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Naida
07-03-2009, 08:58 PM
To this day, sometimes I wonder if I'm not exaggerating the abuse, because it's very difficult to admit to being a victim...to me, it seems needy and attention-seeking, though that's probably some weird kind of conditioning. And it always looks very different when it's a statistic written down on paper.

I've always made the conscious effort to try and intervene whenever I see someone in an abusive situation. Even if it looks hopeless. I won't push if I see them resisting assistance, but I always try. Because I remember that no one ever tried to help me, and I don't know if it would have made a difference.

First, I want to say that you should NEVER call yourself a victim. Not because it's "needy and attention-seeking", but because you're NOT. The fact that you actually got up and left, no matter how long it took, makes you a SURVIVOR, and you should be proud of yourself.

I just want to say though that I am supportive. I do try to talk to and help people in this kind of situation. I've even helped girls pack and punched guys in the face when they tried to stop me from leaving with her. But you can only do so much for some one who isn't willing to help themself. I'm glad that you were one of those people who was willing to do so.

Jenna78
07-04-2009, 03:40 PM
Well, I worked at Hustler in Washington Park for about 3 years on and off. When I was making good money it was easy to put up with the bs and touching. It didn't bother me at all for the first year and a half.

Then there was all that smoking ban bs and the money just dropped. When you are not able to pay your bills and customers are trying to touch you all over and think they can suck your nipples it does not feel good. My personal life as well was in chaos at this time and my mental health was not good. I think it is important to have a good home life and good mental health in order to be able to put up with the bs at any job.

But the touching and constant disrespect of the customers did really get to me after awhile. I had to leave the industry although I do think about going back now that I feel healthy again. I do think that if I would have had good support and better mental health coping techniques at the time that I could have made it through and still be dancing with no ill effects. So its not the dancing that affects me but how I percieve and process it.

Ebony
07-05-2009, 09:55 AM
If a girl starts as a teen and works for years in an extremely high-contact club, is it possible for her to remain a normal, well-adjusted person, mentally? I'm not trying to be a prick or a troll.

I have the serious question and looking for thoughtful answers from some who have been there. I've thought about it a lot and I don't know how a young girl could spend years essentially getting voluntarily molested by strange men for $25 a pop, seeing many of them cum in their pants or pull out their dicks or grab the kitty or all of the above, and come out of it without at least some significant psychological issues.

Serious thoughts?

I worked in a medium/high contact nude club when I first started dancing. I lasted about 3 months because I couldn't take the contact levels or the crazy disrespecful clientele. 18 year old girls could work there because they didn't sell liquor. I saw many fresh face naive girls who just turned 18 start working there. They were literally sheep in the lions den. I met up with a couple of them recently since they have now moved on to NYC clubs they are all damaged goods.

No real relationships with men, drug addicted, mental problem, unstable. It was really sad. They all don't trust men and hate men. They only use men for what they can get. All they talk about is money and what they can get from this or that guy. While I am happily married have a good job and consider myself well adjusted. I definitly think it's because I didnt stay in that toxic environment. I went to low contact gogo bars and kept my sanity.

Gia2608
07-05-2009, 10:04 AM
I don't know that they turned to drugs because of dancing, etc. People who do drugs are either mentally weak and get persuaded (peer pressure) or bored and experiment (college kids). If they use drugs to mask mental pain then they proabbly have an addictive personality and it may not have much to do with working in clubs. Just my op.

MissMynxx
07-06-2009, 02:48 PM
It took me a little while to get up the brass ones to reply to this - mostly because I was horribly offended by the idea of the thread. lol I'm calmer now. ;D

For me personally, working in a high-contact club hasn't affected me in the slightest. What problems I do have come from things that happened in childhood/early teen years - I did the whole drug thing (have weeks in my memory that are just blank, but I've been clean for years), I was molested/raped, blah blah blah. I just sorta cowgirled up and dealt with it. I'm by no means what a therapist would call well-adjusted, but I'm a functional adult member of society.

