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Melonie
06-04-2009, 12:40 PM
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Ms. Mia Roberts
06-04-2009, 12:47 PM
if she was slapped...he deserved it

Melonie
06-04-2009, 01:05 PM
^^^ no argument from me ... but the customer's high powered attorneys probably take a very different view !

The area of greater concern is that these high powered attorneys have managed to also sue the dancer personally, as a result of her being an independent contractor business operator rather than an employee of Cheetahs. This potentially leaves this dancer 'wide open' for personal liability to pay any sort of 'pain and suffering' award to the customer that a local jury allows. This is a potentially dangerous legal precedent.

Golden_Rule
06-04-2009, 09:22 PM
I've tried to explain the very real issues of personal liability for lack of anger management, but its continuously fallen on deaf ears.

It doesn't matter how valid the dancer thinks her POV is in the law suit game or whether she is justified or not. The only thing that matters to the lawyer/ambulance chaser this guy gets is whether 33% of his case is worth any actual cash. The only thing that should be important to the dancer is protecting her assets. Not THOSE assets. I mean her bank account, house, car, etc.

You have guys in clubs with nothing to lose and YOU, the dancer, have money and things and zippo liability insurance. It all comes down to good risk management.

Kick that much deserving bozo at your own risk. The house you loose may be your own. [not you, Melonie, I know you know better... I mean dancers in general]

[not telling you Ladies anything I didn't tell the cops who worked under me who had to handle the same problems on their job when dealing with the notion of poking that much deserving pain in the ass who just spit on them, called their mother something vile, etc. Sometimes, when you think of what you have to lose, its just not worth it.]

Melonie
06-04-2009, 11:08 PM
with all of the different state action re declaring dancers to be 'statutory employees', in fairness I have to point out that this lawsuit against this dancer could NOT have happened if she had been a 'statutory employee' of the Cheetah club rather than an independent contractor. Perhaps this will lead to a separate 'statutory employee' dancer lawsuit in Florida, or even a 'statutory eimployee' ruling coming out of this personal injury lawsuit !

pornlaw
06-06-2009, 10:08 AM
with all of the different state action re declaring dancers to be 'statutory employees', in fairness I have to point out that this lawsuit against this dancer could NOT have happened if she had been a 'statutory employee' of the Cheetah club rather than an independent contractor. Perhaps this will lead to a separate 'statutory employee' dancer lawsuit in Florida, or even a 'statutory eimployee' ruling coming out of this personal injury lawsuit !

I will have to disagree with you on this one. Just because someone is an employee does not mean they are indeminified by the employer when it comes to actions at work. If it was a situation where the kick was an accident during a lap dance, then yes I would agree with you.

However, even in sexual harassment litigation, you can name the actual harasser in the lawsuit. Kicking customers does not fall within usual and customary when it comes to job duties of dancers. And what the dancer did, could be considered a criminal act.

WiseGuy_TX
06-06-2009, 11:26 AM
...her actions fall under self defense for being ASSaulted. His greedy lawyers are trying to go after the club (deep pocket theory) in an attempt to settle for some bucks.

Shageer was unaware she had been sued along with the Cheetah by the prominent litigation firm of Lytal, Reiter, Fountain & Williams. Attorney Lake "Trey" Lytal III has said Ireland was forced to sue the club and Shageer after the club's insurance company refused any pay out to Ireland.

A sheriff's office report states Shageer told a deputy that she spun her legs around after being slapped, accidentally striking Ireland with her heel, and felt badly about it.

According to the report, Ireland denied ever touching Shageer and said he did not want to press charges against her.

Gia2608
06-06-2009, 11:36 AM
So the sheriff's office has his mug shot on file, what was he arrested for? If it was any type of fraud/ white collar crime that may weigh heavily on this case too.

Now I heard another club here was getting sued because a dancer's shoe flew off and hit a customer in the head. Is this the same case or are people getting that desperate?


The clubs need to start posting :"Enter at your own risk" signs

Gia2608
06-06-2009, 11:37 AM
Also, you have to be a member to go to Cheetah clubs, it is a "private" club not a public place, I wonder if that has any bearing in the legalities here?

CKXXX
06-06-2009, 01:01 PM
Also, you have to be a member to go to Cheetah clubs, it is a "private" club not a public place, I wonder if that has any bearing in the legalities here?

Is that the case with the West Palm club? Because thats def not how the other Cheetah's around here are..they are just reg strip clubs.

