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hockeybobby
07-11-2009, 05:33 PM
What happens in chat, stays in chat.

Cyril
07-11-2009, 05:39 PM
JayATee,

If my memory is correct the grammar attack in question was not started by Hopper. To your credit, it was not started by you either. It was started by either VMurphy or Mediocrity (I cannot seem to recall exactly who). You simply added your comments to the preceding post and those comments themselves contained grammatical inaccuracies in them. Hopper simply pointed them out to you and he was correct in his observation.

I personally think grammar hardly constitutes a ground for contention between two people who are carrying out a sincere discourse over a bulletin board.

I personally feel that you grossly misunderstand me and you seem to have formed an unfavorable disposition towards me, which I cannot seem to change no matter how hard I try.

I refuse to concede to your assertion that I deserve to be treated unkindly. It simply forms a premise for unhappy discourse between you and me.

audrey_k
07-11-2009, 05:45 PM
Audrey,

You make an excellent point.

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Everyone considers money as a finite resource and this includes Warren Buffett, the richest man in the world. A PL goes to the strip club with a fixed budget in mind and of course I am talking about a smart PL. It seems like clubs take the lion's share of a PL's money and very little is left for strippers to feast on. In this business relationship between strippers and clubs, strippers are at disadvantage. Only way strippers can hope to strike a fair bargain is if they stood together in the form of a Strippers Union. I am certain that cocktail waitresses in Las Vegas are members of Cocktail Waitress Union and the Union does a remarkable job in protecting the vital interests of waitresses as far as my understanding goes.

I am sure there is no Strippers Union in existence at the moment but is such an union feasible? Have you ladies thought about this concept?

I think part of the problem is that there are so many new girls entering into the industry every day that don't know any better-- me being one of them-- that it's easy for clubs to take advantage of their dancers. When the dancer does realize she's being taken advantage of and stands up for herself-- or a large group of dancers do-- there are 20 new, younger girls happy to take the job for her. And while younger definitely does not equal more money for the dancer (more experience = more money IMO) club owners love young girls because they can take advantage of them without them realizing it, and many guys like them for the same reason.

It's very difficult to gauge if you're making a good profit when you begin because everyone lies about how much they make. Girls told me "oh $400 is a bad night..." when I started at my club and there's no way that is a BAD night. I also know that since I'm a very new dancer I'm not going to make the money I will in a year or two. Unlike in a "normal" job you can't check the salaries of a an accountant living in Chicago or a teacher in a public school in Seattle. And there are no laws about how much the club can take (at least, I don't think there are, could be wrong) or charge for a house fee. What California clubs seem to do is charge relatively low house fees ($20-25) but take huge cuts from the dances and expect you to tip out your support staff extremely well (after paying back to the house and tipping the five people $2 each for the dance, I make less than half). They all generally have the same house fee, but their cuts from the dances and expected tips differ. When I read about girls house fees outside of LA they're often $85. But they aren't paying as large as a chunk from their dances and they aren't paying as large tips as I'm expected to pay.

However, since I've never danced in anywhere but LA this is all I know, and like I said it's difficult to tell if you're being taken advantage of because there are no set rules (no mimumum wage!) and the information as to what I would make at a different club is NOT out there because there is no even split between the dancers, obviously. Information on fees is not accesible on the internet either. Girls often tell me "you have no idea how much it sucks out here, LA is the worst city to dance in" and no, I don't have any idea, I really don't know how much girls end up paying out or making at clubs on the East coast or in the midwest or even in Vegas so I really don't know how much or if I'm REALLY being taken advantage. Nor do I have any idea what it would have been like to not dance in a recession. :P

And I am one of what seems to be the few dancers who did a lot of research on clubs and the industry in general before beginning.. most new girls, or even girls that have been dancing a few months longer than me, are completely clueless about even the basics.

vmurphy252
07-11-2009, 05:46 PM
It seems to me that people who are chronically misunderstood on Internet forums are stupid.

Cyril
07-11-2009, 05:47 PM
It seems to me that people who are chronically misunderstood on Internet forums are stupid.

Yes, that is true and this post of yours proves that.

vmurphy252
07-11-2009, 05:48 PM
Is that attacking me? I was just making a general statement about people. I don't know why you are getting upset with me...

Cyril
07-11-2009, 05:52 PM
Is that attacking me? I was just making a general statement about people. I don't know why you are getting upset with me...

