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xdamage
07-05-2009, 07:25 AM
I grew up in Nevada where it's legal in many counties. Nothing to be ashamed of - I knew plenty of girls who were very matter of fact about it and proud of it. I was also proud that we had the brothels. I think it goes hand in hand with a woman's right to chose - it's the same argument: it's her body. For those who don't agree with abortion rights, prostitution is certainly a woman's right to chose. The only reason it's illegal is purely religious.

Hm, the thing is people create religions, over and over through history and cultures, so it's rather a circular explanation to blame it on religion. People create religions because of their nature, because of the conditions they grow up with, not the other way around, and it's not too hard to imagine even in this country a war, famine, any catastrophe having people rapidly falling back on religious hopes.

Also I know an awful lot of women who are anti-abortion, anti-prostitution. I think there are more dynamics at play which is why people still debate it.

I think people are instinctively competitive. They simply can't help themselves and I learn a lot about people by simply asking "what is in this position for them?" The thing is conditions change. People change their views based on what ever is most advantageous for them, which is always changing as they age.

So for example, while they may view something like prostitution one way at a certain age, their views may change at older ages where it is no longer advantageous. That transcends sex, and goes back to basics, "is it good for me?" which is, I think, far more what drives people then "is it good for my sex?". Long term what is good for individuals is what really interests them. And therein lies the quandry for women (and men, but probably more so for women)... for the men in their lives to be more sexually pulled to younger hotter prostitutes vs themselves (who will age) may be a complex quandry that will always have many women also on the other side of the fence being negative about prostitution.

jack0177057
07-07-2009, 09:54 AM
I think it should be legalized and highly regulated.

I agree with regulation... I'd go even farther and say customers should be regulated, too,... not just the prostitutes.

Customers should have to register (all registrations will be sealed for purposes of confidentiality and only unsealed to investigate criminal assault suspects) and be issued licenses or customer ID cards. They could have fake names for the sake of privacy, but an ID number that can be traced by the authorities to their real identity. They should be annually or periodically tested for STDs. Like with gun control, no customer ID card should be issued to people convicted of violent crimes, specially sexual assault and spousal abuse...

I don't know if any country imposes something like this on the customer, but I think it would be a good idea... at the very least, to protect the prostitutes and other customers from STDs...

bem401
07-07-2009, 02:25 PM
I agree with regulation... I'd go even farther and say customers should be regulated, too,... not just the prostitutes.

Customers should have to register (all registrations will be sealed for purposes of confidentiality and only unsealed to investigate criminal assault suspects) and be issued licenses or customer ID cards. They could have fake names for the sake of privacy, but an ID number that can be traced by the authorities to their real identity. They should be annually or periodically tested for STDs. Like with gun control, no customer ID card should be issued to people convicted of violent crimes, specially sexual assault and spousal abuse...

I don't know if any country imposes something like this on the customer, but I think it would be a good idea... at the very least, to protect the prostitutes and other customers from STDs...

Please tell me you're kidding. You want to issue licenses or ID's like the library or the gym? Will we have to stand in line like at the DMV to register? What happens when the wifey comes across the card? You must be one very lonely single man to come up with this brainstorm.

I really don't care whether they legalize it or not. I'd never approach a person or agency I didn't know was cool about any illegal or questionable activity. But I don't think creating new bureaucracies which leaves paper trails is the way to go.

yoda57us
07-07-2009, 02:41 PM
I agree with regulation... I'd go even farther and say customers should be regulated, too,... not just the prostitutes.


Thinking like that is exactly why prostitution will never be legalized or decriminalized nationally or on any sort of broad state by state level.

I'll be damned if the government is going to have paper work on me and my dick just because I choose to pay a woman for sex. It is none of the government's business what goes on between two consenting adults. You may find this hard to believe but women who make a living selling sex are actually very careful about safe sex practices and testing. Much more careful than a lot of civvie women. They don't need the government to teach them how to protect their own health and well being and neither do guys who see them.