Melonie
06-06-2009, 08:22 PM
Just because someone is an employee does not mean they are indeminified by the employer when it comes to actions at work. If it was a situation where the kick was an accident during a lap dance, then yes I would agree with you.

^^^ the 'accident' scenario was the way the original 'story' came down. I agree with you wholeheartedly that if this dancer had blatantly and deliberately 'assaulted' the customer in response to an ass-slap that 'employee' status would not protect her from potential litigation (disproportional response ?). My basic point was that, as an independent business entity rather than an 'employee', the dancer ( actually her business, which in the case of a sole proprietor business amounts to her personally ) is fully exposed ... whereas 'employee' status would confer some degree of basic protection against direct litigation under the employer's 'liability' umbrella.

Kylea2
06-06-2009, 09:34 PM
Personally, I don't know about the rest of you but I'm really impressed with the manager that they spoke to. He seems very level headed about the whole thing.

I can't personally say how I feel about this case. I mean, if a customer did that to me I would go have the bouncer remove the customer from the club. I doubt that he caused her any sort of permanent or physical injury so the backlash may have been uncalled for and not really self defense which actually causes harm. A bit of stinging on the buttocks isn't really harmful, but it is disrespectful and the customer should have been removed from the club. I feel bad for her that she's in this situation, but people need to realize that just because someone does something to you doesn't mean that you should do it back, especially worse.

I think her only hope at this point might be counter suing for sexual harassment so she doesn't lose so much to this guy. I wander if she's made any direct attempts to settle this out of court?

Melonie
06-07-2009, 10:24 AM
^^^ reading between the lines, the dancer in question seems to have simply 'vanished'. This was probably a comparatively smart technical move, since it now forces the plaintiff to invest yet more time and money into 'tracking her down'. If the amount of 'extra effort' looks likely to exceed the total amount of 'damages' that the plaintiff might actually be able to recover from this dancer, the lawsuit will simply be allowed to disappear. This will particularly be the case if the dancer in question does not own a home, does not own a car ( with lots of equity), does not have 'official' on the books savings / retirement / investment assets etc. which would all become targets of the plaintiff's lawsuit.

As far as the club manager goes, from his standpoint his ass is covered. The corporation he works for was named in the lawsuit, not him personally. Additionally, the corporation has insurance coverage in place to deal with potential 'damage' awards. It is really only the independent contractor dancer whose 'ass is exposed'.

Gia2608
06-07-2009, 10:41 AM
Is that the case with the West Palm club? Because thats def not how the other Cheetah's around here are..they are just reg strip clubs.


You know what, you're right Pompano is not and it's been a while since I've been to the one in WPB so I could be wrong but they always made the guys (at Hallandale too) fill out some kind of stupid form when they came in the door the first time to "join" the club. Then again now that Cheetah bought out like 57 other clubs (ha ha ) that policy may have become a little more lax.

britneyireland
06-07-2009, 02:21 PM
It just reminds me of the lady who sued McDonalds when she spilled hot coffee in her lap.

all we need is ONE judge to rule in favor of the customer and all havoc will break loose.

Kylea2
06-07-2009, 07:57 PM
^^^ I don't know that I would compare those. I mean, in one instance the customer went to McDonald's and purchased an item. In this instance a customer went to a club and instigated problems rather than making a purchase. If he purchased a lap dance and then she randomly beat him it might be the same thing.

I do agree though that all havoc could break loose if the judge rules in the customer's favor. That gives a lot of customers an "open ticket" to physically harass dancers without backlash.

CKXXX
06-07-2009, 08:49 PM
It just reminds me of the lady who sued McDonalds when she spilled hot coffee in her lap.


That was different. She didnt spill it..it boiled over while she was sitting still. And she needed skin grafts...it was really bad.

lilymiaomiao
06-08-2009, 03:05 AM
I do agree though that all havoc could break loose if the judge rules in the customer's favor. That gives a lot of customers an "open ticket" to physically harass dancers without backlash.

We'd have to arrange a massive stripper protest with big signs.

