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xdamage
08-15-2009, 10:53 PM
Your post is pointless because leaders are recognized for their vision and their ability to think out of the box. And, that is exactly what I am doing, I am thinking out of the box to provide a solution to our conundrum.

Keep in mind, even the good leaders are ridiculed at times as history would tell you.

Schizophrenics also think out of the box. Thinking out of the box does not equal = good.

Leaders are recognized for their ability to lead but who is following you so far?

But again you've avoided answering why you don't go to Strip Clubs for real (being as you love Strippers so much), which is in your case, is the one out of the box idea (for you personally) you don't seem to be able to face head on.

Cyril
08-15-2009, 10:56 PM
Schizophrenics also think out of the box. Thinking out of the box does not equal = good.

Leaders are recognized for their ability to lead but who is following you so far?

But again you've avoided answering why you don't go to Strip Clubs for real (being as you love Strippers so much), which is in your case, is the one out of the box idea (for you personally) you don't seem to be able to face head on.

I think we touched the issue of "why I do not go to strip clubs" in depth not too long ago. It gave lots of heartache to lots of people. So, I do not wish to get into that again. Please feel free to consult JayATee, she would provide you with the appropriate link; I forgot the name of the thread.

Thinking out of the box does not equal bad either. Everything should be considered based on its individual merit but unfortunately, people try to pass "Cyril does not go to the strip club" as a sound argument; I just do not agree with this line of thinking.

xdamage
08-15-2009, 11:56 PM
I think we touched the issue of "why I do not go to strip clubs" in depth not too long ago. It gave lots of heartache to lots of people. So, I do not wish to get into that again. Please feel free to consult JayATee, she would provide you with the appropriate link; I forgot the name of the thread.

Thinking out of the box does not equal bad either. Everything should be considered based on its individual merit but unfortunately, people try to pass "Cyril does not go to the strip club" as a sound argument; I just do not agree with this line of thinking.

Right so it goes back to what I said then. You seemingly are unable to actually go to a SC and experience it for real. You've now started two fantasy world threads, one as the world's best SC owner, another a fictional story of a customer who scores with a stripper, and you don't think this is relevant?

Let me give you an analogy. There are basically two kinds of people at baseball games. The people down on the field actually playing, and the experts up in the bleachers yelling down, booing them, telling them how they should play. And yes I exaggerate for effect, but still there is some truth to this analogy. The people up in the bleachers surely want to believe they are experts and could do better if they actually played. That is what strokes their ego. But the reality remains. Those who actually play will never respect them and tell them yea, you really are a better player then those of us who actually are involved.

The thing is if you actually did go, spent some real money, actually interacted with strippers, you'd get your feet dirty. You wouldn't be able to have these 30,000 foot dream views of reality, but you'd actually understand a bit better the real dynamics that occur in Strip Clubs, and something about the feelings of the people who are actually involved. A real out of the box experience for you.

Cyril
08-16-2009, 12:03 AM
Right so it goes back to what I said then. You seemingly are unable to actually go to a SC and experience it for real. You've now started two fantasy world threads, one as the world's best SC owner, another a fictional story of a customer who scores with a stripper, and you don't think this is relevant?

Let me give you an analogy. There are basically two kinds of people at baseball games. The people down on the field actually playing, and the experts up in the bleachers yelling down, booing them, telling them how they should play. And yes I exaggerate for effect, but still there is some truth to this analogy. The people up in the bleachers surely want to believe they are experts and could do better if they actually played. That is what strokes their ego. But the reality remains. Those who actually play will never respect them and tell them yea, you really are a better player then those of us who actually are involved.

The thing is if you actually did go, spent some real money, actually interacted with strippers, you'd get your feet dirty. You wouldn't be able to have these 30,000 foot dream views of reality, but you'd actually understand a bit better the real dynamics that occur in Strip Clubs, and something about the feelings of the people who are actually involved. A real out of the box experience for you.

There are two types of people - one who come up with good ideas and another who just like to pull down the ones who come up with good ideas.

Thinkers have their rightful place in the scheme of things. You have a tendency of downplaying the importance of thinkers.

