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Cyril
07-13-2009, 10:05 PM
Now that the dust has settled, I would say happy strippers make a strip club good one.

So, the million dollar question is what can we do to make strippers happy?

WiseGuy_TX
07-13-2009, 10:15 PM
So, the million dollar question is what can we do to make strippers happy?...give em a million dollars? just saying....

Cyril
07-13-2009, 10:23 PM
I think until strippers across the country start to think and act like a unified force, club owners across the country will continue to take advantage of them. This seems like a recipe for the making of a miserable stripper. And, miserable (or unhappy) strippers cannot make "million dollar".

JayATee
07-13-2009, 10:24 PM
I think until strippers across the country start to think and act like a unified force, club owners across the country will continue to take advantage of them. This seems like a recipe for the making of a miserable stripper. And, miserable (or unhappy) strippers cannot make "million dollar".

Think and act like a unified force how exactly? Are you talking about stripper unions or something??

Cyril
07-13-2009, 10:27 PM
Think and act like a unified force how exactly? Are you talking about stripper unions or something??

Yes, I was thinking about strippers union.

JayATee
07-13-2009, 10:33 PM
Yes, I was thinking about strippers union.

Do a search. It's been discussed here a lot, and won't work.

Bob_Loblaw
07-13-2009, 10:35 PM
So, the million dollar question is what can we do to make strippers happy?
What customers can do within the club to make dancers happy is pretty obvious (e.g., spend generously, behave respectfully, dress appropriately and pay attention to personal hygiene, etc.).

What customers can do on a stripper friendly forum to make dancers happy should be pretty obvious as well (e.g., avoiding making blanket statements that may annoy or offend the target audience of the internet community).

Going back to the OP, the question is what can the CLUB do to make both parties happy?

Cyril, stripper unions aren't a new idea. If I recall correctly, I think there are some unionized clubs in California? In any case, while it may address some issues, it creates a whole batch of new ones. A union is not the answer.

toddq138
07-14-2009, 01:44 AM
Geesh someone was complaining about a $10 atm fee. I once went to an atm that charged 10%, so taking out $500 they wanted a $50 fee. That's when I woke up to reality and just said forget it. I'm not going to pay a $50 fee...

I hate it when a club plays the clean/edited versions of a song. Also it is very annoying when they cut the song at the 2 minute mark instead of playing the entire song or at least most of it. We are already paying a huge premium on private dances. The dances are almost pure profit so why bother pissing off customers by cutting the last 2 minutes out of the song.

I heard that they do this so everyone is treated fairly. Customers started tipping the DJ to play long songs for them when they went back for a dance...so the club made a rule that all songs get cut at 2 minutes. I tell myself to never buy dances from there again (although I did change my mind when I say a perfect 10 dancing there!).

audrey_k
07-14-2009, 04:46 AM
Dances at all clubs here are 2-3 minutes. That's the length of a lap dance. So they cut the songs.

I don't understand why you would expect them to just double the length of a lap dance for free....

audrey_k
07-14-2009, 04:49 AM
preach it sista :great:!

id much rather buy another dance or tip you than have to be hustled for a drink. i have heard the DejaVu in Industry even has a waitress drink hustle :O. they are forced to come around and ask you "would you like to buy me a drink". tasteless >:(.

The waitresses are asking people to buy them drinks???

"Would you like to buy me a drink? I can even pour it for myself..."

This is a sad sad world we are living in.

princessjas
07-14-2009, 08:03 AM
Dances at all clubs here are 2-3 minutes. That's the length of a lap dance. So they cut the songs.

I don't understand why you would expect them to just double the length of a lap dance for free....

I'm suprised that cutting songs is that common. I've never worked at a club that cut songs except those that are crazy long (Freebird, Stairway, can't think of any recent ones) or have talking and stuff at the end. I don't think I'd like it though...why annoy the customers to save a minute of my time? Besides, I actually used to get tipped quite a bit extra by a few of my regs if I got my DJ to play longer stuff, so it worked out well for me anyway. I'll dance an extra min or two for an extra $10-$20. ;)

minnow
07-14-2009, 08:41 AM
I'm suprised that cutting songs is that common. I've never worked at a club that cut songs except those that are crazy long (Freebird, Stairway, can't think of any recent ones) or have talking and stuff at the end. I don't think I'd like it though...why annoy the customers to save a minute of my time? Besides, I actually used to get tipped quite a bit extra by a few of my regs if I got my DJ to play longer stuff, so it worked out well for me anyway. I'll dance an extra min or two for an extra $10-$20. ;)
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pj- Song cutting is epidemic amoung certain corporate chain clubs (DV, & SR), plus many clubs in Los Angeles area. Idea being to squeeze an extra dance out of customer per 10 minute time frame ( 4 dances vs normal 3 dances). With internet review sites, customers are seeing right through this "hustle", and are either avoiding the offending clubs, or "managing money/ dancer selection" in offending areas, saving big splurge for the non- cutters.

commanderadama
07-14-2009, 09:46 AM
Do a search. It's been discussed here a lot, and won't work.