WiseGuy_TX
06-08-2009, 04:27 AM
That was different. She didnt spill it..it boiled over while she was sitting still. And she needed skin grafts...it was really bad....the 79 year old woman was in her car, put the coffee cup between her legs, pulled on the lid, and spilled it herself in her lap. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants)

CKXXX
06-08-2009, 12:13 PM
...the 79 year old woman was in her car, put the coffee cup between her legs, pulled on the lid, and spilled it herself in her lap. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants)

Thats not the only(or even correct being Wikipedia) version:Even if it spilled and didnt boil over...SKIN grafts arent the basis of a frivolous lawsuit. And apparently she tried to settle for medical expenses only,but McDonalds refused.

http://lawandhelp.com/q298-2.htm

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

http://www.vanfirm.com/mcdonalds-coffee-lawsuit.htm

http://ken_ashford.typepad.com/blog/2009/01/the-truth-about-that-mcdonalds-hot-coffee-lawsuit.html

Earl_the_Pearl
06-08-2009, 12:34 PM
I think her only hope at this point might be counter suing for sexual harassment so she doesn't lose so much to this guy.

Do you really think that will fly? Sexual harassment of a stripper wile she is on stage; I can see the jury rolling their eyes now. ::)

Earl_the_Pearl
06-08-2009, 12:43 PM
We'd have to arrange a massive stripper protest with big signs.
If strippers united they could control the world; I hereby announce my candidacy for business manager of the union.

Gia2608
06-08-2009, 01:16 PM
We'd have to arrange a massive stripper protest with big signs.

I will carry two:

"FAT CHANCE, I WON'T DANCE"

"HELL NO!! WE WON'T SHOW"

Paris
06-08-2009, 01:30 PM
That guy must be rich. Somehow I doubt a prominent law firm takes cases on a percentage basis, especially when it seems that he instigated the action. If he really does start dragging the dancer into this mess, I'd think the ACLU may get involved on the part of the dancer. They love taking on these kinds of workplace sexual assault types of cases.

Earl_the_Pearl
06-08-2009, 01:49 PM
They love taking on these kinds of workplace sexual assault types of cases.
They go after the employer not the alleged assaulter.

Betides the dancer did the smart thing and disappeared; probably at the clubs direction. The lawyers are going after the money and that is the club. The dancer was named as a matter of law.

WiseGuy_TX
06-08-2009, 04:18 PM
it spilled and didnt boil over...amen.


That guy must be rich. Somehow I doubt a prominent law firm takes cases on a percentage basis, especially when it seems that he instigated the action....amen, probably some trust fund baby.


They go after the employer not the alleged assaulter.

Betides the dancer did the smart thing and disappeared; probably at the clubs direction. The lawyers are going after the money and that is the club. The dancer was named as a matter of law....amen, hoping to scare the club into a settlement.

Did'nt they say she was from out of the country? Maybe she was illegal.

Golden_Rule
06-09-2009, 05:55 PM
That was different. She didnt spill it..it boiled over while she was sitting still. And she needed skin grafts...it was really bad.

That isn't what happened. I read the court transcript. Even the complainant didn't say that is what happened.

She took a scalding cup of hot, black, coffee and put it between her thighs. Then when the car moved unexpectedly she reflexively tightened up causing the cup to pop its top and the hot coffee to spill over the top. Her complaint was that the McDonald's people didn't warn her that black coffee is scalding hot and it was a bad idea to put it between her thighs. ::) [God save us all from stupid people, bad juries and dim judges]

CKXXX
06-10-2009, 07:59 AM
^^according to everything I've read about it..the coffee was significantly hotter then it was supposed to be. Done so they could claim the "hottest coffee served"...which they dont anymore.

I've spilled fresh hot coffee on myself plenty of times..I've never burned my skin OFF. She burned her genitals OFF and needed skin grafts and surgeries...and that was THROUGH her clothes. Thats not normal.

And she WON. With McDonalds high powered lawyers...she would have never won unless her case was rock solid.

CKXXX
06-10-2009, 08:03 AM
AGAIN:

http://www.hurt911.org/mcdonalds.html

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:5Z59BVTe1mYJ:www.jtexconsumerlaw.co m/V11N1/Coffee.pdf+mcdonalds+coffee+lawsuit,why+she+won&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Kellydancer
06-10-2009, 11:50 AM
For some reason I wonder if this guy did this intentionally. Something like this happened at a club I worked at where a guy intentionally caused trouble (slapped a girl so she'd hit him back) so he could sue. Plus, the fact he has a previous arrest proves to me he's kind of low class to begin with.

mediocrity
06-10-2009, 12:03 PM
That was different. She didnt spill it..it boiled over while she was sitting still. And she needed skin grafts...it was really bad.

