is spot on. And please don't pull the "well you must take offense to that bc you're a bigger girl" bull shit, bc that's not it at all. I am a sz 0, and this doesn't offend me so much as it lets me know exactly what kind of guy you are.
So I'm an asshole and stuck up because I find any woman over a size 4 hideous? And any women over a size 2 in a strip club not worth my time to speak to? (I figure I'm doing them a favor not wasting their time too since there is no chance of a sale. AT the clubs I go to ALL dancer money comes from Lap dances $20 Each) So be it, I'll wear the badge with pride. }:D
You're in a SC. You're gonna get asked if you wanna dance. If you want to drink your beer in peace without "being forced to turn more women down" go to a reg bar.
I don't wanna drink my beer is peace, I want to wait for a zero or double zero in peace. Since I'm not a regular (once a month) I don't know if a girl I'll be interested in will be working, but there is usually 1 or 2 but they are always busy. I also hate fake and or big breasts (yes, I'm a freak show LOL) I only like thin pale brunette's and I make no apologies for me preferences. I know exactly what I want and accept no substitutes.:P
commanderadama
04-22-2009, 04:31 PM
I've never had a divorce case or custody fight either, probably because I don't look at you fat, sloppy assholes as people. Because of that, my life is pretty great. When I first started I treated all the customers as valuable human beings and I felt like shit almost all the time because these "valuable human beings" would call me names, talk about fucking children, insult the living hell out of their wives (I hate that!), ask me if my father or brothers raped me, etc., etc., etc. The majority of men are in a strip club are so socially retarded that the closest they can get to being nice is a backhanded compliment.
You are just wallets to me now, and I am much happier that way. I actually hate that you're on this website, it makes me think that you're incredibly pathetic. You have no real reason to chat on a stripper site, so you're just a pathetic loser.
Hey I'm not fat or sloppy but apparently I am an asshole because I hate any over size 4 woman.
But why do you think the men on this site are losers? Are you implying that only losers go to strip clubs? That's as silly as saying all strippers are whores, sure most are, but clearly all the members of this board are exceptions to the rule, no? }:D
JayATee
04-22-2009, 04:38 PM
So I'm an asshole and stuck up because I find any woman over a size 4 hideous? And any women over a size 2 in a strip club not worth my time to speak to? (I figure I'm doing them a favor not wasting their time too since there is no chance of a sale. AT the clubs I go to ALL dancer money comes from Lap dances $20 Each) So be it, I'll wear the badge with pride. }:D
Then don't be offended when they tell you you're an asshole. If they don't see you spending all you're doing is taking up their time and space.
I don't wanna drink my beer is peace, I want to wait for a zero or double zero in peace. Since I'm not a regular (once a month) I don't know if a girl I'll be interested in will be working, but there is usually 1 or 2 but they are always busy. I also hate fake and or big breasts (yes, I'm a freak show LOL) I only like thin pale brunette's and I make no apologies for me preferences. I know exactly what I want and accept no substitutes.:P
Dude, I could care less what your preferances are. What you need to understand is that if you're in a SC strippers are gonna ask you if you want a dance and don't be annoyed by it, and don't act like they should know you're not interested. That's the job. That's what we do to make money. You're not so amazing or special that by turning us down our ego will be shattered and we'll never work again (which seems to be what you think, which I find hilarious).
kynetik
04-22-2009, 04:57 PM
Lol, hang out in the DR and you'll get to know the girls OTC.
While not all men see it as 'a fantasy', lots of men do *shrugs* With something like a strip club I don't think you can say all people percieve it in 'one way'.
rlams2000
04-22-2009, 05:00 PM
Hey I'm not fat or sloppy but apparently I am an asshole because I hate any over size 4 woman.
But why do you think the men on this site are losers? Are you implying that only losers go to strip clubs? That's as silly as saying all strippers are whores, sure most are, but clearly all the members of this board are exceptions to the rule, no? }:D
Mr_Punk? Is that you? Jenny can't be far behind. ;D
rlams2000
04-22-2009, 05:05 PM
Any headshrinkers in the house? When does fantasy become reality, reality become obsession, obsession become addiction?
Mr_Punk? Is that you? Jenny can't be far behind. ;D
LOL I miss the poignant posts of both but that is life in the big city :)
FBR
jack0177057
04-22-2009, 05:33 PM
Any headshrinkers in the house? When does fantasy become reality, reality become obsession, obsession become addiction?
