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jack0177057
07-10-2009, 08:10 AM
You really don't get it do you? Background info is okay. It's when it gets repeated over and over, and for reasons which appear to add little substance and seem more about chest pounding. Yes, you posted it in one thread ... no less than FOUR times!

I have made as many self-deprecating posts as I have "chest-pounding" posts... I've mentioned my insecurities often on this forum,... that is not what braggarts do.

I've told dancers that, even with a lawyer's salary, I cannot afford their hourly VIP rates (which are a lot higher than my hourly rate)... Is this "chest-pounding"?

I've mentioned my bio to draw similarities with dancers, because I also have to pretend to like my clients, even if I secretly despise them. My point was that dancers are not the only ones that do this.

Many people here post background information... about law school, med school, nursing school, etc... Is your self-esteem really so low that these things cause you resentment? Or, is it just me?


I have actually tried not to be vindictive and link all of your past posts.

Yes, you are vindictive... And that's why you deleted your post the first time... Because, even you knew you were going too far... Of all the threads you could have used to raise this issue... You picked this life support "crisis" one... where you thought the most damage could be inflicted... If you were really trying to "help" you should have PM'd me, and I would have taken your comment under consideration...

The whole point of this thread was to express that I am not happy with my "bio" and it has not given me personal satisfaction... You jumped at the opportunity to kick me while I'm down... and hoped that others would respond to your invitation to do the same...

You are a sad person Verf... If you just admitted this is what you tried to, I'd respect you for fessing up to it and get past it...

No harm done,... despite your best efforts,... I'm done wasting time with you...

princessjas
07-10-2009, 08:15 AM
Verf and Jack...seriously, I like both of you guys, but you are acting like little boys! Cut it out! If you must continue your pissiness can't you do it by PM? Everyone knows you don't like each other by now! No need to keep publically throwing rocks or sticking your tongue out at the other.

jack0177057
07-10-2009, 08:23 AM
Verf and Jack...seriously, I like both of you guys, but you are acting like little boys! Cut it out! If you must continue your pissiness can't you do it by PM? Everyone knows you don't like each other by now! No need to keep publically throwing rocks or sticking your tongue out at the other.

Sorry Jas,... I'm done... unless he starts, again...

commanderadama
07-10-2009, 08:27 AM
There were slaves and female oppression when the U.S. Constitution was written, too... Should we toss that away, also?

Obviously you're not a constitutional lawyer. Ummm... There are these things called Amendments that have pretty much thrown out that original document. Thus the genius of it. Providing means to make it change with time is the core of the document that holds our great nation together.


Go back and re-read the excerpt I posted from Aristotle's Politics and tell me why that reasoning does not apply today...

I know it, and I understand it in it's historical context, which you apparently do not. As I said before about 80% of the Athenian population was chattel. Saying that the middle class of an Elite 20% compares to anything in modern culture is ludicrous.


Just look at the world today... Countries with the largest middle class are the most stable and civilized... Countries with a small or non-existent middle class are the most unstable... The middle class keeps the other two classes in check... Without the middle class... the rich will oppress the poor unchecked, until the poor get tired of it and start a bloody revolution...

The middle class as we know it today is a creation of the various governments. Through various labor laws and collective bargaining agreements. Which is why socialism is the dominant economic system in the world.


More proof? Just look at Enron, Wordcom, AIG, Madoff... etc. It's middle class prosecutors at the Dept. of Justice that prosecute the upper class egomaniacs... It's also middle class prosecutors in the DA's office that prosecute low class criminals... Take away the middle class and you have complete chaos and turmoil... Just like Aristotle predicted... Without the help of the middle class, the poor cannot protect themselves from the oppression of the rich, except through the most brutal violence...

The people behind Enron and Worldcom were low class scum, crooks. AIG were idiotic elites gambling huge sums of money on idiotic bets because "everyone was doing it". Bets the regulators are still trying to figure out because of previous administrations lazaire fair attitude towards the financial markets. Madoff is a kind of hero to me, proving once and for all that idiots are the prevalent people in all classes. LOL

And your point is wrong, most legislators and prosecutors are from the upper classes. Unlike the middle classes, they are less selfish and see public service as a duty. BTW Paul says he's ID'd nine classes in the USA... You should read his book, you might learn something. Oops forgot, you're middle class, so you don't read books. LOL

princessjas
07-10-2009, 08:31 AM
Sorry Jas,... I'm done... unless he starts, again...

Tsk, tsk, tsk! (I'm shaking my virtual finger at you!) You guys need a referee worse than my 2 boys and they are only 2 & 5. Don't make me put my mommy hat on! ;D :bullwhip:

vmurphy252
07-10-2009, 08:36 AM
^As long as that's ALL you have on...}:D

jack0177057
07-10-2009, 09:04 AM
Obviously you're not a constitutional lawyer. Ummm... There are these things called Amendments that have pretty much thrown out that original document. Thus the genius of it. Providing means to make it change with time is the core of the document that holds our great nation together.