I am not getting upset with you at all. I was simply pointing out that your post was being misunderstood. What does that make you? :)

JayATee
07-11-2009, 05:53 PM
JayATee,

If my memory is correct the grammar attack in question was not started by Hopper.

And this matters because? Besides that your memory is wrong, so stop spewing this bs when you have no clue what the hell you're talking about. :-X




I refuse to concede to your assertion that I deserve to be treated unkindly. It simply forms a premise for unhappy discourse between you and me.


I really don't care. I'm not here to make sure you're happy. Until you stop making statements like this one :

Now, I treat stress(or life) like I would treat a bitch; pin her against the bed and bang her.
and then backtracking with moronic statements like this one:
It was just a metaphor. Anyhow bitch does not equal woman, at least to me. So, I do not see how it would be offensive to a woman (or a stripper)?
I will respond accordingly. You reap what you sow.

Cyril
07-11-2009, 05:55 PM
And this matters because? Besides that your memory is wrong so again shut up. :-X

It matters because you were accusing Hopper of instantiating something he probably did not.

Cyril
07-11-2009, 05:59 PM
And this matters because? Besides that your memory is wrong so again shut up. :-X




I really don't care. I'm not here to make sure you're happy. Until you stop making statements like this one :
and then backtracking with moronic statements like this one:
I will respond accordingly. You reap what you sew.

Suit yourself. I think that you are taking that "bitch" thing way too personally.

When someone takes something personally that was not really directed at him/her then that is a sign that the point that was being made resonated true for that person.

JayATee
07-11-2009, 06:01 PM
It matters because you were accusing Hopper of instantiating something he probably did not.

I'm assuming you mean initiating (as in starting something). I wasn't accusing him of initiating anything. LEARN TO READ.


Suit yourself. I think that you are taking that "bitch" thing way too personally.

It's a perfect example of the idiotic things you post. It's certainly not the only one, there's a plethora to choose from.

WiseGuy_TX
07-11-2009, 06:11 PM
...is this thread titled "what makes an off topic thread a bad one"?

Cyril
07-11-2009, 06:17 PM
I'm assuming you meant initiating (as in starting something). I wasn't accusing him of initiating anything. LEARN TO READ.



It's a perfect example of the idiotic things you post. It's certainly not the only one, there's a plethora to choose from.

I do not want to get in a grammar or diction war with you. I surrender before the fight begins. Please celebrate your victory.

But just out of curiosity, why are you not in favor of usage of the word "instantiate"? (Given the context, the usage seems correct.)

princessjas
07-11-2009, 06:22 PM
Suit yourself. I think that you are taking that "bitch" thing way too personally.

When someone takes something personally that was not really directed at him/her then that is a sign that the point that was being made resonated true for that person.

Jeezus Cyril, is it soooo damn difficult to understand that a female support group might not be the place to post some of your crude sexist comments?!?! (Before you argue that you don't post sexist comments, that "pin a bitch to the bed and bang her" statement was VERY fucking sexist.) She is taking it personally because she is a woman and statements like that say everything about your opinion of women. We all take statements like that personally!

vmurphy252
07-11-2009, 06:23 PM
Instantiate makes me think of object oriented programming...

xdamage
07-11-2009, 06:25 PM
Instantiate makes me think of object oriented programming...

+1 geek points awarded ;)

JayATee
07-11-2009, 06:26 PM
I do not want to get in a grammar or diction war with you. I surrender before the fight begins. Please celebrate your victory.

But just out of curiosity, why are you not in favor of usage of the word "instantiate"? (Given the context, the usage seems correct.)

in·stan·ti·ate Pronunciation:\in-ˈstan(t)-shē-ˌāt\ Function:transitive verb Inflected Form(s):in·stan·ti·at·ed; in·stan·ti·at·ingDate:1949: to represent (an abstraction) by a concrete instance (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/instance) <heroes instantiate ideals — W. J. Bennett>
— in·stan·ti·a·tion \-ˌstan(t)-shē-ˈā-shən\ noun

Cyril
07-11-2009, 06:30 PM
Instantiate makes me think of object oriented programming...

When you form concrete out of abstraction, the process is called instantiation.

