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Eric Stoner
06-25-2009, 11:38 AM
oh i read it. more than once. i'm not going to search for the post because quite frankly i dont care enough to do so. it was about NJ i do remember that. you never responded much less said you were wrong. in fact i've never seen you say you are wrong. now THAT i would truly remember.
as for ever seeing anyone thank you i dont recall that either. to accuse me of selective amnesia is laughable at best. i used to be a mod here and read almost every single post on this board, everyday. so i think i would remember someone praising and or thanking you guys. because honestly i would have been like wow, really? maybe they do know what they are talking about. lol
i was never a mod in club chat so i did not nor could i "limit sources of information" .
as for the wtf are you talking about. at the end of your post you said many s-web DANCERS benefited from you advice. implying that anyone that didn't listen to you guys was lesser of an entertainer.
it amazes me that you have so much bitterness and hate for me. it boggles the mind really.
that alone for anyone reading should send a clear signal of where you are coming from.
Could you give me a hint other than it had something to do with or mentioned N.J. ? If I didn't admit I was wrong it means that afaic I wasn't "wrong". Not on a FACTUAL basis anyway. I've reviewed my posts for the past year and can't find any factual error other than my forgetting that Devon Michaels's Club in Peoria is named Elliott's. And I immediately acknowledged the factual corrective for which
I am always thankful.
As far as 'testimonials", There are a few on here. All you have to do is look. Try it with your eyes OPEN.
Go to Club Chat- "Dancer Earnings Survey" and look for a post dated 10/18/08. I've repeatedly refused to "bust" any friend of mine on this board just to satisfy your childish prurience. The few ladies that have been gracious enough to come forward and post a kind word or two did so by themselves without any request from me.
You're being quite modest about the garbage you've thrown in my direction. Afaic you ABUSED your position but it's all moot now anyway. Men are not allowed to post in Club Chat or PP Dancing. You got what you always wanted: exclusively FEMALE forums.
I NEVER said anything remotely resembling what you are trying to impute to me i.e. that any dancer who didn't listen to me ( or G.R. ) was in any way the "lesser" for it. That is 100 % a concoction all your own. It is an example of the tortured "logic" ?? you like to employ that somehow because a dancer has benefitted from my info or contacts then one who chooses not to is ..... what exactly ? I need a little help from you here since I never said or implied any such thing. A dancer who doesn't need or want my advice is what, according to your tortured interpretation of what I actually posted ? Oh forget it ! The mental contortions required to keep up with some of your strange and half baked ideas is a little too much for me. Rave on ! Have a time. Knock yourself out.
As for the alleged "bitterness and hate", I have none. As I say, you are the one with an agenda. not me. I'm glad you had a great career. I respect that you didn't compromise your dignity and I wish you a long and happy retirement.
DEE_K
06-25-2009, 12:18 PM
While I have truly appreciated some of the male input on these forums, in my humble opinion giving useful advise about dancing is best done by others who have been in the profession. I hold that this is true for many other jobs as well.
The main reason is that the one thing everyone is an expert about is themselves. So anyone who tries to give advice from the standpoint of a customer is going to be biased towards what they would like. While this may work on that one customer, it may certainly not be the most useful tactic (sometimes people don't know what would actually get them to spend more until they experience it), and the customer may not even be "worthwhile" (meaning it would be easier to make even more money with a different type of customer).
These sites, while they may possibly have some useful info (I've only ever read SC-List and found it worse than useless) they would still show this bias. My job is not to please one person, it's about learning to read people in general and entertain them to the best of my abilities. I don't know if wading through lots of BS that would get me depressed about my job or make me angry at certain customers is worth any insight I would gain.
This is one of the few jobs where women not only are not at a disadvantage to men but are actually at an advantage. Not only that, but the job actually encourages us to use our feminine powers of persuasion. I've yet to ever hear anything from a man that has actually helped me with this.
Eric Stoner
06-25-2009, 01:01 PM
While I have truly appreciated some of the male input on these forums, in my humble opinion giving useful advise about dancing is best done by others who have been in the profession. I hold that this is true for many other jobs as well.
The main reason is that the one thing everyone is an expert about is themselves. So anyone who tries to give advice from the standpoint of a customer is going to be biased towards what they would like. While this may work on that one customer, it may certainly not be the most useful tactic (sometimes people don't know what would actually get them to spend more until they experience it), and the customer may not even be "worthwhile" (meaning it would be easier to make even more money with a different type of customer).
These sites, while they may possibly have some useful info (I've only ever read SC-List and found it worse than useless) they would still show this bias. My job is not to please one person, it's about learning to read people in general and entertain them to the best of my abilities. I don't know if wading through lots of BS that would get me depressed about my job or make me angry at certain customers is worth any insight I would gain.
This is one of the few jobs where women not only are not at a disadvantage to men but are actually at an advantage. Not only that, but the job actually encourages us to use our feminine powers of persuasion. I've yet to ever hear anything from a man that has actually helped me with this.
