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Hopper
06-28-2009, 06:13 PM
You apparently have serious reading comprehension issues as well so I don't think you're in a position to start commenting on my grammar.
IF your grammar is wrong, you are even less in a position to comment on my comprehension.
A normal person back at the beginning would have merely pointed out that Earl was responding to a quote by Avery (which I missed) and used a picture of Avery (which I dodn't know). What you and Mediocriy did instead is call us idiots for not noticing and not knowing. So you are both still trolls. Cyril gave his opinion of how Avery looks in that photo without knowing she was a dancer at this site. That's not trolling.
Hopper
06-28-2009, 06:17 PM
Agreed!! If he was unable to determine from reading Earl's post that there was at least a chance that the pic was of Avery, then he really does need a reading comprehension class. Even Cyril admitted that on the re-read he realized that the post made it obvious that the pic was of her.
And Cyril has already pointed out that he did guess it might be Avery but decided not to make that assumption because he had already been pulled up for wrongly doing so in response to a pic posted in another thread.
As for me, it was a mistake, not a comprehension problem. I didn't even notice who Earl was quoting, so it's nothing to do with comprehension - it was an oversight. Even if I'd noticed who Earl was quoting, it would not necessarily follow that the pic was of Avery and I can be forgiven for not thinking of that possibility. There is still no excuse for calling me or Cyril idiots or questionning our comprehension skills.
God knows poor grammar is routine in forums; why pick on one little reading error?
Hopper
06-28-2009, 06:19 PM
Hopper was correct. You should have spelled it "then" not "than" given the context.
I noticed a long time ago she uses "than" instead of "then". I just thought it was some kind of rap lingo, untill she did it in capital letters for emphasis, which made me think she probably really thinks "than" is the right word or doesn't know how to spell "then". LOL - ignorance of vocabulary and spelling is worse than comprehension slips.
Cyril
06-28-2009, 06:33 PM
It was a mistake, not a comprehension problem. I didn't even notice who Earl was quoting, so it's nothing to do with comprehension - it was an oversight. Why go overboard about one little mistake?
I agree completely.
Comprehension skill is a skill, which demonstrates your ability to read a paragraph and understand the underlying meaning. If someone lacks the comprehension skill then he/she will consistently demonstrate a poor understanding of texts he/she reads. The cause of poor comprehension skill is often that person's lack of command on the language.
Mistake can happen even if you have a sound comprehension skill. It is called human error.
Hopper
06-28-2009, 06:38 PM
An irrelevant point made about another irrelevant point, none of which excuses any of the behavior that the original posts were talking about. Neither of you are in a position to comment on my spelling or grammar so STFU. You both have basic reading comprehension issues so worry about your own selves. If you went back and re-read the post and understood her to be a dancer and poster here it stands to reason that if you'd bothered to take the time to read and understand (this is where reading comprehension comes into play) the post the first time none of this conversation would be happening and Avery would've been spared an insult. Which by the way, is the fucking point in case anyone missed it again.
Besides that, mediocrity said IF, IF you knew she was a poster THEN you were a prick. If you didn't you didn't. Learn to read and further confusion like this will be avoided.
+1 for shutting this trainwreck down.
Talk to the person who started the "trainwreck" and stop helping her.
Your own comments about our comprehension are irrelevant - one slip in reading a post doesn't reflect on our comprehension skills in general.
In a forum people read and type quickly, sometimes at work or while doing things around the house. You make it too serious. Plenty of times I've beenin arguments with others in forums (you included) who simply misinterpretted my post where the wording was clear. The only difference here is that Cyril unwittingly insulted someone else here. He apologised, "in case you missed it" so why don't you drop it already - we got the "fucking point" ages ago.
Mediocriy said IF he knew, sure (right after accusing him of actually knowing), but after he said he didn't know, she still went after him for not noticing and making the connection. Again,the correct response would have been to assume Cyril was not a prick or an idiot and point out his mistake, which is all it was. That's normal ettiquette, girls - learn it.
Mediocrity previously had called him stupid for no reason at all, so you are on even more shaky ground siding with her on this incidence.
Cyril
06-28-2009, 06:49 PM
.... and what is funny is that they are trying to teach us English. LOL.
Hopper
06-28-2009, 07:04 PM
^Right, like I come to forums to learn comprehension, where most other people don't practise it.
