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cyberstripper
07-22-2009, 12:40 PM
The thing is, if you happen to do a lapdance for a vice cop in Vegas, even if you do everything right, the way the laws are written you can still get ticketed. You can get ticketed for literally anything.

And perhaps I'm a bit cynical but I'm also going to point out that if a vice cop has a bee in his bonnet and you happen to be in his way, he can simply make something up and write you a ticket, and you can't prove you're innocent. It's bullshit. The one comfort is that there are SO MANY girls in Vegas, the chances of it happening to you are fairly slim.


True I know it is a very fine line, and quite scary to think about! But these ladies were obviously doing much more then just giving lapdances. If you are doing much more then giving dances, you should always be paranoid, because anyone can be vice. Vice are like people with STD's LOL you cannot tell what is on the inside from the outside. Now how's that for an analogy? Be careful girls!

xdamage
07-22-2009, 12:44 PM
The thing is, if you happen to do a lapdance for a vice cop in Vegas, even if you do everything right, the way the laws are written you can still get ticketed. You can get ticketed for literally anything.

In 2006:

In a 5-2 decision, the [Nevada] Supreme Court upheld the Las Vegas ordinance that prohibits exotic dancers from fondling or caressing patrons with the intent to sexually arouse. It prevents customers from doing the same to dancers.

Neato. Basically leaves the option wide open to arrest dancers (customers too but they rarely if ever do) for contact lap dances. There is nothing obvious to prevent the abuse of power except wishful thinking that vice will always use reasonable judgment, but technically a lot of people are in violation of the law. Lame on every level.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-22-2009, 02:58 PM
okay please dont flame me .... i do know it is terrible for the SC business. Still not sure they should have their lives destroyed over it though.
When is management going to get busted for facilitating prostitution? I don't believe for one second that they "know nothing, nothing". It's all a political B.S. show and the only losers are the dancers.

Almost Jaded
07-22-2009, 03:16 PM
Earl - of course management "knows", but tey don't "know". They aren't facilitating it, they're just pretending they don't know - and not just when the cops are there. When you get a couple of regulars who spend thousands in the club and frequent "those girls", maybe the cameras aren't manned right then because someone has to be at the door or something. Bad? Yes. Common in almost every club in Vegas? Yep there are very few where SOME of that does'nt go down. Scores was the only 100% clea club I've ever sseen - andeven there, some girls pushed the limits (and were usually banned from the club).

Example - one of them as stated before stole one of MissMynxx's regulars - who was there every couple of weeks and dropped an average of $1,000 to $2,000 a night on VIP's with her and others. She offered him oral for the same $$ that he regularly tipped MM for VIP sets. He was appalled the first time she approached him. After a couple more visits, she caught him on a bad day and a weak moment. He stopped buying dances from other girls, and soon 3 of the girls from that bust - and one who wasn't caught that night bacause she was gone - were his new regular girls.

I won't stick up for management there TOO much though, as recently they've really been letting girls down. Last week one of our freinds was "touched" - and I mean "TOUCHED" onstage my a customer, and the GM didn't even have the guy removed, told her to "get over it". No joke. That's a change from how they've run the place in the past - despite THOSE girls, the Vu here was a pretty decent club. THE DANCER IN question now dances at Sapphire full time instead only weekends despite the outrageous door fees - at least they enforce security on the girls behalf!

xdamage
07-22-2009, 03:18 PM
When is management going to get busted for facilitating prostitution? I don't believe for one second that they "know nothing, nothing". It's all a political B.S. show and the only losers are the dancers.

Yea, like where are the 13 violation charges against the club? As ICs they carry the risk alone, but yea, I don't believe it either. I believe their primary motivation is their own bottom line (just normal good old human behavior) so they look the other way or even encourage anything that will increase revenue. If they are getting a cut of the VIP time, or even just additional house fees, and carrying no risks, of course they know.

MissMynxx
07-22-2009, 10:02 PM
Just to poke my head in here - there was some curiosity as to where the girls at my club were from.

All of the girls, to my knowledge, were indeed local. Like I said, I saw one of them here recently looking for jobs. Several of the others I've heard in the DR talking about their apartments/etc. We don't get a whole lot of traveling girls ... in fact, I've only worked with one through 5 different clubs.

Almost Jaded
07-23-2009, 12:18 AM
Interesting; I know that there are a lot of "passing through" types in the topless places, I just don't know how many were extras girls. I never bothered to realize there were so many fewer in the full nude clubs.

I guess that makes sense though; there's more money in the 21 & up clubs, and the girls that have been doing this a few years longer are more likely to consider a "working vacation" or a trip to another town where the pickings are riper. Not a lot of over 21 girls in the under 21 clubs (more than I would have guessed though), so fewer girls with the wherewithal to travel for work.