For the most part, I AGREE with you. Always have. If all I had or have to offer is just a custie POV, I would never bother posting. What would be the use ? What value would it have ? Likewise, I DISAGREED with G.R. re: the value of reading custie sites like SCL. Similarly, my comments on your or any dancer's "feminine powers" would have little if any value. For obvious reasons. What appeals to me is unique to me but more importantly, I've been in the business. I know too many dancers. They've shared too many of their stories. I know too many of the "tricks".
You can go through ALL of my posts and you won't find a single one from ME trying to tell a dancer HOW to separate a custie from his money. Aside from the obvious pretentious and presumtuous nature of such a thing, I've always thought that such things were an exclusively female domain and lady's prerogative. MY posts usually concern opportuniites for practicing those "feminine powers" and displaying the usually congruent feminine charms.
Earl_the_Pearl
06-25-2009, 02:18 PM
This is one of the few jobs where women not only are not at a disadvantage to men but are actually at an advantage.
You are of course referring to PLs and not the ones that run the business.
hockeybobby
06-25-2009, 03:53 PM
GR: how would you ever know for certain that you weren't being "worked", or "handled", or "hustled"? I'm talking about a stripper in a stripclub here.
If I didn't learn after being in the clubs and observing, eyes-ears-mind open, for 30 years... Add to that 25 years of being a cop and detective in a large city, than working task forces... and there is other stuff but I don't want to be that open a book... [Editor's note: OK, added some of it below so maybe I do want to be that open a book... second note: redacted the training facility, so maybe I don't want to be that open a book after all. {LOL}]
Geeze Bobby, if I didn't have a clue after all that than no one does.
If anyone wants to see that as arrogant I won't deter them. Those that know and hang around me have first hand experience that my track record speaks for itself. By that I mean that in casual observing of others, or a situation I am in, I will point out to those around me what is going on in the given situation and a check later on with one or both of the parties involved will show I hit the nail right on the head, even in unusual circumstances [because I've seen so many different unusual circumstances that to me its not that unusual :) ].
I've lived a truly full life; like a lot of people, and anyone doing that and, again, taking the time to truly observe and process what they have been witness to, can't help but get a clue over time.
You'd have to be pretty stupid not to, and I am a lot of things [some good, some bad] but stupid isn't one of them.
BTW, the other part of the answer is : I have specialized training in abnormal psych recognition, profiling, body language, and a few other things I picked up at [redacted] and other places that makes picking up on folks with borderline personality disorders and grifter types nowhere near as hard as it might be for other folk... the reason this is "the other answer" is that I do not think it is required or more important than what I gave as the primary answer above, that anyone can and should do [that being LIVE and OBSERVE/PROCESS as you do it], but it doesn't hurt.
Yeah, that's all nice GR, but the correct answer is: you'll only know for certain you didn't get "worked" if you didn't pay her. Period.
It's great that all that specialized training is being put to good use with the strippers. Your concern with getting good value comes through loud and clear in your posts, whether it's about your exploits in the club or with your private parties. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that a grifter in the club for you is a girl who doesn't give good value for the money.
In any event, when you hand over the money for her work GR....believe it, it was work for her, and you just got worked....regardless of how good a bargain you made for yourself. You have no idea what she was thinking behind that smile she was wearing. It would be arrogance to think that you did.
DEE_K
06-25-2009, 04:48 PM
You are of course referring to PLs and not the ones that run the business.
Actually I was referring to just dancers. As in female dancers having an advantage over male dancers. From what I've observed, women get the better deal with regards to this job.
Earl_the_Pearl
06-25-2009, 05:08 PM
Actually I was referring to just dancers. As in female dancers having an advantage over male dancers. From what I've observed, women get the better deal with regards to this job.
OIC I misunderstood completely. I never thought of male dancers; they are a tiny part of the business.
velvet
06-26-2009, 10:10 PM
oh geez eric you give me so much credit all the while trying to make me look stupid. if i would have abused my mod status i would have been removed. i wasn't i resigned. pryce was 100% behind my moderation. we had MANY reports of your posts so while i may have been vocal i wasn't the only one, not even close.
it was pryce's decision after years of the female members complaining about the male input to change the rules here. after all this is STRIPPER web
you wouldn't have any idea of what and whom was discussed "behind the scenes" so picking me out is ridiculous. the majority of the women here cant stand you and i know that for a fact.
thanks for the fake well wishes though. that was super of you.
Golden_Rule
06-27-2009, 02:47 AM
I have a very ironic alias on usasexguide.info . I read it when I hear rumours at work and have actually been able to (I suspect) identify a few of the posters at my job based on their reactions and price offers. It helps me learn what cues to look out for and when to get the hell out of dodge.
I would be the first to admit that what would be the easiest things to pick up from such sites, especially for new dancers, is what to avoid.
I hope you realize the same is true for new "custies" reading sites like SW.
After about a half hour of reading it though, it makes me so angry I want to start burning houses down and kicking puppies.
And, again, the same can be said for many new customers reading a forum like "Hustle Hut" here. Any number of whom might never set foot in a S-C again after their reading.
