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jack0177057
05-14-2009, 08:07 AM
All these links you post take time to download and then play through. I either didn't make it to the good parts or couldn't find them on the menus. So flashy and different that I can't even find my way around. Stupid pretentiousness right from the start. I wonder if I'd be able to find the entrance to one of these avante-guarde joints.
Yeah, these places are a little "flashy", but it doesn't have to be... All you need is a stage, a few props, and you can put on a show in any club...
jack0177057
05-14-2009, 08:10 AM
All these links you post take time to download and then play through. I either didn't make it to the good parts or couldn't find them on the menus. So flashy and different that I can't even find my way around. Stupid pretentiousness right from the start. I wonder if I'd be able to find the entrance to one of these avante-guarde joints.
Here is the Crazy Horse in Vegas, it's more user friendly -
http://www.mgmgrand.com/entertainment/crazy-horse-show.aspx
SerenaSin
05-14-2009, 08:50 AM
That's it, queer it up. We don't want it all to be about sexy girls do we? In a STRIP CLUB. Already I've seen burlesque performers and professional dancers of various kinds incorporate their chosen field into SC stage sets and it usually works okay. It's okay - even nicer - for it to be artistic, as long as it is still mainly a strip tease. Don't get carried away with artistic pretensions. You'll just end up with bad strip teases and bad art.
I love queering things up, personally. ;D
jack0177057
05-14-2009, 02:07 PM
I love queering things up, personally. ;D
If by "queering things up" you mean two sexy girls doing something indecent... I am all in favor of that, too...:)
Earl_the_Pearl
05-14-2009, 04:28 PM
And so the jockeying for Alpha male position begins.
Alpha males do not go to SC as a PL. Strippers give Alpha males the PL's money.
Golden_Rule
05-14-2009, 09:06 PM
How would you feel about visiting a club that had an instituted a low hustle atmosphere? For instance, a club that mandated that the girls use a soft sell method and paid the dancers an hourly wage instead and no house fees to take the financial pressure off them and allow them to relax while working.
Of course, I recognize there may be a problem with dancers getting lazy and just hiding out between stage sets, but if there was a way to overcome that issue, would you prefer a soft sell to a strong hustle? I can see the appeal of the strong come-on by many dancers as well.
What would be your ideal (legal, of course) club experience? Do you like the girls basically fighting for your $$attentions$$ or would you rather a more mellow club experience?
I think such a place would be ideal for winding down, for perhaps bringing an open minded date, or for conducting business.
The latter being the state of many high end clubs in their hey-day when the three martini lunch was still in vogue and better strip-clubs where the place you brought clients to close deals. There was real money in strip-clubs back then.
Very hard to conduct real business with a dancer in your face every 30 seconds trying to sell a dance, but a low hustle place can make an ideal setting with a client who likes pretty women to get business done.
Hopper
05-15-2009, 12:16 AM
I think such a place would be ideal for winding down, for perhaps bringing an open minded date, or for conducting business.
The latter being the state of many high end clubs in their hey-day when the three martini lunch was still in vogue and better strip-clubs where the place you brought clients to close deals. There was real money in strip-clubs back then.
Very hard to conduct real business with a dancer in your face every 30 seconds trying to sell a dance, but a low hustle place can make an ideal setting with a client who likes pretty women to get business done.
Those types of clubs came to mind for me also when I was reading jack's posts. That I could take, but probably not afford. The part about taking dates there I disagre with. No date wants another attractive girl getting your attemtion. There is not point being in a SC if you're not allowed to look.
Hopper
05-15-2009, 12:18 AM
If by "queering things up" you mean two sexy girls doing something indecent... I am all in favor of that, too...:)
Alright alright, you all know what I meant by "queering it up" in reference to jack's psot about arty SCs. It's like a Fab Four makeover of a strip club or letting the local lefty arts theatre company take it over.
Hopper
05-15-2009, 12:20 AM
Alpha males do not go to SC as a PL. Strippers give Alpha males the PL's money.
How often do you think I go?
Golden_Rule
05-15-2009, 01:12 AM
part about taking dates there I disagre with. No date wants another attractive girl getting your attemtion. There is not point being in a SC if you're not allowed to look.