WiseGuy_TX
08-16-2009, 06:58 AM
If that ain't the pot calling the kettle.....:kettle:...yes, i thought about reminding him that would make me a tic on an dirty flea infested ass. But i cut him some slack.:D
http://i31.tinypic.com/2dbsah4.jpg

JayATee
08-16-2009, 11:40 AM
THIS.

This right here.

You argue about everything. Even things you admit to being pretty unfamiliar with. Like strip clubs. And yet, you continue to act like you know better than the people who work in or regularly patronize the industry. And no matter how many times people try to tell you how ignorant and arrogant that attitude is, you just don't get it. You don't see things from our point of view because you don't even listen to us.

+1. This and your others right after it could not have been more perfect.

So once again, after an entire thread has devolved because of him, I will wonder aloud why it's tolerated.

Cyril
08-16-2009, 01:02 PM
+1. This and your others right after it could not have been more perfect.

So once again, after an entire thread has devolved because of him, I will wonder aloud why it's tolerated.

If you want to blame who derails the thread then you and your friend WiseGuy get the lion's share of the blame.

SteveSmith
08-16-2009, 02:09 PM
To the OP's credit he instinctively right out of the gate gets it right: "sure this is all part of the job to draw guys......" He at least acknowledges that, but his obvious inexperience with the business allows him to start misinterpreting the rest.

The OP has to understand these dancers are pros. The more experienced ones have interacted with literally 1000's of customers. They know exacty what buttons to push. Certain dancers actually do prefer certain customers over others, they might even enjoy talking to you, but it almost always has nothing to do with wanting to date you.

Most customers know the game (professional customers) and the ones who don't, catch on real fast.


The good news is you can still enjoy this dancer by now and then buying dances, but if you start spending sufficient to make it an ATF situation you have to recognize you're very very likely on a one way street deal. Keep in mind she will sense it if you truely have a thing for her (so need for you to explicitely state it), then she has to balance how much she wants to lead you on - nearly always including the "i miss you" b.s. and down the road often the casually stated and vague "i love you" - (like her dog that is and very very rarely with the more complicating term "i'm in love with you" phrase ever used) -in at some point, assuming you are spending alot over time.

I've never heard a dancer say "I love you" to me in the context of really being in love or as a ploy to keep me coming back. Dancers don't want guys to pester them for dates or OTC activities, and don't want a potential psycho on their hands, so saying "I Love You" as a ploy to keep someone around is probably rare. I've never heard it in that context before. I've heard it and I've said it myself but in a playful, affectionate banter context, not in serious context. I take anything a dancer says to me with a grain of salt and if a dancer were to actually say "I love you" to me as a ploy to keep me comming back, I'd probably just laugh in her face. :laughing:


They want to keep you spending but not over do the string-along where you might get angry at them. Note many dancers assume a shelf life of probably 3 to 6 months to regular customer arrangements because the balancing act is just too compllicated to sustain itself longer.

Customers get a little bored with the same dancer eventually, and for $20 a song, the fun and excitement has to be there or customers move on. Not that there's anything wrong with what the dancer is doing, it's just that men like variety. There's no balancing act, the customer just wants to move on. It's that simple. As BB KING once said, "The Thrill is Gone." :dazzled:


The entire ATF GFE experience is very complex and except in here and a few other sites - is rarely discussed.

Conclusion: Most dancers aren't the plotting, scheming sociopaths that you make them out to be, and most customers aren't the naive fools that you make them out to be. There are exceptions to the rule, but you turned the exception into the rule.

Elvia
08-16-2009, 03:37 PM
Your post is pointless because leaders are recognized for their vision and their ability to think out of the box. And, that is exactly what I am doing, I am thinking out of the box to provide a solution to our conundrum.

Keep in mind, even the good leaders are ridiculed at times as history would tell you.


:rotfl:

That's all you have to say in response to his intelligent post? comparing yourself to a leader for no discernable reason?


How is any of this your conundrum, anyway?

Cyril
08-16-2009, 04:49 PM
:rotfl:

That's all you have to say in response to his intelligent post? comparing yourself to a leader for no discernable reason?


How is any of this your conundrum, anyway?

