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Raysworld
05-03-2009, 09:43 AM
What kind of investment is it? initial investment?

Is it profitable, and what kind of return on investment can be expected?

What are some real issues that club owners have to deal with? Legal, or operational?

I was thinking about opening up a semi-upscale bikini-bar or strip-club


Im a big believer in quality of service. Which means keeping employees happy, first. And with a good business plan, any business with built on the premise of quality will succeed.

So anyone with any relevant information please share.

Thank you in advance.

Paris
05-03-2009, 10:02 AM
First you have master the use of the search function on this site...::)

Dirty Ernie
05-03-2009, 10:03 AM
No offense Ray, but if you don't have the accumen to determine this on your own, you really shouldn't consider it.

Unless in RaysWorld you are able to print RayDollars at will and can pass them as US dollars. ;D

*Iris*
05-03-2009, 10:06 AM
:rotfl::beat::banghead:

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 10:08 AM
No offense Ray, but if you don't have the accumen to determine this on your own, you really shouldn't consider it.

Unless in RaysWorld you are able to print RayDollars at will and can pass them as US dollars. ;D

determine on my own?

have you ever owned any sort of business that doesn't require a stand and some lemonaide?


Paris, yah, i haven't yet figured the site out completely. my fault. If you could guide me to some informational threads regarding the matter that would help. thank you.

Dirty Ernie
05-03-2009, 10:18 AM
determine on my own?

have you ever owned any sort of business that doesn't require a stand and some lemonaide?


Paris, yah, i haven't yet figured the site out completely. my fault. If you could guide me to some informational threads regarding the matter that would help. thank you.

Yes I have and do. Next time you,re in line at Mickey Dees, try asking the counter person how to become a franchisee. ::)

There is some info in past threads, cuz there are some smart entreprenurial women here, but how can you expect them to know about profitibilty or local ordinance issues, or a hundred other things that are specific to your locale?

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 10:26 AM
Yes I have and do. Next time you,re in line at Mickey Dees, try asking the counter person how to become a franchisee. ::)

There is some info in past threads, cuz there are some smart entreprenurial women here, but how can you expect them to know about profitibilty or local ordinance issues, or a hundred other things that are specific to your locale?


there are club owners that post on this forum...

WiseGuy_TX
05-03-2009, 10:28 AM
So anyone with any relevant information please share.


have you ever owned any sort of business that doesn't require a stand and some lemonaide?...then what was the logic in asking strippers & customers for relevant detailed SC business info?:detective

EDIT: you were not specific in who you wanted to respond, sounds like backpedaling.

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 10:32 AM
"there are club owners that post here"

WiseGuy_TX
05-03-2009, 10:34 AM
..."you were not specific in who you wanted to respond".

vmurphy252
05-03-2009, 10:37 AM
"Life is like a box of chocolates"

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 10:38 AM
..."you were not specific in who you wanted to respond".


anyone who has pertinent information

Kylea2
05-03-2009, 10:41 AM
Wow, Ray... I think you need to take a step back.

You posted that you are 25, and honestly at that age and with what I've seen you post I don't think you are fully aware of what this would entail.

First off, in case you haven't noticed we are in the middle of a very bad recession - and SCs are suffering big time from it. Now is not the time to be trying to open a new club.

Second, most cities are extremely strict about handing out a license for new strip clubs - and if they see that it's some young guy they are probably going to be even less likely. IF you actually have the capital for this my suggestion is that you go talk to some of the club owners in your area and see if anyone is interested in selling.

Third, I really think you should go work at a club before asking us for any more advice. You might want to try starting off as like a bouncer and see if you can work your way into management so you can see what the managers and owners deal with and what makes a club good or bad.

Kellydancer
05-03-2009, 10:48 AM
Why does every guy with no strip club experience think they can open one? Every single guy I know who opened a strip club without knowing how it works has gone out of business. Personally, I'd be very leery of these guys because most only do it to see or possibly date dancers.