Apparently you've never been a single swinger dating other, female, swingers; or a married/involved one taking a third out on a date together. :)
Please note I said "open minded woman". :)
A lot of those women don't mind a strip-club for drinks to finish off an evening of other entertainment and a good meal. Its a kin to the old night-clubs that no longer exist which had chorus lines of sexily clad female dancers.
What many of them don't like is truly raunchy strip-clubs with 'wanna dance' vibes.
Hopper
05-15-2009, 01:43 AM
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Apparently you've never been a single swinger dating other, female, swingers; or a married/involved one taking a third out on a date together. :)
Please note I said "open minded woman". :)
A lot of those women don't mind a strip-club for drinks to finish off an evening of other entertainment and a good meal. Its a kin to the old night-clubs that no longer exist which had chorus lines of sexily clad female dancers.
What many of them don't like is truly raunchy strip-clubs with 'wanna dance' vibes.
LOL I was thinking when I first read that, "no woman is that open-minded". Should have said no normal date. Yes I've seen some women with their men as partners in crime, but I personally don't go for that. It's like his date is his buddy. Not romantic.
Okay, you got me a little with the bit about how dates don't mind attending dance shows or say a movie with good looking naked girls in it. But at a SC neither of you can even pretend that there is some other reason you are watching.
jack0177057
05-15-2009, 08:21 AM
No date wants another attractive girl getting your attemtion.
It depends on the woman... But, in my experience, most "modern" women don't mind going to an UPSCALE gentleman's club with their BF on a special occasion... Obviously, don't do it on the first date and don't UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES take her to the sleaziest SC in town. I've got a really nice upscale SC close to home that has couples day on Saturdays. You can buy a bottle of champagne and strawberries for two. Instead of buying lap dances, you can pay the dancers to teach your GF the art of erotic dancing (at $20 per song)... or you can have both the dancer and your GF dance for you at the same time in a private booth! Just make sure to keep this ratio: eyes on GF 80% of the time - on dancer 20% of the time... or you won't be getting any tail when you need it most critically.
The SC I go to also has an adjacent bar with live music and the dancers generally stay away from that area... So it is a good place to go if my date looks uncomfortable...
stressed
05-15-2009, 03:51 PM
Your idea seems good but i still wonder if the ladies would make much. I look for happy strippers and a stripper making good money is a happy stripper. Isnt part of the reason why someone strips is those 1000.00 dollar nights. It seems that there is no room for a great pay all my bills for the month night.
I personally would love to go into a club that has a seperate room (i realize you could not make the whole club this way) for people who would like to pay say 3-500.00 for x amount of time and that the girls working that room would get the money for the night but yet they would sit with the customers talk do lap dances drink and have an easier time. This would be different than a vip room with the dancer working for the hour and then searching for a new man. It is hard to explain but if i had the opportunity to talk to a number of different girls and not worry about whether i am taking care of them before i see another one it would help me out. I know this would be harder to pull off then it sounds but it would be ideal for me. I tend to spend between 5-800 in a club in anywheres from 4-6 hours. Regardless if someone says yeah but that is only 125.00 an hour for the stripper, well if it is paid in advance and she knows she is making a decent nights money it might put her at ease also.
How to do it i do not know maybe start a vip list of guys that you INTERVIEW (so as to keep the assholes out). Would there be a market here? Maybe only on Friday and Saturday vips would notify in advance and say you have 8 vips booked and could make sure you had the girls there that would entertain. Maybe to complicated, but it sure would be nice. I am sure you would run into some problems with two guys that have a fav come in the same time, and they not wanting to meet someone new, but all plans have hiccups.
I would sign a contract if needed with stuff like you will not take a dancer and ask her to continuously dance for 3 hours or that dancers must move every hour, or other little things that might cause problems. I just feel like the dancers would be pleased and more at ease. Maybe they would be able to put on a good face even for the guys that they sit with for the hour that are not like me.:P;D There of course would be many things that would have to be worked out.
Anyway that is my ideal club. Sorry so long. I would also be interested to know if any dancers here would like to work in such a room.
Earl_the_Pearl
05-15-2009, 06:25 PM
How often do you think I go?
I never thought about it. :thinking:
Golden_Rule
05-16-2009, 05:47 AM
Okay, you got me a little with the bit about how dates don't mind attending dance shows or say a movie with good looking naked girls in it. But at a SC neither of you can even pretend that there is some other reason you are watching.
No, but no one need to if the club is simply a place to watch pretty women dance in various states of dress.