I don't think fantasy can ever become reality... Reality is always a disappointment... Just think about all the movie stars and rockstars that reach stardom only to become drug-addicts and hit rockbottom... Many are manic-depressive and some even commit suicide...
commanderadama
04-22-2009, 05:38 PM
Was Mr Punk a misogynist too?
rlams2000
04-22-2009, 05:45 PM
Was Mr Punk a misogynist too?
He wrote the book.
rlams2000
04-22-2009, 05:53 PM
I don't think fantasy can ever become reality... Reality is always a disappointment... Just think about all the movie stars and rockstars that reach stardom only to become drug-addicts and hit rockbottom... Many are manic-depressive and some even commit suicide...
Maybe the fantasy turns to delusion? Or the SC customers that considers the SC fantasy to be reality are actually delusional.
Beer makes me philosophical. I think I've had enough for one evening.
Speaking of delusional, has Hockey Bobby commented on this whole SC fantasy reality debate or is he busy milking poor defenseless trees?
Damn Blues.
Elvia
04-22-2009, 06:04 PM
So I'm an asshole and stuck up because I find any woman over a size 4 hideous?.
"Hideous?" Not "unattractive" or "not my type" but "Hideous?" And you hate them?
Yes. Yes, you are an asshole.
SteveSmith
04-22-2009, 06:16 PM
While not all men see it as 'a fantasy', lots of men do *shrugs* With something like a strip club I don't think you can say all people percieve it in 'one way'.
Very few men see it as a fantasy.
When I go to the SC, I don't say I'm going for the fantasy, I say I'm going because it's fun. I don't know anyone who says they're going for the fantasy because they don't know that it's a fantasy. The best part of the fun is not knowing it's a fantasy or denying it.
commanderadama
04-22-2009, 07:01 PM
Yes! We're looking for the GFE NOT a girlfriend.
So perhaps the custies looking for a GFE are assholes and the custies looking for a girlfriend are losers?
mediocrity
04-22-2009, 07:12 PM
Yes! We're looking for the GFE NOT a girlfriend.
So perhaps the custies looking for a GFE are assholes and the custies looking for a girlfriend are losers?
I have yet to fully understand what GFE means in the club? Elaborate for me? I know what it means for a hooker.
And no, I'm not being sarcastic.
mediocrity
04-22-2009, 07:13 PM
"Hideous?" Not "unattractive" or "not my type" but "Hideous?" And you hate them?
Yes. Yes, you are an asshole.
That's pretty harsh, I agree. I'm a size 4, but I'm also close to 5 foot 9. Am I borderline "hideous"?
charlie61
04-22-2009, 07:24 PM
For me the fantasy is that I pretend that I enjoy talking to you (yes, even the "normal conversation") while the reality is that I really wouldn't care if 99% of the customers burst into flames as soon as they left the club... as long as you weren't near my car.
This made me laugh out loud. Which I rarely do. Thank you. :D
I see what you're saying, Everyman. I really do. It all depends on your definitions of reality and fantasy.
The strippers are all talking about emotional/theoretical fantasy. Politics of working. Politics of managing emotions while stripping. Et cetera.
You are talking about physical fantasy--which is, of course, reality in a strip club.
Everyone is right. Everyman gets his physical reality "fantasy": a girl talks real shit to him, dances while he can feel her real body. And the stripper creates an emotional reality (i.e. a fantasy) where she pretends to (or possibly really does) care about the conversation, as long as she gets paid.
glambman
04-22-2009, 07:50 PM
I have yet to fully understand what GFE means in the club? Elaborate for me? I know what it means for a hooker.
And no, I'm not being sarcastic.
Me too. I know what GFE would mean if you hired a lady of the night, but I'm at a loss on what it means inside a strip club. Perhaps it means that the guy wants a stripper to refuse him sex, tell him what a loser he is, maybe a slap or two, refuse to allow him to touch her, you know, like a real gf would do.
glambman
04-22-2009, 07:54 PM
Just because someone is not attracted to a certain type, how does that make them hideous? I'm not into overweight women, but it doesn't mean I hate them. But I do hate when people I am with starts name calling and demeaning others because of their appearance or other factors. (OK if someone dresses really bad I might laugh, because they brought it upon themselves. ;) )
jack0177057
04-22-2009, 08:01 PM
I have yet to fully understand what GFE means in the club? Elaborate for me? I know what it means for a hooker.
And no, I'm not being sarcastic.
What she does: A lot of eye-contact, slow and sensual face contact (both with her hands and her face) and, sometimes, lip-to-lip contact (with lips closed).