Actually, she was trying to cream and sugar it and spilled it on herself:

"On February 27, 1992, Stella Liebeck, a 79-year-old woman from Albuquerque, New Mexico, ordered a 49 cup of coffee from the drive-through window of a local McDonald's restaurant. Liebeck was in the passenger's seat of her Ford Probe, and her grandson Chris parked the car so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to her coffee. She placed the coffee cup between her knees and pulled the far side of the lid toward her to remove it. In the process, she spilled the entire cup of coffee on her lap.[7] Liebeck was wearing cotton sweatpants; they absorbed the coffee and held it against her skin as she sat in the puddle of hot liquid for over 90 seconds, scalding her thighs, buttocks, and groin.[8] Liebeck was taken to the hospital, where it was determined that she had suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent.[9] She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. Two years of treatment followed."

CKXXX
06-10-2009, 12:49 PM
^^yes thats been covered thanks.

Golden_Rule
06-10-2009, 04:22 PM
^^according to everything I've read about it..the coffee was significantly hotter then it was supposed to be. Done so they could claim the "hottest coffee served"...which they dont anymore.

I've spilled fresh hot coffee on myself plenty of times..I've never burned my skin OFF. She burned her genitals OFF and needed skin grafts and surgeries...and that was THROUGH her clothes. Thats not normal.

And she WON. With McDonalds high powered lawyers...she would have never won unless her case was rock solid.

Fine on all the rest except the last.

I've seen some mighty stupid things happen in civil court cases. Cut and dried cases of wrong doing go out the window in tons of paperwork and trial by delay until it is 20+ years down the road and the plaintiff's estate is left to finish the suit. Other cases where the plaintiff ought to have hung their head in shame for being so negligent in their contribution to their own bad ends awarded millions of dollars as a reward for their own stupidity.

Stating that the only way someone could win a civil suit is that they must have had a "rock solid" case simply doesn't ring true.

CKXXX
06-10-2009, 06:39 PM
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Stating that the only way someone could win a civil suit is that they must have had a "rock solid" case simply doesn't ring true.
I didnt say that. Dont put words in my mouth.McDonalds has been sued before..plenty of frivolous lawsuits like the guy who sued them because he got fat.

They didnt get anywhere.

She did. She won. Why did she win and not any of the others? Because a grandmothers genitals were burned OFF. If my genitals were burned OFF..I'd sue too. Like I said..I've spilled hot coffee on myself several times. I didnt burn my skin,muscle,ect OFF. Third degree burns requiring extensive skin grafts and reconstructive surgery is NOT the norm for spilling some hot coffee on yourself. ESP since she tried to settle and keep it out of the courts. All she wanted was her medical bills paid. McDonalds refused. She wasnt looking for a big get rich off them lawsuit.

McDonalds required their employees to keep the coffee at almost 200 degrees. Well above the norm. So they could make the marketing claim of "the hottest coffee".

"McDonalds coffee was not only hot, it was
scalding -- capable of almost instantaneous destruction of skin, flesh
and muscle."
" A vascular surgeon determined that Liebeck suffered full
thickness burns (or third-degree burns) over 6 percent of her body,
including her inner thighs, perineum, buttocks, and genital and groin
areas. She was hospitalized for eight days, during which time she
underwent skin grafting. "
"During discovery, McDonalds produced documents showing more than 700
claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims
involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebecks. This
history documented McDonalds' knowledge about the extent and nature of
this hazard."
"McDonalds also said during discovery that, based on a consultants
advice, it held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit to
maintain optimum taste. He admitted that he had not evaluated the
safety ramifications at this temperature. Other establishments sell
coffee at substantially lower temperatures, and coffee served at home is
generally 135 to 140 degree"
"
Further, McDonalds' quality assurance
manager testified that the company
actively enforces a requirement that coffee be held in the pot at 185
degrees, plus or minus five degrees. He also testified that a burn
hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above,
and that McDonalds coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured
into styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn
the mouth and throat. The quality assurance manager admitted that burns
would occur, but testified that McDonalds had no intention of reducing
the "holding temperature" of its coffee."
"Plaintiffs' expert, a scholar in thermodynamics applied to human skin
burns, testified that liquids, at 180 degrees, will cause a full
thickness burn to human skin in two to seven seconds. Other testimony
showed that as the temperature decreases toward 155 degrees, the extent
of the burn relative to that temperature decreases exponentially. Thus,
if Liebeck's spill had involved coffee at 155 degrees, the liquid would
have cooled and given her time to avoid a serious burn."
"
McDonalds asserted that customers buy coffee on their way to work or
home, intending to consume it there. However, the companys own research
showed that customers intend to consume the coffee immediately while
driving."

