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xdamage
09-03-2009, 08:12 AM
I'm sure it had nothing to do with Saddam's 1993 plot to assasinate Bush's daddy. Yep, nothing at all.

Well if that was a key motivating factor that would mean his personal emotions interfered with his decision to go to war (or not). This cannot be true. We all know men never do that, let emotions like anger, feeling a desire for vengeance, personal vendetta, to interfere with their decision making processes. I think I read that somewhere. ::)

princessjas
09-03-2009, 09:42 AM
Well if that was a key motivating factor that would mean his personal emotions interfered with his decision to go to war (or not). This cannot be true. We all know men never do that, let emotions like anger, feeling a desire for vengeance, personal vendetta, to interfere with their decision making processes. I think I read that somewhere. ::)

:rotfl: Yep, never happens....or so I've been told.

bem401
09-03-2009, 04:08 PM
The end game is to bring Afghanistan back to a state of respected nationhood. It's important that Bin Laden be brought to justice...this needs no explanation. All armies fight with rules of engagement. This fight is no different, the support of the United Nations isn't carte blanche, and everyone is subject to the Geneva Conventions.[

This fight ( and the one in Iraq ) is different. Our enemies do not pay attention to the rules of engagement. They do not adhere to the Geneva convention. Bin Laden needs to be held accountable for what he has done, not to have his day in an American courtroom.




I doubt there are many decisions made without considering what other countries may think, or how they will react. This is basic statesmanship.

I didn't say it should be considered, HB, I said it takes a back seat to our interests.




They really are two different things. The 9/11 attacks were directly attributable to Al Quaida and their Taliban benefactors in Afghanistan. The whole world was horrified by this attack. People of many nations perished in the twin towers, indeed, 25 Canadians died there. The United Nations and Nato support the war in Afghanistan. It is and was necessary. Ask anyone, not just a Canadian, if it's a just and necessary war, and your likely answer will be: war is shitty awful business, but we need to make the sacrifice in this case. Those people need our help, and Al Quaida and their Taliban protectors cannot be allowed to flourish there.

Iraq, I feel was unnecessary. This is not to in any way diminish or denigrate the courage and sacrifice of your young men and women there...let me say that clearly. My country could not support it...could not send our troops there to participate. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I don't know why that war happened, and it had nothing to do with Canada.

In the eyes of the press, the main reason this war is different is its Obama's war, as opposed to being Bush's war. Those people may very well need our help, but no less so than did the people of Iraq.

bem401
09-03-2009, 04:24 PM
LoL if you're saying he's doing it "wrong" obviously you do think you're smarter and that you do know better. ::)

Perhaps I do then. I am interested in what is best for the US first and foremost. I'm not so sure about him.

JayATee
09-03-2009, 05:46 PM
Perhaps I do then. I am interested in what is best for the US first and foremost. I'm not so sure about him.

Ok... so??? Again, I don't see you sitting in that office. And like I said I doubt you'd be faring any better. ::)

KiwiStrawberry Splenda
09-03-2009, 05:54 PM
Once upon a time, moderation existed. Its an ancient myth, much like medicine men and jesus. But once, it was somewhat enforced. Just sayin......

bem401
09-03-2009, 06:00 PM
Ok... so??? Again, I don't see you sitting in that office. And like I said I doubt you'd be faring any better. ::)

The fact he is there doesn't make him smart. Look at Bush. Maybe I'd fare better, Maybe I wouldn't. Only time will tell whether he is doing the right thing. Obviously, we are of different opinions.

JayATee
09-03-2009, 06:06 PM
The fact he is there doesn't make him smart. Look at Bush. Maybe I'd fare better, Maybe I wouldn't. Only time will tell whether he is doing the right thing. Obviously, we are of different opinions.


You're really going to debate whether the man is smart because Bush wasn't? Let me know how that goes for you. ::)

katalinda
09-04-2009, 01:20 AM
Perhaps I do then. I am interested in what is best for the US first and foremost. I'm not so sure about him.

Is this the part where the conspiracy theories about him being an islamic terrorist come in?