Like most stuff where men and women are concerned, it works both ways. :)
Golden_Rule
06-27-2009, 03:31 AM
It's great that all that specialized training is being put to good use with the strippers. Your concern with getting good value comes through loud and clear in your posts, whether it's about your exploits in the club or with your private parties. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that a grifter in the club for you is a girl who doesn't give good value for the money.
Well 1) I would hope any and all people use what they've learned anywhere, everywhere. There is no rule I know of that says one should only use certain knowledge in certain places. 2) Who doesn't want good value for their money spent. Don't you? Now if you are hiding a moral judgment behind that comment, like maybe the suggestion that "good value" means only extras... well then I would say that you are wrong, don't know me well enough yet, and haven't read what I have posted nearly closely enough as I have said very clearly and many times, in many different places here, that entertainment is what I desire for my money and that takes many forms.
BTW, the posting I have done about my exploits in the clubs -again if you are reading closely- is almost always about incidents that have taken place with friends of mine. I don't claim they would happen with other people because they aren't interacting with actual friends they see and hang out with outside the clubs. Some of them are sexy bits of business but I'm a swinger and at least some of my friends are swingers, certainly many of the ones I go to strip-clubs with, and swingers tend to do sexy things with their friends. That's what makes them swingers in the first place, right?
3) In my private parties I am working and have no exploits. My function is to keep other people having exploits of their own, male and female alike, safe and happy. I don't have time for exploits. Just work.
4) A grifter is someone who uses someone else's weakness, greed usually but lust works too, to take advantage of them and does something that the person being used always regrets later. I have pointed out, again many times, that grifters in S-C's come in both dancer and CUSTOMER flavors. There are no shortage of people trying to take advantage of one another in S-Cs.
If people engage in mutually consenting, fully informed, activities no one should feel gypped or taken advantage of afterward and no flim-flamming has taking place. If someone lies, cheats by promising something of value they have no plans on actually delivering [works both ways], makes promises they know they aren't going to keep in order to separate someone from anything that has value [see, again, it works BOTH ways] that's bunko artist work plain and simple.
I hope you have a better understanding of where I am coming from now.
In any event, when you hand over the money for her work GR....believe it, it was work for her, and you just got worked....regardless of how good a bargain you made for yourself. You have no idea what she was thinking behind that smile she was wearing. It would be arrogance to think that you did.
You can only tell by the proof of the pudding test. If you make an informed choice and it works out you were right then that counts as one time correct. If it happens over and over again it indicates not that you can read minds, but that you can read personality traits and by that knowledge determine more likely than not the choices of other people. You can predict behavior based on known patterns ascribed to given traits.
Its as much art as it is science, but its real and can be quantified and verified when tested with results that can be replicated time and time again. And results that can be replicated are the scientific test that differentiates theory from principle.
hockeybobby
06-27-2009, 09:43 AM
4) A grifter is someone who uses someone else's weakness, greed usually but lust works too, to take advantage of them and does something that the person being used always regrets later. I have pointed out, again many times, that grifters in S-C's come in both dancer and CUSTOMER flavors. There are no shortage of people trying to take advantage of one another in S-Cs.
If people engage in mutually consenting, fully informed, activities no one should feel gypped or taken advantage of afterward and no flim-flamming has taking place. If someone lies, cheats by promising something of value they have no plans on actually delivering [works both ways], makes promises they know they aren't going to keep in order to separate someone from anything that has value [see, again, it works BOTH ways] that's bunko artist work plain and simple.
I hope you have a better understanding of where I am coming from now.
Everyone is grifting everyone in a SC by the above definition GR...except for you, the wise, all-knowing observer. How convenient. Taking advantage of someones greed or lust? Please. Any transaction between two people involves taking advantage of the other person's desire to get what you want.
You talk about how things work both ways, but your posts dealing with that particular concept always seem to be chiding strippers about their bad behaviour....like post number 59 just above. It's like you've made up your mind long ago that strippers are con-women, and customers need to be protected from them....by you, the honest golden rule guy.
I'd love to see you bringing to bear your experience and insight to talk about a particularly despicable type of "taking advantage". I'm talking about law enforcement people using their position to take advantage of sex-workers of all types, including strippers. Surely you've seen some of that over the years, and could help the women on this board to recognize and effectively deal with it.
princessjas
06-27-2009, 10:02 AM
Everyone is grifting everyone in a SC by the above definition GR...except for you, the wise, all-knowing observer. How convenient. Taking advantage of someones greed or lust? Please. Any transaction between two people involves taking advantage of the other person's desire to get what you want.
You talk about how things work both ways, but your posts dealing with that particular concept always seem to be chiding strippers about their bad behaviour....like post number 59 just above. It's like you've made up your mind long ago that strippers are con-women, and customers need to be protected from them....by you, the honest golden rule guy.
I'd love to see you bringing to bear your experience and insight to talk about a particularly despicable type of "taking advantage". I'm talking about law enforcement people using their position to take advantage of sex-workers of all types, including strippers. Surely you've seen some of that over the years, and could help the women on this board to recognize and effectively deal with it.