What I do: I'm not just staring at her ass and tits all the time, I'm admiring the beauty of her entire body.
It's kind of like the difference between fucking and making love.
jack0177057
04-22-2009, 08:13 PM
Just because someone is not attracted to a certain type, how does that make them hideous? I'm not into overweight women, but it doesn't mean I hate them.
I prefer thin, but I also LOVE big boobs,... so I will go for dancers that are medium-size if they have nice big boobs.
I wouldn't demean anyone for being overweight, but you shouldn't go into the stripping business, unless you're willing do exercise a lot (which you do just by dancing) and keep fit. Obviously, this business depends on physical appearance, so you WILL be judged according to a very high standard of physical attractiveness.
Elvia
04-22-2009, 08:25 PM
^^^Being above a size 4 hardly qualifies as "overweight." People can be fit and in good shape and still come in a variety of shapes and sizes.
commanderadama
04-22-2009, 08:41 PM
I have yet to fully understand what GFE means in the club? Elaborate for me? I know what it means for a hooker.
And no, I'm not being sarcastic.
For me it's a mini-date that includes feeling her up and ends with a hug and a peck on the cheek. The clubs I go to are hard contact full nude, grinding and groping.
I'm bored so here are details:
I tell them upfront that I have no interest in penetrating any part of them. Too many losers try that and if they don't trust you you'll get a crappy dance. I'm not a "regular" (once or twice a month) so they don't know me but I guess I seem trustworthy because they're quickly at ease and then I get kitty in the face (sometimes back flipped, a personal favorite) fondling of T&A and legs. I also like hands. There is also very light kissing. More about physical affection than sex so no, I don't climax. But I may think about them later. LOL
I also tell my dancer things like that she is the most beautiful women I've ever felt and that she is a genetic masterpiece. Skin is soft, smell awesome, is amazing etc... And yes All my compliments are sincere.
commanderadama
04-22-2009, 08:56 PM
That's pretty harsh, I agree. I'm a size 4, but I'm also close to 5 foot 9. Am I borderline "hideous"?
Too me yes, but I'm sure many other men would find you attractive. In strip club you'd have zero chance at my cash as my already insane standards get down right absurd in a strip club.
It's a sport for my friends female and male alike to figure out if there is any women in the room that I'm attracted too. My therapist said "You're like attracted to about 1% of the females in any given area" to which I replied, "that seems a little high".
charlie61
04-22-2009, 08:57 PM
^ Let's leave it at that. This attractive vs. not-attractive discussion belongs in another thread, and will likely only result in everyone being pissed off. So let's drop it here.
mediocrity
04-22-2009, 09:02 PM
^ Let's leave it at that. This attractive vs. not-attractive discussion belongs in another thread, and will likely only result in everyone being pissed off. So let's drop it here.
Agreed, but man. I usually reserve the word hideous for the horribly disfigured.
Let's hope our friend up there is equally attractive to mutually attract these magic girls.
glambman
04-22-2009, 09:11 PM
For me it's a mini-date that includes feeling her up and ends with a hug and a peck on the cheek.
Why not find one you like, spend a few times with her, then see about getting a real date. Then your fantasy will be a reality and you will get more then a mini date. }:D
<flame suit on>
JayATee
04-22-2009, 09:50 PM
Too me yes, but I'm sure many other men would find you attractive. In strip club you'd have zero chance at my cash as my already insane standards get down right absurd in a strip club.
It's a sport for my friends female and male alike to figure out if there is any women in the room that I'm attracted too. My therapist said "You're like attracted to about 1% of the females in any given area" to which I replied, "that seems a little high".
All your posts prove is that you're worse than asshole, so I'm not surprised that you're being called one bc frankly, you deserve to be called way worse than that.
charlie61
04-22-2009, 09:53 PM
Could we get this thread back on track please? Invectives don't do anything but piss people off.
glambman
04-22-2009, 10:16 PM
I'm sorry madam, I've been naughty.
Why does it have to be reality vs. fantasy? The people in a SC are there to do a job, and we (customers) are there to let them do that job. Why care why the other is there. Why complicate things.
jack0177057
04-23-2009, 08:29 AM
^^^Being above a size 4 hardly qualifies as "overweight." People can be fit and in good shape and still come in a variety of shapes and sizes.
I agree. I don't even know what a size 2 or 4 is, to speak the truth, because I've never asked a woman about their size. I like dancers who are thin, but medium is okay if she is very pretty, has nice big boobs and a nice personality. I don't like extra-thin anorexic dancers nor dancers with noticeable round bellies.