Seriously, you should all just come live here in Australia. :)

Almost Jaded
09-04-2009, 12:13 PM
^That's been my plan for years now. Initially it was created as an emergency escape plan if Hillary got elected, but now I'm pretty sure I'm going to bail regardless, because this place is rapidly approaching "beyond repair" status. Frankly, even though it may take longer than I currently suspect to collapse completely, I'm not interested in being around when it does.

firemaiden04
09-04-2009, 12:24 PM
^That's been my plan for years now. Initially it was created as an emergency escape plan if Hillary got elected, but now I'm pretty sure I'm going to bail regardless, because this place is rapidly approaching "beyond repair" status. Frankly, even though it may take longer than I currently suspect to collapse completely, I'm not interested in being around when it does.

Agreed. Nobody's really giving Obama a chance, and frankly, he could be the second coming of Jesus Christ and the Republicans would still say he can't do anything right. And I just have that awful feeling that Palin is going to be elected next, and I'm not going to deal with that shit. No way in hell. This country is rapidly deteriorating, and I'm positive it's becoming overrun with ignorant conservatives, even though this country should be about tolerance and freedom. So, I think I'm going to move to either Dublin or London, and be done with it. I'm going to London at the end of this month, and I plan on checking out the place and getting a feel for what it would be like to live there.

JayATee
09-04-2009, 12:28 PM
^If Palin is elected I am moving out of the country as well. I will not live through someone worse than Bush. No way.

Almost Jaded
09-04-2009, 12:31 PM
Agreed. Nobody's really giving Obama a chance, and frankly, he could be the second coming of Jesus Christ and the Republicans would still say he can't do anything right. And I just have that awful feeling that Palin is going to be elected next, and I'm not going to deal with that shit. No way in hell. This country is rapidly deteriorating, and I'm positive it's becoming overrun with ignorant conservatives, even though this country should be about tolerance and freedom. So, I think I'm going to move to either Dublin or London, and be done with it. I'm going to London at the end of this month, and I plan on checking out the place and getting a feel for what it would be like to live there.


This post gives me hope, becuase we agree on the one hand but from opposite POV's. I think the country is rapidly going to hell in a handbag at the hands of irresponsible liberalism. And rest easy, there's no way Palin will get elected in '12.

yoda57us
09-04-2009, 02:35 PM
And I just have that awful feeling that Palin is going to be elected next, and I'm not going to deal with that shit.


^If Palin is elected I am moving out of the country as well. I will not live through someone worse than Bush. No way.


I'm not too worried about Sarah Palin at this point. Nobody likes a quitter or a cry baby. She quit the first elected office she held and managed to sound like an even bigger blithering idiot than I thought was possible while explaining why she did it. The media will keep her name alive since it gives them something to write about but she has no political clout left...

JayATee
09-04-2009, 02:37 PM
I'm not too worried about Sarah Palin at this point. Nobody likes a quitter or a cry baby. She quit the first elected office she held and managed to sound like an even bigger blithering idiot than I thought was possible while explaining why she did it. The media will keep her name alive since it gives them something to write about but she has no political clout left...

I agree completely. Just sayin'. ;)

yoda57us
09-04-2009, 04:22 PM
I agree completely. Just sayin'. ;)


Oh trust me, if she ever got elected president I would move to Canada...

miabella
09-06-2009, 08:28 PM
she shares huckabee's base, and huckabee would kneecap her like whoa in the primary, so she's no threat. she can't function if she can't flirt, and you can't flirt as your sole campaigning method (this is what kills her with many women and a sizable fraction of men).

plus, her overhyped looks are going bye-bye very quickly. and the first sign that she's had work done will nuke her among the women who adore her for her 'natural' looks after five kids. and she is a pretty vain broad.

firemaiden04
09-07-2009, 01:17 AM
she shares huckabee's base, and huckabee would kneecap her like whoa in the primary, so she's no threat. she can't function if she can't flirt, and you can't flirt as your sole campaigning method (this is what kills her with many women and a sizable fraction of men).

plus, her overhyped looks are going bye-bye very quickly. and the first sign that she's had work done will nuke her among the women who adore her for her 'natural' looks after five kids. and she is a pretty vain broad.

I don't know what the fuck happened with the Huckabee thing. He came out of nowhere. And I grew up in Arkansas, and everyone fucking hated him. He was such a racist, sexist pig, and the whole state knew it. That's actually why a lot of people voted for him, because Arkansas is certainly still a very racist, sexist place. I have no clue why none of that shit was brought up in the last race.

miabella
09-07-2009, 04:04 AM
he is a scary good campaigner who did very well on no money at all. he just needs to overcome his Catholic problem and then he will be a very formidable candidate. he has some of that bill clinton greasy talent.

i would love to see obama vs. huckabee for 2012. that election would be a mile a minute thrill ride.