SteveSmith
06-28-2009, 07:18 PM
I hear how guys like my little boobs a lot, but then later, I see them getting dances from the girl with the biggest fake boobs in the club...lol :P
There is no doubt in my mind that you get more then your fair share of private dances.
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/48/l_9a5d9e68bea1235776fea9cf7cad45bd.jpg
Yeah, I seen Averyxo's avatar and her quote and I knew right away that Earl's picture was her. And when Earl said:
"There is no doubt in my mind that you get more then your fair share of private dances." above the picture of Averyxo, that should have been a dead givaway that she's a dancer on this forum.
She's totally hot, BTW.
Gia2608
06-28-2009, 07:20 PM
Boobs!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hopper
06-28-2009, 07:31 PM
^Steve, I don't slow down and analyse every post. There is a life outside you know. I wouldn't recognise Averyin that pic just from seeing her avatar. Her avatar is basically a head shot and in that pic she's got a bottle in her mouth. Good work though.
At first I thought Earl chose any handy pic of a hot girl with small boobs to make a general point in response to Avery's comment about herself. Nothing "dead gave away" to me that it was a pic of Avery. Would have had to think a bit more before I realised that, and I normally don't take the time in forums in realatively light discussions.
If Earl had specifically indicated that it was a picture of Avery, like "you look hot in this pic Avery", then people here could call Cyril stupid or nasty for commenting about how she looks in it.
Elvia
06-28-2009, 07:48 PM
Mediocriy said IF he knew, sure (right after accusing him of actually knowing), but after he said he didn't know, she still went after him for not noticing and making the connection. Again,the correct response would have been to assume Cyril was not a prick or an idiot and point out his mistake, which is all it was. That's normal ettiquette, girls - learn it.
Mediocrity previously had called him stupid for no reason at all, so you are on even more shaky ground siding with her on this incidence.
A LOT of Cyril's behavior, since he got here, has a lot of people suspecting he's a troll. He's made many, many comments that have lead people to suspect he's deliberately trying to rile people up. Of course people are getting more and more pissed off at him. Given his track record, I think it's unlikely this was an "honest mistake." No one is THAT dense, to say so many offensive things, in nearly every thread, and genuinely never understand.
Hopper
06-28-2009, 08:04 PM
^If so then either I've been too dense to notice or I've been very lucky not to see his troll posts. Examples? Just one good one.
He did admit to and apologise for the mistakes he made in this thread - would a troll do that? And why did mediocrity berate Cyril just for asking if the girl in the picture I posted is a dancer here? How is that trolling?
Elvia
06-28-2009, 08:16 PM
^^^ Yes, a troll would. Trolling is largely about causing as much offense as possible under the guise of being a genuine poster.
As for examples...
Saying he's always thought that most strippers are trailer trash
He "loves" strippers but wouldn't want to be caught dating one (Seriously, who would come to a forum for strippers and say that and expect it to not cause offense?)
That strippers can be identified in their civilian life on the street (seriously? What?)
"I likes Bush. He was a good president." When it was completely random had absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic at hand (always a troll favorite, sure to rile people up and get an argument going)
That lapdancing should be illegal because, in doing so, we degrade ourselves and are allowing ourselves to be exploited.
Telling another male poster who brags about how the economic downturn has forced more dancers to resort to extras that he's "glad he's getting his money's worth."
That's just off the top of my head...
Seriously, unless he's snaking on paint chips in front of the monitor, there's no way anyone is that stupid to genuinely not see how those things would cause offense on a site designed for strippers.
Cyril
06-28-2009, 08:17 PM
Yeah, I seen Averyxo's avatar and her quote and I knew right away that Earl's picture was her. And when Earl said:
"There is no doubt in my mind that you get more then your fair share of private dances." above the picture of Averyxo, that should have been a dead givaway that she's a dancer on this forum.
She's totally hot, BTW.
It was not that obvious at a first glance. Sometimes, it is possible to overlook things when you are reading things in a hurry or your are sleepy or when you have an insomnia.
You also have to realize that I have not gotten to know all the girls here yet. Earl and you have been posting longer than I have been.
Cyril
06-28-2009, 08:18 PM
^^^ Yes, a troll would. Trolling is largely about causing as much offense as possible under the guise of being a genuine poster.
As for examples...