Again, the SC is about fantasy... not about fairness, political correctness, etc... Men fantasize about thin woman with a FLAT hardbelly. Blame it on Playboy bunnies, Victoria Secrets Models, Swimsuit models, etc... So, if a woman gets into this game, she should join a gym and keep her stomach flat and firm.
jack0177057
04-23-2009, 08:36 AM
I agree. I don't even know what a size 2 or 4 is, to speak the truth, because I've never asked a woman about their size. I like dancers who are thin, but medium is okay if she is very pretty, has nice big boobs and a nice personality. I don't like extra-thin anorexic dancers nor dancers with noticeable round bellies.
Again, the SC is about fantasy... not about fairness, political correctness, etc... Men fantasize about thin woman with a FLAT hardbelly. Blame it on Playboy bunnies, Victoria Secrets Models, Swimsuit models, etc... So, if a woman gets into this game, she should join a gym and keep her stomach flat and firm.
Oops, sorry Charlie... Just saw your post about getting back on track...
Naida
04-23-2009, 09:14 AM
Here's a situation for you-
You're a guy who's not in the best of shape and who isn't the best looking, but happens to have extra cash to blow and you decide to do so in the club. A gorgeous, barely-legal young woman comes up to you and asks if you'd like a dance, during which she smiles and rubs her breasts in your face while hanging on your every word.
Yes, you really do have a cute, naked girl in your lap that (depending on which club you're in) is letting you touch her ass and appears to be attracted to you. But that is not the REALITY of the matter.
The fantasy is that she's attracted to you and enjoys being this close to you.
The reality is that she's really thinking- "Jeezus, this guy is fucking disgusting. I wish he would get his grubby hands off my butt. Smile a little wider, the song is almost over and I want that extra 20 so I can get the fuck out of here and get the smell of his gross cologne off of me!"
If you are there for the reality of seeing and, maybe, touching T&A, then you're in luck- you're getting reality.
If you are there because you enjoy the company and attention of <insert stripper's name> as well as her body, you are only recieving fantasy.
commanderadama
04-23-2009, 09:47 AM
Why not find one you like, spend a few times with her, then see about getting a real date. Then your fantasy will be a reality and you will get more then a mini date. }:D
<flame suit on>
Hahaha. Real Girlfriends, like children, are an avoidable liability. I prefer renting. :D
jack0177057
04-23-2009, 12:21 PM
If you are there for the reality of seeing and, maybe, touching T&A, then you're in luck- you're getting reality.
If you are there because you enjoy the company and attention of <insert stripper's name> as well as her body, you are only recieving fantasy.
This goes back to the physical (real) v. emotional (fantasy) aspects of the interation that Charlie and I mentioned...
My point is it: the two cannot be separated... We all wish we had some on-and-off switch with the power to suspend our emotions, but that just doesn't happen... Maybe alcohol dulls the emotions a little, but they're still there... We NEED the emotional fantasy to be joined to the reality of the situation...
From the custie's standpoint, there are two alternative emotions with two corresponding fantasies:
(1) Attraction: This emotion leads the guy to fantasize that the dancer is the hottest babe in the planet, she is a nymphomaniac and she is all into HIM...
(2) Contempt: This emotion (which could be caused by the custie feeling rejection or scorn from the dancers or from women in general) causes the custie to fantasize that he is a pimp and the dancer is his ho. In that case, he enjoys the pleasure of domination and cares little about whether the dancer genuinely likes him or not.
glambman
04-23-2009, 02:31 PM
Hahaha. Real Girlfriends, like children, are an avoidable liability. I prefer renting. :D
lol I mean a real date in the dancer-SC/ Custie OTC sense, not a mini date ITC sense. Leasing is good. No long term terms here.
Everyman
04-23-2009, 03:39 PM
(2) Contempt: This emotion (which could be caused by the custie feeling rejection or scorn from the dancers or from women in general) causes the custie to fantasize that he is a pimp and the dancer is his ho. In that case, he enjoys the pleasure of domination and cares little about whether the dancer genuinely likes him or not.
(3) Freedom -- very similar to 2 but without the contempt. I spent waaaayyyyyy too much of my life, IRL, paralyzed by what other people might think of me. I was extremely shy in male-female relationships, wasting all my good years when I should have been getting laid a lot more than I did.