WiseGuy_TX
05-03-2009, 10:53 AM
anyone...thus strippers & customers defeating the club owner theory.:detective

Kylea2
05-03-2009, 10:54 AM
California
http://us.businessesforsale.com/us/San-Diego-Strip-Club-Property-For-Sale.aspx
http://www.bizben.com/listings/139864.php

Arizona
http://www.loopnet.com/property/16031635/803-South-Magnolia-Avenue/

Florida
http://lite.globalbx.com/popular/adult-entertainment-businesses-for-sale/listing616032.html

Kylea2
05-03-2009, 10:59 AM
Why does every guy with no strip club experience think they can open one? Every single guy I know who opened a strip club without knowing how it works has gone out of business. Personally, I'd be very leery of these guys because most only do it to see or possibly date dancers.

Apparently from the outside it looks easy.

Locally we had a club that opened up a few years ago... BEAUTIFUL place - but lots of problems right off the bat. Three guys with no SC experience opened it. After they opened they realized that they needed a manager with experience so they talked a manager into leaving another nice club - and then couldn't afford to pay him for 6 months! They were serving drinks from plastic cups because they couldn't afford to purchase glasses, the drugs were rampant, oh and best of all their insurance was sky high because they put in these HUGE poles - and the insurance company told them the dancer's wouldn't be allowed to climb up past about 12 ft... lot of good that did them! The place has been re-sold multiple times now and they only people that frequent it are the guys that have no money because they put it on the wrong side of town and no one even sees it!

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 11:06 AM
Wow, Ray... I think you need to take a step back.

You posted that you are 25, and honestly at that age and with what I've seen you post I don't think you are fully aware of what this would entail.

First off, in case you haven't noticed we are in the middle of a very bad recession - and SCs are suffering big time from it. Now is not the time to be trying to open a new club.

Second, most cities are extremely strict about handing out a license for new strip clubs - and if they see that it's some young guy they are probably going to be even less likely. IF you actually have the capital for this my suggestion is that you go talk to some of the club owners in your area and see if anyone is interested in selling.

Third, I really think you should go work at a club before asking us for any more advice. You might want to try starting off as like a bouncer and see if you can work your way into management so you can see what the managers and owners deal with and what makes a club good or bad.


look, im not going to open one up on the basis of what I read here, obviously. Im just trying to get a guage of numbers from people on this site that might have that kind of info.

We own resteraunts, gas stations, and other franchise businesses. I know fully well how businesses work. And I completely agree that it is foolish to get into a business without having been in it.

the recession has hit us all. But people that understand the game know how to tweak business to profit. Offering different services or catering to a niche market. When, and if, I ever open a SC it will be after lots market and bus. analysis.

Back to the question. Anyone that is a manager or owner of a club, your respnse is appreciated.

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 11:10 AM
Why does every guy with no strip club experience think they can open one? Every single guy I know who opened a strip club without knowing how it works has gone out of business. Personally, I'd be very leery of these guys because most only do it to see or possibly date dancers.

this is absolutely ridiculous, and quite absurd as far as im concerned.

Im going to invest arguably 4-500K to fucking date you?

you are either retarded or delusional.

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 11:14 AM
Apparently from the outside it looks easy.

Locally we had a club that opened up a few years ago... BEAUTIFUL place - but lots of problems right off the bat. Three guys with no SC experience opened it. After they opened they realized that they needed a manager with experience so they talked a manager into leaving another nice club - and then couldn't afford to pay him for 6 months! They were serving drinks from plastic cups because they couldn't afford to purchase glasses, the drugs were rampant, oh and best of all their insurance was sky high because they put in these HUGE poles - and the insurance company told them the dancer's wouldn't be allowed to climb up past about 12 ft... lot of good that did them! The place has been re-sold multiple times now and they only people that frequent it are the guys that have no money because they put it on the wrong side of town and no one even sees it!


thanks for sharing that story. that is bad news.

alot of people in general do poorly because they invest without knowing what they are investing in. If I was to invest, I would get the required experience.

lack of research and experience is why 9 out of 10 businesses fail

Kylea2
05-03-2009, 11:18 AM
I know fully well how businesses work. And I completely agree that it is foolish to get into a business without having been in it.

So what job have you done in a club? How much time have you spent dealing with dancers?

Honestly, I don't think anyone with less than 12 to 15 years of experience in this business should even consider opening up their own club. Out of all the clubs I have ever worked at I have only seen 1 really great manager. It seems like clubs always have problems and rarely are making money unless they are part of a franchise like Deja Vu, VCGH, Christies, Rick's etc.