Saying he's always thought that most strippers are trailer trash
He "loves" strippers but wouldn't want to be caught dating one (Seriously, who would come to a forum for strippers and say that and expect it to not cause offense?)
That strippers can be identified in their civilian life on the street (seriously? What?)
"I likes Bush. He was a good president." When it was completely random had absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic at hand (always a troll favorite, sure to rile people up and get an argument going)
That lapdancing should be illegal because, in doing so, we degrade ourselves and are allowing ourselves to be exploited.
That's just off the top of my head...
None of that proves that I am a troll. But you definitely are a troll for beating a dead horse.
Elvia
06-28-2009, 08:21 PM
^^^ Either a troll, or an idiot. Your pick.
Britney_B
06-28-2009, 08:25 PM
Okay, call me rude but I posted a thread about fake breasts, I don't know how it went to underage girls, how hot avery is or isn't ? Grammer and comprehension. God damn, I'm sorry I even asked and I don't care anymore. This is so freakin' annoying ! Please DELETE IT already ! PLEASE !
Cyril
06-28-2009, 08:26 PM
^^^ Either a troll, or an idiot. Your pick.
You certainly are not that far behind in those areas.
Cyril
06-28-2009, 08:27 PM
Let us get back to boobs folks. I am with Britney on that one. :)
Gia2608
06-28-2009, 08:31 PM
+1 for boobs. Esp. in the mouth
Elvia
06-28-2009, 08:32 PM
Even your insults fail to be clever, Cyrus. I'm surprised you didn't go for the "I am rubber, you are glue."
I'd be all for it being deleted, but there's been a lot of call for threads to be deleted and it seems to be falling of deaf ears.
Cyril
06-28-2009, 08:37 PM
Even your insults fail to be clever, Cyrus. I'm surprised you didn't go for the "I am rubber, you are glue."
I'd be all for it being deleted, but there's been a lot of call for threads to be deleted and it seems to be falling of deaf ears.
I am not familiar with "I am rubber, you are glue" idiom.
I was simply pointing out that you were guilty of each of those charges that you were labeling on me.
Can we drop this now and move on to boobs?
Cyril
06-28-2009, 08:39 PM
+1 for boobs. Esp. in the mouth
I love it. :D
Cyril
06-28-2009, 08:42 PM
Fake boobs objectify women therefore I do not like them. I think a woman should never have to get implants to please men. For those of you who do it for your job, I can understand it though.
Elvia
06-28-2009, 08:42 PM
My list of your "charges" was pretty specific to you.
And no one's stopping you from talking about boobs. Though the OP's not even interested anymore. Knock yourself out.
Cyril
06-28-2009, 08:47 PM
My list of your "charges" was pretty specific to you.
That is just your opinion. I disagree with you. It will be best for the sake of harmony and peace if we just agree to disagree and move on.
This will be my last post to you on this topic. You are welcome to have the last word.
SteveSmith
06-28-2009, 08:59 PM
At first I thought Earl chose any handy pic of a hot girl with small boobs to make a general point in response to Avery's comment about herself.
"handy pic of a hot girl"
Ok, Cyril and Hopper, if you were flying through the thread I guess you could overlook who it was. I've been here longer than you two and I've seen her avatar before so I might have noticed it before you two.
dreamer1980
06-28-2009, 09:07 PM
Boobs!!!!!!!!!!!!
+1 for boobs. Esp. in the mouth
lol Gia :D. i think its too late to save this. but i will post this just for you:
:boobies:
Elvia
06-28-2009, 09:32 PM
^^^ Haha! I can't believe I never noticed that icon before! It delights me.
Hopper
06-28-2009, 09:54 PM
^^^ Yes, a troll would. Trolling is largely about causing as much offense as possible under the guise of being a genuine poster.
As for examples...
Saying he's always thought that most strippers are trailer trash
He "loves" strippers but wouldn't want to be caught dating one (Seriously, who would come to a forum for strippers and say that and expect it to not cause offense?)
That strippers can be identified in their civilian life on the street (seriously? What?)
"I likes Bush. He was a good president." When it was completely random had absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic at hand (always a troll favorite, sure to rile people up and get an argument going)
That lapdancing should be illegal because, in doing so, we degrade ourselves and are allowing ourselves to be exploited.
Telling another male poster who brags about how the economic downturn has forced more dancers to resort to extras that he's "glad he's getting his money's worth."