And now in the club, it is the absolute freedom to know that doesn't matter at all. As long as you're not an asshole (and I'm not, despite other posts in this thread lol) and spend a minimum amount of money, you're accepted...that's what the club is there for. So it matters to me ZERO what dancers "really" think of me. I want the physical reality, and a pleasant time (whether they're faking it or not), and that's real enough for me. I suspect that the relaxation this freedom brings makes me more interesting to be around, too, but only once has it resulted in being more than a customer. That's once more than most, though.
Paris
04-23-2009, 03:39 PM
Look, the only reason I started this thread was because I tired of hearing "remember it's a fantasy...you're paying for a fantasy" over and over again. I've never felt like that for a second; a hot naked 20-year-old in my lap is as real as it gets. I think dancers, much more than customers, cling to this fantasy/reality distinction to help themselves deal psychologically with what they do ("what I do in the club isn't 'real' and isn't the 'real me').
I have to agree with this. I would totally dissociate when I was working. For instance, maybe a loved one died shortly before I had to go to work. By the time I hit the floor, I was all smiles and acting horny to get the dances. When the hair and makeup came off at home, I'd fall apart emotionally. Male dancers do this too, so it isn't limited to women only. I believe this is common to anyone who spends a lot of time in the public eye: dancers, actors, politicians or school teachers, soldiers, doctors, police officers, slaughter house employees and prison guards need to compartmentalize as well, to be successful. Those who can't wash out pretty quickly.
commanderadama
04-23-2009, 06:53 PM
lol I mean a real date in the dancer-SC/ Custie OTC sense, not a mini date ITC sense. Leasing is good. No long term terms here.
Did that 10 years ago, I don't like drama. Take a look at the life support thread, it's pretty typical. I did really like a couple I hung out with, but one had two kids (I don't like kids) and the other had a serious gambling problem (I actually "dated" her and she turned me on to Montreal. In that city I'm attracted to 20% of the female population, it's awesome!) And as far as women go, I have to say strippers are my favorite. They can stay up past midnight & like to dance (I love Hed Kandi). They can walk several miles in comfortable shoes with no complaining... Are worldly, especially the Canadian ones, fascinatingly intelligent, if not educated. In a word impressive...
But the thing about women selling fantasy and my problem with this thread is that perception IS reality. And ALL women are selling a fantasy to one degree or another, every single last one of them. What dude would have signed up for a fat pig wife and two or three bratty kids? It just amazes me what too many men put up with. And strippers wonder why married men come to strip clubs? Because they HATE their families and cannot escape from them do to punitive laws. So if you're a middle class guy making 40 to 90K per year, it's cheaper to keep her and go to strip clubs.
Example fantasy: One women I had known for 8 years decided she wanted me. She had been a size 8 to 10 the entire time I knew her thus not even on my radar, then she breaks up with her boyfriend, shows up at my door 6 months later in a size 4 sundress (I love sundresses, she knew this). We had a summer fling. Then she wanted to know "where the relationship was going" granted she had a child so it was a legitimate concern but hell "I don't know it's been like 3 months." I'm like going back up to your previous size is not an option, you wanna ride the commander it's 4 or less baby. LOL BJ's are required and the drama must be light.
Since she was selling a total fantasy we didn't get married. ;) Besides I would have put my requirements in a prenup, laws are too biased to the women folk nowadays a man needs to protect his assets. }:D I know a dude who actually adopted his wife's children, he now pays child support on kids her didn't father. :O
threlayer
04-23-2009, 08:25 PM
"Pay No Attention to the Dancer Behind the Curtain."
Sometimes it is done with smoke and mirrors. (I saw it.)
Earl_the_Pearl
04-23-2009, 10:18 PM
The SC is the only place where you bypass all that and see a live naked girl without putting on any effort at all. At some point in the future, when you have a REAL girlfriend or wife, you will nostalgically look back at the SC as a wonderful place of pure fantasy...
"Date" OTC not the pure escort "date" but the true OTC relationship "date" and one can have the worse of both worlds.
Pl's and strippers are just opposite sides of the same coin and we deserve each other. :drunk:
Earl_the_Pearl
04-23-2009, 10:43 PM
And, if you think most SC customers (present company included) can get a hot 20-y/o as a wife or girlfriend OTC, I have a nice piece of swampland to sell you in Florida.
I just spent two days with a 19 yo "girlfriend" OTC. I shudder to think of her as my next wife. I shudder to think of any women as my next wife. Yes I am generous and yes we swapped body fluids.;)
Earl_the_Pearl
04-23-2009, 10:51 PM
Then don't be offended when they tell you you're an asshole. If they don't see you spending all you're doing is taking up their time and space.