If you want to go open up a BRAND NEW club I would strongly suggest a franchise.

I'm not trying to be rude to you, but I am telling you that realistically SC are one of the hardest businesses in the United States to run successfully and profitably. Other than straight up porn there aren't many other businesses where the government and public has built up so many barriers to keep you from starting this type of business and being successful at it.

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 11:22 AM
So what job have you done in a club? How much time have you spent dealing with dancers?

Honestly, I don't think anyone with less than 12 to 15 years of experience in this business should even consider opening up their own club. Out of all the clubs I have ever worked at I have only seen 1 really great manager. It seems like clubs always have problems and rarely are making money unless they are part of a franchise like Deja Vu, VCGH, Christies, Rick's etc.

If you want to go open up a BRAND NEW club I would strongly suggest a franchise.

I'm not trying to be rude to you, but I am telling you that realistically SC are one of the hardest businesses in the United States to run successfully and profitably. Other than straight up porn there aren't many other businesses where the government and public has built up so many barriers to keep you from starting this type of business and being successful at it.

Thanks for posting that. Yes, if i did open something up it would be a franchise. I think bikini bars tend to be more profitable than strip clubs. ill look into it more.

im just curious as to what kind of numbers owners are getting and putting forward. they don't have to be specific

verfolgung
05-03-2009, 11:45 AM
Here are some of the past threads:

"Dead Serious: I want to open a club! Help!"
http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=92678

"I want to open my own strip club"
http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=68471

"Ever thought about buying a club?
http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=66022
(SCJ Site Thread)

"Opening New Club, would like Dancer's advice"
http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=60068

"Opening a Club"
http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=28515

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 11:47 AM
thanks for posting all of that verfolgung

JayATee
05-03-2009, 11:58 AM
Paris, yah, i haven't yet figured the site out completely. my fault. If you could guide me to some informational threads regarding the matter that would help. thank you.

Go to the top of the page. Click "search". Type in your search parameters and click "Go".

Crow2
05-03-2009, 12:12 PM
No offense Ray, but if you don't have the accumen to determine this on your own, you really shouldn't consider it.

Unless in RaysWorld you are able to print RayDollars at will and can pass them as US dollars. ;D


Now THAT was funny! }:D

Kellydancer
05-03-2009, 12:36 PM
this is absolutely ridiculous, and quite absurd as far as im concerned.

Im going to invest arguably 4-500K to fucking date you?

you are either retarded or delusional.

The one delusional is you. I know all about your type who open without experience. Then they complain because they can't get decent dancers. Or they complain because it costs more than they realized. Or they charge ridiculous amounts to work there and can't figure out why the dancers don't stay. Or they don't understand why the dancers don't want to date the owners. I've seen it all from dancing to opening my own party agency.

For some unexplained reason the adult industry gets people with no experience who think they can do it. If someone who never cut hair decided to open a beauty salon people would laugh.

Melonie
05-03-2009, 05:19 PM
PS Ray I hope that you aren't thinking about opening a club in California ( which your siggy shows is your home state). If so, there are two major new trends working against you ...

A. the California DOL has ruled that clubs must now treat exotic dancers as 'employees' ... complete with employer paid workmen's comp, unemployment insurance, social security tax etc. These expenses cut into the club's profit margin, which prompts the clubs to claim a higher percentage of private dance / VIP room sales as the club's 'cut', and in turn serves as an incentive for the 'best' dancers to seek work in other states where they can work as independent contractors and thus keep a greater percentage of their private dance / VIP room sales for themselves.

B. California municipalities, in efforts to stem local budget shortfalls, are basically refusing to investigate or prosecute prostitution which takes place outside the public view. This is virtually guaranteed to turn any new California club into a whorehouse.

Paris
05-03-2009, 05:50 PM
this is absolutely ridiculous, and quite absurd as far as im concerned.

Im going to invest arguably 4-500K to fucking date you?

you are either retarded or delusional.

First, you can't even buy a middle class house in most of the major urban areas of the west coast for $400K much less a strip club. Try more along the lines of $15 million.

Second, the vast majority of strip club owners date the strippers. This is not a secret. I've worked at quite a few clubs that some punk-ass coke head inherited a ton of cash from a family member, and was out of business in less than 5 years. I know of one strip club that a widow took over the operations and has been raking in the cash ever since. Her husband nearly bankrupted the family in his quest to get the girls in bed, however.

