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Melonie
08-26-2009, 12:42 PM
I just don't see where governments have much say in the matter. There is the concept of self-responsibility.

It is gov't employees, from the federal DOE to state DOE's ( i.e. New York's board of Regents ) to the NEA, as well as gov't employee college deans and high school principals in lesser degree, who set or change curricula and criteria for passing versus failing. While I didn't want to go into detail earlier, it was in fact these gov't employees ( undoubtedly under pressure from the politicians who control their budgets ) who have been responsible for 'watering down' both high school and college curricula and testing standards over the past decade which has now led to a perceived 'second tier' status for state college degrees. The pressure of course was based on earlier statistics that showed a comparatively large number of inner city / minority students were flunking out.

I don't know whether you meant it or not, but the concept of self-responsibility should have been left standing i.e. continue to offer the same standards of difficulty for curricula and testing, and if a comparatively large number of poorly prepared inner city / minority students couldn't master the curricula and pass the tests then those consequences should have been accepted without complaint. Of course, in reality, a large number of complaints arose ... most of which involved supposed racial discrimination ... thus politicians brought pressure to bear and the curricula / testing criteria was 'watered down' to insure that a certain number of inner city / minority students passed and graduated. But as a consequence, the same 'watered down' curricula / testing criteria also 'devalued' the public college degree obtained by those students who could have also passed under the original curricula / testing criteria.

Earl_the_Pearl
08-26-2009, 05:49 PM
I don't know whether you meant it or not, but the concept of self-responsibility should have been left standing i.e. continue to offer the same standards of difficulty for curricula and testing, and if a comparatively large number of poorly prepared inner city / minority students couldn't master the curricula and pass the tests then those consequences should have been accepted without complaint. Of course, in reality, a large number of complaints arose ... most of which involved supposed racial discrimination ... thus politicians brought pressure to bear and the curricula / testing criteria was 'watered down' to insure that a certain number of inner city / minority students passed and graduated.
What happened was B.S. (bull shit) courses were added for women, minorities and athletes. In New Jersey, at least, a BS form a state school will get one a six figure income wile a degree in women’s studies or theory of why a basketball has air will not.

threlayer
08-30-2009, 09:31 AM
Sports have been big at many , many campuses for a long time (though maybe not as much at 2 year colleges). Greek societies have long been, well, at least controversal. Easy courses have always been around, though some of the courses (matriculated ones) more recently have pretty silly titles. Also easy mail-order degrees have been around along time. In our age of crass commercialism, the availability of these degrees have watered down the efforts of those who took the high road and worked hard for their degrees. But that also is the case with many things I see in our quote society unquote now -- from official phantom diseases, past 'bipartisanism, right thru to tv "news".

Since HR Departments have largely been gven the job of culling resumes, the difficulty of matching people with jobs has gone downhill very fast. But there are so many shotgun resumes that it is very difficult to give the rational, directed ones justice. What is difficult for grads is getting to the hiring manager and thus bypassing the HR digital filter. For those experienced graduated workers, HR departments that mostly go by the exact specs of the job pretty much do a dis-service to the hirng managers by not giving them enough leeway to make compromises. So a lot of problems with graduatesd and experienced people lies in the HR "state-of-the-art" which isat a pretty dismal level IMHO.

Bobboganush
09-06-2009, 08:46 PM
It is ALWAYS a good idea to get an eduction. Schools too often these days sell themselves as being able to provide you with specific courses that are going to tell you how to do specific jobs, but the truth is a that a good program will train you how to think for yourself. Its like a muscle in that sense. And the myth that a liberal arts education will bring you less money is also a myth. The world is always looking for people who can THINK. Business school? I am certain that most of the women on this site could teach in an ivy league business school.

A college education is not the same as going to a trade or vocational school. It should be approached as a way of expanding your view on the world. Education is the great equalizer. Thats why the New York Post and the rich dont want the poor to go to school.