Whole different thing if it is also about rubbing up on them.
Neither is bad. Just different. [see a few of my trip reports on blue on SC visits with various female - some strippers themselves - friends/lovers and associates.]
Hopper
05-16-2009, 05:54 AM
No, but no one need to if the club is simply a place to watch pretty women dance in various states of dress.
Whole different thing if it is also about rubbing up on them.
Neither is bad. Just different.
Wasn't that my point to you?
Golden_Rule
05-16-2009, 07:54 AM
Wasn't that my point to you?
If it was than we concur. :)
Earl_the_Pearl
05-16-2009, 08:06 AM
If it was than we concur. :)
:grouphug:
Hopper
05-16-2009, 08:48 AM
If it was than we concur. :)
My point wasn't that nobody needs to pretend they are at a SC for some other reason, but that they can't. Unlike a dance show with scantily clad female dancers where you can pretend with your date that you are there to watch the dancig rather than ogle girls.
I don't understsand what the point of your response to that was. Nobody needs to? Well if you are with a date, you do need to be able to pretend that you aren't checking out all the other girls in the room or you're in the doghouse.
You're a wag Earl. But that was funny.
CuriousB
05-16-2009, 09:53 AM
Alpha males do not go to SC as a PL. Strippers give Alpha males the PL's money.
Stupid question. What is a PL?
Earl_the_Pearl
05-16-2009, 12:35 PM
Stupid question. What is a PL?
Pathetic Loser, that is what dancers call us. :-[
Golden_Rule
05-17-2009, 05:11 PM
My point wasn't that nobody needs to pretend they are at a SC for some other reason, but that they can't. Unlike a dance show with scantily clad female dancers where you can pretend with your date that you are there to watch the dancig rather than ogle girls.
I don't understsand what the point of your response to that was. Nobody needs to? Well if you are with a date, you do need to be able to pretend that you aren't checking out all the other girls in the room or you're in the doghouse.
You're a wag Earl. But that was funny.
Again, you aren't thinking like a swinger though.
At least a not a female bi-sexual swinger* with a straight male S.O. whose mutual date is also a female bi-sexual, where everyone at the table can admit they are there to ogle the dancers. :)
* and if you know anything about how that works you realize that if you are the male in that situation you let your female S.O. pick the women you date, how you woo them, where you go for entertainment, etc. It cuts down on the potential for any jealousies, etc.
Golden_Rule
05-17-2009, 05:16 PM
Pathetic Loser, that is what dancers call us. :-[
The problem is that many of us think of ourselves that way.
You call someone something without challenge often enough they become that thing, even if they weren't to being with and even to themselves.
Call it ego if you want but personally I have more self-esteem than that.
Hopper
05-17-2009, 06:13 PM
Again, you aren't thinking like a swinger though.
At least a not a female bi-sexual swinger* with a straight male S.O. whose mutual date is also a female bi-sexual, where everyone at the table can admit they are there to ogle the dancers. :)
* and if you know anything about how that works you realize that if you are the male in that situation you let your female S.O. pick the women you date, how you woo them, where you go for entertainment, etc. It cuts down on the potential for any jealousies, etc.
I wasn't trying to cater for everyone. Does it make you unhappy that homosexuals are left out in female-dancer SCs too?
Hopper
05-17-2009, 06:17 PM
The problem is that many of us think of ourselves that way.
You call someone something without challenge often enough they become that thing, even if they weren't to being with and even to themselves.
Call it ego if you want but personally I have more self-esteem than that.
I don't think it is altogether serious. Paying a girl to strip and let her touch you is basically pathetic, something only a loser would have to do. But people who go to SCs don't necessariy have to. It's just more convenient and strippers are entertaining in a way a girlfriend or a date is not.
seekr34
05-17-2009, 07:03 PM
Paris, full bar with full nudity? Here in NY, can't serve booze if full nudity.
Now as for low hustle. I would like that, I've had dancers ask me for a dance even though they really didn't want to. I think it would be hard to work that out though.
Earl_the_Pearl
05-17-2009, 09:12 PM
Pathetic Loser, that is what dancers call us. :-[
The problem is that many of us think of ourselves that way.
You call someone something without challenge often enough they become that thing, even if they weren't to being with and even to themselves.
Call it ego if you want but personally I have more self-esteem than that.