Example:
Your school teacher gives you a guideline on becoming a pimp. You use that guideline and go on to become a pimp. Then that means you instantiated the guideline and made a pimp out of it. :)

I am not a programmer so I do not know anything about object oriented programming. May be X can shine some light on that. He I think is a Software Engineer.

xdamage
07-11-2009, 06:35 PM
I am not a programmer so I do not know anything about object oriented programming. May be X can shine some light on that. He I think is a Software Engineer.

haha... in object oriented programming you have these abstract things called classes which have (gods forget it, explaining methods, data, etc, would take forever)... anyway you instantiate instances of classes, aka "objects", which are concrete instances of classes (well sort of, except of course not really since they are just virtual, bits of data and code fragments in the computer)...

-1 geek points awarded for you Cyril ;D

Cyril
07-11-2009, 06:42 PM
haha... in object oriented programming you have these abstract things called classes which have (gods forget it, explaining methods, data, etc, would take forever)... anyway you instantiate instances of classes, aka "objects", which are concrete instances of classes (well sort of, except of course not really since they are just virtual, bits of data and code fragments in the computer)...

-1 geek points awarded for you Cyril ;D

So, basically you have design to create the bits and pieces (the instance) in side those classes?

Sort of like the pimp example I gave above? :)

I may not get the geek point but I must say my example was much more entertaining. :)

xdamage
07-11-2009, 06:45 PM
^^^ it is close enough, hence the reason the programming community selected the word instantiate. Classes are essentially blueprints for objects. The blueprint is how a concrete thing should look/behave like. The object is a concrete instance of what is defined by the blueprint. So sort of like your pimp example... though...

you don't realize your use of an example revolving around a pimp will further add to why they dancers are pissed off at you? clue-pills recommended bro

Bob_Loblaw
07-11-2009, 06:57 PM
...is this thread titled "what makes an off topic thread a bad one"?
Boy, this thread got off the tracks quickly.
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xdamage
07-11-2009, 06:59 PM
Boy, this thread got off the tracks quickly.
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/BobLoblaw61191946/derailed.gif

boredom ...

the train is pretty cool though, +1 honorary geek points awarded

princessjas
07-11-2009, 07:03 PM
^^^ it is close enough, hence the reason the programming community selected the word instantiate. Classes are essentially blueprints for objects. The blueprint is how a concrete thing should look/behave like. The object is a concrete instance of what is defined by the blueprint. So sort of like your pimp example... though...

you don't realize your use of an example revolving around a pimp will further add to why they dancers are pissed off at you? clue-pills recommended bro

:yes: YESSS!! I was restraining myself...trying to behave like a lady and all.. ;D

WTF is up with taking EVERY damn opportunity to offend us or be rude/thoughtless though? No one can possibly be that damn clueless! I'm just not buying it!

mediocrity
07-11-2009, 07:07 PM
Your personality does not change just because you get on the internet. You are still the same person. Only difference is that in real life you tend to be more respectful for some reason.

True and false. I think people are more uninhibited on the internet due to a cloak of anonyminity. But I also think people dig at other people for a rise, which is NOT a part of their internet persona. You are certainly guilty of digging at people. People also sometimes choose to manifest an online persona which is not even vaguely reminiscent of how they are in real life.


Lack of patience coupled with dissatisfaction with one or more things in your life results in sustained irritation or what some people call "bitchiness".
Cyril, we get irritated because we feel like we have to hold your hand and take you step by step through a point, multiple times, in multiple manners, and you still either do not get the point, or miss the point on purpose. I would get pissed at ANYONE who did that to me repeatedly. Honestly, if I knew someone like that in real life, I wouldn't associate with them, as they would drive me to madness and possibly drink.


She is not the only one who seems unhappy. You too are unhappy with your profession and considering to move on as I recall from our conversation in the chat room yesterday.
I would hardly call it a "conversation" as you commented on a remark I made to someone else, and I replied back to you in a polite manner, to which you were very patronising. The only reason I haven't moved on is there are no jobs in LV and I have gone through every avenue. Not that it is any of your beeswax.


It is perfectly normal that you may reach a stage in your life where you no longer are satisfied with your current career and you would like to consider a career change. This is a very healthy approach because if you ignore your inner yearnings for too long, you will no longer be a happy person.
Dancing for me was never a "career". It is a job I work as a stepping stone to my desired profession, which, as every know, takes a minimum of eight years of schooling. I HAVE NO DISRESPECT for girls who consider dancing their career and passion in life. My point being, normally the ones who are dissatisfied are the ones who view it as a pain in the ass step to get to the desired point. Jay and I both are pursuing graduate studies, and I can't speak for her, but I am fanatically impatient to get to my end goal.