It happens all the damn time! You are making yourself into a fool with these ridiculous posts. You know nothing about strip clubs aside from what you fantasize about. it's work, a lot of work to run a business. You can multiply that by 10 when running a strip club. Forget about ever having a life after buying a club.

Me, I want to own a club, too. I at least know what I'm getting into, know how things work. You would be as likely to end up dead in a ditch at the hands of a competitor as you would end up in bankruptcy court. You want to own a club? First go get a job as a dishwasher or bar back and work your way up to bouncer or DJ. Then after about 5 years as a reliable bouncer, you will be eligible for promotion to bar tender or manager (sometimes these are one in the same). Then after about another 5 years in that position, you might be educated enough to think about buying a club, but I would guess that you'd sooner eat a bullet than condemn yourself to a life time of strip club ownership.

Talk to me in 10 years after you've had your strip club education. I may need a night shift manager by then. :finger:

Kylea2
05-03-2009, 06:10 PM
You know nothing about strip clubs aside from what you fantasize about. it's work, a lot of work to run a business. You can multiply that by 10 when running a strip club. Forget about ever having a life after buying a club.

Me, I want to own a club, too. I at least know what I'm getting into, know how things work. You would be as likely to end up dead in a ditch at the hands of a competitor as you would end up in bankruptcy court. You want to own a club? First go get a job as a dishwasher or bar back and work your way up to bouncer or DJ. Then after about 5 years as a reliable bouncer, you will be eligible for promotion to bar tender or manager (sometimes these are one in the same). Then after about another 5 years in that position, you might be educated enough to think about buying a club, but I would guess that you'd sooner eat a bullet than condemn yourself to a life time of strip club ownership.

Talk to me in 10 years after you've had your strip club education. I may need a night shift manager by then. :finger:


Honestly, I don't think anyone with less than 12 to 15 years of experience in this business should even consider opening up their own club.

It's good to know that other PROFESSIONAL people on here think that it takes about that same amount of time to really know this business! I don't know why people don't get that the adult industry is no where close to the rest of the business world. I mean all industries have their differences and learning curves, but not all industries have the government and society practically working against them. Not to mention *dare I get flamed for this* some of the most unpredictable "contractors" or employees around.

Kellydancer
05-03-2009, 08:16 PM
It's good to know that other PROFESSIONAL people on here think that it takes about that same amount of time to really know this business! I don't know why people don't get that the adult industry is no where close to the rest of the business world. I mean all industries have their differences and learning curves, but not all industries have the government and society practically working against them. Not to mention *dare I get flamed for this* some of the most unpredictable "contractors" or employees around.

Because many non adult industry people think it's all money and no problems. They don't realize it's a hard business in many ways. They don't realize that simple things can become jail time. Owning a strip club is much harder than owning a bar.

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 08:25 PM
First, you can't even buy a middle class house in most of the major urban areas of the west coast for $400K much less a strip club. Try more along the lines of $15 million.

Second, the vast majority of strip club owners date the strippers. This is not a secret. I've worked at quite a few clubs that some punk-ass coke head inherited a ton of cash from a family member, and was out of business in less than 5 years. I know of one strip club that a widow took over the operations and has been raking in the cash ever since. Her husband nearly bankrupted the family in his quest to get the girls in bed, however.

It happens all the damn time! You are making yourself into a fool with these ridiculous posts. You know nothing about strip clubs aside from what you fantasize about. it's work, a lot of work to run a business. You can multiply that by 10 when running a strip club. Forget about ever having a life after buying a club.

Me, I want to own a club, too. I at least know what I'm getting into, know how things work. You would be as likely to end up dead in a ditch at the hands of a competitor as you would end up in bankruptcy court. You want to own a club? First go get a job as a dishwasher or bar back and work your way up to bouncer or DJ. Then after about 5 years as a reliable bouncer, you will be eligible for promotion to bar tender or manager (sometimes these are one in the same). Then after about another 5 years in that position, you might be educated enough to think about buying a club, but I would guess that you'd sooner eat a bullet than condemn yourself to a life time of strip club ownership.