Almost Jaded
09-07-2009, 12:43 PM
I will not live through someone worse than Bush. No way.

I missed this earlier. At the risk of starting something ugly - which is not my intent - I can say with some degree of certainty that you are already doing so, along with the rest of us. The media isn't as eager to point out his mistakes and flaws, but in a couple years when all the damage he's doing comes to bear, it'll be pretty obvious. :shakes head:

JayATee
09-07-2009, 12:48 PM
I missed this earlier. At the risk of starting something ugly - which is not my intent - I can say with some degree of certainty that you are already doing so, along with the rest of us. The media isn't as eager to point out his mistakes and flaws, but in a couple years when all the damage he's doing comes to bear, it'll be pretty obvious. :shakes head:

AJ, I normally agree with most of what you say, but Obama isn't the anti-christ doll. Give him a chance would you? He may surprise you. It's insulting to compare him to that retarded idiot, or say that he's worse somehow. It's only been EIGHT MONTHS.

Almost Jaded
09-07-2009, 04:26 PM
And in EIGHT MONTHS he's done more damage than the stupid idiot (a media image, he was inarticulate for sure but not stupid) did in 8 years. I don't want to argue with you, but as sick as you are of people coming down on him, I'm sick of people saying to give him more time and whatnot. WHY? When someone sucks ass for 8 months and makes a mess, it's NOT an indication that they're going to get BETTER at the job. Please look at that objectively!

hockeybobby
09-07-2009, 04:33 PM
And in EIGHT MONTHS he's done more damage than the stupid idiot (a media image, he was inarticulate for sure but not stupid) did in 8 years. I don't want to argue with you, but as sick as you are of people coming down on him, I'm sick of people saying to give him more time and whatnot. WHY? When someone sucks ass for 8 months and makes a mess, it's NOT an indication that they're going to get BETTER at the job. Please look at that objectively!

What's this mess that Obama supposedly made? I'm keen to know.

Elvia
09-07-2009, 04:40 PM
^^^ I've been wondering that too.

miabella
09-07-2009, 05:25 PM
the mess he's made is not being a rich middle aged or old white guy running the country. it would be fine if mccain were doing the exact same things because it's ok for a white welfare king (which mccain is, having sucked at the government boob plus nepotism his entire life in one way or another) to enact more socialism in the US, but not for a black guy who actually earned his way to do so.

republicans like socialism when their guy is suggesting it. bush passed a ton of similar crap and repub-types were all spooging with joy. obama does the same stuff, and he's hitler junior or something. that expensive bailout that BUSH pushed through took a lot of republican votes to pass, but we'll just sweep that under the rug i guess.

JayATee
09-07-2009, 07:07 PM
What's this mess that Obama supposedly made? I'm keen to know.

I assume we're speaking of the stimulus package (which was on it's way to being passed anyway), and the impending health care reform.

Though quite frankly, if I were to accuse Obama of anything, it would be the serious LACK of doing ANYTHING, mess or no.

firemaiden04
09-07-2009, 08:25 PM
I assume we're speaking of the stimulus package (which was on it's way to being passed anyway), and the impending health care reform.

Though quite frankly, if I were to accuse Obama of anything, it would be the serious LACK of doing ANYTHING, mess or no.

Yeah, I kind of wish he had the guts to really fight for the health care reform, instead of just slowly negotiating around the edges. I mean, health care is a basic human right. This is something people should be passionate about. Even if the Republicans shoot him down and he's not re-elected, it's better that he really stood up for what he believed in, and set a precedent, than just mildly accept defeat.

JayATee
09-07-2009, 10:08 PM
And in EIGHT MONTHS he's done more damage than the stupid idiot (a media image, he was inarticulate for sure but not stupid) did in 8 years. I don't want to argue with you, but as sick as you are of people coming down on him, I'm sick of people saying to give him more time and whatnot. WHY? When someone sucks ass for 8 months and makes a mess, it's NOT an indication that they're going to get BETTER at the job. Please look at that objectively!