1. Thank you! I hate the holier than thou attitude that a lot of the guys on this board seem to have. More often than not it is the same guys that bitch about the "shadyness" of many strippers. ::)
2. Yep, we are the ones that are so dishonest!! For sure!! Guys never rip us off, try to get the best "value" for their money by being dishonest or try to feel us up in VIP/take other liberties/extras without our consent. >:(
3. Every long-term dancer probably has stories about this. I myself have told several cops "Go ahead and arrest me" after being threatened arrest for being too close to customers (3-foot rule or some crap in one area), but of course "we could work something out." I'm not saying all cops are like this...but it DOES happen... A LOT!
WiseGuy_TX
06-27-2009, 10:45 AM
I'd love to see you bringing to bear your experience and insight to talk about a particularly despicable type of "taking advantage". I'm talking about law enforcement people using their position to take advantage of sex-workers of all types, including strippers. Surely you've seen some of that over the years, and could help the women on this board to recognize and effectively deal with it....and so it was said and so the new thread should be posted. G_R, while HB has an axe to grind (for today at least), i dont, but i would be interested in hearing your take on 20+? years of law enforcement and the sex industry. What you saw/know of, actual stories, your opinion about corruption or what was wrong/right with the police or sex industry during your career, the view most cops had about their job, what cops wished would change, thought were unfair or fair, etc... And as HB says, in your opinion, describe to dancers what cops are thinking when visiting the club and after the raids, what to watch for, how to act, say/not say from a cops perspective to minimize or defuse a situation. (This is G_R's opinions/experience so discuss and no sense arguing with him if you think he is wrong.)
Earl_the_Pearl
06-27-2009, 01:41 PM
say/not say
Never say anything without the advise of council.
Elvia
06-27-2009, 01:54 PM
And, again, the same can be said for many new customers reading a forum like "Hustle Hut" here. Any number of whom might never set foot in a S-C again after their reading.
Like most stuff where men and women are concerned, it works both ways. :)
So? What does that have to do with anything? I thought this thread was about whether it's a good idea for dancers (especially newbies) to spend time reading up on such sites. How customers feel about HH is irrelevant. The fact remains that reading something that makes us angry and reminds us of the worst aspects of our job isn't really a good idea, especially in an industry where maintaining a good attitude and sunny disposition on the job is so important.
Elvia
06-27-2009, 01:55 PM
I've also wondered why I've never heard ONE dancer on stripper web vouch for these parties. Not a one.
Kellydancer
06-27-2009, 09:32 PM
I would recommend new dancers reading those sites not give it much thought because anyone can post. How does anyone truly know it's a customer and not a rival causing trouble? In the case of SCL I know for a fact a club owner posts as a "customer" and posts the most horrendous lies I've ever seen. Reading SCL for advice is like going to Wikipedia for research.
Seriously, unless one was a dancer (or to a lesser extent an employee of a club) I'd believe little if all. When I got into the business I spoke to actual dancers. Likewise, when friends of mine know someone considering getting into the business they bring her to me so I can tell her the truth and not what a customer says. I compare it to when I worked in radio and a listener would try to give me advice (or when I know someone and they claim to be experts because they listen to the station). Just because they were a listener (or a customer in the case of a strip club) doesn't mean they know how things run.
Not directed at anyone in particular, just my pet peeve. I've known so many customers who would argue with me because they were the "expert" though they weren't.
1. Thank you! I hate the holier than thou attitude that a lot of the guys on this board seem to have. More often than not it is the same guys that bitch about the "shadyness" of many strippers. ::)
2. Yep, we are the ones that are so dishonest!! For sure!! Guys never rip us off, try to get the best "value" for their money by being dishonest or try to feel us up in VIP/take other liberties/extras without our consent. >:(
3. Every long-term dancer probably has stories about this. I myself have told several cops "Go ahead and arrest me" after being threatened arrest for being too close to customers (3-foot rule or some crap in one area), but of course "we could work something out." I'm not saying all cops are like this...but it DOES happen... A LOT!
The worst bachelor party I've ever done was for cops. They didn't want to tip, expected extras (which I never do), and were extremely abusive. I ended up leaving a half hour early because they were the biggest jerks. I've also worked at a few clubs where cops would come in just to start a fight, looking to arrest anyone. I've had so many troubles with cops coming into clubs (and I've always been a very clean dancer).
Golden_Rule
06-28-2009, 01:07 AM
Everyone is grifting everyone in a SC by the above definition GR...except for you, the wise, all-knowing observer. How convenient. Taking advantage of someones greed or lust? Please. Any transaction between two people involves taking advantage of the other person's desire to get what you want.
You really believe that, Bobby? If so that is truly sad for you.
No, not everyone is grifting everyone else. There are lots or people just looking for a good time and making a living, dancers and customers alike, and being straight up about it in the process.
And I do observe. It was my business to do so for a very long time and I just can't turn it off.
There is a difference between straight dealing and grifting and if you don't know it or recognize that difference when you see it, or acknowledge its existence... I just don't know what to say to you about that?