You think the U.S. Constitution has been "thrown out"?... Interesting... Did your prophet Paul say that in his Holy book?

jack0177057
07-10-2009, 09:07 AM
Tsk, tsk, tsk! (I'm shaking my virtual finger at you!) You guys need a referee worse than my 2 boys and they are only 2 & 5. Don't make me put my mommy hat on! ;D :bullwhip:

Is there any "discipline" involved?

fast tan77
07-10-2009, 11:17 AM
Then you definitely definitely wouldn't like me IRL. :D

Actually it's all eye make up. Her lips are blood red, her eye shadow is a deep indigo blue with black scroll work down her face. You don't see her eyes (irises) at all. It's too bad it came out so small she's actually quite beautiful.
. }:D

Man has got to face his fears!!! My mortage and car payments scare the hell out of me too but I face them ever month.

Maybe one day you can attack me in a good way and change those dreams LOL.

JayATee
07-10-2009, 11:32 AM
Man has got to face his fears!!! My mortage and car payments scare the hell out of me too but I face them ever month.

Maybe one day you can attack me in a good way and change those dreams LOL.

This is very true. Give in to it. You might like it. ;)

stressed
07-10-2009, 11:37 AM
This is very true. Give in to it. You might like it. ;)


Another one succumbing to the darkside, go ahead fast tan 77. It will only hurt a little.}:D

commanderadama
07-10-2009, 11:59 AM
You think the U.S. Constitution has been "thrown out"?... Interesting... Did your prophet Paul say that in his Holy book?

Yes, if you're actually a lawyer you would know that. Hell they basically changed the whole thing soon after, heard of the first ten Amendments aka the bill of rights? Of Course they didn't apply to everyone until the 14th and 19th Amendments And Even then these protections were routinely ignored. Hell segregation didn't end until well after Brown vs Board was handed down.

Also Congress has made so many laws since the nations creation the founding fathers would find their country rather strange.

And don't get me started on what the "patriot act" has done to the nation.

jack0177057
07-10-2009, 12:25 PM
Yes, if you're actually a lawyer you would know that. Hell they basically changed the whole thing soon after, heard of the first ten Amendments aka the bill of rights? Of Course they didn't apply to everyone until the 14th and 19th Amendments And Even then these protections were routinely ignored. Hell segregation didn't end until well after Brown vs Board was handed down.

Do you even know what's in the original U.S. Constitution? It sets forth our structure of government, which has not changed.

The Bill of Right were adopted shortly after the original Constitution and during a period when there was slavery, female oppression, etc... so it doesn't prove your point.... And it didn't change the U.S. Constitution, it just added to it.

With regards to the rest of the amendments, there is a debate between strict constructionist, like Justice Scalia (and very few others), and those that believe the U.S. Constitution is a "living, breathing" and evolving document... You are, with Scalia, in a very small minority that believe it is a stale document.

Amendments are part of our "checks and balances". When the justices on the U.S. Supreme Court are to slow to recognize the "evolution" of the U.S. Constitution, the legislative branch forces them to get caught up with the adoption of an Amendment... This should not be necessary (and rarely happens), but only occurs when the U.S. Supreme Court "gets it wrong"... or when no case has been before the Supreme Court on that particular issue, and it can't wait... So "Amendments" don't really change the U.S. Constitution, they just interpret it...

holly07
07-10-2009, 01:03 PM
Jack , your welcome. Glad to have been of some help.

JayATee
07-10-2009, 01:10 PM
Verf and Jack...seriously, I like both of you guys, but you are acting like little boys! Cut it out! If you must continue your pissiness can't you do it by PM? Everyone knows you don't like each other by now! No need to keep publically throwing rocks or sticking your tongue out at the other.

The same thing for you and commanderadama, Jack. What is with you guys? Do you HAVE to play who has the bigger dick???

vmurphy252
07-10-2009, 01:12 PM
^Yeah, especially since it's me.

vmurphy252
07-10-2009, 01:12 PM
^Sorry, my male ego was feeling neglected.

jack0177057
07-10-2009, 01:17 PM
The same thing for you and commanderadama, Jack. What is with you guys? Do you HAVE to play who has the bigger dick???

You're right JayATee... I'll stop... 'Cause I know I do...

commanderadama
07-10-2009, 02:11 PM
Do you even know what's in the original U.S. Constitution? It sets forth our structure of government, which has not changed.

Yes but apparently you do not.


The Bill of Right were adopted shortly after the original Constitution and during a period when there was slavery, female oppression, etc... so it doesn't prove your point.... And it didn't change the U.S. Constitution, it just added to it.

1791 to be exact and while you're right about them not changing the structure of the Government (later ones would). They sure changed how it could Govern, drastically! Which was my point.


With regards to the rest of the amendments, there is a debate between strict constructionist, like Justice Scalia (and very few others), and those that believe the U.S. Constitution is a "living, breathing" and evolving document... You are, with Scalia, in a very small minority that believe it is a stale document.

LOL I absolutely loath Scalia, he's the worst Justice in the courts history, IMO. I don't mind liberal or conservative Judges. I just hate Judges that make shit up as they go along to suite their own agenda. See Courting Disaster by Martin Garbus.