What about putting them under waitress wage laws? BTW what do you do for Health care/Insurance?

JayATee
07-14-2009, 12:43 PM
What about putting them under waitress wage laws? BTW what do you do for Health care/Insurance?

Like I said, do a search. This has been discussed a lot. It would solve some problems and bring on a whole slew of others. I don't want to threadjack again though.

The Boob
07-14-2009, 01:08 PM
Okay someone said no hats.
if you're going to take away my hat this will force me to convert to Judaism so I can wear the [yawl-muh-kuh] into the stripclub, because under no circumstances will I reveal my baldness to the naked people. No can do. the moment strippers see that you're bald, they know you have a motive for being at the nudie bar. And I swore I would always do my best to remain an enigma.

So what seems to work best for me is when hats are allowed until 7PM and then strict anti-hat enforcement goes into effect at 7:01. "Excuse me, sir, you're going to have to remove your hat. We have a no hats policy, which started..........just now."


Also, has anyone answered by saying "rampaging tits" yet?

JayATee
07-14-2009, 01:12 PM
^I don't know that a yarmulke would help. They're fairly small. ;)

vmurphy252
07-14-2009, 01:14 PM
Okay someone said no hats.
if you're going to take away my hat this will force me to convert to Judaism so I can wear the [yawl-muh-kuh] into the stripclub, because under no circumstances will I reveal my baldness to the naked people. No can do.

Umm, unless you've got a hat with a convincing wig attached, I think they know... ;)

ScarletPhoenix
07-14-2009, 02:06 PM
Here's what I think makes a good strip club . . .

This is mixed from the perspective of a dancer and a customer:

- defined rules on scheduling, house fees, tip-outs, other fees, etc., clearly posted in the dressing room, that apply equally to ALL dancers.

- enough lockers for all the dancers. It sucks having to leave my suitcase in the middle of the dressing room

- a nice, clean dressing room with ample counter space and good lighting. How do you expect me to do my make up under florescent lamps, perching my eyeshadow palette on a sink?! Obviously, full length mirrors are a must as well.

- Find a DJ who knows that he's not the main attraction, but still puts effort into his job. At the last club I worked at, our weekday DJ would just throw on a song, announce the girl once, and then walk around the club with his remote mic in his pocket, bullshitting with other staff members. He did NOTHING with the lights. He did NOTHING to encourage tippers. He didn't even cut the songs. He'd just let song 1 end and song 2 start up on windows media player. He was terrible with requests, too. I'd ask for "my" song, and he'd play it for a girl three spots down the roster from me. He infuriated me to no end.

Yeah, a DJ should be second fiddle to the dancer on stage, but I like the audience to be reminded what my name is between songs. I dunno, maybe play with the lighting a bit? Create a little interest? If there's customers, but they seem a little shy, why not encourage them to take a closer look?

- Keep the music energetic. Especially when it's busy.

- DON'T DO FREEBIES. They make a club seem desperate. It's better to keep your prices reasonable at all times. THAT is what makes for good business.

- I once worked at a club that charged customers an extra $10 dollars/head for a stage-side seat. The customer received a wristband that was good for any stage-side table. Of course, everyone is allowed to walk up to the stage and tip, but the "VIP tables" helped keep cheapos from parking at the tip rail and gawking for hours for free. I personally liked this set-up a lot.

- If you're going to price the VIP rooms like they're something amazing, make them special. Not just a little dance area off the main part of the floor, mmkay? Not for hundreds of dollars. Make them pretty. Nice furniture. Their own bar. Their own music. Whatever it takes.

- Food is good. Go heavy on protein. Seafood, steaks, burgers, wings, and salads. Add in some typical fried finger food, and you're set. Nix pasta. It's sleep-inducing. Fruit and cheese platters seem to go over well!

- Parties and theme nights are fun.

- Management should be respectful of the dancers, but should also fire girls who get caught stealing, flagrantly doing/dealing drugs, prostituting, and other illegal crap. They should also fire girls who repeatedly start fights or repeatedly get sloppy, nasty, barfy drunk. I've worked too many places that keep trashy girls around just to get another housefee/tip-out at the end of the night. It TOTALLY SUCKS to work around those kinds of girls, and the customers don't like being in a club full of garbage either.

That's all I can think of right now

xdamage
07-14-2009, 05:37 PM
Yes, I was thinking about strippers union.

Yea, it has been discussed multiple times. At the end the conclusion is always the same. There are dozens if not hundreds of side-effects nobody wants. In complex systems there are almost always trade-offs, you get something, you lose something. Also go read the threads on employee vs independent contractor status and you'll see another debate that has been repeated multiple times, with again, the same realizations that there would be trade-offs, no obvious win.