That being said - working in a high contact environment where extras are flying all over the place didn't bother me a bit. I have no problem accepting some extra money for a hand here or there, and I'll freely admit to having a price (albeit a high one) for things that are ... much more illegal in nature. It just doesn't faze me.

I met my fiance ITC, and gave him a dance - the same dance I give everyone else. Sometimes, I still give him dances. It's the same thing I do for everyone else (unless, of course, we're in the bedroom in which case ... }:D) and I have no problem separating home from club. I was sort of creeped out the first time I danced at a shitty dive bar that was a front for prostitution; but I again just cowgirled up and switched clubs until I found someplace I could do well at.

I've never experienced the "boyfriend sliding his hand up my skirt the first time we make out and me freaking out because I forget he's not a custie" or the "general distrust of men" based on how I'm treated in a club - as I said before, any issues I do have were before I started dancing, and frankly - those were SO MUCH WORSE that a high-contact and very sexual environment is a complete shrug-off to me.

It takes, IMO, a very specific kind of person to be able to function in that kind of environment. A friend of mine and I, ITC, definitely have that mentality. I know several girls that feel dirty, used, and generally disgusted. It's not that they're wrong, or they aren't as mentally strong; and it's not that girls like my friend and I are immoral for not caring, or hiding our true feelings about it and are going to have a mental breakdown in 5 years over it (which we've BOTH been accused of multiple times - it gets old, and I get PISSED.). It's just life. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. The saying holds true.

audrey_k
07-09-2009, 08:11 AM
I really think that is due to to feeling out of control at work sometimes. Guy makes a disgusting comment and touches me, I have to smile and deal with it. So all of the anger I feel about contact dancing builds up, til someone says something to me in real life and I lose my shit on them.



I agree with this. I'm not one to punch a customer in the face or scream at him if he tries something, I just move their hand away and if they try it a second time (which they rarely do) I will tell them that they cannot do (nicely). If they do it a third time I get up and leave. Guys do not pay upfront at my club and they pay the dancer, not the house. So if it is already halfway through the dance I would prefer not to piss him off and lose the money for it and get charged for the dance (and I am on my guard for them trying anything funny, they do not get a chance to do much). However that anger comes out in different ways. I get extremely angry at guys who cut me off or piss me off in some other way when I'm driving, to the point where I will scream at them (which I never did before). When guys oogle me in public I get pissed and if they make comments I will tell them off like no other. I am also extremely protective of my $. I will spend it on some unneccesary luxury items, but if a homeless person is asking me for $ or a sales clerk tries to charge me some hidden fees or really anyone tries to get me to give them or spend more $ than I have decided... you do not want to be that person.

The first few nights I worked I cried, partly because I felt gross and partly because I felt gross for doing what I had and making what seemed like little money.I have worked at clubs where you make $12 for a nude high contact dance and I could not do it, it disgusted me. But at my club that charges $40 I have gotten used to it now and it doesn't really bother me. Wanting and needing to make the $ has pushed me past some of my comfort levels. When I first started I prayed that every guy would want a topless dance, now I try and push them into nude because I want that extra $10 per dance. My ex and I were talking a little while ago and he asked me how I give dances and I told him "I just pretend I'm having sex with them" which led to the "and you're OK with that?" Now I see it as a business transaction and don't feel used or gross. I have my boundaries and I don't let guys go past them. It's a job and I make $ and support myself. I don't see it as me being used, I see it as me getting as much money as possible while still being a dancer and not a prositute out of male clients.