I am not making all this up. These are simple facts that can be validated by our own respective observations.

They are assumptions and interpretations. The sun is a star: that is a FACT. Jay is "bitchy: that is an interpretation.

Also, "smart PL"? Really? You know it stands for Pathetic Loser? And I would not refer to 90% of my customer base as thus. But it is kind of a funny oxymoron.

JayATee
07-11-2009, 07:09 PM
YESSS!! I was restraining myself...trying to behave like a lady and all..



WTF is up with taking EVERY damn opportunity to offend us or be rude/thoughtless though? No one can possibly be that damn clueless! I'm just not buying it!




^ I dont believe he is that stupid. I believe he behaves this way on purpose because it gets him off. Including denying it all which then continues it further.

If he was truly this dumb, he wouldn't be able to tie his shoes in the morning, or figure out how to even log on to this site, let alone read and respond to posts.

mediocrity
07-11-2009, 07:13 PM
Suit yourself. I think that you are taking that "bitch" thing way too personally.

When someone takes something personally that was not really directed at him/her then that is a sign that the point that was being made resonated true for that person.

Oh come on, dude. Anyone who gets insulted gets upset. Maybe not as avidly online as in real life, but how would you like it if I walked up to you at a party after hearing you speak for awhile and said by my perception, you're a pretentious fucking assface? You don't call women bitches. You just don't.

Hopper
07-11-2009, 07:13 PM
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BTW, english major, it's cyril and me. You don't say "she's ignoring I" do you? No. You say "she's ignoring me". Don't you dare comment on my spelling or grammar in any thread EVER again until you learn the language yourself.

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You are right, but when I corrected you I was polite about it and it was not intended snarkily. I was entitled because at the time you were repreatedly criticising my comprehension skills when my mistake was that I missed the name on someone's quote or didnt realise it was her pic. The whole issue was minor and you and others made a Federal case of it.

You started this particular shit-fight with your accusatory "What?" comment above. Try this: Ask someone what they mean before you attack them over it.

JayATee
07-11-2009, 07:14 PM
You are right, but when I corrected you I was polite about it and it was not intended snarkily.

LoL!!!! Yeah. Totally polite. ::)


Oh come on, dude. Anyone who gets insulted gets upset. Maybe not as avidly online as in real life, but how would you like it if I walked up to you at a party after hearing you speak for awhile and said by my perception, you're a pretentious fucking assface? You don't call women bitches. You just don't.

He wasn't referring to women. ;) ;)

Hopper
07-11-2009, 07:19 PM
Is that attacking me? I was just making a general statement about people. I don't know why you are getting upset with me...

Because if true it would apply to Cyril obviously. I think it is the people who don't understand are stupid. In this case people are not trying, so it is stupidity and malice. Some customers are just bending over backwards to "cater to dancers".

Hopper
07-11-2009, 07:28 PM
I wish you would all sort this thing with Cyril out somewhere else. It keeps taking over threads.

princessjas
07-11-2009, 07:30 PM
Because if true it would apply to Cyril obviously. I think it is the people who don't understand are stupid. In this case people are not trying, so it is stupidity and malice. Some customers are just bending over backwards to "cater to dancers".

It is a forum for dancer support!!! >:(

princessjas
07-11-2009, 07:32 PM
Is that attacking me? I was just making a general statement about people. I don't know why you are getting upset with me...

:rotfl:I like you!!

See guys...I don't hate ALL the new guys. Just the retarded ones! :P

JayATee
07-11-2009, 07:44 PM
I wish you would all sort this thing with Cyril out somewhere else. It keeps taking over threads.

Stop trying to defend him and it will stop having anything to do with you at all. Someone who repeatedly insults us (insinuated or directly) isn't going to do well here. Especially after he's been told and insists on repeating the behavior.

vmurphy252
07-11-2009, 07:45 PM
:rotfl:I like you!!

See guys...I don't hate ALL the new guys. Just the retarded ones! :P
I suspect this will provoke an attack on me as a dancer sympathizer. No one saw the cleverness of my checkmate with my comments.

princessjas
07-11-2009, 07:50 PM
^^Well, I hope you don't get attacked...but I must say, guys who aren't supportive of dancers don't belong here.

I realize it is a controversial profession and completely understand that some people cannot view dancers as equals or show us respect. I just wish those men (and women) were not allowed to remain here!