Talk to me in 10 years after you've had your strip club education. I may need a night shift manager by then. :finger:


$15 million!?!?!!?!?! lady are you crazy?!

i should have clarified that $500K would be my liquid investment. I was talking in terms return on initial investment.

a 4,500 sq ft building w/ parking wouldn't cost more than 2 million here in nor-cal.


but 15 million? I wouldn't open a strip-club if i had that kind of capital. and no it would not cost that much.


and yes, i would work for you any day of the week.8)

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 08:29 PM
seriously, i can't stop laughing about 15 mill.

LOL!

that was a good one

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 08:34 PM
Listing off of bizben:

" Description:
Adult Nightclub With Hard Liquor. One Of A Kind Adult Entertainment. Unlimited Potential For This Unique Gentlemen's Nightclub. Full Liquor License. Live Performers. Multiple Plasma Screens. Complete Sound System. Full Stage Lighting. Remodeled Bathrooms. Cooking Kitchen With Large Walk-In.

Dressing Room For Talent. Live Music. Fully Stocked Liquor Bar. Billiard Tables. Dj Booth. Outdoor Smoking And Drinking Patio With Tables And Chairs. Video Games. Cigarette Sales. Tvís. All Remodeled: Huge Long Corner Bar, Padded Stools, Chairs, Tables, Interior And Exterior Lighting. Separate Office For Manager And Staff. Plenty Of Parking.

Front Entrance Ticket Window For Special Events. Live Bands Possible. Stay Open 7 Days For Lunch To Happy Hour Customers Through Late At Night Then Into The Early Morning 2 AM Hours Serving Beer, Wine, Food, Games, Along With Full Liquor Service While Providing Great Live Performance Adult Entertainment And Music. Atm Machines. High Volume Cash Flow. Huge Potential To Expand. Repeat Loyal Customers. Possible Dance Floor. Stand Alone Building. Operating For Over 30 Years In This Current Secluded Location.

This Gentlemen's Bar Is Distinctive. Live Stage Shows. Real Exotic Dancers. Go-Go Bar. Adult Cabaret. Establish A Cover Charge For Special Events. Make This Nightclub Into Your Own Bada Bing!

No Competition In The Area. A Unique And Exclusive Bar For Adults Only."


ASKING PRICE - $360,000


LOL

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 08:36 PM
PS Ray I hope that you aren't thinking about opening a club in California ( which your siggy shows is your home state). If so, there are two major new trends working against you ...

A. the California DOL has ruled that clubs must now treat exotic dancers as 'employees' ... complete with employer paid workmen's comp, unemployment insurance, social security tax etc. These expenses cut into the club's profit margin, which prompts the clubs to claim a higher percentage of private dance / VIP room sales as the club's 'cut', and in turn serves as an incentive for the 'best' dancers to seek work in other states where they can work as independent contractors and thus keep a greater percentage of their private dance / VIP room sales for themselves.

B. California municipalities, in efforts to stem local budget shortfalls, are basically refusing to investigate or prosecute prostitution which takes place outside the public view. This is virtually guaranteed to turn any new California club into a whorehouse.

Melenie, thanks for this post.

ill look into the details.

babybambi08
05-03-2009, 08:53 PM
1st. I would say this is not the place to be getting advise for opening up a business.
2. I dont know any club owners that go here.
3. if you, as you said "WE" have gas stations ect. and you are 25, and you are supposed to be in Medical school? you said in another post you were taking the MCAT??
I dont believe anything you are saying.. I would say if you "own" a business other than a cleaning service or lawn care at 25 and attend college you would have had to have it given to you.
3. you defently would need to work in a club for a few years.
4. I would defently take some business course at a college level- thats just what I would do.
5. who says a franchise will make more? you do know you have to pay $$$,$$$ to have a franchise, that usually doesnt include the building, and everything else.. just the name.
6. and I havent been to a bikin bar, but I would not go to one.. I wouldnt pay to see girls in their bikin when I can see them topless or naked ( I wouldnt want the naked but thats me)

Paris
05-03-2009, 08:54 PM
Listing off of bizben:

" Description:
Adult Nightclub With Hard Liquor. One Of A Kind Adult Entertainment. Unlimited Potential For This Unique Gentlemen's Nightclub. Full Liquor License. Live Performers. Multiple Plasma Screens. Complete Sound System. Full Stage Lighting. Remodeled Bathrooms. Cooking Kitchen With Large Walk-In.