As long as the prevailing POV is to "legalize it and regulate it" most women who practice prostituion will continue to do it underground...just the way they do now.

verfolgung
07-07-2009, 07:40 PM
... Customers should have to register (all registrations will be sealed for purposes of confidentiality and only unsealed to investigate criminal assault suspects) and be issued licenses or customer ID cards. They could have fake names for the sake of privacy, but an ID number that can be traced by the authorities to their real identity. ...

LOL - Meanwhile some guys worry about coming home with a little glitter on their clothes. :D

CFMNH44
07-07-2009, 08:05 PM
I agree with regulation... I'd go even farther and say customers should be regulated, too,... not just the prostitutes.

Customers should have to register ... and be issued licenses or customer ID cards. They could have fake names for the sake of privacy, but an ID number that can be traced by the authorities to their real identity... ...

Please! Do not post this where Massachusetts politicians can see this! They already have figured out how to tax nearly everything else. (The same polls that want to tax for the number of miles you drive via a chip embedded in your car.) I can see it now… the department of dicks department…

xdamage
07-07-2009, 09:07 PM
Maybe you get a little membership card, like a Subway card, and after 9 stamps the 10th one is free?

JayATee
07-08-2009, 12:07 PM
^ LoL. Yah, Im sure the card plans will work out great. ::)

audrey_k
07-11-2009, 09:40 AM
I have no problem with it being legalized-- however, I think some precautions should be taken. Girls should have to be 18+ and should have to have a license and undergo STD/HIV testing to keep their license (which they do in other countries, I think? I'm no expert). Yes girls will slip past any precautions the goverment takes but that doesn't mean they shouldn't make an attempt.

However, I feel very strongly that prostitution should NOT be allowed in the SC if it is ever legalized. The SC is supposed to be about fantasy. While I do not judge prostitutes or think they are "below" me, I am not comfortable doing extras and this is not what the SC is about. Allowing prostiution, even if it is not required, would put dancers in an unfair competition. As I have said many nights in disgust "I don't work in a brothel, I work in a strip club!"

yoda57us
07-11-2009, 02:46 PM
Hello smart ones prostitution is legalized in brothels and thats were it should stay,my best friend was a prostitute off craigs list and a street walker.sad storys she got beaten up,almost killed,lets just leave at that.prostitutes also kill watch that movie monster based on a true story.

Um, hello yourself...There IS a whole wide world of exchanging money for sex out there that exists in the huge gray area in-between the legal brothels and the Craig's list girls. Girls work intelligently and without either being beaten up or killing anybody and customers pay without hurting anybody or getting hurt or ripped off.

JayATee
07-11-2009, 02:59 PM
Hello smart ones prostitution is legalized in brothels and thats were it should stay,my best friend was a prostitute off craigs list and a street walker.sad storys she got beaten up,almost killed,lets just leave at that.prostitutes also kill watch that movie monster based on a true story.

It's legal in Nevada brothels, otherwise it's ILLEGAL every where else, including your state of AZ. Duh. Besides that, ONE prostitute that was guilty of being a serial killer doesn't mean they ALL murder their clients. Stereotype much? ::)

xdamage
07-11-2009, 06:16 PM
As others above have said, in the U.S.A. the only legal brothels are in bum-fuck NV, an hours driveish? from Las Vegas. Not like people have a lot of legal options at the moment.

xdamage
07-11-2009, 06:17 PM
...Besides that, ONE prostitute that was guilty of being a serial killer doesn't mean they ALL murder their clients.

Sure it does. There is no such thing as a middle ground in life. If one does it, they ALL do it. See? ;D

MarvelGirl
07-11-2009, 07:04 PM
I can't speak for anyone else, but I definitely killed all of my clients.

That's what happy ending means...right? Or was I supposed to...? Oh!

Darn, my bad.

yoda57us
07-11-2009, 09:29 PM
I can't speak for anyone else, but I definitely killed all of my clients.

That's what happy ending means...right? Or was I supposed to...? Oh!

Darn, my bad.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Almost Jaded
07-11-2009, 10:47 PM
Much LOLZ...

pinkkitten
07-12-2009, 12:08 AM
I can't speak for anyone else, but I definitely killed all of my clients.

That's what happy ending means...right? Or was I supposed to...? Oh!