You talk about how things work both ways, but your posts dealing with that particular concept always seem to be chiding strippers about their bad behaviour....
You are seeing what you want to see. I do enough chiding both ways. I can tell from the feedback I get. I even chide myself when there's cause to. :)
I'd love to see you bringing to bear your experience and insight to talk about a particularly despicable type of "taking advantage". I'm talking about law enforcement people using their position to take advantage of sex-workers of all types, including strippers. Surely you've seen some of that over the years, and could help the women on this board to recognize and effectively deal with it.
Sure have. Its not a topic being discussed currently or I'd have had something to say about it. Its rare, thank goodness, but it surely does happen.
Golden_Rule
06-28-2009, 01:10 AM
More often than not it is the same guys that bitch about the "shadyness" of many strippers. ::)
Might be the case, but don't hang that one on me. I am an equal opportunity offender and have as much to say about customers as I do about dancers.
Grifting is grifting. Makes no difference whose doing it and as I have said time and time again, there is enough of it going around being done by both men and women in S-Cs. And again I'll repeat, if that wasn't the case S-Cs would be the very pleasant places they could be, given their potential. :)
Golden_Rule
06-28-2009, 01:20 AM
...and so it was said and so the new thread should be posted. G_R, while HB has an axe to grind (for today at least), i dont, but i would be interested in hearing your take on 20+? years of law enforcement and the sex industry. What you saw/know of, actual stories, your opinion about corruption or what was wrong/right with the police or sex industry during your career, the view most cops had about their job, what cops wished would change, thought were unfair or fair, etc... And as HB says, in your opinion, describe to dancers what cops are thinking when visiting the club and after the raids, what to watch for, how to act, say/not say from a cops perspective to minimize or defuse a situation. (This is G_R's opinions/experience so discuss and no sense arguing with him if you think he is wrong.)
I've answered questions like this when brought up on other threads. How to avoid getting into trouble in certain situations, etc. I would have no problem going into just about anything as long as names, locations and dates are kept out of it.
I'm happy to disclose that the only personal stories of my own doings are rather boring in their lack of dramatic effect. I've always tried to be a straight shooter with folks, and that includes sex workers. I never shat where I ate and I never pulled a badge out when it came time to pay. When we were in my venue I expected them to play by my rules, which was lay as low as possible and if you got caught go peaceably. When ever I played in their venue, rare enough but it happened, I played by their rules. Paid what was expected, behaved as was expected, and treated folks like folks just as I always do.
As I have said before its my opinion that prostitution ought to be legalized. Managed by ordinance and statute. Zoned so as to be in places where it won't offend anyone who doesn't want to see it. Taxed and licensed where the money would be ear marked specifically for use of the very people paying those fees and taxes, so as not to cost the general tax payer who isn't participating.
You'd have less corruption, better police and government, and if managed right you can keep the traffickers out and unable to profit from it.
If someone wants to start a thread, or has any specific questions, I'll do what I can to answer them honestly.
Golden_Rule
06-28-2009, 01:25 AM
So? What does that have to do with anything? I thought this thread was about whether it's a good idea for dancers (especially newbies) to spend time reading up on such sites. How customers feel about HH is irrelevant. The fact remains that reading something that makes us angry and reminds us of the worst aspects of our job isn't really a good idea, especially in an industry where maintaining a good attitude and sunny disposition on the job is so important.
The point was that reading HH might make a guy think twice about stepping into a S-C but I would suggest strongly that every guy, particularly newbies, read stuff like that to truly understand the complete nature of the S-C environment. The good and the bad.
The best way to enjoy something that is a mixed bag - and I found out about this from being a swinger as that too is a mixed bag - is to be know it well enough to be able to sort it all out. Then you are in the best position to take what is good and avoid the bad stuff.
velvet
06-28-2009, 01:27 AM
I've also wondered why I've never heard ONE dancer on stripper web vouch for these parties. Not a one.
LOL. thank you.
velvet
06-28-2009, 01:40 AM
everyone is grifting everyone in a sc by the above definition gr...except for you, the wise, all-knowing observer. How convenient. Taking advantage of someones greed or lust? Please. Any transaction between two people involves taking advantage of the other person's desire to get what you want.
You talk about how things work both ways, but your posts dealing with that particular concept always seem to be chiding strippers about their bad behaviour....like post number 59 just above. It's like you've made up your mind long ago that strippers are con-women, and customers need to be protected from them....by you, the honest golden rule guy.
I'd love to see you bringing to bear your experience and insight to talk about a particularly despicable type of "taking advantage". I'm talking about law enforcement people using their position to take advantage of sex-workers of all types, including strippers. Surely you've seen some of that over the years, and could help the women on this board to recognize and effectively deal with it.
this post is gold!
sexy_adriana
06-28-2009, 05:56 AM
It's interesting to read what guys (or "mongers" as they like to call themselves) have to say about certain clubs, girls, etc.
