View Full Version : Just how rife is the abuse of strippers by customers?
CuriousB
05-15-2009, 10:43 AM
Wow. Since all of you guys have been "abused" I guess you should stop going to strip clubs. Darn!
Note. For the record I have never suffered any form of abuse in a SC I wasn't willing to talk to.Finally, way off topic and I know dancers would rather be bitten by a rattle snake than take hustle tips from customers but here is one anyway. If you don't want to make conversation then put on a sexy heavy Russian accent and talk in broken English. It is usually so awkward to maintain a conversation they will say "Fuck it." and either buy a dance or not. Works on me every time.
Earl_the_Pearl
05-15-2009, 11:52 AM
Wow. Since all of you guys have been "abused" I guess you should stop going to strip clubs. Darn!
Just as all abused strippers should find another job. Let's be honest this is a love/hate relationship. PLs love pussy but hate what happens wile trying to get it, strippers love money but hate what they have to do to get it.
Earl_the_Pearl
05-15-2009, 11:58 AM
If you don't want to make conversation then put on a sexy heavy Russian accent and talk in broken English.
That is what the summer Russians do until I mention the babies crushed by the Russian tanks in Georgia. Then in perfect English they give me the KGB history of South Ossetia.
Earl_the_Pearl
05-15-2009, 12:12 PM
What kind of insensitive shit is this? Let me tell you something: 8-9 times out of 10, the cameras are not taping. The other 1-2 times, the manager doesn't give a crap enough to roll it back.
Who the fuck rolls their eyes at a story about a girl almost getting raped? Seriously.
She tried waving at the cameras - but there was no one watching them.
Then he snapped at her - telling her she should have bit and kicked and yelled. All of the other dancers, and the house mom thought she was crazy, or drunk or dirty.
So security, the house mom and all of the other dancers did an ::) but I'm the only one that is insensitive. ::)
Many strippers give a guy a boner with a promise of more to extract maximum money. Then you wonder why it happens. If the stripper was a victim of attempted rape she should go to the police.
JayATee
05-15-2009, 12:24 PM
So security, the house mom and all of the other dancers did an ::) but I'm the only one that is insensitive. ::)
Many strippers give a guy a boner with a promise of more to extract maximum money. Then you wonder why it happens. If the stripper was a victim of attempted rape she should go to the police.
This is so far OT but I can't help it. Earl, you're an insensitive asshole and you need to stop.
Most of us are clean dancers and the only thing we promise to do is dance. That's it. If you're used to clubs where you get more, I'm sure there is a reason you go there. That doesn't mean we're all like that.
STOP MOCKING A GIRL THAT WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED! And stop acting like we bring it on ourselves. And stop pretending the police give a shit and they're an option, bc they don't and they're not. You know what the police will do? ::) <--- that's it.
firemaiden04
05-15-2009, 12:34 PM
So security, the house mom and all of the other dancers did an ::) but I'm the only one that is insensitive. ::)
Many strippers give a guy a boner with a promise of more to extract maximum money. Then you wonder why it happens. If the stripper was a victim of attempted rape she should go to the police.
NOBODY deserves to be sexually assaulted. NOBODY deserves to be raped. And I do mean NOBODY. I have never promised a customer some sexual activity to get money out of him. I tell them flat-out that I don't do extras. I am extraordinarily offended by your comment.
A_Guy
05-15-2009, 12:36 PM
A recommendation to all that have read this thread - be liberal with the use of the ignore function. This thread would be 2, maybe 3 pages tops!
SteveSmith
05-15-2009, 12:42 PM
The vast majority of abuse is customer on dancer. The small amount of dancer on customer abuse is asshole tax, mostly. I'm amazed that dancers can put up with as much as they do.
Just in the last 6 months, I've had 2 dancers thank me for being so nice while getting lap dances because they said: "these guys are trying to rape me up here."
If the dancer wants to avenge bad behavior from a customer, then that should be her right. Only a sadistic asshole would allow dancers to be abused without letting them fight back.