That's just off the top of my head...
Seriously, unless he's snaking on paint chips in front of the monitor, there's no way anyone is that stupid to genuinely not see how those things would cause offense on a site designed for strippers.
Many men would not like to be caught dating a stripper. Saying it does not necessarily denigrate strippers, since it is more about what other people think. Like the reason we don't tell everyone we go to SCs. That issue has been discussed here by others besides Cyril.
The civilian life comment doesn't sound necessarily offensive. The lapdancing comment just sounds like the sort of opinion that isoften expressed here when discussing such a topic. Did he mean contact LDs or non-contact also? There's no essential difference between a non-cntact LD and a stage show. Some girls here do contact LDs, other don't - obvioulsy the ones who don't see something wrong with it at least for themselves.
The Bush comment - puzzling, but threads (e.g. this one) get wrecked in the course of normal discussion anyway. The extras comment is out of order on the face of it, but could have been sarcastic.
I haven't seen these posts or their context. Since you have misrepresented his comment in this thread then I have to wonder about these ones. (Though perhaps you are judging this one by what he said elsewhere.) If you'd listed his comment in this thread amongst your charges, it would have run someting like "telling a dancer here that she looks ugly in one of her pics", which sounds worse than what he actually did.
I tend not to notice trolling here since I generally don't worry about people openly saying what they think, even about me. If they are mistaken, stupid or jerks I can correct them in the course of the discussion.
For example, was Gia trolling when she said that men all try to lay teenage girls when they get older? That's just as offensive as any of the things you listed above. I thnk people need to stop so easily taking offense and just express their displeasure more calmly, since there are no hard rules or knowledge about what is offensive, malicious. acceptable humour etc.
JayATee
06-28-2009, 10:21 PM
IF your grammar is wrong, you are even less in a position to comment on my comprehension.
A normal person back at the beginning would have merely pointed out that Earl was responding to a quote by Avery (which I missed) and used a picture of Avery (which I dodn't know). What you and Mediocriy did instead is call us idiots for not noticing and not knowing. So you are both still trolls. Cyril gave his opinion of how Avery looks in that photo without knowing she was a dancer at this site. That's not trolling.
Talk to the person who started the "trainwreck" and stop helping her.
Your own comments about our comprehension are irrelevant - one slip in reading a post doesn't reflect on our comprehension skills in general.
In a forum people read and type quickly, sometimes at work or while doing things around the house. You make it too serious. Plenty of times I've beenin arguments with others in forums (you included) who simply misinterpretted my post where the wording was clear. The only difference here is that Cyril unwittingly insulted someone else here. He apologised, "in case you missed it" so why don't you drop it already - we got the "fucking point" ages ago.
Mediocriy said IF he knew, sure (right after accusing him of actually knowing), but after he said he didn't know, she still went after him for not noticing and making the connection. Again,the correct response would have been to assume Cyril was not a prick or an idiot and point out his mistake, which is all it was. That's normal ettiquette, girls - learn it.
Mediocrity previously had called him stupid for no reason at all, so you are on even more shaky ground siding with her on this incidence.
STFU. Do you honestly think any of this helps you not look like an asshat in any way at all? You're the one making the big deal about this.
BTW, misspelling a word bc I happen to hit the wrong key doesn't make your point any more legit, mr english expert. Move on.
Like I just did for Cyril, I will now do for you. IGNORED. Have a nice day.
Hopper
06-28-2009, 10:25 PM
^Just replying in kind. Being falsely accused of something is a big deal - and you and the others made a big deal of it just by making the accusation and going on about it. The alternative you are giving me to "looking like an asshat" is being a doormat, and I don't think I do look like an asshat, so the choice is easy.
You mispell "then" all the time. I didn't mean to be snarky when I corrected you. I was at least entitled since you were criticising my comprehension.
If being ignored by you is what it takes for me to have a nice day, then so be it. Obviously you think it's a big deal.
callista
06-29-2009, 03:45 AM
my boyfriend prefers real boobs. however, he is 110% behind me in regards to implants. I've already told him that after i have a few of his babies, my tits are getting fixed. His only concern is being able to occasionally remove his hands from them.
I'm natural at the moment, and I measure at 36d. I've found since I was a 34c that most guys prefer natural, even if they initially say they like fakes.