Is this all you have to say in response to my intelligent post?

xdamage
08-16-2009, 05:17 PM
Your response to her (and multiple people) is "Yea, I have no experience at all in any of this and that is why I know better then all of you". A true WTF moment.

Cyril
08-16-2009, 05:22 PM
Your response to her (and multiple people) is "Yea, I have no experience at all in any of this and that is why I know better then all of you". A true WTF moment.

My frustration with some of you folks is this, you do not counter the logic put forth by me instead you attempt to mock my lack of patronizing strip clubs. You are at the fore front of this tradition.

JayATee
08-16-2009, 05:27 PM
^ We've countered your logic so many times in so many ways we're completely and totally sick of it. We've done nothing but explain it again and again and again and again and again. That is why we do nothing but mock you at this point. There's nothing else left to do.

What's worse is that you're so clueless that you can't even realize this. I actually really do feel sorry for you.

Cyril
08-16-2009, 05:29 PM
I actually really do feel sorry for you.

I am truly delighted to see this human side of yours.

WiseGuy_TX
08-16-2009, 09:03 PM
I am truly delighted to see this human side of yours....Why? Are you going to ask her out on a date?:D

JayATee
08-16-2009, 09:35 PM
...Why? Are you going to ask her out on a date?:D

LoL, no he's afraid of goth girls. That's why he banned them from "dream girls". :D

WestCoast101
08-16-2009, 10:19 PM
I've never seen an actual survey of dancers as to how many use (banter or not) the term "I love you" as a type of customer retention technique, however I can assure you its not "rare" and its of course almost always in regular-cutomer situations and most likely to occur when considerable money is at stake and the dancer knows that the customer (invariably married) views OTC as having an excessive degree of risk, and the odds go up even higher if the dancer also knows the customer is spending elsewhere on a frequent basis. In other words, they will only use it when they have to.

The one phrase that (while its used) is very rare - would be the unambiguous and understood by all "I'm in love with you" statement. Very very few dancers will cross that line because of the possible complications presented.

By the way, customers assume the risk as all see the "strip joint" sign or something similar when they enter, and dancers are obviously being paid to pretend, so its hardly fair to label them sociopaths for trying to maximize earnings nor have I suggested that in my posts.

WestCoast101
08-16-2009, 11:14 PM
On the issue of dancers dealing with regulars and the claim "there's no balancing act, the customer just wants to move on. It's that simple." Actually its not that simple, and the "move on" cases account for only some percentage of the cases. Experienced dancers routinely customized the type of hustle they will direct at a customer, and in a case like the OP cited the dancer will most likely use the romance version of the GFE type approach, and in that case how she balances it will be very crucial to the ultimate duration of the arrangement, assuming the guy is even worth wasting time on in the first place, which generally means how much he is spending.

Typically the PL moves-on not out of boredom, but instead when he realizes he is really just another customer, and meaningful OTC (unless its pay for play) just isn't ever going to happen. Dancers know full well that there's always a new supply of new-to-strip club type customers available at any given time, while not necessarily "naive fools" they certainly won't have much chance going up against a seasoned pro, at least not for a number of months until they figure things out. Huge amounts of money can be made by dancers just on these types of customers.

SerenaSin
08-17-2009, 06:44 AM
I learned through my interaction with women that there exists a group of women, a very small group of course, which opposes men through boycott of institutions like marriage. It is their way of getting back at men. I could never understand the logic behind it though.


Ummm... what in the world does this statement have to do with my post? Oh wait... is this one of those things where you think women who oppose marriage on ethical grounds do so cuz we're a bunch of evil man-hating feminazi dykes or something?

If you want the long boring explanation, a lot of my friends and I happen to not be so keen on marriage because 1) we don't think love should have to be legitimized by the State in order to be as real and valid as a non-State-approved partnership, 2) queer folks aren't allowed to marry, 3) marriage doesn't work very smoothly for polyamorous individuals, 4) personally, my parents never married and therefore I was never raised to have grand aspirations of having a ring on my finger, 5) weddings are EXPENSIVE, 6) I'm non-religious, and a lot of folks I know are either atheist, agnostic, or really not religious enough to want to have a ceremony in a house of worship, etc.etc.

Interesting that with all the feminists I know, I don't know a single one who opposes marriage in order to oppose men.