Any overflow of dancer anger or bad attitude towards customers is the result of customer abuse of the dancers. Can't blame them for that.
If you don't do anything out of line, then you'll be treated good.
A_Guy
05-15-2009, 12:45 PM
If you don't do anything out of line, then you'll be treated good.
Exactly. I've only pulled out mr happy twice, maybe three times in my last two strip club visits. Generally, I only get slapped in the face or punched in the balls, which I would have paid for anyways.
SerenaSin
05-15-2009, 01:01 PM
NOBODY deserves to be sexually assaulted. NOBODY deserves to be raped. And I do mean NOBODY. I have never promised a customer some sexual activity to get money out of him. I tell them flat-out that I don't do extras. I am extraordinarily offended by your comment.
Yes.
Even if I implied that the guy would get extras (which I dont) that would STILL never be an excuse for rape. All the victim-blaming and rape apologism in this thread is making me sick.
Sort of on a tangent- This past wednesday a customer tried to proposition me for sex, then during a VIP dance told me to "pull my thong over to the side" (which is ILLEGAL here) and asked me to touch his cock; i told him "this is not a brothel"... he got pissed and stopped the dance and tried to rip me off by claiming he had "already paid me". I yelled that he NEEDED TO FUCKING PAY ME RIGHT NOW and finally he did... sorta. He held out a 20 and waved it around, I went to take it and he pulled it away and started laughing. Then waved it around (like I was a goddam DOG) and pulled it away again. Finally I grabbed ahold of it and we played tug-o-war for a sec til I pulled it outta his hand, after which he grabbed my arm and I yelled at him to not fucking touch me. He tipped me an extra $15.
He sat back down in the main room and as I walked by a few minutes later he held out another 20. I took it from his and began walking away. He asked in genuine confusion "what, you're not gonna sit and talk with me?" and I said "no, I'm going into the dressing room." He spent the rest of the night propositioning girls for sex, and grabbed one of them, and wouldn't stop trying to talk to me every time I walked by, and he would send girls into the dressing room (where i was basically hiding from him) to come get me.
I think 1 or 2 girls hustled a bunch more money out of him by telling him he had to pay them a few 20's to sit there and listen to his bullshit for a few minutes. Guys like this SHOULD pay the asshole tax, if not kicked out or worse.
I personally didn't deal with him anymore cuz he had upset me a lot. If other girls wanted to extract money from this asshole that was up to them.
We even joked that one of us should "agree" to his $1000 proposition and try to get the money up-front and then have the bouncer kick his ass out. haha.
Crow2
05-15-2009, 04:17 PM
Wow.. just wow. I am simply amazed in this so called day of enlightenment I am seeing commentary that thinly veils the old adage that "she asked for it" train of thought.
How dare you even put that out in public space.
Lets put you in jail with Big Bubba and let him fuck you up the ass forcefully a few times and see how you feel about it then. Oh wait.. You will of deserved it because you are just there.
That. Is. Just. Fucking. Sick.
There is no word in the English language ( or in any of the other two that I know ) to describe the level of low that is. No expletive either.
Just.. wow.
I apologize for the thread jacking, but damn.
charlie61
05-15-2009, 05:56 PM
Wow, this is all getting intensely personal in here (and understandably, since it's a heated issue).
I'm going to assume that no one on this board would actually assert that women are "asking for it" (to quote the lovely Crow).
So perhaps those of you who seem to think that the line here is blurry should civilly and concisely explain the reasons behind these positions? I think this is an interesting thread, and would love to see it continue, but it needs to remain somewhat academic (and invective-free) for it to live on...
Earl_the_Pearl
05-15-2009, 06:01 PM
Point of order. I was not there; the house mom and all of the other dancers were. "All of the other dancers, and the house mom thought she was crazy, or drunk or dirty." So it is not my opinion it is what I have read.
Why all of the personal attacks on me and not on the ones who were there? /:O
charlie61
05-15-2009, 06:04 PM
^ Yes. Let's try to keep the thread as theoretical as possible and stop directing it towards individuals. I find that threads like these require some amount of theoretical distance if they're to actually get anywhere.