I never thought of customers as PLs until I learned the truth. A guy that thinks a PL stripper relationship is anything but that is truly a PL. Even the savvy PL that gets strippers OTC is in danger of becoming a PL if he forgets what the situation is.
I use PL so I never forget how easy it is to be one. Avoiding a forbidden word does not alter the situation; a rose by any other name smells as sweet.
Pimp/PL are the two extremes, I try to hold on to the center.
Tao Te Ching, Chapter 5
Hold on to the center.
Earl_the_Pearl
05-17-2009, 09:17 PM
Does it make you unhappy that homosexuals are left out in female-dancer SCs too?
I can tell you have never been to After Dark in Newark.:yikes:
Golden_Rule
05-17-2009, 10:06 PM
I wasn't trying to cater for everyone. Does it make you unhappy that homosexuals are left out in female-dancer SCs too?
Not when I know full well they have their own equivalent scenarios.
When there is a want and money to be made out of it someone will find a way to wrap it up in a pretty ribbon and sell it for a profit.
Such is the nature of the animal called human.
Golden_Rule
05-17-2009, 10:24 PM
I don't think it is altogether serious. Paying a girl to strip and let her touch you is basically pathetic, something only a loser would have to do. But people who go to SCs don't necessariy have to. It's just more convenient and strippers are entertaining in a way a girlfriend or a date is not.
Two very contradictory sentences.
If the first is pathetic it has been so from a historical standpoint for a very long time. Women have traded upon 'feminine whiles" for support long before the Bronze Age. Men have shown both a willingness and susceptibility for as long.
There are men, today, that understand that in all fairness sex comes with standards of comportment attached to them. Part and parcel is an exchange that takes place. Sex is rarely given away unless it is as a loss-leader to something else [which is foolish but it happens].
Usually it is the societally accepted standard which involves some level of commitment for increasing levels of sexual intimacy. Since it is unfair to ask a woman for access to her on those levels without some form of quid pro quo men who want honest no strings attached sex, with no lies and false promises of commitment that isn't going to be forth coming, find more suitable means with women who don't require commitment but other means of remuneration for their time and intimate favors.
In other words these men aren't paying for the sex, which they could easily get if they wanted to lie to women in order to get it. They instead pay for the privilege of having it with no commitment strings attached.
The only time I ever paid for sex is when I wanted it mutually agreed to before hand that the money was all the Lady was going to get out of the arrangement, and ONLY if the woman involved thought that was a fair deal. Some women do, which as far as I am concerned is a good thing.
I don't think a fair trade of wants or desires is ever pathetic for either party involved. As long as each is working under fully informed consent and gets what they want out of the deal who with any real credence has the right to say differently?
Earl_the_Pearl
05-17-2009, 10:33 PM
men who want honest no strings attached sex,
Will pay with half of their stuff and all of there mind. :ouch:
Golden_Rule
05-17-2009, 10:51 PM
Will pay with half of their stuff and all of there mind. :ouch:
[tongue in cheek light lite]
You see, THAT is a funny part of this very equation of which we speak.
It can be a means to avoid emotional ties that turn into affairs and ruin marriages because affairs can't be managed well.
Yet they might equally cause as much harm as an affair if they come to light.
But if used by the single man during the time he is unprepared to commit but decidedly wants sex it can be used to prevent a relationship that comes into creation simply as a means to get sex, thus avoiding the very problem you mention above when THAT shit hits the fan.
To my own way of thinking P4P, when managed well, is an ungainly but best way to deal with wanting more sex or variety than you get in a committed relationship while attempting to prevent the harm caused by the emotional infidelity of an affair.
Though that could be simple rationalization on my part and I am sure most women would never think of it as good idea of how to handle the particular problems I refer to.
[I know Ladies... I know... many of you are all thinking "Ewwwwwwwwwww!"
But those of you who are not, please kindly drop me a PM. We need to talk. {LOL} Sorry, couldn't resist a chance that someone with a sense of humor might get a chuckle out of that ]
wishing well...
Hopper
05-17-2009, 11:46 PM
I can tell you have never been to After Dark in Newark.:yikes:
Elaborate.
Hopper
05-17-2009, 11:52 PM
Two very contradictory sentences...