While we're at it, there also exists a small group of men (though much larger than the group of women you originally spoke of) who like to ask women out on dates, earn their trust, and then proceed to abuse, rape or murder them within the course of their ensuing relationship, as their way of getting back at women I mean, since we're just throwin' these unrelated little factoids out there...





I am one of those men who are in love with strippers as a result I tend to see things from their point of view. So, I am in agreement with you that when a stripper is working, she should be focusing on making money. When I am at work, even Megan Fox will have to fight for my attention. Work is all about making dough.

But once in a while we have to be open minded towards that special person whom we meet at the work. What do you think?


I don't know, I mean almost all the strippers at my club have bf's or gf's or husbands. Some of them, including myself, tell guys we're single (though I've started to reconsider this approach since I'm tired of the convo turning into a date request). Guys probably think we're close-minded cold bitches or whatever cuz we won't date them, but even if the guy were really nice and cute, in this case it's really "not HIM, it's ME" since I am not single. To be honest I've only once ever met a guy at the club I would really consider dating were I single, and he was a friend of the DJ who was just there cuz he was new in town and didn't really know anybody else, so while he did buy a dance from me he was really not representative of the typical guy who comes into my club. I'm not really into conservative "redneck" type guys who rock out to pop-country or wanna-be "thug/baller" types who act like they're in a rap video or 18 year old boys on their very first strip club adventure. :P

Everyman
08-17-2009, 07:05 AM
Why must you push it any father?

This is probably just a typo, but I prefer to think of it as a nice little Freudian slip.

SteveSmith
08-17-2009, 05:45 PM
On the issue of dancers dealing with regulars and the claim "there's no balancing act, the customer just wants to move on. It's that simple." Actually its not that simple, and the "move on" cases account for only some percentage of the cases. Experienced dancers routinely customized the type of hustle they will direct at a customer, and in a case like the OP cited the dancer will most likely use the romance version of the GFE type approach, and in that case how she balances it will be very crucial to the ultimate duration of the arrangement, assuming the guy is even worth wasting time on in the first place, which generally means how much he is spending.

For most experienced regulars, the dancers have little control on how long they can hold a customer. The customer makes the decision if she's worth spending any more money on.


Typically the PL moves-on not out of boredom, but instead when he realizes he is really just another customer, and meaningful OTC (unless its pay for play) just isn't ever going to happen.

This statement is totally ridiculous and borders on the insane.

Almost Jaded
08-17-2009, 06:28 PM
Schizophrenics also think out of the box.


It seems like you have bought into the propaganda of the cabal which has been engaged in character assassination against me.

And so it begins...

WestCoast101
08-17-2009, 07:56 PM
The statement is 100% accurate as it stands, nor does any part of it "border on insane", however I've added a few (CAPITALIZED) words to make it absolutely unambiguous:

On the issue of dancers dealing with regulars and the claim "there's no balancing act, the customer just wants to move on. It's that simple." Actually its not that simple, and the "move on" cases account for only some percentage of the cases. Experienced dancers routinely customized the type of hustle they will direct at a customer, and in a case like the OP cited the dancer will most likely use the romance version of the GFE type approach, and in that case how she balances it will be very crucial to the ultimate duration of the arrangement, assuming the guy is even worth wasting time on in the first place, which generally means how much he is spending.

Typically the INEXPERIENCED PL IN A GFE STYLE ARRANGEMENT moves-on not SO MUCH out of boredom, but instead PRIMARILY when he realizes he is IN ESSENCE just another customer, and meaningful OTC (unless its pay for play) just isn't ever going to happen. Dancers know full well that there's always a new supply of new-to-strip club type customers available at any given time, while not necessarily "naive fools" they certainly won't have much chance going up against a seasoned pro, at least not for a number of months until they figure things out. Huge amounts of money can be made by dancers just on these types of customers.

Jake39
08-18-2009, 01:59 AM
Excellent post West Coast.