I really think it comes down to how they look. I'd rather have a nice looking pair of fakes then a neglected pair of reals....... And I'm not talking natural droop, I'm talking deflated balloons from someone that runs 5 miles a day and doesn't take the time to put on a sports bra or something to take care of them.
princessjas
06-29-2009, 07:42 AM
The alternative you are giving me to "looking like an asshat" is being a doormat, and I don't think I do look like an asshat, so the choice is easy.
Yes, you do look like an asshat!! Oh, and the alternative is not being a doormat, it is being a nice respectful member of this community. Since you obviously don't respect strippers (or you would control yourself a bit better) I guess that is too much to ask. ::)
If you weren't a jerk behaving like an asshat you would not have posted the following offensive statements. Consider your audience before posting please!!>:( These statements ARE offensive to strippers (whom this board was designed to support). Regardless of your opinion on if they should be or not, if they are truth or not, etc.
Many men would not like to be caught dating a stripper.
The civilian life comment doesn't sound necessarily offensive. The lapdancing comment just sounds like the sort of opinion that isoften expressed here when discussing such a topic.
I thnk people need to stop so easily taking offense and just express their displeasure more calmly, since there are no hard rules or knowledge about what is offensive, malicious. acceptable humour etc.
Golden_Rule
06-29-2009, 08:05 PM
^^^ This conversation has seriously left me more disgusted by the men in this forum than anything else. Men who try to defend grown men's desire to fuck high school girls are seriously shady and fucking disgusting.
Whose trying to defend having sex with high school girls NOW, in this day and age?
For myself I am not even trying to defend anything. I simply made a comment about men being instinctually attracted to WOMEN of child baring age.
If you have an issue with that take it up with the biologists and anthropologists who document human instinctual behavior, past and present.
Golden_Rule
06-29-2009, 08:11 PM
http://wardray-premise.com/images/products/large/mr/fire_extinguisher.jpg
There is a fire to put out.
princessjas
06-29-2009, 08:16 PM
Whose trying to defend having sex with high school girls NOW, in this day and age?
For myself I am not even trying to defend anything. I simply made a comment about men being instinctually attracted to WOMEN of child baring age.
If you have an issue with that take it up with the biologists and anthropologists who document human instinctual behavior, past and present.
Instinctually though, guys should be more attracted to women at their most fertile... which is actually early to mid 20's. Mid-teens girls can get pregnant fairly easy, but have more difficulty carrying a healthy baby to term, making them less fertile. 21ish to 24-25 I believe is the prime reproductive age.
**I'm not looking it up to check my facts, because it is seriously fucking hard to find the actual studies and statistics there is so much damn rhetoric about this topic on the interwebs. Anyone who is great with searches can find it and check the ages I listed...I could be off a year or two.**
Cyril
06-29-2009, 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
Many men would not like to be caught dating a stripper.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
The civilian life comment doesn't sound necessarily offensive. The lapdancing comment just sounds like the sort of opinion that isoften expressed here when discussing such a topic.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
I thnk people need to stop so easily taking offense and just express their displeasure more calmly, since there are no hard rules or knowledge about what is offensive, malicious. acceptable humour etc.
***
Princess,
I do not see any issues with quote #2 and quote #3 of Hopper. Even in quote #1, he is simply saying some men will have problem with it.
I think you are being a bit unreasonable here.
Cyril
06-29-2009, 08:48 PM
"handy pic of a hot girl"
Ok, Cyril and Hopper, if you were flying through the thread I guess you could overlook who it was. I've been here longer than you two and I've seen her avatar before so I might have noticed it before you two.
I will become as sharp as you are once I start hitting the strip clubs regularly. I am sure of that. :D
Cyril
06-29-2009, 08:50 PM
Like I just did for Cyril, I will now do for you. IGNORED. Have a nice day.
I protest. :D
Elvia
06-29-2009, 09:02 PM
I think I'm starting to see why so many dancers have abandoned the customer convo section...It's seriously depressing.
Hopper
06-30-2009, 03:34 AM
Yes, you do look like an asshat!! Oh, and the alternative is not being a doormat, it is being a nice respectful member of this community. Since you obviously don't respect strippers (or you would control yourself a bit better) I guess that is too much to ask. ::)
If you weren't a jerk behaving like an asshat you would not have posted the following offensive statements. Consider your audience before posting please!!>:( These statements ARE offensive to strippers (whom this board was designed to support). Regardless of your opinion on if they should be or not, if they are truth or not, etc.