However, I feel so bombarded by sex in my job I have no great interest to cease being single at the moment unless I were to meet someone I really liked. But I don't know how girls work at the club and then go home to sleep with their husbands. While it has increased my disgust in men it is only in some men. Sometimes I do think "how am I going to get married and have kids when I hate men so much?" But on the flip side it has increased my appreciation of "nice guys" and helped me; I spend my work day spotting bullshit and fakers and time wasters and figuring out who's lying. I find I can spot the same assholes who I might have been pulled in by a mile away.

bem401
07-09-2009, 08:49 AM
I don't think it's specifically the high contact as it is just dealing in general with the high percentage of imbeciles and perverts they face. I have friends who are very low contact girls ( by RI standards) but struggle with the job day in and day out or have left the business altogether as a result of what they are put through.

Otoki
07-11-2009, 01:09 AM
I don't think it's specifically the high contact as it is just dealing in general with the high percentage of imbeciles and perverts they face. I have friends who are very low contact girls ( by RI standards) but struggle with the job day in and day out or have left the business altogether as a result of what they are put through.
I think it really comes down to an intersection of two variables:
The dancer's tolerance for contact, insults, and general bullshit.

AND

The amount of contact, insults and general bullshit she has to deal with in her club.

BuxomBeauty
07-11-2009, 02:37 AM
I think the problems come when people participate in activities outside their own personal comfort levels. However it's justified, doing things you're not truly comfortable with is going to have a negative effect on your emotional health.

If people keep within their own limits, I don't see them suffering any measurable emotional problems from working in the sex industry.

The problem is, most people aren't completely self-aware or honest with themselves about what they are truly comfortable with. Many people will relax their boundaries for money, whether in the sex industry or not, and that is always going to cause problems.

So the answer is, some girls will have long-term emotional problems, and some will not. Those who aren't sure or who cross their personal boundaries for money will probably have issues later on. Those who operate within their personal comfort zones will be just fine no matter how long they work it :)

audrey_k
07-11-2009, 09:13 AM
I worked in a medium/high contact nude club when I first started dancing. I lasted about 3 months because I couldn't take the contact levels or the crazy disrespecful clientele. 18 year old girls could work there because they didn't sell liquor. I saw many fresh face naive girls who just turned 18 start working there. They were literally sheep in the lions den. I met up with a couple of them recently since they have now moved on to NYC clubs they are all damaged goods.



No real relationships with men, drug addicted, mental problem, unstable. It was really sad. They all don't trust men and hate men. They only use men for what they can get. All they talk about is money and what they can get from this or that guy. While I am happily married have a good job and consider myself well adjusted. I definitly think it's because I didnt stay in that toxic environment. I went to low contact gogo bars and kept my sanity.

While I disagree that high contact inevitably leads to what you described, the 21+ law is what I find ironic and a bit sickening. When I decided I wanted to dance I wanted to work in a bikini club. I couldn’t find any alcohol-free bikini clubs, obviously, and I’m not 21 yet. I then decided on topless but had the same problem. I went from wanting to work in a bikini club to doing full nude lap dances. [/FONT]

This 21+ law is ridiculous and I do not understand it. If it’s because whatever state board created it thinks <21 dancers can’t handle being around drunk custys—please, I think it’s a lot easier to handle a drunk custy than a touchy custy when you have no bottoms on and are in a dark room. And if its to stop the dancer from drinking, wouldn’t it be pretty simple to tell the waitress she can only serve her virgin drinks? What’s more dangerous to young girls… being completely nude in a dark room with a guy who probably just got drunk before he came to the club, or possibly getting served a rum and coke?

Otoki
07-13-2009, 11:55 AM
^^That's ridiculous. So the 18+ clubs were contact, while the alcohol ones weren't?

lmiller22134
07-20-2009, 03:31 AM
If a girl starts as a teen and works for years in an extremely high-contact club, is it possible for her to remain a normal, well-adjusted person, mentally? I'm not trying to be a prick or a troll.

I have the serious question and looking for thoughtful answers from some who have been there. I've thought about it a lot and I don't know how a young girl could spend years essentially getting voluntarily molested by strange men for $25 a pop, seeing many of them cum in their pants or pull out their dicks or grab the kitty or all of the above, and come out of it without at least some significant psychological issues.