Dressing Room For Talent. Live Music. Fully Stocked Liquor Bar. Billiard Tables. Dj Booth. Outdoor Smoking And Drinking Patio With Tables And Chairs. Video Games. Cigarette Sales. Tvís. All Remodeled: Huge Long Corner Bar, Padded Stools, Chairs, Tables, Interior And Exterior Lighting. Separate Office For Manager And Staff. Plenty Of Parking.

Front Entrance Ticket Window For Special Events. Live Bands Possible. Stay Open 7 Days For Lunch To Happy Hour Customers Through Late At Night Then Into The Early Morning 2 AM Hours Serving Beer, Wine, Food, Games, Along With Full Liquor Service While Providing Great Live Performance Adult Entertainment And Music. Atm Machines. High Volume Cash Flow. Huge Potential To Expand. Repeat Loyal Customers. Possible Dance Floor. Stand Alone Building. Operating For Over 30 Years In This Current Secluded Location.

This Gentlemen's Bar Is Distinctive. Live Stage Shows. Real Exotic Dancers. Go-Go Bar. Adult Cabaret. Establish A Cover Charge For Special Events. Make This Nightclub Into Your Own Bada Bing!

No Competition In The Area. A Unique And Exclusive Bar For Adults Only."


ASKING PRICE - $360,000


LOL

That's a lot of money for some furniture and a cabaret license don't you think? What about the real estate that the club sits on? You will be out $360K if the city decides that your business is no longer welcomed. There is a supreme court decision that municipalities can cite to shut down adult businesses, and they (cities) do it all the time. Look up the Erie v. Paps decision for the rational of lower courts rescinding cabaret licensing.

Save yourself the heartache and get an upscale coffee shop instead. If you don't own the building you may as well just blow all your money on lap dances. At least you'll enjoy yourself while spending your $360K. If you owned the real estate, you have a plan b to fall back on.

Read some of my prognostications on the future of the stripping industry. I've been right for the last 7 years with how the future of stripping is shaping up. The handwriting is in the wall, all you have to do is read it.

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 09:05 PM
That's a lot of money for some furniture and a cabaret license don't you think? What about the real estate that the club sits on? You will be out $360K if the city decides that your business is no longer welcomed. There is a supreme court decision that municipalities can cite to shut down adult businesses, and they (cities) do it all the time. Look up the Erie v. Paps decision for the rational of lower courts rescinding cabaret licensing.

Save yourself the heartache and get an upscale coffee shop instead. If you don't own the building you may as well just blow all your money on lap dances. At least you'll enjoy yourself while spending your $360K. If you owned the real estate, you have a plan b to fall back on.

Read some of my prognostications on the future of the stripping industry. I've been right for the last 7 years with how the future of stripping is shaping up. The handwriting is in the wall, all you have to do is read it.

the bizben example was just to show you the listings that were available.

Speremint Rhino in LV MIGHT be 15 million.

but my estimate of around 2 mill for contemporary 5000 sq. ft bikini bar/sports-tavern is correct. And that would be with land.

And please don't slight me without knowing anything about me. Coffee shop? really?

We own 4 sonics 5 subways 2 chevrons and 1 76 gas station. I run a managment team for my dad and 2 other partners.

Total assets around 20mill


Paris, i don't know what i said to "e-anger" you, but I assure you...im not trying to "troll" anyone.

All i wanted to know was what kind of numbers i can expect, and some of the hurdles that would come in the way. i've gotten some good responses, but mostly ad homenim attacks. i dont get it.

Crow2
05-03-2009, 09:14 PM
Your not thinking of the total cost - Lawyers ( On call )
Liquor licensing

Every county is different, what if you choose to purchase said land and building in a country where you are tied in court for years?

Employees, stocking the bar and so on..

Really, listen to people with EXPERIENCE and that have been in the business for YEARS.
You might know about business and how it works, but you have NO IDEA how to run, operate and maintain a Strip Club type business.

With your bad attitude and unwillingness to listen to people in the know, you are doomed from the get go.