I can be respectful and still stand up for myself or others here when wrongly accused. I have been controlling myself through this whole thread, it is you and a few other dancers who aren't restraining yourselves or being respectful. Fact is as far as anyone can honestly tell Cyril made an honest mistake and you are just assuming he is a troll.
xdamage
06-30-2009, 05:14 AM
Instinctually though, guys should be more attracted to women at their most fertile... which is actually early to mid 20's. Mid-teens girls can get pregnant fairly easy, but have more difficulty carrying a healthy baby to term, making them less fertile. 21ish to 24-25 I believe is the prime reproductive age.
**I'm not looking it up to check my facts, because it is seriously fucking hard to find the actual studies and statistics there is so much damn rhetoric about this topic on the interwebs. Anyone who is great with searches can find it and check the ages I listed...I could be off a year or two.**
Those number seem about right. The counter theory I've read a few times is that human's genetic behavior though is wired over eons of repetition, and that historically our average life span was much less:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Variation_in_the_world_today
Technology and our wealthy nation allow us to live longer, but even so, much of the world still doesn't live as long as we do and so continues to have children at a younger age. Factor in lack of modern medicine, antibiotics, etc., and waiting until one is 25ish to have children would have been extremely risky. Fortunately today people can do so, there is much to be learned and enjoy, knowing that by 25 they probably have another 35+ years ahead on average, plenty of time to raise children.
I think the only thing that is contentious is there are two basic camps. Some believe our genetic wiring drives our instincts, but we regulate it with our trained, socialized intellects. Others believe that we have no instincts, that we have blank slates for brains, and what society doesn't put there doesn't exist. There are variations but you can fairly quickly find out a lot by first determining where people stand on that belief as it dramatically affects a huge set of other core beliefs.
p.s. I'm actually interested in why men's bodies don't shut-off more of their sex drives earlier in life. Like what is the benefit of that? Genetically wouldn't it be better if they stopped reproducing after some point in life? Or maybe not.. maybe it is a benefit. A long lived man might have good long lived genes? Or maybe historically men rarely lived long enough for it to matter any.
princessjas
06-30-2009, 07:35 AM
^^I do believe instincts drive us, but I also believe we evolve fairly rapidly as a species, so hopefully this instintual arguement will lose any relevance within a few generations. This rapid evolution can clearly be seen if you study the history of our developement.
I also believe that our intellect overrides our instincts barring extreme cases of survival. This is why most men are not attracted to teenage girls, they see them as the children their intellect tells them they are. I also notice that while men tend to argue instinct for things they want, there are notable lacks of instinctual behavoir. For example, it is socially and morally wrong to kill the offspring of other males, although it is instinctual to do so, but you don't see any men arguing that infanticide is just instincual and they can't help it. Looking purely at our instincts, what makes this any different? Both are about the continuation of the males genetic line. Protectiveness of your mate and children is another instinctual behavoir that the intellect of modern men seems to be able to overide, while many of these same men are arguing "they can't help it" in regards to fucking young girls, they don't seem to be stricken by this instinctual behavoir that helps continue their linage.
Also an interesting point to note: Even in certain tribes in Africa, where lifespan is significantly shorter than in western cultures, mid-teens girls generally cannot carry a child to term. They are even less developed than us, and are therefore LESS fertile, even with their shorter lifespans. (I'm not speculating on how this affects instinctual behavoir, but it is interesting to consider, no?)
*Forgive me if this is rambling, and if any parts need clarification, I'll work on it later. I didn't get any sleep last night and am currently trying to think with the TV blaring Nick Jr. haha*
ETA - Please don't take this as my jumping on you. I realize you are not supporting the behavior just pointing out what may be driving it. I just enjoy point-counter point type debates on this type of subject.
princessjas
06-30-2009, 08:54 AM
p.s. I'm actually interested in why men's bodies don't shut-off more of their sex drives earlier in life. Like what is the benefit of that? Genetically wouldn't it be better if they stopped reproducing after some point in life? Or maybe not.. maybe it is a benefit. A long lived man might have good long lived genes? Or maybe historically men rarely lived long enough for it to matter any.