Cyril
07-14-2009, 06:42 PM
Regarding Strippers Union:

I went over some of the highlights of the past discussion on this issue. I think I can architect a solution for pretty much all the problems except one; how are you going to get away with discriminating against the girls that are "not pretty" in the eyes of the hiring managers? This will definitely bring some serious lawsuits from "not so pretty" girls. I have no answer for this. Does anyone know a work around this problem?

JayATee
07-14-2009, 06:53 PM
Regarding Strippers Union:

I went over some of the highlights of the past discussion on this issue. I think I can architect a solution for pretty much all the problems except one; how are you going to get away with discriminating against the girls that are "not pretty" in the eyes of the hiring managers? This will definitely bring some serious lawsuits from "not so pretty" girls. I have no answer for this. Does anyone know a work around this problem?

Whatever plans you think you've devised, Im sure someone at some point thought of the same things. The reason this business works, is because of how it's run.

To someone who is not in the business, who admittedly doesn't even frequent the clubs, you can't tell me that by reading a few threads you understand and know how to fix ALL the problems.

Besides that, this is a HUGE threadjack.

Cyril
07-14-2009, 07:02 PM
Whatever plans you think you've devised, Im sure someone at some point thought of the same things. The reason this business works, is because of how it's run.

To someone who is not in the business, who admittedly doesn't even frequent the clubs, you can't tell me that by reading a few threads you understand and know how to fix ALL the problems.

Besides that, this is a HUGE threadjack.

Actually, this seems to be a place where the most informed dancers and customers gather, so it is not hard to learn the ins and outs of this business just by reading this forum.

Since, we are still sort of talking about what makes a strip club great, we are still on topic.

JayATee
07-14-2009, 07:21 PM
Actually, this seems to be a place where the most informed dancers and customers gather, so it is not hard to learn the ins and outs of this business just by reading this forum.

Since, we are still sort of talking about what makes a strip club great, we are still on topic.

I agree that there are a lot of informed ppl here. However, you are not one of those informed ppl. Until you've worked in a SC you really don't have a clue. I don't care how much research or how often you've been to one (which in your case is close to never).

femmefatale88
07-14-2009, 09:17 PM
Not having a drink quota for the girls. This is STUPID and honestly costs the club more money than it makes them. I hate coming to work with the stress of "I have to sell $x worth of non alcoholic overpriced drinks or I'm going to have to pay at the end of the night." I spend a good amount of time making sure I sell those drinks, and that is not what my job is, nor am I making money from them anyway.

I know customers get super pissed at the waitresses for the "want to buy the lady a drink?" line but this is what we tip them at the end of the night for-- to help sell our drinks so we don't have to pay out of pocket. However, this frequently costs me tips and dances (which the club then loses out on). I've had guys get so angry at the waitress that they get angry at me, and it ruins any kind of hustle you had going. There's nothing more awkward than a customer looking super pissed off when he's asked to buy the girl a drink and doesn't want to look cheap so he asks me, with gritted teeth, "do you want one?" and I have to say yes, because I'm not allowed to turn down drinks. And guys frequently don't tip or refuse to tip after buying a drink (and I don't blame them, I wouldn't pay $20 for a drink!) which is unfair to the dancer who did not make any $ from the drink.

I personally would not like to work in a place that sells food. I don't really like eating while I'm working (I eat when I get home, a few hours before) and I have a lot of food restrictions I wouldn't want to explain to customers (vegetarian and lactose intolerant-- though I'm not I can see some sensitive custy taking it as preachy, and the second is just not very sexy).

Also, I am sure that the club would then have a rule about having to sell a certain amount of food. The bottom line is, whether I am money hungry or not, I am there to work and make money for ME. I would rather MAKE money doing dances or stage sets and not be bought food and drinks in place of dances and tips. I can bring a water bottle or Rockstar and order take out or bring a sandwich to work. If the customers want to enjoy drinks and food that's cool, but I really don't like them spending money on these things for me in place of spending money on ME becauese I do not need these things or really want them, and that money is just going back to the club who is taking 30-50% of my money already. I really don't want to lose MORE to them.

/end rant


wow that is horrible, what club is this? i never heard of such a thing

audrey_k
07-15-2009, 06:32 AM
wow that is horrible, what club is this? i never heard of such a thing

half the clubs in so-cal

dreamer1980
07-15-2009, 05:31 PM
The waitresses are asking people to buy them drinks???

"Would you like to buy me a drink? I can even pour it for myself..."

This is a sad sad world we are living in.

i couldnt believe this scam either. who wants to buy the waitress a drink? thats just tasteless and worse than having to buy the dancer a drink. just another way for the club to make money ::).