Darn, my bad.
hahaha oh, that was fucking hilarious.

xdamage
07-13-2009, 06:21 AM
Well this is precisely why many argue in favor of legalizing it. Like you said, "Prostitutes are everywhere". It is happening so why pretend it isn't?

The problem is people keep wanting to take all or nothing positions. Prostitution is always bad/unsafe/abusive, or prostitution is always consenting/choice, etc. It muddies up the conversations because the reality is somewhere in the middle. Some of it is consenting, some of it not.

The benefits of legalized prostitution would be that it would be done with some controls that would be put in place to prevent the following:

o Unsafe sex resulting in the spreading of STDs

o Violence (mostly male toward female) - If your statistics are correct, 60% are abused, then in a legalized environment there would be safe guards, others around to protect the sex workers.

o Human trafficking. Something like Nevada's system that puts in place many checks before a worker can work.

There is no way to entirely prevent prostitution that occurs outside of a legalized setting, but the theory is that if it was legalized, made more readily available in legal forms, that the percentage of people engaging in illegal forms would decrease as well (along with the negatives I listed above). Is that true? Don't know, maybe.

But there is no answer for the fact that there will remain sickos who prey on kids, the truly desperate who spread STDs, the violent types who seek out prey, etc. We can't entirely stop that. A better question is can we decrease it by changing our laws? And it is a tough question because to play devils advocate, the other argument is that legalizing it further encourages the objectification of women, that it will feed into sexual violence, that for those humans who have twisted desires (e.g., pedophiles) that it will feed into those whose desires are not acceptable, resulting in less self-control.

So yea, life is complex. The best thing to do though is look at other parts of the world where it has been decriminalized or legalized and learn from their mistakes. We have some good examples of what works and what does not.

JayATee
07-13-2009, 12:40 PM
Prostitutes are eveywhere look at the sex trade sad,sad,sad.People selling there 5 year old children.People kidnapping and forcing people into prostitution.condoms break its not safe.Fortunatley prostution isnt legal for all the smart ones who think it should be(smart ones)sercasticly hahaha.Peopel are all diffrent and are all going to have an opinon thats great!As for steryotypes I dont with anyone im just using the movie monster as an EXAMPLE!Its not just men that kill prostitutes women do as well to there clientele.No it doesnt happen so ugly evertime but it does happen peopel get murderd,riped off etc.I even thought about working at bunny the bunny ranch myself,no type of intercourse.messages,take baths with gentelmen show them a great time women get paid big bucks for that.
p.s yoda if you call meating strangers for sex safe we must live in a perfect wold lol even if they do have one lucky experience were everything goes fine.Why risk i, who knows the next time?money is not worth risking anything for.O i read your post # 154 now I see why your reaction lol cracks me up keep thinking positive lol .look up statistics 60% or more of prostutes are abbused by there clients over half.
peace to you all

Where are you getting your numbers and information?? You have been seriously seriously misinformed. There is an entire world of prostitution that exists beyond street walkers, which is where most of the stuff you're referring to goes on. I think you need to be a little more knowledgeable before you just come out with these blanket statements and talk to us like we're idiots.

MarvelGirl
07-13-2009, 01:43 PM
.I even thought about working at bunny the bunny ranch myself,no type of intercourse.messages,take baths with gentelmen show them a great time women get paid big bucks for that.


Please do this. The management would either tell you to fuck off, or they'd let you pay for all of the licenses so they could laugh at you when you lost money on this stupid idea. You will not make great money, it would be a miracle if you even broke even.

Oh, and with your nasty attitude about prostitutes, the other girls would make your life a living hell. Going to a whorehouse to refuse sex and talk down to women who make their living this way is an incredibly stupid idea. You wouldn't like it if a girl came to the strip club and refused to strip while making up statistics about how all strippers were coke whores and trash and stupid for taking off their clothes, so try not to be a hypocrite.

You pulled those statistics out of your ass too, and anybody with half a brain knows it.::)

Almost Jaded
07-13-2009, 01:50 PM
Once again Marvel Girl spares me he trouble of typing...

MarvelGirl
07-13-2009, 01:57 PM
Hello smart ones prostitution is legalized in brothels and thats were it should stay,my best friend was a prostitute off craigs list and a street walker.sad storys she got beaten up,almost killed,lets just leave at that.prostitutes also kill watch that movie monster based on a true story.