It's pathetic because a man with other attributes shouldn't need to pay for it. Okay, you pay to take a girl out and how muchmoney you have is something to do with it. But a girl won't often go out with you just for a free dinner and at SCs a man on any income can afford it, and doesn't get affection or respect in return. And the MAN can handle the "affairs" the woman poses also. Just ask women how they see it and you'll get the picture.
(I thought cops were trained to be bief and to the point.)
But to us men, it is not altogether pathetic - it is entertainment and convenience. My point was that one aspect of it is pathetic. but other aspects of it are not. I could approach a hundred girls in various regular bars and get one just as attractive as a stripper I'd possible pay for an LD, in the same amount of time I'd spend in a SC getting LDs and watching stage shows.
Earl_the_Pearl
05-18-2009, 12:07 AM
Does it make you unhappy that homosexuals are left out in female-dancer SCs too?
I can tell you have never been to After Dark in Newark.:yikes:
Elaborate.
Homosexuals frequent "female-dancer SCs" looking for rejected PLs. So you were mistaken when you ass/u/me that homosexuals are "left out" in regard to "female-dancer SCs".
Now you tell me what is "pulling" a stripper? If a PL pulls a stripper security will bounce him.
Hopper
05-18-2009, 12:33 AM
Homosexuals frequent "female-dancer SCs" looking for rejected PLs. So you were mistaken when you ass/u/me that homosexuals are "left out" in regard to "female-dancer SCs".
Now you tell me what is "pulling" a stripper? If a PL pulls a stripper security will bounce him.
Silly me. Don't see why a patron who failed to get a stripper's number would necessarily be desperate enough to get it from a man.
Told you what "pull" means in the other thread and you replied to that post so you already read it. Means "pick up" - get a number or take home. Are you taking "pull" literally in that comment about getting bounced, or is it against rules to ask for numbers?
Golden_Rule
05-18-2009, 01:07 AM
It's pathetic because a man with other attributes shouldn't need to pay for it. Okay, you pay to take a girl out and how muchmoney you have is something to do with it. But a girl won't often go out with you just for a free dinner and at SCs a man on any income can afford it, and doesn't get affection or respect in return. And the MAN can handle the "affairs" the woman poses also. Just ask women how they see it and you'll get the picture.
Reread what I wrote.
Someone like those I speak of pays for sex because they want it with absolutely no strings attached.
The people I know like this pay for the privilege to walk away totally unencumbered. They are doctors, highly placed business execs, brokers, partners in law firms, etc. These guys, financially, make me look like chump-change [and I am at least well-to-do, been retired since 49 and don't have to work another day in my life if I don't want to, even in this economy] but they like having a guy like me who is self-made and an ex-cop around who hits the first rung of their ladder. I'm great for advice on how to keep out of trouble and how to fix the occasional small mess. Besides they seem to like the 'larger than life' aspects and the stories I have to tell. :) [Ok, I'm being cheeky with you... sorry. :) ]
The point is these are not "pathetic" people yet they pay for sex. They do so precisely for the reason I stipulate above. That and time. In the circles I am speaking of everything is done by word of mouth. There is no time searching for a willing party. There are beautiful women, some of them are dancers others actresses, models, Playmates and Pets, even various professional women; all ages and types, and all a phone call away.
Sometimes they work for agencies, like the former Nicci's, but increasingly they are independent providers working on word of mouth being shared by people on private websites most men will simply never have access to.
(I thought cops were trained to be bief and to the point.)
I love not being confined to the "less is more" concept within these forums, thank you very much. Its so... so... freeing. I can be a regular chatty cathy. :)
{I am being quite candid with you, but please excuse my tongue in cheek style while doing so... you do seem to bring that out in me }
Golden_Rule
05-18-2009, 01:17 AM
Now you tell me what is "pulling" a stripper? If a PL pulls a stripper security will bounce him.
He's using a 1960's English colloquialism, Earl.
Pull, as in to pick-up.
"He pulled a bird at the pub last night."
Apparently Hopper is a "Mod" [link for you if you aren't old enough to have lived through the "Mods vs Rockers" era yourself, thus know about it first hand. ] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod_(lifestyle) Also see "The Who: "Quadrophenia" and the movie of the same name.
Hopper
05-18-2009, 05:05 AM
You've got a point with the high-class hookers.
{I am being quite candid with you, but please excuse my tongue in cheek style while doing so... you do seem to bring that out in me }
Aw, our little ritual.