AJ, man, seriously, Obama hasn't done anything. Like I said, that would be my main gripe. You're seriously gonna sit there and tell me Bush's stupidity was just a media image?? You can't really believe this. I don't understand your seething hatred for a man who has yet to make one official act as president (with the exception of signing into effect a stimulus plan which he can't even take credit for because it was drafted and pretty much passed before he got into office). He's sucked ass? How so? The economy has the potential to turn around, he will be will be withdrawing troops from Iraq, he is lobbying for major health care reform (whether or not you like the plan). And all of these changes are supposedly on the horizon and haven't happened yet. So what mess has been made? I'd ask you to look at it just as objectively instead of only with your obvious anti-Obama attitude.

bem401
09-08-2009, 05:24 AM
You're really going to debate whether the man is smart because Bush wasn't? Let me know how that goes for you. ::)

I don't know how you deduced this from my statement. Bush was President and he wasn't too bright. Now, Obama is President and guess what? He isn't too bright either. These two facts have nothing to do with each other. Intelligence isn't a prerequisite for the job and both of these men should be thankful for that. All that's needed is good PR and scads of money.

vmurphy252
09-08-2009, 05:45 AM
^She was responding to Almost Jaded...

bem401
09-08-2009, 06:12 AM
^She was responding to Almost Jaded...

Post #408. She quoted me when making the statement.

bem401
09-08-2009, 06:16 AM
Is this the part where the conspiracy theories about him being an islamic terrorist come in?

Seriously, you should all just come live here in Australia. :)

Never said he was either an Islamist or a terrorist. Merely said what he was doing was not, IMO, in America's best interests. Rather discuss the issues on their merits you employ the strategy of putting words in my mouth and making them the issue.

bem401
09-08-2009, 06:18 AM
It's only been EIGHT MONTHS.

That's exactly why it is so scary. He's put the country further in the hole fiscally speaking in 8 months than Bush did in 8 years. And that's before healthcare. Those of us who disagree with him find it necessary to try to "stop the bleeding" now. if we wait too long, there'll be nothing left.

princessjas
09-08-2009, 06:48 AM
Another completely off topic thread is just begging me to post!

It is seriously laughable to me that anyone could attempt to compare Bush's intelligence to Obama's. Bush = Moron who makes up words. Even the die-hard Repubs I'm surrounded with admit Bush was an idiot and Obama is much smarter. They think he's the anti-christ, but still admit he's not an idiot. ;D

Now, I'll leave this one alone cause I don't wanna argue policy, that's where it gets really messy. :P

xdamage
09-08-2009, 08:48 AM
I guess what has people worried (and it should) is that the war in Iraq and Afghanistan have added an additional 1 Trillion dollars in debt, plus an immeasurable amount of bad will against our country, and tremendous loss of life, immeasurable pain. What people like AJ are talking about (I think) is already another Trillion or more in debt has been added, this time arguably for a better cause.

The main problem with debt is two fold:

1.) Our minds have not evolved to understand what 1 Trillion means. We simply have no innate sense of how much money this is. We vaguely sense it is a big, but not how big. And when a country is already in debt for 6 Trillion, how much more can 7 be?

2.) An individual's or countries debt is something like a house of cards. A certain amount can be carried, up to a point, and then suddenly a bifurcation point can be reached, and then suddenly... the cards topple. We can't conceive of it because nothing like that has yet happened to us, but it is possible we wake up one day, our creditors world-wide start panicking, one by one, and within weeks we see the value of the American dollar plummet to lows we can't fathom. Over night we would become a 3rd world country.

Of course doing nothing can also result in a slower, but sudden realization world-wide that the US is failing, it could happen even if we don't try to mortgage our way out.

The hard question is, and the economists remain split, do you keep stacking up cards (in hopes the house won't tumble? and one day you can remove cards?) hoping for a quick recovery (but risking reaching the bifurcation point which does exist), or do you stop, take your hurts now and let the economy improve slowly (I mean over multiple decades) by cutting wasteful spending, changing laws and programs to encourage this country to rebuild it's foundational nature (e.g., make it desirable to do business here again in science, technology, innovation)?

I honestly don't know what the right answer is. There are just too many variables and truthfully nobody knows for sure.

bem401
09-08-2009, 09:28 AM
Another completely off topic thread is just begging me to post!