This site:
http://usasexguide.info/forum/forums.php
has discussion forums for everything from strip clubs, hostess bars and massage parlors to streetwalker/escort reports and craigslist reviews.
Oh, my virgin ears! ;D
Did you look at the photo section it is really disturbing, a lot of thhe women are gross looking. I can't believe that guys are desperate enough to have sex with those women.
minalynx
06-28-2009, 07:53 AM
Did you look at the photo section it is really disturbing, a lot of thhe women are gross looking. I can't believe that guys are desperate enough to have sex with those women.
I know right! Not to mention catching diseases + going home to their wife/gf. This girl i knew got herpes from her hubby after he had sex w/a prostitute. He EVEN paid extra for bareback! Wow. Talk about the gift that keeps on giving...
Earl_the_Pearl
06-28-2009, 01:18 PM
Did you look at the photo section it is really disturbing, a lot of thhe women are gross looking. I can't believe that guys are desperate enough to have sex with those women.
That is a totally unfair comment. They do not have the time to reapply makeup every 20 minutes. Besides it is what inside that counts.
All mongers don't have Client #9's money to be able to spend $2,000 an hour.
Earl_the_Pearl
06-28-2009, 01:23 PM
I know right! Not to mention catching diseases + going home to their wife/gf. This girl i knew got herpes from her hubby after he had sex w/a prostitute. He EVEN paid extra for bareback! Wow. Talk about the gift that keeps on giving...
One out of five people in the US of A have genital herpes. Herpes can be transmitted even if a condom is used; in fact any skin to skin contact can transmit herpes.
Gia2608
06-28-2009, 09:33 PM
So now herpes is A, OK and no one is to blame for contracting it?
Even if they get a BBBJ from a hooker?
Golden_Rule
06-29-2009, 07:41 PM
LOL. thank you.
I tried to stay out of this but...
You are so wrong.
Look around if you care to and you'll find several example of SW dancers speaking well of the parties AND, on other non-related posts, thanking both ES and myself for information given them about places to find work as well as other issues, law enforcement, legal and otherwise.
Commenting out of hand as you have been is just bad form.
Then again you know that, as bad form in dealing with men on this site you either take a dislike to, or who have publicly disagreed with you, is your stock and trade.
Golden_Rule
06-29-2009, 07:44 PM
this post is gold!
No it wasn't. "Everyone is grifting"? "Only I can see it"?
It was an atypical post from Bobby that was condescending and weak in its counter-argument.
Only the people taking advantage of one another are grifting.
People coming to fully informed and mutually consensual terms aren't flim-flaming anyone.
And anyone with open eyes, open ears and an open FAIR minded approach to the world can see it.
velvet
06-30-2009, 07:28 PM
Whatever dude. i quoted someone else and you picked on me. i find it laughable that you say i am guilty of "bad form" when you are the one constantly scolding the dancers on a STRIPPER forum.
as far as what bobby posted and i agreed with it. i still stand by it and no amount of you trying to say it's a moral judgement or that we are just stupid if we dont see it will make me change my mind. in fact your naivete on this is funny as well. maybe not YOU golden boy but make no mistake most men are trying to pull SOMETHING in the club and the dancers all want the most money they can get. maybe grifting isn't the most literal term but i think it's damn close. you know i have learned this in over 20 years of being a dancer not an observer
just because i don't think you belong here in the slightest doesn't make what i say invalid at all. the veiled attacks on my character is bullshit too.
ps. i dont think i have ever had a "problem" with any male here other than them breaking the rules. i dont really think i have ever been in an active debate with you for you to disagree with me except now. so that statement was completely untrue.
velvet
06-30-2009, 07:30 PM
btw links for all the praise you have received here?
Golden_Rule
06-30-2009, 08:53 PM
Whatever dude. i quoted someone else and you picked on me. i find it laughable that you say i am guilty of "bad form" when you are the one constantly scolding the dancers on a STRIPPER forum.
I'm not scolding anyone. And if you want to take the way I express myself to be rebuke than anyone giving me an honest read across the entirety of my posts could only come to the conclusion that I am an equal opportunity offender. In general, but specifically in forums where the only thing truly present of the individual is their thoughts expressed in words I am quite gender neutral.
btw links for all the praise you have received here?
You were the one casting dispersions in that regard.
I know they are there as I saw them at the time they were posted. It would only be important for me to go digging for them now and put links to them here if it meant a whole lot to me to prove you wrong.
Absolutely no offense meant but, it doesn't.
velvet
07-01-2009, 09:19 PM
I've also wondered why I've never heard ONE dancer on stripper web vouch for these parties. Not a one.
yep just little ole me. i'm the only one.
you dont care to search and neither do i. i care less and less about being here anyway.
Eric Stoner
07-03-2009, 06:02 AM
oh geez eric you give me so much credit all the while trying to make me look stupid. if i would have abused my mod status i would have been removed. i wasn't i resigned. pryce was 100% behind my moderation. we had MANY reports of your posts so while i may have been vocal i wasn't the only one, not even close.
it was pryce's decision after years of the female members complaining about the male input to change the rules here. after all this is STRIPPER web
you wouldn't have any idea of what and whom was discussed "behind the scenes" so picking me out is ridiculous. the majority of the women here cant stand you and i know that for a fact.
thanks for the fake well wishes though. that was super of you.