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 09:15 PM
1st. I would say this is not the place to be getting advise for opening up a business.
2. I dont know any club owners that go here.
3. if you, as you said "WE" have gas stations ect. and you are 25, and you are supposed to be in Medical school? you said in another post you were taking the MCAT??
I dont believe anything you are saying.. I would say if you "own" a business other than a cleaning service or lawn care at 25 and attend college you would have had to have it given to you.
3. you defently would need to work in a club for a few years.
4. I would defently take some business course at a college level- thats just what I would do.
5. who says a franchise will make more? you do know you have to pay $$$,$$$ to have a franchise, that usually doesnt include the building, and everything else.. just the name.
6. and I havent been to a bikin bar, but I would not go to one.. I wouldnt pay to see girls in their bikin when I can see them topless or naked ( I wouldnt want the naked but thats me)


1. Why not?
2. There is a section in the user profile that allows you to pick "Club Owner/Promoter" so I naturally assumed there would be some here.
3. My dad owns a management company that owns various businesses. I am a partner in that company. I have degree in physics from cal poly, and it took care of pre-med courses. I've take business classes, and math classes and other class. Thank you. I want to see where i can get in to medschool; if i get in anywhere decent ill take that route because I love sports-med...ive worked in the UCSF ortho dept. as well. Please don't judge me before knowing anything about me.
4. Irrelevant
5. I want to be the franchisOR
6. Im thinking of a more riskay/contemporary version of a hooters. Girls in bikins, dance-pole area and plasma TVs for sports and events.

Kylea2
05-03-2009, 09:18 PM
Ahh, now we know more.

I think you should go talk to your father about all of this.

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 09:20 PM
Your not thinking of the total cost - Lawyers ( On call )
Liquor licensing

Every county is different, what if you choose to purchase said land and building in a country where you are tied in court for years?

Employees, stocking the bar and so on..

Really, listen to people with EXPERIENCE and that have been in the business for YEARS.
You might know about business and how it works, but you have NO IDEA how to run, operate and maintain a Strip Club type business.

With your bad attitude and unwillingness to listen to people in the know, you are doomed from the get go.

Lawyer- have two

Liqour License- 200K max? lol

i will definitely agree that i need more experience and information which is why im on here asking.

didn't know ide get flamed.

you ladies are a tough crowd.

still looking for any club owners/managers to chime in.

thnks crow



"15 MILLION DOLLORS!" *said with pinky to lips like Dr Evil*

}:D

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 09:22 PM
Ahh, now we know more.

I think you should go talk to your father about all of this.

LOL

this is probably something im going to do- IF FEASABLE - with a buddy

Kylea2
05-03-2009, 09:27 PM
How did I already know you were going to say that?

I still think you should talk to your father. He's older, obviously you will probably listen to him better than us. If he thinks you actually are capable of this he'll find a lawyer and some other people who can help get you set up.

Paris
05-03-2009, 09:27 PM
the bizben example was just to show you the listings that were available.

Speremint Rhino in LV MIGHT be 15 million.

but my estimate of around 2 mill for contemporary 5000 sq. ft bikini bar/sports-tavern is correct. And that would be with land.

And please don't slight me without knowing anything about me. Coffee shop? really?

We own 4 sonics 5 subways 2 chevrons and 1 76 gas station. I run a managment team for my dad and 2 other partners.

Total assets around 20mill


Paris, i don't know what i said to "e-anger" you, but I assure you...im not trying to "troll" anyone.

All i wanted to know was what kind of numbers i can expect, and some of the hurdles that would come in the way. i've gotten some good responses, but mostly ad homenim attacks. i dont get it.

Well, if you already know everything then why ask for advice?

I once knew a club owner much in your situation. He's cooling his heels in prison because his employees fucked him by dealing drugs out of his club. Eventually someone was killed in the enterprise and it involved a 17 year old kid.

Your success or failure in the stripping business is all in who you know. The aforementioned club owner was here on stripperweb. He came off as much more respectful of the business than you are (he was still a prick, I knew him personally. Oh and long time SWers, it isn't who you might think). I don't think you know what you are attempting to get involved in, and this isn't e-anger; it is reality. Buy a ticket to the club owners convention in Vegas this year. Be sure to introduce yourself, I'll be wearing devil horns.}:D

Crow2
05-03-2009, 09:30 PM
Lawyer- have two

Liqour License- 200K max? lol

i will definitely agree that i need more experience and information which is why im on here asking.

didn't know ide get flamed.

you ladies are a tough crowd.

still looking for any club owners/managers to chime in.

thnks crow



"15 MILLION DOLLORS!" *said with pinky to lips like Dr Evil*

}:D



You are still not listening.. GO TO WORK IN A STRIP CLUB, you will never , ever be able to see how one works from the outside.