It is seriously laughable to me that anyone could attempt to compare Bush's intelligence to Obama's. Bush = Moron who makes up words. Even the die-hard Repubs I'm surrounded with admit Bush was an idiot and Obama is much smarter. They think he's the anti-christ, but still admit he's not an idiot. ;D

Now, I'll leave this one alone cause I don't wanna argue policy, that's where it gets really messy. :P


Obama speaks better than Bush. I would not argue that for a minute. But when he is off the teleprompter, he's far from impressive. Think about some of his off the cuff comments : 57 states ( that's as bad as making up words ), we can solve the fuel crisis by properly inflating our tires, the fact that UPS and FedEx outperform the USPS is a reason the government should take over healthcare.

The fact is we don't know how smart Obama may or may not be. He won't release his transcripts. The toughest thing about the schools he attended is getting in. Trust me, I graduated from such a school. And saying he's smarter than Bush when you think Bush is a moron is not necessarily saying he's smart either.

I don't think he's the anti-christ though, because I'd expect the anti-christ to be smarter.

JayATee
09-08-2009, 10:54 AM
I don't know how you deduced this from my statement. Bush was President and he wasn't too bright. Now, Obama is President and guess what? He isn't too bright either. These two facts have nothing to do with each other. Intelligence isn't a prerequisite for the job and both of these men should be thankful for that. All that's needed is good PR and scads of money.


"The fact that he is there (referring to Obama) doesn't make him smart. Look at Bush."

With the exception of the parenthesis those are your exact words. So tell me how I misinterpreted what you wrote. You're saying that you don't have to be smart to be president because Bush wasn't. That's how I deduced that from your statment. ::)

JayATee
09-08-2009, 11:00 AM
That's exactly why it is so scary. He's put the country further in the hole fiscally speaking in 8 months than Bush did in 8 years. And that's before healthcare. Those of us who disagree with him find it necessary to try to "stop the bleeding" now. if we wait too long, there'll be nothing left.


If you're only going to pick and choose certain words or phrases from my paragraph long posts Im not going to respond any longer. READ everything else I wrote besides the "it's only been eight months". Otherwise you can debate yourself. I wrote entirely too much for it all to be ignored so you can continue to argue your narrow minded point of view.

vmurphy252
09-08-2009, 11:01 AM
Post #408. She quoted me when making the statement.
Sorry

Almost Jaded
09-08-2009, 11:08 AM
Obama fans accuse me of being hateful and anti-Obama. I'm called pro-Bush for the single reason that I didn't buy into the media slander campaign against him. Both statements are incorrect, though not for the reasons people think.

Look at the country through, say, Reagan. Up until that point, there were factions all over the U.S. with different agenda's, as tends to be the case. There was a Conservative platform and a Liberal platform. They stood for something. The two party system sucked, but it wasn't' quite so crippling as there were plenty of truly independent candidates for congress and Prez from both parties. The radical liberal and/or socialist control of education and media wasn't yet complete. Anti-American sentiment was certainly present around the world - always will be to a point - but the really bad stuff was reserved for the extremists.

Reagan was for the most part a great President. There were mistakes and there were seeds planted, but by and large he was pretty even handed. His policies and manipulations - and a few really good appointments - set up our economy to recover and grow as never seen before. Mind you, there were people carefully "assisting" in these policies, who stood to be the ones running high on this hog.

Enter Bush the first. People called him "more of the same", but they were wrong. He brought a personal agenda, and worse, he was connected to "them" in a much deeper fashion than Reagan. Oil money and quiet international investment consortiums, etc. What he really did was pave the way for a radical change. He got America ready to elect Clinton, a move "they" were waiting for.

Bill Clinton did more damage to America in 8 years than anyone has effectively quantified to date. The seeds of distrust and anger toward America that Reagan and Bush had planted with military action and strong handed international policy, Clinton magnified hundreds of times over, brought that hatred to the smaller people, the general populations of small countries who didn't give a damn before. Reform policies pushed through the UN and championed as "right movements" caused a deep seated resentment of America that made fertile breeding ground for radical recruiting. Back at home, he played the media like a master musician - not that he had to try all that hard, seeing as they wanted to keep him around anyway. All while taking credit for the economic bloom that his predecessors had set in motion - and making a few changes that would ensure the progression that the people behind him were after.