Let's think about this for a moment. First of all, you hang out with streetwalkers, that says a lot about you and your lifestyle. Streetwalkers do fit the negative stereotype of a prostitute because only women with serious issues still work this way. There's no reason to do something so dumb with all the other options available. Secondly, what is a streetwalker? A streetwalker is a person who walks along the street in a bad part of town wearing little clothing and getting into stranger's cars...

And she was surprised that she was attacked? Really?!?

If this happened in the past ten years, your friend is a moron. Flat out MORON. There is no reason for a woman to streetwalk in this day and age unless she has a drug problem, an abusive pimp who forces her to, or she's just too goddamn stupid to figure out how to use the internet.

Be a friend, and teach your coked out, pimped out, mildly retarded friend how to use a computer so she can stop putting herself in these idiotic situations.

bumrubber
07-13-2009, 04:14 PM
I have no problem with it being legalized-- however, I think some precautions should be taken. Girls should have to be 18+ and should have to have a license and undergo STD/HIV testing to keep their license (which they do in other countries, I think? I'm no expert). Yes girls will slip past any precautions the goverment takes but that doesn't mean they shouldn't make an attempt.

However, I feel very strongly that prostitution should NOT be allowed in the SC if it is ever legalized. The SC is supposed to be about fantasy. While I do not judge prostitutes or think they are "below" me, I am not comfortable doing extras and this is not what the SC is about. Allowing prostiution, even if it is not required, would put dancers in an unfair competition. As I have said many nights in disgust "I don't work in a brothel, I work in a strip club!"

Audrey,

I've been to SCs in Canada where prostitution is legal, and they were much tamer than in the US. All were pretty much no-touch and about half didn't even have private dance areas. I don't know if this is the rule across Canada but it's not like anywhere in the US. Since there's nowhere else to get it legally in the US, it gets driven into the "gray area" of SCs.

As far as health concerns go, there are resources for sex workers plus free health care in most western countries. But there will always be some sex workers who don't or can't take proper care of themselves, because of drugs or other issues.

MarvelGirl
07-13-2009, 11:50 PM
O also for your information ive seen every episode of bunny ranch on hbo any theres women that dont have sex and make a killling,theyve been working there for years nobody kicking them out dumb fuck hahahah.

ROFLMAO, and you think that makes you an expert? Watching a faux reality show? LOL The girls who work in the brothels laugh at that show because it is so blatantly false.

Oh, completely off topic, but if these are the writings of the average American college student, our education system is in serious trouble. You can't even compose a coherent sentence.

katalinda
07-14-2009, 12:19 AM
I live in a state where prostitution is either legal or decriminalized (I'm a little unsure of the difference here, if anyone cares to enlighten me) and all I can say is that from my limited perspective on the situation here...decriminalizing prostitution is a good idea.

1. It hasn't killed the SC industry. My state has probably the highest number of strip clubs in the country and we also have brothels. The fact is, not all men who go to a SC are after sex and here if they want that they can go to a brothel. There are men out there, believe it or not, who are content going to a SC and experiencin the fantasy of sex and not the reality.

2. As I mentioned before, my sources on this are really just anecdotal, but having had a few friends who have worked in brothels and having spoken to the health workers who care for them, the women in this state are so much safer than ones who come from places where prostitution is illegal. Here, the women are tested once a month for STD's, brothels require background checks, clients MUST use protection, etc. There are a whole lot of safeguards in place to keep everyone as safe as possible.

3. Sure, we still have streetwalkers. With the rise in drug use all over the world, there will always be women who are willing to walk the streets and put themselves at risk to support their habit.

I think that no matter what your moral opinion on prostitution is, the women who choose to do it should be able to do it legally, so that if something does go wrong or they are abused in any way, they are able to actually take action for themselves rather than being afraid of getting caught being a prostitute.