Your last section hits the nail on the head. The experienced Dancers know how to make a lot of money going up against the SC newbies. I have seen them make huge amounts of money as these newbies are psycologically taken by this half naked beautiful woman calling them close to quitting time at work to come see them. They subconsciously see her as their GF and are completely taken by the SC fantasy not wanting to disappoint her. I know of one guy who gave a dancer $400 to fix the ac on her car bc she needed it then (no dances, no nothing) on the idea they would hook up otc. A manipulated hustle if there ever was one. When the time came for them to hookup, she was long gone. A more experienced player sees thru these fun and games and will manipulate the dancer to work within his SC goals or simply deselect her and go to another girl. In a way, I sort of admire the experienced dancer hustlers as they know how to make money and pitch their wares in a very competetive environment. Unfortunately, the newbie customers are going to pay some tuition before really learning the ropes of the game.

Otoki
08-18-2009, 08:41 AM
+1. This and your others right after it could not have been more perfect.

So once again, after an entire thread has devolved because of him, I will wonder aloud why it's tolerated.
I wonder why more people don't just put him on ignore so his posts are never acknowledged, and eventually go away.

dlabtot
08-18-2009, 08:59 AM
I wonder why more people don't just put him on ignore so his posts are never acknowledged, and eventually go away.

Word.

Elvia
08-18-2009, 03:50 PM
^ We've countered your logic so many times in so many ways we're completely and totally sick of it. We've done nothing but explain it again and again and again and again and again. That is why we do nothing but mock you at this point. There's nothing else left to do.

What's worse is that you're so clueless that you can't even realize this. I actually really do feel sorry for you.

SO True.

Spelling things out for you never helps, Cyril. You're always going to choose to believe that you know more in complete ignorance than people who are actually experienced in the subject being discussed. And you'll just continue to assert that. You know what's best for the SC industry, even though everyone here who actually has experience going to SCs or working in them tells you your ideas are way off base. You tell us you know what kind of club environment is best for dancers, even though multiple dancers have told you they would not want to work in such a place and that some of your imaginary policies we find downright degrading. You say you see things from the dancers perspective, despite the fact that you're one of the most disliked male contibutors among dancers here. You're like a small child that keeps asking "why" repetitively without actually caring to listen to the answer.

Almost Jaded
08-18-2009, 04:20 PM
You're like a small child that keeps asking "why" repetitively without actually caring to listen to the answer.

ROFLMFAO...

OMG this is so perfect...

Becuse the cartoon character that does this always ends her "why? Why? Why? Why?" series with:

"Okay I love you lady bye bye!"

OMFG I am relly and truly laughing so hard at this trivial bit of ironic weirdness...

WiseGuy_TX
08-18-2009, 07:08 PM
...just saying, if JayATee gave Cyril his first dance, i think he would fall for her like the OP.

http://i26.tinypic.com/72po5k.jpg

Cyril
08-18-2009, 07:51 PM
LoL, no he's afraid of goth girls. That's why he banned them from "dream girls". :D

Let the record show that I lifted that ban later on. This proves that I am a reasonable man. Also, there will be a goth character in Immaculate Love.

I will be honest, your latest avatar does frighten me and I do hope that you are using some sort of makeup to attain this effect.

Why not switch to your first avatar? (Just a suggestion)

Elvia
08-18-2009, 07:59 PM
^^ As I see it, the only incentive for her to do so would be because one person (you) doesn't like it. So why should she?

Almost Jaded
08-18-2009, 09:31 PM
Jay's new Avi has me wanting to fly to NY or convince her to make a working trip to Vegas. Really hot goth girls are hard to find and are Teh Hawtn3ss!!

JayATee
08-18-2009, 11:07 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I'm sorry, I'm laughing too hard atm to post anything in response to any of this.

Golden_Rule
08-19-2009, 10:25 AM
ok i know how this sounds but i recently went to a stripclub, had some drinks, a good feed and a great show, i then got a private dance from one of the girls. she was really great to talk to had a good personality and we just chatted for a good hour about everything, work, cars, movies, food just everything. im sure this is all part of the job to draw guys in but anyway. i cant seem to get over her. shes not the 1st women ive seen nude or anything and its not just cause shes beautiful, i can get her out of my mine. now shes my age so im not some 80 year old guy sussing out 19 year old guys. i really feel like going back and asking her out or giving her my number or something im not talking about stalking her or sex i just want to get to know her as a person. would this be ok or just stupid????