Serious thoughts?

Of course there are no negative effects. If there were surely mileage hounds would not exist because making a girl go through all that would be just evil }:D
Women as a species enjoy being molested for 25 bucks or less and in fact should charge LESS for getting their kitties grabbed and making men cum in their pants. I mean 25 bucks is a hell of a lot more than they would be making at walmart which is the only other job they would be qualified for and they should therefore enjoy getting cum all over them for 25 bucks, I honestly dont know why these lazy strippers complain it


/end sarcastic rant

lmiller22134
07-20-2009, 03:41 AM
^^ yes i do. especially since our tip structure is based on the number of dances done. but i have seen a bouncer smash a guy against the wall and throw him out for molesting a low contact girl while at the same time he just nicely asked a guy to leave for refusing to pay me since he couldnt get sex during his dance.

the bouncers most likely are assuming you are okay with high contact and that is how you make your money and they dont want to interfere. I dont mean to be rude but in a way you set yourself up for that by being known as the high contact girl. A lot of high contact girls dont want the bouncers to scold the guys for doing extra stuff because they make their money doing extra stuff, so these bouncers think that by not calling out a customer doing something bad he is actually HELPING you make money.

lmiller22134
07-20-2009, 03:51 AM
I would like to give my opinion on this subject as well. I was refraining from it to avoid unpleasant exchanges. But that seems unavoidable so here are my thoughts on this issue.

Sex is a medium to express your intimate feeling towards someone special. When you start to use this medium to make money as in lap dances then it is bound to create complications for you. You will train yourself to feel nothing while doing sexual acts. This will become a permanent trait of your psyche.

Girls are not the only ones who are effected by it. PLs are also effected by it. It is hard for me to believe that a man who repeatedly subjects himself to a negative environment like those of a strip club, comes out a normal man. Based on the opinions of male members, it seems like men are repeatedly treated like trash in there. This kind of experience is bound to alter your views on women.

It seems like both men and women involved in this industry grow to hate opposite sex.

In defense of this business, I would say this; it requires a very unique person to do this job daily and still manage to be a normal person. Same goes for PLs; I do not think everyone is equipped to handle visiting strip clubs regularly. It takes a special kind of man to patronize strip clubs and still remain a normal human being.

I do not agree with this. Several mediums to express yourself are also jobs and no one ever talks about how damaging they are. Occasionally people will talk about how a musician loses his true passion when he sells out and starts doing it for the money but it does not have the same stigma as sex work at all. How come artists arent in danger of becoming messed up because they turned something intimate and special into something used to make money?

I think any damage that may come from stripping is purely psychological and a result of constant outside disapproval. We are told that sex is supposed to be "special" and therefore when its anything but special we are told it is wrong. We are told we are not supposed to have sex for money and that is the ONLy reason we feel guilt when we do it for any reason but "love." Selling sex in and of itself is not damaging. Selling sex in a society that says its damaging, is damaging. In my opinion, selling sex for less than 1k is damaging, but that is a completely different issue.

As for training yourself to feel nothing? I think "feelings" at least for women are more psychological than physical. You do not need to "train" yourself to feel nothing when a stranger grabs your boobs. The fact that you are not in love or lust with them is more than enough.

xdamage
07-20-2009, 08:16 AM
.... How come artists arent in danger of becoming messed up because they turned something intimate and special into something used to make money? ...

They are not quite equivalent.

In theory art is valuable because it is relatively speaking rare because "talent" means, something which is, well rare as compared with the norm. That is sort of a general truth about us humans. We measure the value of things relative to there rarity.

OTOH everyone has sex, and does so instinctively. Just as animals do it without schools or social training, so do people. And when I say everyone obviously there are exceptions, but that even includes the majority of the mentally ill and developmentally disabled. Sex is common.

But you have to look deeper. We humans created the social beliefs, not the other way around. I think there are two reasons why people have created beliefs about restricting sex.