Almost Jaded
07-14-2009, 12:53 AM
LMFAO @ brina182 - OMG - seriously - you don't know a damned thing about what you're talking about; all you know is from a BS TV show (honey, I've BEEN to the Bunny Ranch, and it's NOTHING like how they showed it), one girl who was prostituting illegally (not saying anything about her character, just stating a fact as you presented it as such), and a Google search (and who knows which links to what you decided to click, lol). And from that, you feel you have big enough guns to come into a discussion among intelligent, informed people who form opinions based on research and experience and blast them with unintelligible babble that can barely be read? And since THAT'S not enough, you then claim to be this amazing top-earning dancer in a fancy club and fill it all in with silly "peace love dope" rhetoric... :shakes head:

Katalinda - Read my sig, shoot me a PM. :)

xdamage
07-14-2009, 05:52 AM
I live in a state where prostitution is either legal or decriminalized (I'm a little unsure of the difference here, if anyone cares to enlighten me)

Simply put, if it was decriminalized, then there would be less (or no) laws against it, and the government would keep their hands out it completely. If legalized, there are laws allowing it under certain regulated conditions.

Different people want different things but for example, suppose we entirely decriminalized it. Seems good on the face of it, but not everyone would necessarily be happy.

Say we agreed that two consenting adults can do whatever they want as long as it is kept reasonably private. In a hotel? Sure. In our homes? Absolutely. In a private bathroom in a nightclub with the door locked? Hmm.. tough one. In a private rented room in a SC? Maybe. It depends on how we define it. We people create laws so we can create them to be however we want them to be. For example it would be possible to write laws that prohibit SCs from providing private rooms, or to define them as not really private. Lawyers of course hash these arguments out, but the reality is it is complex because people are fighting for their own interests. Some win, some lose. Laws are at best compromise positions that hopefully reflect the majorities wishes, but sometimes not.

Legalized works too but not everyone is happy with it because it means the government is still dictating the terms.

Hey, societies (groups of people) have been fighting about this topic far longer then any of us have lived.

jack0177057
07-15-2009, 02:28 PM
As others above have said, in the U.S.A. the only legal brothels are in bum-fuck NV, an hours driveish? from Las Vegas. Not like people have a lot of legal options at the moment.

Some people in Texas drive a few hours to "Boys Town" in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico - just across the border from Laredo, Texas... I've never been there, but I've heard a very good time can be had...

Also, 'sex tourism' to Costa Rica is a good option... I've never done this either,... but, I've heard from friends that it is tropical paradise. It is a safe and stable country, is very affordable to travel and stay there and the women are very beautiful.

Prostitution is supposed to be legal in Canada (though solicitation is illegal, brothels are illegal, advertising is illegal, etc.), so that's another option, if you live in a northern state bordering Canada.

xdamage
07-15-2009, 02:51 PM
^^^

To be clear, never been myself, but my point was that people often throw out "go to a brothel" seemingly completely unaware that there really aren't many legal choices. Like they seem to be saying it as if they are under the (false) belief that people just aren't going because they don't want to go. I have heard it so many times on this board that apparently the explanation is many people are unaware there aren't many legal chcoices.

They seem surprised to learn the only legal brothels in the U.S.A. are in Nevada, actually quite far away from the strip in Vegas, and hours drive or so away? Yea, it is possible people really just don't know. Like why would they? But still it is not hard to look up either. If they did so they'd learn there is a loophole in RI which makes sex for pay legal, sort of, but still not legal brothels.

Sure, you can leave the country but those brothels (especially the one's down south) may come with additional risks. Probably not what most people are thinking of when they are advising going to a brothel.

Perry
07-15-2009, 03:05 PM
There used to be a lot of Australian ladies on this forum, and prostitution is legal down under. From a generalization of what I remember from their posts- they made pretty great money, and didn't have to put up with as much crap as strippers who work where it isn't legal. Some guys have a nasty habbit of thinking a stripper will do in a pinch if they can't get a hooker. ::)

I think it would be great for dancers. If a guy wants a dance, some fun convo, and a few drinks he goes to a strip club. If he wants sex he goes to a brothel. It would cut down on grabby, pushy and extras seeking customers. It would also help define the line of exactly what a stripper is and isn't. -

bem401
07-15-2009, 03:30 PM
I think it would be great for dancers. If a guy wants a dance, some fun convo, and a few drinks he goes to a strip club. If he wants sex he goes to a brothel. It would cut down on grabby, pushy and extras seeking customers. It would also help define the line of exactly what a stripper is and isn't. -

If only it were this simple. I live in RI and have many dancer friends. Since it was determined that prostitution was not a prosecutable offense, their jobs and their ability to earn "cleanly" became much more difficult. If you think legalizing prostitution means all the girls wiilling to do that will suddenly ply their trade elsewhere, think again. The pressure to do extras, and grabby, pushy, customers are at all-time highs precisely because the customers know it isnt illegal to do that or to proposition the girls and the clubs dont care as long as the money keeps flowing.