Amendments are part of our "checks and balances". When the justices on the U.S. Supreme Court are to slow to recognize the "evolution" of the U.S. Constitution, the legislative branch forces them to get caught up with the adoption of an Amendment... This should not be necessary (and rarely happens), but only occurs when the U.S. Supreme Court "gets it wrong"... or when no case has been before the Supreme Court on that particular issue, and it can't wait... So "Amendments" don't really change the U.S. Constitution, they just interpret it...

Now I'm absolutely convinced you're not a lawyer. The Amendments are part of the Constitution and hold just as much power as any other part of the Constitution! Which is why they had to pass the 21st to negate the 18th. BTW, Checks and Balances are in the First Three Articles that delegate powers to the three branches of Government. Although the Congress is the most powerful of the three branches as the other Two Answer to it. Which is why Article One Takes up the most space. 8)

jack0177057
07-10-2009, 02:24 PM
^^^ I'm going to follow JayATee's advice...

You don't know what you are talking about... But, if you want to continue this debate, you can either PM me or start a new thread on Constitutional Law and we'll resume the debate there...

Cyril
07-10-2009, 06:39 PM
Mmm.... tease! Since your wife is pregnant now I can't even get you here this fall! You don't play fair!



Stop being an idiot and I will.




Shut up.

Suit yourself. If you want a high blood pressure go ahead. But I still think that metaphor was not worth you getting all riled up.

BlueSkies
07-11-2009, 07:49 AM
My two cents worth. I would not go back to college, I was forced back to school at 37 due to job loss and the kids there will not give you a second look and you will not fit in. Becoming a professor would be a great idea though. Some other suggestions, cut your work schedule, do some volunteer work, take some classes at a community college for fun, and get in touch with some of your former classmates/friends to expand your social network. I think you'll enjoy your life more this way.

bluelight
07-16-2009, 01:53 AM
I would make some changes in my life. Take on a challenging new hobby. Start something that challenges your mind and forces you to grow as a person, gives you self-fulfillment. That would do it for me.

The way I see it, college was a challenge and an adventure at the same time. You can find things beyond college that can make you feel the same way.

I hope you get what I'm saying, I hope it really helps :)

jack0177057
07-16-2009, 12:54 PM
Thanks BlueSkies and Bluelight...

Classes at community college and challenging new hobbies are great ideas... I've actually looked at the local community college's course listing in the psychology area because that interests me, but I couldn't fit anything into my schedule this semester... Maybe next semester.

As far as a challenging new hobby, I bought a windsurfing board last year and want to learn to ride it really bad, but haven't found anyone nearby to teach me. I've scheduled classes with someone 2 hours away, but have had to cancel them both times... But, I need to do it... That will be a lot of fun...

vmurphy252
07-16-2009, 01:05 PM
^Have to say, just knowing the wife's pregnant for a week has changed my perspective on life priorities... just sayin'.

xdamage
07-16-2009, 02:55 PM
As far as a challenging new hobby, I bought a windsurfing board last year and want to learn to ride it really bad, but haven't found anyone nearby to teach me. I've scheduled classes with someone 2 hours away, but have had to cancel them both times... But, I need to do it... That will be a lot of fun...

Doubtful you need a teacher. The basic premise can be learned by googling, and after that just practice till you train your muscle and mind (like riding a bike). Remember most of us learned how to surf without waiting for teacher. We just went and did it. Talked to a few other people for tips and we fell a lot while learning. Your inclination might be, I need a teacher, but by trying to learn on your own, it might help you to break out of the comfort zone?

jack0177057
07-16-2009, 04:18 PM
^^^ Seriously, I can do without a teacher?... The guy who is supposed to teach me gives four-hour lessons (his shortest class) and made it sound very difficult to learn...

Will any lake do?

xdamage
07-16-2009, 05:07 PM
^^^ Seriously, I can do without a teacher?... The guy who is supposed to teach me gives four-hour lessons (his shortest class) and made it sound very difficult to learn...

Will any lake do?

/shrug

To me I'd say what would be in it for a teacher to tell others "you can learn this on your own if you want?" His interest is in promoting his teaching business. Not in having others believe he is useless.

Don't know. I prefer self teaching. I guess it depends on you.

Like I taught myself how to sail a small boat by just renting a small boat and doing it because I wanted too. Wasn't super hard to get the basic idea. Same with surfing. I just started on days that had little wind/waves.

If you google it you'll find plenty of sites with 1 page how-tos and plenty of videos which will show people doing it.

To me figuring it out is the fun part. I guess it depends on how you learn. If it was learning how to fly a plane and the risk is death, yea, I'd get a teacher. When the risk is personal embarrassment or a few bangs and bruises I can figure it out on my own.

But oh ya... your a lawyer! Usual disclaimer applies... whatever you choose the responsibility is ALL yours (self injury is one possible outcome of taking risks) ;)

jack0177057
07-17-2009, 07:55 AM
^^^ Good points. I think I will give self-teaching a try.