1.) It is incredibly powerful asset, IF, it is treated as a valuable, a rare act. Both men and women have some vested interests in social beliefs that make it rarer, and thus more valuable. Conversely both resist social changes that make it more common, commercialized, which can mean it is seen as having less value, less tradeable. People do trade their assets. They can't help it. It's how life is, whether it is trading intellectual skills, physical, sexual, emotional support, and much more. We're constantly struggling with choices that increase/decrease our potential value to others.

2.) You have grown up at a freakish time in history. But had you grown up in the environment our genes were formed in, before people could hop in their cars and drive down to the convenience store and buy condoms with their bottled water, your views would be different. Grow up in a culture that does not have cheap sterile BC, pre DNA testing, pre-sterile abortions, and sex is incredibly risky, especially for women. I think societies repeatedly create social birth control, essentially fear, because frankly intellectual appeal barely works. Even today, people still have unprotected sex, and get pregnant, pass on diseases, knowing full well the risks. But when your dealing with your own teenage kids, see their hormones raging, knowing full well that intellectual appeal will fall on deaf ears, know the risks of unwanted pregnancy.. well people do what works, even using fear and instilling beliefs to try to prevent high-risk sex.

shameless
07-20-2009, 08:18 AM
I would like to give my opinion on this subject as well. I was refraining from it to avoid unpleasant exchanges. But that seems unavoidable so here are my thoughts on this issue.

Sex is a medium to express your intimate feeling towards someone special. When you start to use this medium to make money as in lap dances then it is bound to create complications for you. You will train yourself to feel nothing while doing sexual acts. This will become a permanent trait of your psyche.

Girls are not the only ones who are effected by it. PLs are also effected by it. It is hard for me to believe that a man who repeatedly subjects himself to a negative environment like those of a strip club, comes out a normal man. Based on the opinions of male members, it seems like men are repeatedly treated like trash in there. This kind of experience is bound to alter your views on women.

It seems like both men and women involved in this industry grow to hate opposite sex.

In defense of this business, I would say this; it requires a very unique person to do this job daily and still manage to be a normal person. Same goes for PLs; I do not think everyone is equipped to handle visiting strip clubs regularly. It takes a special kind of man to patronize strip clubs and still remain a normal human being.

I think you've got a very valid point - everything in moderation.
Speaking from a dancer's perspective (only worked in clubs where I do the touching, if any) I can def vouch for that the club regulars I've encountered have unfortunately a deeper void that regular visits to a strip club simply won't fill. Mind you I've never encountered a club where patrons, regular or otherwise, and treated like trash.
It sort of completely defeats the purpose and business model of a strip club.

Cyril
07-20-2009, 09:57 PM
Mind you I've never encountered a club where patrons, regular or otherwise, and treated like trash.
It sort of completely defeats the purpose and business model of a strip club.

I invite you to write a little post, it does not have to be a large one on the thread called "Project: Dream Girls". I am interested in learning how your management handles the rude behavior of a stripper. What are the guidelines in place as far as customer service is concerned?

Thanks in advance!

shameless
07-20-2009, 11:43 PM
I invite you to write a little post, it does not have to be a large one on the thread called "Project: Dream Girls". I am interested in learning how your management handles the rude behavior of a stripper. What are the guidelines in place as far as customer service is concerned?

Thanks in advance!

Whilst we're at it, where's the "Project: Dream Customer" thread, you know for the ones that don't try to touch you, don't waste your time, harass/insult/demeanour you. I actually think that verbal abuse is far more prevalent in low-contact clubs as guys as paying but not getting so to say. That said, I don't give customers attitude but I sure as hell don't take theirs, I very often go 'keep your money, and your attitude', which would perceive this as bad customer service as the customer is willing to buy but I'm not willing to sell under those circumstances.