When you let your personal predilictions color your decisions as a Mod. ; when you have no sense of balance or fairness and when your moderate with your eyes and mind clamped shut, then imho you are abusing your position. The fact that Pryce may have agreed with you doesn't change my view one whit. I respect Pryce's decisions and try to comply. It's HIS board. It doesn't mean I have to agree with him about everything.
As far as the exclusively female forums, you're right. That was Pryce's decision based at least in part on a poll of the membership. I'm sure it pleased you to no end. You're not trying to claim that you thought differently about the change, are you ?
Isn't it interesting that every time you are challenged to back up some of your ridiculous allegations and accusations about what I've supposedly posted e.g. dancers that don't take my advice are somehow "inferior"- YOUR words; NOT mine- you NEVER do. I've directed you to where you can read some words of thanks directed to me on this board. More than one lady on here who has attended and enjoyed the parties has told me that she doesn't want to post a testimonial for fear of seeing more dancers "crash" parties where the supply of ladies like herself is much LOWER than the demand for same. Very mercenary of her but also very understandable.
I neither know nor care how many gals on here like or dislike me. It's almost ludicrous to make such a judgement about a person almost all of them have never met. But they are free to think whatever they want. I will say that most of those that don't, are both adult and ladylike in their posts to and about me. Almost all of them avoid personal attacks. None that come to mind pretend to be able to judge my sincerity.
Unlike you, I always try to take the high road. I have no reason to wish you ill even though the style and tone of your posts lacks any appeal. Even though I may disagree with you and not like some of your ideas there is no reason to wish you anything but well. At the very least, I hope you never have to become a public charge.
velvet
07-03-2009, 10:53 PM
oh heeeellll yes i was happy about it. so were the majority of girls here.
inferior? i said that? link me please? oh and while we are at links. pleassssssssse link me to those praising you because you never ever have. LOL that NOW it's that they dont want to clue others into where to make money. how convenient for you
oh and as stupid as it seems in your eyes. you are very much the person that people don't like/complain about. surely they are ''lady like" because they send the complaints and reports to the mod lounge. again a area you are not privy to. we ask that they do that rather than respond. girls like to ask the rules first
like i told GR the underhanded swipes at my character is a low blow and funny at the same time.
fuck are you psychic? I'm running for public office as we speak. shhhh
velvet
07-03-2009, 11:02 PM
oh and after you read this? fuck off sanctimonious, patronising asshole.
Please get this thread back on topic and non-personal between members.
Thanks,
FBR
yoda57us
07-04-2009, 01:16 PM
OK, I'm coming late to this thread and frankly I have no intention of reading it all. My two cents about dancers reading SCL or TUSCL is this. Don't bother.
Any dancer with half a brain knows how a guy's mind works. It's called being a woman. It's instinct. Instinct honed by experience. The only advice you need is going to come from other experienced dancers, not from reading SCL...
Some guys have a master plan for how to maximize their ROI in a strip club. If it works you that's just dandy but the fact is you are not really controlling anything other than how much money you take out of your wallet. Strippers, at least the smart ones, figure out what your intentions might be and decide fairly quickly if they are going to stick around and try to get your money or not.
Sure I've seen dancers leave money on the floor many times, including mine, but I don't think reading a bunch of mostly BS posts on SCL is going to change any of that. A dancer's best chance at making good money is figuring out what works for her, not what guys would want her to do.
Earl_the_Pearl
07-04-2009, 01:23 PM
OK, I'm coming late to this thread and frankly I have no intention of reading it all. My two cents about dancers reading SCL or TUSCL is this. Don't bother.
They would find out what is being said about the club and who is supposedly doing what. It may not give them insight to the PL but it just might give them insight into their club and fellow dancers.
That may not be enough as many have said it gets them upset to read those sites.
Golden_Rule
07-04-2009, 01:45 PM
like i told GR the underhanded swipes at my character is a low blow and funny at the same time.
There is nothing "underhanded" in the way I conduct myself, here or anywhere else.
I have an opinion. I stated it in a clear and forthright manner, JUST AS YOU DID YOURSELF. You posted yours first. I tried to be kind and remain out of it but after the fourth of fifth volley fired in my direction in response to ES's posts and an outright attack on the parties I have something directly to do with I RESPONDED.
Please get your facts straight as making it up as you go along is part of the issue I have with the way you post [and formally moderated]. Mind you, I did NOT say with you PERSONALLY as I wouldn't know you if I tripped over you so how would I have the right to comment about that... see, I try to limit MY comments to what I actually know about. ::)
Golden_Rule
07-04-2009, 01:49 PM
Please get this thread back on topic and non-personal between members.
Thanks,
FBR
Saw this AFTER I posted the above.
I've said all I have to say on the topic [actually I wanted to stay out of it altogether but my name got sucked into it and comments were being made about me and my parties so... I'm human]
Dropped from my end.