Oopsie, got distracted and forgot to address this in my previous post. (See, sleepyhead haha)
This has been one thing that has confused many in the medical community for years. Recent studies show that men's fertility actually does decrease as they age. Very mildly compared to the decline of womens fertility of course.
The most notable issue is the degradation of healthy sperm. While they retain the ability to fertilize eggs, the DNA degradation causes genetic problems with offspring. As well as more debilitating genetic disorders, and some that cause spontaneous abortion of the fetus, I believe Autism and ADHD rates are through the roof when the father is over a certain age (can't recall, but I'm thinking 45-55ish, might be older though).
*Once again I'm being lazy and just writing from memory instead of looking up the ages and stats. BAD Jasmine! haha Anyone is welcome to poke around and find the actual data though.;)*
xdamage
06-30-2009, 10:38 AM
ETA - Please don't take this as my jumping on you. I realize you are not supporting the behavior just pointing out what may be driving it. I just enjoy point-counter point type debates on this type of subject.
Oh yea I dont take it personally. Like I said I try to look at human behavior as it really is and not as it is popular to see, even if it has negatives. Same with violence, responsibility, etc humans clearly dont measure up to ideals most of the time so there is somethng at play.
FWIW people can and still do adamantly debate the following depending on where you are raised with what beliefs:
Sexual desire is inspired by the devil vs genetic.
Women enjoying sex is evil, social myth, will be an excuse for women to cheat, etc., vs just a normal genetic drive.
Homosexuality is evil, etc, vs genetic.
Human sexual fetishes, again ... all reasons vs genetic despite that we see the same patterns of fetishes occur over and over in large groups.
Humans are strongly driven to have unprotected sex is due to x,y,z vs that is what they are genetically wired for.
And at each such debate, the overriding fear is that if the truth points toward genetic, that it will be taken as an excuse to engage in socially undesirable behavior, YET it never does. Invariably the end result is the same, we expect each other to act responsibly even if it is proven beyond all doubt that their genes are programmed to enjoy something. It is possible to be responsible without feeling like the devil is behind human emotions; without fearing that one person's drives will cause social anarchy; without excusing irresponsible or non-socially accepted behavior.
Err so yea it is wrong for adult men to prey on teenage girls. It is also wrong for people to spread diseases knowingly; for people to use their sex drive as an excuse for why they didn't protect against unwanted pregnancy; for people to use their sex drives as an excuse for cheating; for people to force any of their fetishes on others; for homosexuals to force homosexual acts on heteosexual (or vice versa).. etc. I'm good with all of that, but I'm not convinced that males having their sexual triggers turned on by hot bodies (regardless of age) is necessarily a sign that they are extremely fucked up. If it happens over and over and over again, then the evidence is it is normal, no matter that it is concerning, but hey, nobody ever said we humans don't have conflicting drives.
Averyxo
06-30-2009, 11:02 AM
You do kow that is the picture of someone on this site? If so, you are a total prick.
No big deal, I don't/can't expect everyone to like me. :P
Averyxo
06-30-2009, 11:14 AM
Avery,
We all have one picture that does not do us justice. I think that picture of yours perhaps falls into that category.
In your avtar, you look very beautiful; perhaps one of the most beautiful ones on this site. I guess that could have been the reason why I could not link you to that picture in my mind.
Please accept my sincere apology.
Kind Regards,
- Cyril
haha, thanks, it's really not a big deal to me.
princessjas
06-30-2009, 11:15 AM
Oh yea I dont take it personally. Like I said I try to look at human behavior as it really is and not as it is popular to see, even if it has negatives. Same with violence, responsibility, etc humans clearly dont measure up to ideals most of the time so there is somethng at play.
FWIW people can and still do adamantly debate the following depending on where you are raised with what beliefs:
Sexual desire is inspired by the devil vs genetic.
Women enjoying sex is evil, social myth, will be an excuse for women to cheat, etc., vs just a normal genetic drive.
Homosexuality is evil, etc, vs genetic.
Human sexual fetishes, again ... all reasons vs genetic despite that we see the same patterns of fetishes occur over and over in large groups.
Humans are strongly driven to have unprotected sex is due to x,y,z vs that is what they are genetically wired for.