Hopper
05-18-2009, 05:08 AM
He's using a 1960's English colloquialism, Earl.
Pull, as in to pick-up.
"He pulled a bird at the pub last night."
Apparently Hopper is a "Mod" [link for you if you aren't old enough to have lived through the "Mods vs Rockers" era yourself, thus know about it first hand. ] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod_(lifestyle) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod_(lifestyle))Also see "The Who: "Quadrophenia" and the movie of the same name.
Yeah, it's English slang. Pray I don't use Cockney rhyming slang, guv.
Earl_the_Pearl
05-18-2009, 04:47 PM
Silly me. Don't see why a patron who failed to get a stripper's number would necessarily be desperate enough to get it from a man.
Told you what "pull" means in the other thread and you replied to that post so you already read it. Means "pick up" - get a number or take home. Are you taking "pull" literally in that comment about getting bounced, or is it against rules to ask for numbers?
Homosexuals are known to go to strip clubs. It has nothing to do with getting a number or dating.
I think we are talking about different things. I am talking about "dating", play for pay, that is what OTC means. I have scores of dancer's numbers that doesn't mean it is personal.
Yes I used pull as in pull a stripper's arm. I was half way through my bottle and got wrapped up in explaining date and "date" and missed your explanation.
Earl_the_Pearl
05-18-2009, 04:52 PM
"He pulled a bird at the pub last night."
Birds pull my pud at pubs all of the time. :P
rlams2000
05-18-2009, 05:54 PM
I don't think it is altogether serious. Paying a girl to strip and let her touch you is basically pathetic, something only a loser would have to do. But people who go to SCs don't necessariy have to. It's just more convenient and strippers are entertaining in a way a girlfriend or a date is not.
Hey, I resemble that remark.
dreamer1980
05-19-2009, 11:36 AM
Yeah, it's English slang. Pray I don't use Cockney rhyming slang, guv.
bring it! im prepared ;D
http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/
Paris
05-19-2009, 03:13 PM
Paris, full bar with full nudity? Here in NY, can't serve booze if full nudity.
Now as for low hustle. I would like that, I've had dancers ask me for a dance even though they really didn't want to. I think it would be hard to work that out though.
Welcome to Oregon, naked girls and legal live sex shows all while sipping on a rum and coke!
*We've a very liberal 1st amendment in our state constitution.;)
Earl_the_Pearl
05-19-2009, 03:21 PM
Welcome to Oregon, naked girls and legal live sex shows all while sipping on a rum and coke!
*We've a very liberal 1st amendment in our state constitution.;)
In New Jersey it is a condition of a liquor license not a law. It is constitutionally legal to put conditions on liquor sales. New Jersey has nude clubs but they can't serve liquor, it is the same in New York and Pennsylvania.
I'm sure Oregon has conditions on liquor sales.
Paris
05-19-2009, 06:50 PM
^^Yes, no touching the dancers. period.
Earl_the_Pearl
05-19-2009, 07:09 PM
^^Yes, no touching the dancers. period.
Just like New Jersey. Now if the rules were enforced I would save a lot of money. :-[
GO-GO DANCERS
WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS ON GO-GO DANCING?
Go-Go dancing, just as other live entertainment, cannot involve persons under the age of 18 years (see “Age
Limits”) and cannot involve “lewd or immoral activity.” (N.J.A.C. 13:2-23.6.) Such lewd or immoral
activity generally involves the lack of attire or covering on genitals or “private parts,” as well as female
breasts. See-through garments and the use of “pasties” are not considered sufficient covering. Simulation
of sexual activity, even if clothed, is also prohibited. Dancers are not permitted to touch or be touched by
patrons, and this includes
seekr34
05-19-2009, 07:23 PM
I can understand that rule. What girl want a drunk pawing on them. Not only that, some guys can pretty rowdy and the girl doesn't need to be grabbed at.
Earl_the_Pearl
05-19-2009, 07:41 PM
I can understand that rule. What girl want a drunk pawing on them. Not only that, some guys can pretty rowdy and the girl doesn't need to be grabbed at.
I am just answering the OPs question about what kind of club I like.
If a dancer doesn't want to be touched I will respect that. She must respect it if I don't want to tip her more then a few dollars, I have to save it for the dancers that don't mind some contact.
PS is this following the rules? http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/10/m_e2477d16ec05e44816093e97f07a0bb4.jpg