Dude, go to a supermarket, church, flea market, etc, etc, etc, and strike up a convo with a woman who suits your fancy. Be confident but polite. Give her a chance to get to know you over a little time. Don't presume anything but be sincerely attentive and find out if she is available and if so ask her out. That's how its done.

Don't try to date out of SCs. For the customers SCs are all about fun and entertainment. It starts when you walk in the door and ends when you walk out. It stays inside the walls of the entertainment facility and doesn't exit with you when you leave.

From your description of yourself you are a young fellow. Learn this early and it will serve you well your whole life long. :)

wishing well...

WestCoast101
08-20-2009, 12:16 AM
Golden Rule gives good advice, however also remember one brutally honest thing: while you might be thinking about them in your non-club real life, almost w/o exception when they are back in their real lives - YOU don't even exist to them.

Earl_the_Pearl
08-21-2009, 08:03 PM
^^ As I see it, the only incentive for her to do so would be because one person (you) doesn't like it. So why should she?
No one should ever change an avatar as it is a visual representation of the person. Some names are very difficult to comprehend but a picture is easy. Also no two people should ever use the same avatar.

sergifed91
09-15-2009, 09:10 PM
In my opinion its a bad idea. I have been out with a few. who asked who out doesn't matter. I have found that it was just a bad idea. All they talked about was Sex(this I can deal with), then how they had exhusbands or boyfriends who abused them, and drugs(what they use or have used.) exboyfriends and exhusbands I can also deal with. but the minute they started talking about their vices and addictions really would turn any man or reasonable person off. (I'm trying to keep it clean with out being nailed for posting something I shouldn't)

chris91
09-15-2009, 10:18 PM
In my opinion its a bad idea. I have been out with a few. who asked who out doesn't matter. I have found that it was just a bad idea. All they talked about was Sex(this I can deal with), then how they had exhusbands or boyfriends who abused them, and drugs(what they use or have used.) exboyfriends and exhusbands I can also deal with. but the minute they started talking about their vices and addictions really would turn any man or reasonable person off. (I'm trying to keep it clean with out being nailed for posting something I shouldn't)

You might want to re-think this post. It sounds an awful lot like you are suggesting that dudes should not date strippers because strippers are drug addicted sluts with abusive ex boyfriends.

JayATee
09-16-2009, 07:33 AM
In my opinion its a bad idea. I have been out with a few. who asked who out doesn't matter. I have found that it was just a bad idea. All they talked about was Sex(this I can deal with), then how they had exhusbands or boyfriends who abused them, and drugs(what they use or have used.) exboyfriends and exhusbands I can also deal with. but the minute they started talking about their vices and addictions really would turn any man or reasonable person off. (I'm trying to keep it clean with out being nailed for posting something I shouldn't)

Yeah you're right. We're all drug addicted, battered women who are poor pathetic creatures that need to take our clothes off for money. You should NEVER EVER date any of us.

Get a life. ::)

vmurphy252
09-16-2009, 08:53 AM
^I KNEW it.

verfolgung
09-16-2009, 09:35 AM
In my opinion its a bad idea. I have been out with a few. who asked who out doesn't matter. I have found that it was just a bad idea. All they talked about was Sex(this I can deal with), then how they had exhusbands or boyfriends who abused them, and drugs(what they use or have used.) exboyfriends and exhusbands I can also deal with. but the minute they started talking about their vices and addictions really would turn any man or reasonable person off. (I'm trying to keep it clean with out being nailed for posting something I shouldn't)

Yeah you're right. We're all drug addicted, battered women who are poor pathetic creatures that need to take our clothes off for money. You should NEVER EVER date any of us.

Get a life. ::)


No, not "all" dancers, but apparently the one's that would agree to go out with him are. Heh. :P

Elvia
09-16-2009, 04:31 PM
If this has happened to Serge more than once, I can only guess that it wasn't so much a "date" as he thought. Sounds to me that they pegged him as a possible captain save-a-hoe and were trying to work him over with a sad sob story.

Cyril
09-16-2009, 06:29 PM
If this has happened to Serge more than once, I can only guess that it wasn't so much a "date" as he thought. Sounds to me that they pegged him as a possible captain save-a-hoe and were trying to work him over with a sad sob story.