Actually, I cant think of a dancer friend who isnt wishing for the RI loophole to be closed.

jasmine22
07-15-2009, 03:56 PM
While I don't have a problem with legalizing prostitution the way Nevada has, I do have a problem with allowing it to go on in strip clubs. If the girls that want to offer those services go to work in a brothel that's fine, but allowing it to go on ITC makes it impossible for dancers who do not want to offer those services to make any money. Why on earth is a customer going to pay me to just dance for him when he can get a blow job or flat out fuck another one of the girls I work with? This would put a lot of girls out of business.


i agree with that! It can be legal but strip clubs should not become a brothel. plus i like the fact that the legal brothels require the girls to get tested. i have a feeling a lot of strip clubs wouldnt even do that.

yoda57us
07-15-2009, 05:49 PM
If only it were this simple. I live in RI and have many dancer friends. Since it was determined that prostitution was not a prosecutable offense, their jobs and their ability to earn "cleanly" became much more difficult.

I agree. A big part of the problem stems from the economy going south at just about the same time that the "loophole" was discovered. If you remember the scene three or four years ago ONE club began to exploit the loophole by building private booths and telling the girls that they would not be watched. Fifteen minutes of anything goes started out at $250 and dropped down to below $100 within a year. Why? Well, partly because the club would allow anyone with a house fee and a pulse to work there and, if a girl was willing to have sex with customers for $60 she could bank even if she looked like Roseanne...

As the economy tanked and business suffered all of the other clubs in Providence started to lower standards as well. I seems to me however that the tide is turning a bit. The city's biggest and busiest club has brought business back by offering dance specials AND they have started to clean-out the real low end hookers who where making it impossible for clean, or even semi-clean girls to work.

The model of dancers in strip clubs and hookers in brothels will only work if the club owners want it to work. As long as SC owners continue to hire anyone with a pulse and then turn their back on what goes on when 3's and 4's try to compete with 8's and 9's there will always be an element of prostitution in strip clubs.

xdamage
07-15-2009, 06:03 PM
It may be that the separation of brothel and SCs works so well in Vegas because they are really well separated, by enough miles and distance that only the truly brothel bound go to brothels.

OTOH in Amsterdam SCs have all but died. The problem there is the competition of endless numbers of young beautiful women can be found in brothels, live sex shows, and windows, at very low prices. Even those men who are not looking for sex can find an entertainer willing to do anything up to their limit for less then an SC experience in the USA.

Yet supposedly Brothels and SCs stand side by side in Australia.

So go figure. The variables are complex and there is no certain outcome.

yoda57us
07-15-2009, 06:55 PM
So go figure. The variables are complex and there is no certain outcome.

Lol, That's for sure...

Patience of course needs to be part of the equation. Nothing changes overnight. Maybe it works in Nevada because it's been going on for many years.

Almost Jaded
07-15-2009, 11:34 PM
Um - thought this was covered already?

The problem in RI seems to be exactly what's been discussed - lack of regulation and definition.

I live in Vegas. This is the strip club mecca of the country, if not the world - and the brothels in Pahrump are 60-90 minutes away as Xdamage says. What x doesn't know is that they're even more accessible. Most if not all of them offer free transportation between there and here, by "fun bus" or - with the right appointment - limo. Free. And again - many of the "services" here are far more liberal than in other cities.

And yet - the strip clubs thrive.

Legalize and regulate it.