And at each such debate, the overriding fear is that if the truth points toward genetic, that it will be taken as an excuse to engage in socially undesirable behavior, YET it never does. Invariably the end result is the same, we expect each other to act responsibly even if it is proven beyond all doubt that their genes are programmed to enjoy something. It is possible to be responsible without feeling like the devil is behind human emotions; without fearing that one person's drives will cause social anarchy; without excusing irresponsible or non-socially accepted behavior.
Err so yea it is wrong for adult men to prey on teenage girls. It is also wrong for people to spread diseases knowingly; for people to use their sex drive as an excuse for why they didn't protect against unwanted pregnancy; for people to use their sex drives as an excuse for cheating; for people to force any of their fetishes on others; for homosexuals to force homosexual acts on heteosexual (or vice versa).. etc. I'm good with all of that, but I'm not convinced that males having their sexual triggers turned on by hot bodies (regardless of age) is necessarily a sign that they are extremely fucked up. If it happens over and over and over again, then the evidence is it is normal, no matter that it is concerning, but hey, nobody ever said we humans don't have conflicting drives.
It's very noticable that men defend this particular instinct and seem to think it is ok to express it, but have no urge to act on the others I mentioned. Actually, this instinct seems to be defended much more fervently than any other, /:O when things like this are mentioned though, that part of the post is always ignored. ;) Just some food for thought.
xdamage
06-30-2009, 04:17 PM
It's very noticable that men defend this particular instinct and seem to think it is ok to express it, but have no urge to act on the others I mentioned. Actually, this instinct seems to be defended much more fervently than any other, /:O when things like this are mentioned though, that part of the post is always ignored. ;) Just some food for thought.
Yea, I ran out of time to respond. I can comment though on the infanticide and male protectiveness points.
I have never had any urge to kill the children of other males if the woman cheated, but I wouldn't instinctively desire to raise another man's children either under those conditions either. But it could be that is simply because our society has such a severe penalty for murder. One way to find out it is to look at the primates and see what they are doing under those circumstances? Kiling the offspring or just leaving them?
OTOH seemingly many men follow the instinctual pattern which is common among primates. Male primates rarely take more then a passing interest in their own young, leaving most of the child rearing to the females. They do tend to provide some protection though, but that is because their tribal societies forces it on them. I'm doubtful they would do it if they could get away with less. Males in our society can often get away with less because we have a societal LE system that provides much of it.
There are exceptions but this instinct seems to be alive and well. Hey, in some animals neither parent takes any interest, and both male and female ditch their offspring, banking on quantity over quality. That strategy works too.
I have recently read a theory that human females have slowly been evolving human males to become more involved, a change from primate instinct. With the freedom to choose who to mate with, they are evolving male behavior by (tending too) mate with men who won't fuck and run. Of course it still happens a lot, but by tending to mate with men who are also inclined to care for their children, those males genes are more likely to survive and thrive. Still those theories suggest the change in behavior is indeed slow, tens of thousands of years of social changes leading to biological changes. And some also suggest it is very complicated as females may sleep with a man who won't stay to protect her or her children, but long term mate with a man who will. Seemingly both types of males and strategies can co-exist and thus males don't all have to have the same instincts.
But the longer life expectancy really is very new on a historical scale; a 100 years or so. Not really enough time to change large numbers of genetic codes by random chance. It can happen quickly with a lot of intentional cross breeding, but human breeding is not that controlled.
Finally one final note... I don't see any men here saying they are unable to control their impulses. I'd like to know who they are if so, but if they don't exist then I don't see any real problem. No more so then I would see with strippers wearing school girl uniforms; presumably we have assumed that as long as it is all just fantasy it is fine. But maybe not, in which case a lot of people are guilty for thinking and profiting from the schoolgirl aged fantasy.
That said, I do understand why we worry about grown men running around and thinking about porking teenagers. We either have to trust they can control it on their own, or hope the punishment system deters actually engaging in the behavior, but that leaves us feeling kind of helpless.
I really do think when faced with this kind of situation, we humans tend to use what I like to call, "social birth control". Basically before we had access to cheap, safe, BC, DNA testing, and Abortions, the way you kept your kids (and wife in some cultures) from following their urges is to make them feel like shit; scared, dirty, the devil is at play, evil for having sexual thoughts. It is also a good way to keep pervy male sexual behavior in check. And I guess it works, or people wouldn't keep doing it. Well at least it seems to deter sexual behaviors. I'm not sure if it really stops sexual thoughts.