Bob_Loblaw
07-11-2009, 07:51 PM
I suspect this will provoke an attack on me as a dancer sympathizer.
Oh man, you're so screwed now! j/k
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/BobLoblaw61191946/roasted.gif

vmurphy252
07-11-2009, 07:53 PM
Ok, everyone's right, this is way off topic. I will cease my contributions to that process...

princessjas
07-11-2009, 08:05 PM
k, you guys are right...WAYYYY off topic, which used to be one of my biggest pet-peeves...so I'll contribute to the spirit of the thread.

A good club, keeps the girls happy. Happy dancers=happy custies. It also keeps custies happy. (It goes both ways.) LD rooms that aren't super obviously monitored...you don't want a giant bouncer standing staring at you! haha

Cover is a must, reasonable drink prices...and reasonable ladies drinks if there is a quota. If there is no quota, then go ahead and charge out the ass if you like (my first and fav club did this, I got half of a $10 drink, but had no quota...I usually sold 15-25 a night.)

Staff must treat the dancers well, keep them safe and happy!!

I'll think of more tomorrow! haha Looking at Joss Stones legs as she covers Joplin atm! lol

Perry
07-11-2009, 08:35 PM
I have a feeling that at least one of the posters here is actually a sock puppet account.

Cyril
07-11-2009, 09:19 PM
I think part of the problem is that there are so many new girls entering into the industry every day that don't know any better-- me being one of them-- that it's easy for clubs to take advantage of their dancers. When the dancer does realize she's being taken advantage of and stands up for herself-- or a large group of dancers do-- there are 20 new, younger girls happy to take the job for her. And while younger definitely does not equal more money for the dancer (more experience = more money IMO) club owners love young girls because they can take advantage of them without them realizing it, and many guys like them for the same reason.

It's very difficult to gauge if you're making a good profit when you begin because everyone lies about how much they make. Girls told me "oh $400 is a bad night..." when I started at my club and there's no way that is a BAD night. I also know that since I'm a very new dancer I'm not going to make the money I will in a year or two. Unlike in a "normal" job you can't check the salaries of a an accountant living in Chicago or a teacher in a public school in Seattle. And there are no laws about how much the club can take (at least, I don't think there are, could be wrong) or charge for a house fee. What California clubs seem to do is charge relatively low house fees ($20-25) but take huge cuts from the dances and expect you to tip out your support staff extremely well (after paying back to the house and tipping the five people $2 each for the dance, I make less than half). They all generally have the same house fee, but their cuts from the dances and expected tips differ. When I read about girls house fees outside of LA they're often $85. But they aren't paying as large as a chunk from their dances and they aren't paying as large tips as I'm expected to pay.

However, since I've never danced in anywhere but LA this is all I know, and like I said it's difficult to tell if you're being taken advantage of because there are no set rules (no mimumum wage!) and the information as to what I would make at a different club is NOT out there because there is no even split between the dancers, obviously. Information on fees is not accesible on the internet either. Girls often tell me "you have no idea how much it sucks out here, LA is the worst city to dance in" and no, I don't have any idea, I really don't know how much girls end up paying out or making at clubs on the East coast or in the midwest or even in Vegas so I really don't know how much or if I'm REALLY being taken advantage. Nor do I have any idea what it would have been like to not dance in a recession. :P

And I am one of what seems to be the few dancers who did a lot of research on clubs and the industry in general before beginning.. most new girls, or even girls that have been dancing a few months longer than me, are completely clueless about even the basics.

Unions are successful for those professionals who perceive themselves as victim. If that perception is lacking then it will be difficult to build a union. It seems like strippers across the country are not on the same wavelength. As such, some seem to like the current system and perhaps will not be willing to join the union if one existed.

But if there were a strippers' union something like teamster, it will be very hard for club owners to mistreat strippers.

Cyril
07-11-2009, 09:28 PM
^^Well, I hope you don't get attacked...but I must say, guys who aren't supportive of dancers don't belong here.

I realize it is a controversial profession and completely understand that some people cannot view dancers as equals or show us respect. I just wish those men (and women) were not allowed to remain here!

In that case, I deserve to be on this forum because "I love strippers". I support strippers in every which way I can. If you ladies need anything that is within my capacity, I will be more than happy to oblige. I have never knowingly insulted anyone. I have displayed tremendous restraint in the face of constant unwarranted provocations not just by couple of strippers but also by couple of PLs.