Strippers will think a PL is an assholes if he does not tip; they will think he is an asshole if he spends his entire pay check on them. ;)
Earl_the_Pearl
04-23-2009, 11:32 PM
I think what the dancers are saying in this forum is, "PLEASE DON'T KISS THE ACTORS."
How about for a tip? I got tongue from the most beautiful women I ever saw for $20.:P
Earl_the_Pearl
04-23-2009, 11:51 PM
Hmm, so you're saying that this "wanna dance" technique actually is productive? In the clubs I frequent the dancers doing it seem desperate and don't take no well.
I don't do LD but I always tip the girl a few dollars for her time when I say no. You must realize that dancers take this business personal. I wish more dancers would realize that PLs take this business personal.
bettyboop09
04-24-2009, 02:58 AM
The fantasy... and please ladies, don't regard me as a misogynist for saying this, because I'm not, and I'm sure you women have your LONG lists, too... is that you have a beautiful young woman dancing before you, pealing off her clothes, brushing her amazing tits on your face, grinding her lovely ass on your... and treating you like the hottest piece of male ass around... without all the drama and bullshit that comes with being in a REAL relationship... She is not going to make you wait until after several dates to see her naked (and there's never a guarantee)... She is not going to tell you that she is not in the mood tonight because she has a migraine, is upset about something somebody did or said, or didn't like the way she looked in that tight little black dress she tried on at the store (and this can happen several nights consecutively)... She is not going to ask you to spend an entire evening visiting her lame parents and/or friends... She is not going to ask you to spend hours fixing something that you end up making worst (and have to hire a professional because YOU broke it) or to give up an entire day doing something she likes to do and you hate -- like shopping... You will not have to rack your brain thinking of "romantic" things to say to her all the time and hearing about how romantic her best friend's boyfreind is... and being compare to him all the time... You will not have to spend a big portion of your paycheck on fancy restaurants and taking her out to see expensive Broadway plays (when the movie version is so much better), etc... She is not going to pressure you about the direction that the relationship is heading... She is not going to judge you on your morals, religion, politics, work, etc... She is not going to call you lazy or a slob (even though she's correct in that assessment)... She is not going to criticize your friends and family... She is not going to ask you to take out the garbage, clean out the garage, etc... She is not going to ask you why you're looking at other women in the club or why you came home so late last night, etc...
Really, modern day relationships are very complex and even exhausting for BOTH parties involved... There is so much work-related pressure already and when you add to that the drama and complexity of relationship issues... It's no wonder that only half of marriages succeed beyond 2 years... When I go to the SC the "fantasy" is an instant hot girlfriend experience with lovely tits on my face and hot ass on my lap... The fantasy is summarized as this: 100% attraction, 100% sexual arousal, 0% drama and 0% complexity.
there's always a tradeoff; the stripclub relationship is like this: money=honey; no money=no more honey
threlayer
04-24-2009, 05:23 AM
The SC is the only place where you bypass all that and see a live naked girl without putting on any effort at all. At some point in the future, when you have a REAL girlfriend or wife, you will nostalgically look back at the SC as a wonderful place of pure fantasy...
Share the fantasy; avoid the nightmare; pay for the reality.
You will need to put in some effort to do this.
First make youself presentable, like you are going on a date (take a shower, change your shorts&socks, put on deordorant, shave, brush teeth, get out clean clothes, etc)
Second, have an attitude of fun for you and for the stripper. And if she's having a bad night (not from dealing with you), try to help lighten and liven. Don't stress her out by trying to force her beyond her limits; don't test but ask first. If she really likes you (happens maybe 1% of the time), she will let you know what may happen. Don't you ask.
Third, help her out more than you help out the club, money-wise. Her real fantasy is accumulating more money than she pays out each week jus to work and pay bills.
That's YOUR work. Have a fantastic time.
StarGardenClub
04-24-2009, 07:43 AM
The Fantasy is the environment that is has been created for your enjoyment. Yes there are bodies and smiles and aromas but...it's has been designed to provoke and excite you. This is a dream world. Where else, organically, can you sit in a chair and have the most beautiful women you have ever seen fawn over you? This does not happen in your everyday life, at home or at work. Ok it is Hugh Hefs life. But for everyone else this is a Fantasy. It's like Disneyland. There is nothing natural or organic about it.