Anyhow this thread has a far more meaningful point to make so I think we should leave it at that.

audrey_k
07-21-2009, 06:58 AM
^^That's ridiculous. So the 18+ clubs were contact, while the alcohol ones weren't?

I've never danced at an alcohol club but from what I hear it's mostly stage dancing.

The nude clubs are all lap dances (at least that's where you make the $$$) and I've yet to find one that does nude non contact dances.

papillonluvr
07-21-2009, 09:57 AM
I worked in a medium-contact club. Well, techniqually is should be low-contact, but pretty much it is a medium club.

I have no emotional or mental issues caused by dancing OTHER THAN thinking the majority of men are not to be trusted.

All the issues I have have been present for the past ten+ years.

A better question would be:

"How many dancers had mental problems before dancing? How has dancing affected them? If you ahve not had mental problems, has dancing caused any?"

charlie61
07-21-2009, 06:21 PM
^ I'd agree. I do not believe that stripping is typically the root of the problem. It may tend to attract certain personality types (destructive, addictive, etc.), however.

pinkkitten
07-22-2009, 07:01 AM
the bouncers most likely are assuming you are okay with high contact and that is how you make your money and they dont want to interfere. I dont mean to be rude but in a way you set yourself up for that by being known as the high contact girl. A lot of high contact girls dont want the bouncers to scold the guys for doing extra stuff because they make their money doing extra stuff, so these bouncers think that by not calling out a customer doing something bad he is actually HELPING you make money.

i understand that the bouncers would assume they are getting in the way of money making by scolding the guys. however, that does not mean the guys have a right to walk out without paying for their dance if its a high contact dance or with a high contact girl any more than they have a right to refuse payment on a lower contact dance. and no, i was not referring to any "extra" money for extra activities. i was referring to the actual price for the lap dance, as i specified in an earlier post.

SerenaSin
07-22-2009, 07:54 AM
I think that being in the sex-profession definitely takes a toll on a women, but the more inciteful question is whether the greatest harm is produced by the acts that she engages in or by the scorn of society with which she has to cope (including how her custies treat her).

I strongly agree with this.

One of the shittiest aspects of my job (I work in a high-contact topless club with liquor) is dealing with people who INSIST that my job must be shitty! Like the custy who grilled me about my personal life and said that "60 percent of dancers are fucked up, druggies, molestation victims" and then HAD THE NERVE to ask if I had been "touched" as a child or if my father died or if I'd been raped recently, and when I said "no" accused me of "lying" and "being defensive" and that he'd "find out what really happened to me at some point". This guy didn't even KNOW me! I wanted to stab him in the throat with a pen.

He's not the only customer who's berated me because of my job (hypocritically, before getting a slew of lapdances from random "fucked up strippers"). And certain feminists aren't any better (not all feminists, I'm talking second-wave inspired), almost none of whom have ever worked in the sex industry.

Here's a tip for customers... it's not the high contact but the EXTRAS requests that are starting to weigh on me. Really, it puts lots of us in a shitty mood, even though we fake smile about it and might still dance for you. It is emotionally taxing to have to argue with a potential customer about whether $25 ($17 of which I actually get to keep!) is a reasonable amount to finger me/jerk you off... it is soooo fucking cheap, and insulting. If I did do extras, which I don't, I would charge a HELL of a lot more than the standard dance price. It's like telling your waiter that you'll only tip him if he brings you a free entree, it doesn't make any fucking sense, and he is not going to risk getting fired from his job for a measley few bucks, especially when there are cameras everywhere. Duh!

If a guy does not request extras and, once we're upstairs, does not immediately try to grab my pussy and pull my tit into his mouth and turn into some kind of crazy octopus-man, I will guide his hands and give him an extremely intimate, satisfying dance. I have no problem with being touched, as long as it conforms with state/federal laws and club rules. Sometimes, I dare say, I even enjoy it, when I have some amount of control over the situation and don't feel like I'm being forced into getting fondled by some creepy cheap-ass who's trying to "get the most" out of his one dance.