Golden_Rule
07-04-2009, 01:55 PM
OK, I'm coming late to this thread and frankly I have no intention of reading it all. My two cents about dancers reading SCL or TUSCL is this. Don't bother.
Back on topic.
If you check out the initial post I made no reference to SCL and TUSCL. Though those can provide data on clubs you may want to avoid.
My main thrust was about the SC forums of MSN and particularly Yahoo, with some consideration to other male oriented sites.
Also note while I said that many dancers might profit from it, it was NEWBIES that I thought specifically could gain some perspective about how customers think from such sites. Just as I think newbie customers can gain some insight about how dancers think from reading sites like SW.
yoda57us
07-04-2009, 02:04 PM
Back on topic.
If you check out the initial post I made no reference to SCL and TUSCL. Though those can provide data on clubs you may want to avoid.
You are correct GR, you didn't mention SCL or TUSCL, I didn't say that you did.
Beyond that I don't think it matters where you are reading. As I said, a newbie dancer will learn much more in the dressing room and by watching and learning on the floor than she will by reading about what customers think of the strip club experience. The dancers job is to get guys to spend as much money on them and do as little as possible of a sexual nature. The customers goal is to spend as little as possible and get the most for his money. The two goals are polar opposites and I think it's much easier for both customers and dancers to keep their eye on the prize if they worry about the one thing that they have absolute control over: Themselves.
I rarely if ever read any of the threads on pink beyond this one, customer convo and occasionally other work. The reason for this is because I don't really care what the ladies are saying about me as a customer. It doesn't effect my approach in the clubs. I do what I've done since before there where web sites to suggest I do anything any differently.
yoda57us
07-04-2009, 02:18 PM
They would find out what is being said about the club and who is supposedly doing what. It may not give them insight to the PL but it just might give them insight into their club and fellow dancers.
LOL, you think they don't know what's going on in their own club? Honestly Earl that's hysterical! My ATF never reads any strip club sites other than a few threads on this one but I can sit with her for a few hours on a quite afternoon and she can tell me which dancers are clean, which ones are dirty, which ones are after her customers, which ones are good earners and which ones are bad. A good dancer develops observation skills very early on if she wants to be succesful and maximize her effort.
Honestly I think we as individual customers often tend to vastly overestimate our importance in the whole process of how clubs work and how dancers make a living. Nice guy or dirt bag, big spender or "one dance a week guy" it doesn't matter. A good dancer looks to maximize revenue on every shift she works. Who she gets the money from is ultimately irrelevant to her. I've heard my favs say more than once that the only time they really have trouble meeting their goal for the night is when there are no customers to work.
If more guys understood and accepted that there would be a lot less angst on this board and in the clubs...
Elvia
07-04-2009, 02:28 PM
They would find out what is being said about the club and who is supposedly doing what. It may not give them insight to the PL but it just might give them insight into their club and fellow dancers.
That may not be enough as many have said it gets them upset to read those sites.
No, what they would get is a bunch of gossip and BS that's often fabricated. If the information on those sites is so often untrue, then what's the point of going to those sites for information?
If I went to those sites as a newbie and checked out what it had to say about every club I've worked in, I would have gone to work convinced that everyone was giving extras all the time and the only way to make any money was through $20 handjobs. Yeah, that would have worked out great. ::)
Elvia
07-04-2009, 02:32 PM
As the last thing I'll say on the topic of private parties...
I would advise those new to this site to be wary of meeting strange men. I would advise them to be wary of accepting invitations to parties from strange men, especially where illegal activity is going on. I would especially be wary of those who make claims that so many dancers on this site have vouched for them, but refuse to show any evidence to support such claims.
Earl_the_Pearl
07-04-2009, 04:43 PM
A good dancer looks to maximize revenue on every shift she works. Who she gets the money from is ultimately irrelevant to her.
If more guys understood and accepted that there would be a lot less angst on this board and in the clubs...
I understand that and tip accordingly but that only increases the angst. So every dancer in the club knows who is doing what letters for how much?
Earl_the_Pearl
07-04-2009, 04:48 PM
No, what they would get is a bunch of gossip and BS that's often fabricated. If the information on those sites is so often untrue, then what's the point of going to those sites for information?
One would have to be able to read between the lines; not looking at one post but a pattern of posting over time. Much as I do on Stripper Web. :P
yoda57us
07-04-2009, 05:09 PM
I understand that and tip accordingly but that only increases the angst. So every dancer in the club knows who is doing what letters for how much?
It would be a stretch to say that every dancer knows every thing that is going on. My point was more that any dancer who wants to know can determine it for herself simply by going to work, observing other dancers, talking to other dancers and customers. She doesn't need a website to tell her what is going on in the club she goes to work in every day. The fact is there is more lying and pure BS on those other sights about who does what than you can imagine.
By the way, the second part of my post was meant to be a general statement Earl. I'm not implying that you are not a good customer in the clubs. As for the angst factor, lol, sorry, can't help you with that other than to say that the truth will set you free!