Crow2
05-15-2009, 06:42 PM
So security, the house mom and all of the other dancers did an ::) but I'm the only one that is insensitive. ::)
Many strippers give a guy a boner with a promise of more to extract maximum money. Then you wonder why it happens. If the stripper was a victim of attempted rape she should go to the police.
Because you posted this.. and just exactly how would the police treat an attempted rape victim once they ( the police ) found out she strips? Like she was drunk, or crazy or dirty - to horribly paraphrase what you said.
This part is the worst yet..
Many strippers give a guy a boner with a promise of more to extract maximum money. Then you wonder why it happens.
I have no idea what sort of SC you go to or what sort of women you hang out with and it matters little - this is the part I was speaking of. Promises, broken or not, no matter WHAT. NO ONE deserves that sort of treatment, never. Ever. To make such assumptions is beyond the range of neanderthal thinking.
If you take this as a personal attack, that's you. It is not meant as such. I am simply expressing my offense and outrage at such commentary. Because it is beyond my range of comprehension to understand how anyone could have such a sense of entitlement and assume that LE would even be tolerant or even sympathetic to any dancer/stripper who had been brutalized in that fashion.
Hopper
05-15-2009, 06:43 PM
I think GR has been doing a bit of back-pedallng because he took his idea of abuse of dancers being a customer reaction too far.
The dancers are in less of a position to harm the patrons and have less motive for doing so. They could slap guys (and risk some form of retaliation), accuse them of raping them and get them thrown out, all sorts of shit. The nature of the business might attract bitches or make some girls into bitches. But the abuse of dancers by customers is bound to be a lot more common, since you basically have a naked girl and a horny male, the male being the physically stronger sex.
The heavy assaults and attempted rapes are just plain crimes. No decent man justifies that with just bitchiness or even cheating on the part of a woman. He does it because he is an asshole, just because he wants to. Nor does he take a girl grinding on his erection as a cue to grope her in the same area.
Fact is that a lot of guys now just don't think about how they interact with women ITC or OTC, or with other men either. Some of the male role-models you see in films and on TV now are the "out-of-control" types. Many of them want to be "Jackasses". Add to that the fact that they never were brought up with any idea of how to properly interact with women in the first place. And - SCs by their nature are bound to attract this sort of guy in droves. Then throw in how the dancers react to this behaviour and the guys take it as more justification for being dicks.
The point I agree with GR on (if he really was making this point) is that if the behaviour of girls were policed and the image of the club presented by the dancers and other staff was one of respect - i.e. if SCs could have a classy standard of conducting business, then it could create an environment in which assholes and mooks don't feel so free to ac their real selves or even turn up.
GR and his opponents have been discussing the "broken window" idea only as it woulod apply to existing clubs under existing managements. But consider that if new clubs or new managements began which did takea classier approach to conducting business and treating staff and did thus create an environment which discouraged wrong behaviour and crime. These clubs would attract the best dancers because of the greater security for them, and so attract the most custormers. They would compete better than the seedy joints.
Seedy joints with lower-grade dancers and maybe lower prices might continue to exist, since some patrons might be willing to trade sex appeal and dancing ability for freer restraints.
We should go back to the OP and post instances of customer abuse of dancers. It seems the dancers themselves don't know any practical ways to stop it.
Earl_the_Pearl
05-15-2009, 07:16 PM
Many strippers give a guy a boner with a promise of more to extract maximum money. Then you wonder why it happens. If the stripper was a victim of attempted rape she should go to the police.
I have no idea what sort of SC you go to or what sort of women you hang out with and it matters little - this is the part I was speaking of. Promises, broken or not, no matter WHAT. NO ONE deserves that sort of treatment, never. Ever. To make such assumptions is beyond the range of neanderthal thinking.
Sexual arousal of PLs is part of the hustle, the biggest part. It is well know by strippers and managers that when men become aroused critical thinking goes out the window and money flows.