Otoki
07-16-2009, 05:44 AM
If only it were this simple. I live in RI and have many dancer friends. Since it was determined that prostitution was not a prosecutable offense, their jobs and their ability to earn "cleanly" became much more difficult. If you think legalizing prostitution means all the girls wiilling to do that will suddenly ply their trade elsewhere, think again. The pressure to do extras, and grabby, pushy, customers are at all-time highs precisely because the customers know it isnt illegal to do that or to proposition the girls and the clubs dont care as long as the money keeps flowing.

Actually, I cant think of a dancer friend who isnt wishing for the RI loophole to be closed.
And that's the difference between decriminalization and legalization. With legalization, things will be regulated, girls would be tested, and they wouldn't be able to ply their trade wherever they want.

What you're referencing is decriminalization.

bem401
07-16-2009, 05:49 AM
Um - thought this was covered already?

The problem in RI seems to be exactly what's been discussed - lack of regulation and definition.

I live in Vegas. This is the strip club mecca of the country, if not the world - and the brothels in Pahrump are 60-90 minutes away as Xdamage says. What x doesn't know is that they're even more accessible. Most if not all of them offer free transportation between there and here, by "fun bus" or - with the right appointment - limo. Free. And again - many of the "services" here are far more liberal than in other cities.

And yet - the strip clubs thrive.

Legalize and regulate it.

Won't work here, at least as far as accomplishing what you're looking for. Everything in Rhode Island is like 20 minutes from everything else, so there are no locations remote enough to prevent strip clubs and brothels from competing with each other.

I'm guessing one of the reasons the Vegas clubs thrive is because of all the tourists passing through town. We don't have that steady flow here and the clubs rely on repeat customers, mostly from MA.

There are 4 or 5 major clubs in town within a mile of each other, each offering up to 50 girls at a time, so we are a bit of a mecca as well. Others with more outside-RI experience can confirm or deny this. There are also at least 30 AMPs populating that same area.

Of course, maybe they could legalize it everywhere except the strip clubs......

yoda57us
07-16-2009, 05:54 AM
Um - thought this was covered already?


LOL, if we stopped talking about stuff that's already been "covered" we could close the board to all new posts right now and just let people spend all day using the search function....

What fun would that be?

Almost Jaded
07-16-2009, 12:13 PM
Good point.

Strip club customers aren't brothel customers. The guys looking for that kind of action would go to where they can get it. Guys who want to go to a strip club will go to a strip club.

Yes, we have a steady flow of tourists - to say the least. But all things in proportion - there are no fewer than - let's see... Off the top of my head from memory without searching the net or a map, all within a couple of blocks of each other on "strip club row", there are:

Spearmint Rhino
Diamond Cabaret
Foxxy Girls
Deja Vu
Can Can Room
Saphire
Treasures
Cheetahs
Olympic Garden
Sheri's Cabaret
Crazy Horse (when it's open, lol)

...that's 11, the SMALLEST of which will have 30-40 girls most nights, the bigger ones over 300 on a weekend night, and I know I'm forgetting some.

Off "the row" but a stone's throw from The Strip there are:

Rick's Cabaret (formerly Scores Las Vegas)
Seamless
Play It Again Sam's
Club Paradise
Pussycat's
Glitter Gulch
The Penthouse Club (formerly Sin)
Bada Bing

...and again, I'm forgetting some.

Drive around town a bit...

The Library
Babes
Larry's Villa
Hustler

...and I KNOW I'm leaving out a LOT of them in my old age, lol.

Some of those are low rent and scary, some very nice. But that's, what - 23 clubs, the smaller one's being almost the size of most cities clubs, lol.

Some do well, some don't - but they all make SOME money! In a town where prostitution is "illegal" but escort services (of which there are DOZENS) are thinly veiled, and where out and out brothels are a free 90 minute ride down Blue Diamond road.

If they were to legalize it in Clark County, the clubs that already have a reputation for that stuff would go that way, the others wouldn't - why should they? "That guy" that some of the girls refer to when talking about clients - the married guy with a couple kids - well, there's a big line in most responsible mens minds between a strip club and paying for sex. THAT'S WHY STRIP CLUBS EXIST.

Meh - I'm being paged, gotta go, wasn't quite done yet...