X, Earl, etc - it's a more complex issue than one might think. Especially in a town like this where people are "connected". In one club, an arrest like the Vu's would get the whole joint shut down. In another - no charges against management at all. Is it right? Hell no, lol. But it's Vegas, so that's how it is. Frankly after a living here a while and paying attention, you start to appreciate the way things run in a weird sort of way. I start to see why the lifetime locals say the town was so much better when the Mob ran it, and why they say things went down hill when they "cleaned up" the city. Honestly, a city like this one couldn't possibly run "legit" by some others' definition; it's just not possible.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-23-2009, 12:36 AM
Honestly, a city like this one couldn't possibly run "legit" by some others' definition; it's just not possible.
Sounds like Atlantic City. If even 1/3 of the arrests went to trial it would shine a light on the roaches and they would run.

xdamage
07-23-2009, 08:57 AM
X, Earl, etc - it's a more complex issue than one might think.

Yea, understood, just unfortunate that even "Sin City" is unable to write a law that better defines what the limits are for contact lap dancing, and better protects those who want to work (and partake) legally.

Almost Jaded
07-23-2009, 11:28 AM
Well, that's kinda why the laws are so inclusive. Like I said in the other thread - they have a lot of these "big stick" laws; but they enforce them both selectively and with discretion. What appears horribly "unfair" - and if you look at it case-by-case it IS - can also be seen as "it could be much, much worse". Basically, if something happens to bring the stick down, they have the legal verbiage to have their way with you, lol. So stay off the radar.

I will say this - and I shouldn't. The fact that the girls who were popped were the ones that were popped, and fact that the club DIDN'T get hit, and knowing some of the issues some of those girls have had ITC, plus knowing who was SUPPOSED to be working that night but wasn't... Let's just say some people in the club, maybe back in the office more than on the floor, might not have as surprised when vice showed up as others were..? I do not know this for a fact or even a rumor. I can deduce this because I know how things work in this town and how some of the people in that office work. Vice gets a big bust, the club doesn't get pinched, in the big picture the only ones who lose were the ones who were a problem to somebody along the line.... :shrug:

Earl_the_Pearl
07-23-2009, 01:55 PM
Vice gets a big bust, the club doesn't get pinched, in the big picture the only ones who lose were the ones who were a problem to somebody along the line.... :shrug:
Isn't there an FBI office in Nevada? This is the kind of bust I like to see.

Feds bust 44, including 3 mayors, 5 rabbis; N.J. probe focused on alleged payoffs and illegal organ transplants

Gia2608
07-23-2009, 02:19 PM
sounds like political fund-raising time again ~




Ha! Ha! Already? Where does the time go?

cyberstripper
07-23-2009, 03:14 PM
WOW! They were local girls. I myself have never worked in any nude clubs here, so I did not know but I have seen this too many times in Topless clubs.

I guess the ONE thing you can do to protect yourself in this town, like any other business, Is to get an adult or industry related ATTOURNEY. If you have one and happen to get busted wether it is a set up or raid you are one step ahead of the rest.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-23-2009, 08:10 PM
Earl - I'm with you on that kind of thing, but Vegas is a different world. There are other cities that are very corrupt, where the "good ol' boy" network is in place, where bribes are prevalent, etc. ut Vegas is functinally corrupt, lol. This city would go to pieces real fast if things were "cleaned up" on that level.
It must have something to do with LV being in the middle of the desert only touching itself and those that chose to venture there.

I can't believe New Jersey is more corrupt than LV; the FBI just doesn't want to spend two years in a desert doing the leg work. When casinos first opened in AC the first three mayors went to jail on corruption charges. There may be something to the functionally corrupt concept as AC is, except for the casinos, one big slum far worse then before casinos. It is the only Jersey Shore town that doesn't screen the sand on the beach every day.


She was not arrested for doing a private dance in Newark.http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/ap/95d58dd4-84a0-44c8-845f-25bc187a4700.rp420x400.jpg

thecoffeeguy
07-24-2009, 12:15 AM
It must have something to do with LV being in the middle of the desert only touching itself and those that chose to venture there.

I can't believe New Jersey is more corrupt than LV; the FBI just doesn't want to spend two years in a desert doing the leg work. When casinos first opened in AC the first three mayors went to jail on corruption charges. There may be something to the functionally corrupt concept as AC is, except for the casinos, one big slum far worse then before casinos. It is the only Jersey Shore town that doesn't screen the sand on the beach every day.



Spending a couple of years in Vegas would be more fun than spending a couple of years in that part of Jersey. Thing is, the FBI goes after the low-hanging fruit. The big guys in Vegas have had years to work on their game and get politically connected. The guys in Jersey were newcomers and not so plugged in. They likely made dumb mistakes and had no help from the "legit" establishment.

xdamage
07-24-2009, 05:39 AM
...There may be something to the functionally corrupt concept as AC is, except for the casinos, one big slum far worse then before casinos. It is the only Jersey Shore town that doesn't screen the sand on the beach every day.

Yea. A.C. is a big dive with the exception of a few hotels (like the Borgata), but I believe it was Trump who once said it is good enough for the market (in response to why his 3 hotels out there are so filthy). The gambling money is what they are after, people on the east coast who don't want to fly to Vegas. OTOH I've never met anyone from the west coast who wanted to go to A.C., or who having done so, wanted to go back. A.C. works but it is not Vegas, it's just a slum with Casinos.