Strippers say a PL can't understand what they go through because they are not strippers. A stripper can't understand what a PL goes through when he is teased and then left drunk with blue balls.
The business is built on getting PLs drunk and teasing/promising/inferring something he will not get, this promotes "neanderthal thinking". That is why I do not do lap dances let alone get suckered into 1K hustle rooms.
If you want to recite the feminist mantra you must be prepared to accept all of it; including the closing of strip clubs. After all that is the only way to protect the exploited women. As so many have said, management and the police do nothing to stop rape.
charlie61
05-15-2009, 07:19 PM
^ I think there's something to be said for this argument. It might not be right, it might not be wrong, and I don't want to get pulled into this debate, but there is some validity to what Earl is describing.
Just sayin'.
Hopper
05-15-2009, 07:22 PM
^Earl, you know that cockteasing is never a cue or excuse to start groping. If a girl rubbed her behind agaist my hard dick in a regular club, it would probably be a cue to make out on the spot. But in a strip club you know the dancer is just doing you a favour - it's a strip tease, not a cock tease. Of course it's to get money - the patron should be smart enough know that or at least not to assume otherwise.
However, you do have to expect the idiots.
charlie61
05-15-2009, 07:23 PM
^ It doesn't validate it, for sure. Still, there's something to be said about an industry that takes advantage of men using their biggest weakness.
I'm playing devil's advocate by saying Earl has a point. But I think it's healthy to consider all sides. Issues are rarely black and white.
hockeybobby
05-15-2009, 07:23 PM
I think you must live in an entirely different universe Earl.
Hopper
05-15-2009, 07:38 PM
^ It doesn't validate it, for sure. Still, there's something to be said about an industry that takes advantage of men using their biggest weakness.
I'm playing devil's advocate by saying Earl has a point. But I think it's healthy to consider all sides. Issues are rarely black and white.
The industry takes advantage of it, but you can also look at it as a service. IN any transaction, noth parties take advantage of each other - i.e. they only do it out of mutual interest. Personally I like being "taken advantage" of in this way. Some of the strippers do grind on me but for me it's just a thrill from some extra service which of course I know they give to encourage more business for themselves. It might give me the idea that they like me and maybe I'll pursue that, but only by asking for her number, not reaching for off-limits places on the spot.
Win-win!
Earl_the_Pearl
05-15-2009, 08:01 PM
I think you must live in an entirely different universe Earl.
This is not about Earl it is about customers abusing dancers and why. Some PLs can handle being drunk and frustrated and just take a cab home. Many normal men become Neanderthals when drunk. Add to that being broke and full of sexual frustration and abuse of strippers will happen.
That is the universe we all live in. The only way to stop it would be to totally enforce the laws and close clubs that violate them. Place a tip in a garter belt close the club.
GO-GO DANCERS
WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS ON GO-GO DANCING?
Go-Go dancing, just as other live entertainment, cannot involve persons under the age of 18 years (see “Age
Limits”) and cannot involve “lewd or immoral activity.” (N.J.A.C. 13:2-23.6.) Such lewd or immoral
activity generally involves the lack of attire or covering on genitals or “private parts,” as well as female
breasts. See-through garments and the use of “pasties” are not considered sufficient covering. Simulation
of sexual activity, even if clothed, is also prohibited. Dancers are not permitted to touch or be touched by
patrons, and this includes the placing of tips in the costume of the dancer. A dancer also cannot solicit
drinks from patrons.
mediocrity
05-15-2009, 08:11 PM
Edited for use of invectives. Thread closed for inability to conduct discussion civilly and respectfully.
Second of all, I'm going to go out on a limb. I HAVE been raped on the job, about four years ago, by an assole I promised nothing to. So all you PL's who cry foul, I have no sympathy for you. And GR, with your saying "It's all what hapened to me"... yeah it is. So you got ripped off? Big fucking deal. You didnt get sexually assaulted. And as a "cop" shame on you.
I'm out for a bit. I can't even hear this BS.