I can't wait til the economy turns around, i'm sick of feeling like I have to deal with bad customers who take advantage of the situation for fear of not being able to put food on the table. Looking forward telling more law-breaking, stripper-shaming, pussy-grabbing assholes to fuck off for good ;D

Cyril
07-22-2009, 10:45 PM
Whilst we're at it, where's the "Project: Dream Customer" thread, you know for the ones that don't try to touch you, don't waste your time, harass/insult/demeanour you. I actually think that verbal abuse is far more prevalent in low-contact clubs as guys as paying but not getting so to say. That said, I don't give customers attitude but I sure as hell don't take theirs, I very often go 'keep your money, and your attitude', which would perceive this as bad customer service as the customer is willing to buy but I'm not willing to sell under those circumstances.

Anyhow this thread has a far more meaningful point to make so I think we should leave it at that.

Project: Dream Girls covers the Project: Dream Customers. :)

Come and check it out.

TravelandStrip
07-30-2009, 04:24 AM
If a girl starts as a teen and works for years in an extremely high-contact club, is it possible for her to remain a normal, well-adjusted person, mentally? I'm not trying to be a prick or a troll.

I have the serious question and looking for thoughtful answers from some who have been there. I've thought about it a lot and I don't know how a young girl could spend years essentially getting voluntarily molested by strange men for $25 a pop, seeing many of them cum in their pants or pull out their dicks or grab the kitty or all of the above, and come out of it without at least some significant psychological issues.

Serious thoughts?

I have personally not been able to last at a contact club (during lap dances) for more than 2 weeks because I found it to be emotionally draining and numbing.

goreantx
07-30-2009, 10:22 AM
From the research I have done and what I have observed, dancers don't necessarily make more money from high contact dances. I don't know if the extras money makes up for being stuck with the cheap, grabby customers, but the high earners I have observed make more off of corporate types that come in to entertain business clientele and want conversation with a couple low mileage dances peppered in at an hourly rate.

I think dancing requires a ton of hard work, but it can either be in the form of hustling and getting clean cut AMEX carriers or sneaking in nipple sucks and fingering while the manager "isn't looking" (they're always looking, don't be fooled).

CherryBomb954
07-30-2009, 10:32 AM
From the research I have done and what I have observed, dancers don't necessarily make more money from high contact dances. I don't know if the extras money makes up for being stuck with the cheap, grabby customers, but the high earners I have observed make more off of corporate types that come in to entertain business clientele and want conversation with a couple low mileage dances peppered in at an hourly rate.

I think dancing requires a ton of hard work, but it can either be in the form of hustling and getting clean cut AMEX carriers or sneaking in nipple sucks and fingering while the manager "isn't looking" (they're always looking, don't be fooled).

I agree with that, somewhat.....I'm gonna throw out the age-old saying "It depends on the club"

My last club was a dirty extras club and making money there as a clean dancer was tough....challenging to say the least. I had to fight twice as hard to make $$ while not allowing myself to be groped, licked, nipple sucked, fingered......or even worse giving blow jobs or fucking in the VIP, like all the "top earners" did.

Guys would actually automatically expect me to let them suck my nips during dances, pull my g-string to the side and show the kitty, or even worse let them touch me down there for a $5 dance. I had some get downright mad, shove $5 (or sometimes less) at me halfway through the dance, and say "Thank you, goodbye!"

I managed to stay strong and never let my guard down to make an extra buck.

At other clubs, though, which are better run and are all and all just a nicer place, yes, the "top earners" would always be the ones making hella $$ off of air dancing for guys in suits for hours, or paid to talk and drink champagne in the VIP.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-30-2009, 10:35 AM
... but the high earners I have observed make more off of corporate types that come in to entertain business clientele ...
They are not spending their own money; they are spending company money and MY money by not only not paying taxes but writing it off their taxes. Corporate welfare and they have no shame.