This is NOT the frivolous lawsuit people think it was.

WiseGuy_TX
06-10-2009, 07:04 PM
...i'm spilling a Hot StarBucks Cinnamon Dolce Latte with Sugar-Free Syrup on my beaver cleaver right now and can see $$$$$$$$$ circling above my head.....:doctor2:

Gia2608
06-18-2009, 07:17 PM
the real question is, why was a 79 year old driving? Any other Floridians wanna get behind me on this one?

callista
06-19-2009, 03:18 AM
the real question is, why was a 79 year old driving? Any other Floridians wanna get behind me on this one?

Could be worse. I have a 92 yr old neighbor, she still drives, and volenteers at the hospital. She also constantly forgets that yes, I regularly leave for work (day job) at 7 am, and still asks me where I'm going. She's nosy as hell.... And she is always telling me i'm lucky to have a job. ::)

Personally, on the coffee issue, I don't think the coffee should have been that hot. I also think the woman should have been more careful - everyone knows that coffee, no matter where it's from, is hot when you get it. It's likely to splash in a cupholder, let alone spill when it's being held on a crooked seat, between someone's legs (very poor judgement, IMO). However, this thread isn't about that.... It's about the lawsuit involving cheetah's.

I don't think I've ever seen a manager looking that calm and collected in any taped interview. I'm really interested to see how this turns out, from what I've heard it really sounds like this guy is suing the club and dancer as more of an afterthought than anything else. If he honestly chose to not complain or seek medical treatment after the incident occured, then why would he wait, and THEN get upset? Methinks I smell a rat, a money hungry rat.

I wasn't there on the night it happened, obviously. However, I've heard of much worse incidents occurring; i know of one girl that literally slammed her stilleto into someone's head, causing him to get stitches. That is something that I would view as lawsuit worthy, not this incident....

Times are tight right now, this tends to lead to frivolous complaints and lawsuits. As an example, my boyfriend got in an accident a bit ago, and dented someones bumper a bit... No damage to his car, and we had no injuries (my knee was crammed up against the front console, and I had no bruising even). She didn't even wait to put her car in park before she called 911, insisting she had horrible back injuries.... The damn paramedics tried to talk her out of going to the hospital even, they knew it was fraud, but she was dead set on it. Even the cops were shaking their heads in disbelief. It sounds like it to me that this is the same sort of case; sadly, however, one of our own is involved.

I could understand if he had smacked her on the ass, and she beat the living pulp out of him; if he were beaten so badly he had to be wheeled out on a stretcher. However, this isn't the case.

What's next? Someone suing because they feel taken advantage of? This really really concerns me, I hope this case ends up being thrown out - otherwise, it's going to be a very bad precedent.

audrey_k
07-10-2009, 02:09 AM
Personally, I don't know about the rest of you but I'm really impressed with the manager that they spoke to. He seems very level headed about the whole thing.

I can't personally say how I feel about this case. I mean, if a customer did that to me I would go have the bouncer remove the customer from the club. I doubt that he caused her any sort of permanent or physical injury so the backlash may have been uncalled for and not really self defense which actually causes harm. A bit of stinging on the buttocks isn't really harmful, but it is disrespectful and the customer should have been removed from the club. I feel bad for her that she's in this situation, but people need to realize that just because someone does something to you doesn't mean that you should do it back, especially worse.

I think her only hope at this point might be counter suing for sexual harassment so she doesn't lose so much to this guy. I wander if she's made any direct attempts to settle this out of court?

I agree. Although personally I would have told him to buy me a drink as an apology and then gotten him kicked out of the club. }:D

It seems like she drastically overreacted which makes me wonder if he's full of shit or if there is more to what he did to her. It just seems odd to kick someone THAT hard in the HEAD over a butt slap. I mean you would have everyone nearby looking at you and feeling a bit scared!