I like each one of you very much. And, I wish you all well. I really liked you in the chat yesterday. I got to learn few things about you and it was nice.

Hopper
07-11-2009, 09:32 PM
I have a feeling that at least one of the posters here is actually a sock puppet account.

vmurphy?

Cyril
07-11-2009, 09:34 PM
^ I dont believe he is that stupid. I believe he behaves this way on purpose because it gets him off. Including denying it all which then continues it further.

If he was truly this dumb, he wouldn't be able to tie his shoes in the morning, or figure out how to even log on to this site, let alone read and respond to posts.

I never claimed to be stupid. That attribute was bestowed upon me by thee. So, you want to take that back?

Cyril
07-11-2009, 09:35 PM
vmurphy?

You have my vote of confidence. :)

Cyril
07-11-2009, 09:40 PM
Stop trying to defend him and it will stop having anything to do with you at all. Someone who repeatedly insults us (insinuated or directly) isn't going to do well here. Especially after he's been told and insists on repeating the behavior.

He is not defending me. He is defending the institution of fair play.

charlie61
07-11-2009, 09:46 PM
Let's try to keep this thread on track.

Ladies and gents--if someone says something stupid/annoying/vaguely insulting, please just ignore it and/or report it to a mod: WE will decide if such posts are worth of deletion/editing/etc.

It takes maturity to be able to ignore some of the baiting comments on this site. And it's so pointless to encourage these back-and-forth, never-ending, thread-jacking conversations by participating in them. Clogs up threads and generally pisses everyone off.

So again...just ignore and report. Please. Thank you.

*To further clarify, 99% of people reading these threads don't care who's "right" and "wrong" in these little fights y'all have. They're just annoying to sift through for the helpful information lying underneath. It makes us all seem catty.

So if someone says something you don't like (and feel as if it's out of line), REPORT IT. Don't try to "handle" it on your own. All you'll do is clog up the thread and piss people off!

Cyril
07-11-2009, 09:46 PM
He wasn't referring to women. ;) ;)

I think you know who I was referring to.

Cyril
07-11-2009, 09:47 PM
Charlie,

I am out of this thread for now.

Peace!

dreamer1980
07-12-2009, 01:27 PM
Not having a drink quota for the girls. This is STUPID and honestly costs the club more money than it makes them. I hate coming to work with the stress of "I have to sell $x worth of non alcoholic overpriced drinks or I'm going to have to pay at the end of the night." I spend a good amount of time making sure I sell those drinks, and that is not what my job is, nor am I making money from them anyway.

I know customers get super pissed at the waitresses for the "want to buy the lady a drink?" line but this is what we tip them at the end of the night for-- to help sell our drinks so we don't have to pay out of pocket. However, this frequently costs me tips and dances (which the club then loses out on). I've had guys get so angry at the waitress that they get angry at me, and it ruins any kind of hustle you had going. There's nothing more awkward than a customer looking super pissed off when he's asked to buy the girl a drink and doesn't want to look cheap so he asks me, with gritted teeth, "do you want one?" and I have to say yes, because I'm not allowed to turn down drinks. And guys frequently don't tip or refuse to tip after buying a drink (and I don't blame them, I wouldn't pay $20 for a drink!) which is unfair to the dancer who did not make any $ from the drink.

I personally would not like to work in a place that sells food. I don't really like eating while I'm working (I eat when I get home, a few hours before) and I have a lot of food restrictions I wouldn't want to explain to customers (vegetarian and lactose intolerant-- though I'm not I can see some sensitive custy taking it as preachy, and the second is just not very sexy).

Also, I am sure that the club would then have a rule about having to sell a certain amount of food. The bottom line is, whether I am money hungry or not, I am there to work and make money for ME. I would rather MAKE money doing dances or stage sets and not be bought food and drinks in place of dances and tips. I can bring a water bottle or Rockstar and order take out or bring a sandwich to work. If the customers want to enjoy drinks and food that's cool, but I really don't like them spending money on these things for me in place of spending money on ME becauese I do not need these things or really want them, and that money is just going back to the club who is taking 30-50% of my money already. I really don't want to lose MORE to them.

/end rant

preach it sista :great:!

id much rather buy another dance or tip you than have to be hustled for a drink. i have heard the DejaVu in Industry even has a waitress drink hustle :O. they are forced to come around and ask you "would you like to buy me a drink". tasteless >:(.