Geezus christ, this is like beating ones head up against a brick wall. I just hope you don't wind up dead in a ditch somewhere.

Paris
05-03-2009, 09:31 PM
1. Why not?
2. There is a section in the user profile that allows you to pick "Club Owner/Promoter" so I naturally assumed there would be some here.
3. My dad owns a management company that owns various businesses. I am a partner in that company. I have degree in physics from cal poly, and it took care of pre-med courses. I've take business classes, and math classes and other class. Thank you. I want to see where i can get in to medschool; if i get in anywhere decent ill take that route because I love sports-med...ive worked in the UCSF ortho dept. as well. Please don't judge me before knowing anything about me.
4. Irrelevant
5. I want to be the franchisOR
6. Im thinking of a more riskay/contemporary version of a hooters. Girls in bikins, dance-pole area and plasma TVs for sports and events.


Oh, well in that case I'd like to invite you to my "How to run a successful strip club" seminar. First, send your reservation deposit of $2000 to ...

Kylea2
05-03-2009, 09:32 PM
Buy a ticket to the club owners convention in Vegas this year. Be sure to introduce yourself, I'll be wearing devil horns.}:D

Great advice!

http://www.edpublications.com/

Athenathefabulous
05-03-2009, 09:35 PM
Upscale bikini bar seems to be a bit of an oxymoron to me... do these exist anywhere?

Inheriting Daddy's business doesnt qualify you to run a strip club. As everyone else has been saying, this is a different niche. The public does not frown upon gas stations and subway like it does upon strip clubs. Maybe some people will be ticked that sonic contributes to obesity and hippies might bitch at you for the gas, but nothing real like lawmakers actively trying to get rid of a local strip club.

I dont think your physics major would really aid in running a business. The business classes might help, but i dont see your knowledge of infinite potential wells or ability to draw a kickass free body diagram as being usefull skills in running a strip club. Some math is needed, but i dont think that is the most useful subject for this business, and that is coming from a Math major. Maybe up to calculus 2 or the most basic of differential equations. Statistics could be useful, being able with numbers is great, but beyond that advanced math is probably not going to help in any way other than making you sound smart on paper.

If you are just making it like hooters, you might not need to go through as much bullshit. Would lapdances be offered? Depending on where you are, having bikini dancers with no nudity who don't offer lapdances might not even qualify as adult entertainment (who knows, the poles might do it though).

Raysworld
05-03-2009, 09:41 PM
Well, if you already know everything then why ask for advice?

I once knew a club owner much in your situation. He's cooling his heels in prison because his employees fucked him by dealing drugs out of his club. Eventually someone was killed in the enterprise and it involved a 17 year old kid.

Your success or failure in the stripping business is all in who you know. The aforementioned club owner was here on stripperweb. He came off as much more respectful of the business than you are (he was still a prick, I knew him personally. Oh and long time SWers, it isn't who you might think). I don't think you know what you are attempting to get involved in, and this isn't e-anger; it is reality. Buy a ticket to the club owners convention in Vegas this year. Be sure to introduce yourself, I'll be wearing devil horns.}:D


Paris, im not a prick. you would love me in real life. i come on here for about an hour or so to dick around. i think my sense of humor or clearly lack thereof is lost in e-translation.

i made thread because i had a lunch at hooters the other day and then came on this site to check on my threads, and it hit me...why not make a contemporary version of hooters.

stories like the one of the 17 yr old and the club owner are tragic and appalling. I am no where near that schemy or sleezy. I would never open a business with that kind of work environment.

reading some of the stuff here really does shock me, and I don't think im mentally/emotionally equipt for a career in the SC business. Some of the stuff ive read about prostitution and misconduct of the dancers makes me sick to my stomach.

probably going to stop posting.

se la vi paris!!!!

email me at [email protected] if you are serious about opening up a business. maybe we can shoot ideas off each other.