However, I really feel like what happens in the strip clubs happens in the strip club. If you want to be a dancer be prepared to have to look out for yourself and put up with touchy creeps. If you're a customer and you want to push the boundaries be prepared for someone to fight back.

miabella
07-10-2009, 03:29 AM
the coffee case dates from before cupholders were common in most cars. the car she was in did not have cupholders. they were not commonplace, nor were they large sized.

this is actually a key reason she won. if this had happened in 2002, she probably would not have even spilt on herself anyway because by then the probe line had cupholders.

also mcd's had been called out about the hot coffee before. it was far too hot.

Almost Jaded
07-23-2009, 08:23 PM
Actually the "Probe line" didn't have cup holders in 2002; they stopped building it in '97. 1st generation was manufactured from '88 to '92, 2nd generation from '93 to '97. And both models did, in fact, have cup holders, though not generous ones by todays standards.

Just for the record, lol.

miabella
07-24-2009, 12:22 AM
that's weird, but then all the information surrounding that case kinda has a cloud of uncertainty about it.

i do remember her car (regardless of model) really didn't have cupholders and that they weren't common at the time of the lawsuit. but as to what model, i think i just made assumptions based off of other posts and articles. because now i think on it, i don't think the model was given.

but anyway, old girl deserved that money!

BIGJosh
07-26-2009, 01:29 AM
What a douchebag this guy is! I dont doubt for a second that he slapped her ass, probably enough to warrant a kick to the melon. He's lucky he didnt get the shit kicked outta him.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-26-2009, 04:36 PM
What a douchebag this guy is! I dont doubt for a second that he slapped her ass, probably enough to warrant a kick to the melon. He's lucky he didnt get the shit kicked outta him.
The only way a kick to the melon would be warranted would be to prevent another strike from the PL. If the PL did not attempt to strike again a counter strike is not warranted but an arrest for assault is.

WiseGuy_TX
07-26-2009, 04:50 PM
The only way a kick to the melon would be warranted would be to prevent another strike from the PL....which a kick to the melon can accomplish.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-26-2009, 05:10 PM
...which a kick to the melon can accomplish.
This would have to be decided at trial; if after the slap the PL was looking at his buddy with his hands at his side a kick would not be warranted. If the PL was drawing his hand back for another strike a kick is then warranted.

Could the dancer take a step backward and get out of striking range and let security handle it; that is what she pays them for is it not?

WiseGuy_TX
07-26-2009, 05:34 PM
This would have to be decided at trial; if after the slap the PL was looking at his buddy with his hands at his side a kick would not be warranted. If the PL was drawing his hand back for another strike a kick is then warranted.

Could the dancer take a step backward and get out of striking range and let security handle it; that is what she pays them for is it not?...we could invent "what if" scenarios all day but the fact remains it is reasonable justified response especially to a "what if" jury of all women. You do realize, "what if" she says "i thought he was going to do it again", .....then its game over.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-26-2009, 06:18 PM
...we could invent "what if" scenarios all day but the fact remains it is reasonable justified response especially to a "what if" jury of all women. You do realize, "what if" she says "i thought he was going to do it again", .....then its game over.
We will never know as the dancer in question has despaired and the club is in no hurry to find her.

xdamage
07-26-2009, 08:26 PM
...we could invent "what if" scenarios all day but the fact remains it is reasonable justified response especially to a "what if" jury of all women. You do realize, "what if" she says "i thought he was going to do it again", .....then its game over.

Agreed and some men too would say it is a reasonable response given the situation. Also if I was attacked I wouldn't sit around and negotiate so they can do it again, maybe second time hurt me worse while I'm trying to figure out how far they will go. I'd want them fucked up so I know I am safe, debate about it later.

Almost Jaded
07-28-2009, 04:18 PM
miabella - you were right, it was a Probe she was driving. Why she didn't use the cupholder... Well, I don't always use mine, either, lol.

I see both sides of the McD's case; still, I think it was blown way out of proportion. Regardless of whether McD's sesrves it hot blah blah... The fact is she put it between her legs, she took the top off, she spilled it. If it had been cold, she would have complained, LOL!

I think if I guy gets out of line, the dancer absolutely should strike back. I bet it was more than a slap on the butt to get a shoe to the head, too.

Prisoner201181
07-28-2009, 04:27 PM
Well sometimes you have to weigh risks and benefits, is it worth it to dance, to not dance, to pay taxes and gain liability as an independent contracter, to not, to slap someone, to remain stoic, all these are risks. All I can say is be well informed so you aren't surprised as to what's coming if you happen to draw the short stick on one of these risks.