Enter Bush 2. If you think he was stupid, you're blind. A puppet - sure. But far from stupid. He was handed a mess. People don't think so, because everything was so great under Clinton! No, Bush was handed what Clinton had done and wouldn't be around to be held responsible for. Like 9//11. Like an economy on a roller-coaster. And that mess landed in the hands - not of someone too stupid to fix it like everyone thinks, but of someone who had no intention of fixing it. A puppet.

Enter Obama. The cleaner. Not in a "going to fix it" way, in the "this is the guy you call to kill everyone and hide it all while erasing all traces of your involvement" way. The Wolfman from Pulp Fiction. The creepy dude with glasses in Point of No Return. THAT cleaner. His purpose is to seal the deal. To take all the work that has been done up until now and bring it all together. Basically, to make sure that when he's done, America cannot possibly recover in any way that will allow it to operate as it used too as a nation, as a people, and especially as a superpower.

I'm not a Bush lover, I'm not an Obama hater, I'm not right or left. I want you all to open you fucking eyes before it's too late.

Yes, everything here was a gross oversimplification. Yes, Congress and other factors play in everything, as does the American public (to a far lesser degree than you might think) and many other things. But the overlying themes and matters are what I'm painting here. This isn't BS spouted by a conspiracy theorist. These are things I know.

bem401
09-09-2009, 05:29 AM
"The fact that he is there (referring to Obama) doesn't make him smart. Look at Bush."

With the exception of the parenthesis those are your exact words. So tell me how I misinterpreted what you wrote. You're saying that you don't have to be smart to be president because Bush wasn't. That's how I deduced that from your statment. ::)

You seemed to be implying Obama must be smart because he is President. I merely used Bush to point out that one can be President and not particularly bright, a category I think Obama falls in as well.

bem401
09-09-2009, 05:37 AM
If you're only going to pick and choose certain words or phrases from my paragraph long posts Im not going to respond any longer. READ everything else I wrote besides the "it's only been eight months". Otherwise you can debate yourself. I wrote entirely too much for it all to be ignored so you can continue to argue your narrow minded point of view.

I was referring to your contention that, somehow or other, 8 months is too short a period to gauge the direction in which he wants to take us. More damage has already been done by his actions than Bush did in his entire time in office, with promises of more to come. Our kids and grandkids are going to end up footing the bill for his reckless spending ( something Bush was also guilty of but not nearly of the same magnitude ).

yoda57us
09-10-2009, 09:22 AM
I would like to thank all of you folks for providing me with the perfect cure for my insomnia. A few minutes of reading this thread puts me right to sleep....:sleep:

firemaiden04
09-10-2009, 02:55 PM
I was referring to your contention that, somehow or other, 8 months is too short a period to gauge the direction in which he wants to take us. More damage has already been done by his actions than Bush did in his entire time in office, with promises of more to come. Our kids and grandkids are going to end up footing the bill for his reckless spending ( something Bush was also guilty of but not nearly of the same magnitude ).

All right, that's it. *Ignore.*

JayATee
09-10-2009, 03:50 PM
You seemed to be implying Obama must be smart because he is President. I merely used Bush to point out that one can be President and not particularly bright, a category I think Obama falls in as well.

Nope, that's not what I was saying And besides that argument is irrelvant bc Bush's smarts (or lack there of) has nothing to do with Obama. ::)

I was referring to your contention that, somehow or other, 8 months is too short a period to gauge the direction in which he wants to take us. More damage has already been done by his actions than Bush did in his entire time in office, with promises of more to come. Our kids and grandkids are going to end up footing the bill for his reckless spending ( something Bush was also guilty of but not nearly of the same magnitude ).

If you believe this your'e dillusional and Im now done talking to you about it. People like you and the fact that you vote scare me.

bem401
09-10-2009, 04:03 PM
If you believe this your'e dillusional and Im now done talking to you about it. People like you and the fact that you vote scare me.

Likewise, but I was trying not to personalize the discussion. I just find everything about Obama ominous.

Earl_the_Pearl
09-10-2009, 07:57 PM
OK that's it; I placing every member of SW on ignore. Especially those that have put on weight. :wave:

vmurphy252
09-11-2009, 06:32 AM
^Seriously?

shift_6x
09-11-2009, 07:09 AM
legalization of prostitution=end(slow burn out) of SCs

i dont support it

MarvelGirl
09-11-2009, 07:47 AM
legalization of prostitution=end(slow burn out) of SCs



Explain Nevada.