Earl_the_Pearl
07-16-2009, 12:28 PM
I think it would be great for dancers. If a guy wants a dance, some fun convo, and a few drinks he goes to a strip club. If he wants sex he goes to a brothel. It would cut down on grabby, pushy and extras seeking customers. It would also help define the line of exactly what a stripper is and isn't. -
It is up to dancers to define what a dancer is or isn't. PLs have things forced on them that they were not looking for. http://forum.stripperweb.com/images/themes/sw4/icons/dizzy.gif

JayATee
07-16-2009, 12:33 PM
^Aww! You poor baby! Maybe you should stop going then if you're forced into things you don't like.

Puhleeese! ::)

Earl_the_Pearl
07-16-2009, 12:38 PM
Strip club customers aren't brothel customers. The guys looking for that kind of action would go to where they can get it. Guys who want to go to a strip club will go to a strip club.

If a man goes to a brothel he is a John paying a prostitute no gray area. A PL in a club is not necessarily a John nor dancers prostitutes as there are many shades of gray and personal interaction. /:O

verfolgung
07-16-2009, 12:49 PM
... Strip club customers aren't brothel customers. The guys looking for that kind of action would go to where they can get it. Guys who want to go to a strip club will go to a strip club. ...

- well, there's a big line in most responsible mens minds between a strip club and paying for sex. THAT'S WHY STRIP CLUBS EXIST. ...

I don't think this can be said for all. Even paying for services in a SC, in the minds of some customer's there's a delusional sense of conquest as they convince themselves that they were able to achieve something "extra".

Also, there is a sense of plausible deniability for some. A business man travels and goes home to tell his wife that while he was away he visited the SC vs. coming right out and admitting he went to a brothel.

verfolgung
07-16-2009, 01:02 PM
It is up to dancers to define what a dancer is or isn't. PLs have things forced on them that they were not looking for.

Forced? /:O


IMHO, I believe it is up to management. Properly enforcing rules and hiring those who will follow them. Unfortunately, as many have already pointed out, many managers do not care to do this.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-16-2009, 01:02 PM
^Aww! You poor baby! Maybe you should stop going then if you're forced into things you don't like.

Puhleeese! ::)
The quote was.

PLs have things forced on them that they were not looking for. http://forum.stripperweb.com/images/themes/sw4/icons/dizzy.gif
Some PLs may not dislike it but they were not looking for it at that point in time from a particular dancer.

Take this hypothetical situation. A PL goes into a club to see a friend as she needs a ride home. As they are having a drink a much older less attractive dancer stands next to him. The PL smiles and tips her a dollar and turns his attention back to his friend. The intruder with amazing speed has his zipper pulled down and is giving him a massage with warming lubricating oil. This puts the PL into a very sticky situation.

verfolgung
07-16-2009, 01:08 PM
... Take this hypothetical situation. A PL goes into a club to see a friend as she needs a ride home. As they are having a drink a much older less attractive dancer stands next to him. The PL smiles and tips her a dollar and turns his attention back to his friend. The intruder with amazing speed has his zipper pulled down and is giving him a massage with warming lubricating oil. This puts the PL into a very sticky situation.

... The friend disgusted by the older dancer's actions, starts kicking the crap out of her. Hypotheically speaking of course. ;)

xdamage
07-16-2009, 01:35 PM
I'm not getting the forced thing but I'm also old enough to believe in the idea of taking on personal responsibility because the problem is, people have a way of waving a magic wand. The way the magic wand works is simple. When they do something or make a choice they are proud of, they cast the "I did it" spell with the wand. When they do something or make a choice that are not proud of, they cast the "they did it" or "society made me do it" spell with the wand. It's amazing because with this power you can see reality in a whole new me good, them bad way.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-16-2009, 01:59 PM
I'm not getting the forced thing
I used forced as in aggressive manipulation not actual physical force. It may not be a totally willing buyer as the blood flow has gone south.

Almost Jaded
07-16-2009, 02:07 PM
What you are describing Mr Pearl, is sexual assault. The only thing "sticky" about the situation is the lub she's getting on his pants. He needs to yank her hand out of there with a loud "WTF cut it out" or something similar. If he doesn't because he's embarrassed or some other lame shit reason, he's putting that lame shit reason over what is being done - HIS DECISION.