This post of yours clearly paints strippers in a bad light. Here is what you are saying. Strippers are not drug addicts. Which is fine. But then you go on to say that strippers lie about personal sufferings to induce men into spending money on them. This clearly demonstrates a lack of character. Why would you want to say a thing like that about your own sisters?

xdamage
09-16-2009, 06:44 PM
This post of yours clearly paints strippers in a bad light. Here is what you are saying. Strippers are not drug addicts. Which is fine. But then you go on to say that strippers lie about personal sufferings to induce men into spending money on them. This clearly demonstrates a lack of character. Why would you want to say a thing like that about your own sisters?

Mature people face reality. Where you say paint strippers as all pure good (unrealistic and not reality) she is just pointing out a possible (yea even probable) interpretation. You'll get over it. People are not all good or all bad (nor are strippers just because their job is "stripper"). Idolizing anyone or any group is bound to leave you disappointed in the long run.

Cyril
09-16-2009, 06:49 PM
Mature people face reality. Where you say paint strippers as all pure good (unrealistic and not reality) she is just pointing out a possible (yea even probable) interpretation. You'll get over it. People are not all good or all bad (nor are strippers just because their job is "stripper"). Idolizing anyone or any group is bound to leave you disappointed in the long run.

As usual you missed the point again. She is saying that strippers are not drug addicts. Which is good but then she is saying that they have no problem fabricating sob stories to make some money. I believe this is an unfair statement because it clubs all strippers as a group of people who lack character. Please read the post carefully. Thanks!

vmurphy252
09-16-2009, 07:19 PM
x, please don't bother. You're going to make sense, but you're not going to win... it's not worth the pain to you and everyone else...

Elvia
09-16-2009, 11:45 PM
As usual you missed the point again. She is saying that strippers are not drug addicts. Which is good but then she is saying that they have no problem fabricating sob stories to make some money. I believe this is an unfair statement because it clubs all strippers as a group of people who lack character. Please read the post carefully. Thanks!


No, I think you missed the point, Cyril. Actually, some strippers are drug addicts. That's not to say they all are, or that even most are. Similarly, SOME strippers have no problem fabricating sob stories to get money. Nowhere did I say this is what all strippers do, or that this is standard stripper behavior. But yes, it does happen sometimes. Please consider your own advice and try to read the post more carefully.

JayATee
09-17-2009, 01:12 AM
No, I think you missed the point, Cyril. Actually, some strippers are drug addicts. That's not to say they all are, or that even most are. Similarly, SOME strippers have no problem fabricating sob stories to get money. Nowhere did I say this is what all strippers do, or that this is standard stripper behavior. But yes, it does happen sometimes. Please consider your own advice and try to read the post more carefully.

He can't read and comprehend anything. ;)

xdamage
09-17-2009, 04:16 AM
No, I think you missed the point, Cyril. Actually, some strippers are drug addicts. That's not to say they all are, or that even most are. Similarly, SOME strippers have no problem fabricating sob stories to get money. Nowhere did I say this is what all strippers do, or that this is standard stripper behavior. But yes, it does happen sometimes. Please consider your own advice and try to read the post more carefully.

Unfortunately it seems some people's brains cannot comprehend "some" and want to categorize everything into simpler all or nothing bins. You are correct. Your post never used the word all or even implied all. But such people's brains apparently hear "all" or "nothing" and the idea that there is something in between extremes is essentially beyond their ability to accept.

Likewise his posts have swung between extreme idealization (which he is doing at the moment with the, ' ALL strippers are gifts from nature') and the other extremes of devaluation (http://forum.stripperweb.com/showpost.php?p=1809047&postcount=233).

Due to a flaw in my own upbringing and now nicely wedged into my personality, I feel some compulsion to want to convince him to see things from a more healthy gray scale PoV (i.e., strippers are people, we people are not all good or all bad, we vary in endless ways, some are more of this and less of that, and so on). And sadly I am also wasting my time trying too. No matter what we reply with, his brain will re-bin it out into extremes.

verfolgung
09-17-2009, 05:30 AM
Be careful folks. Pick on him too much and his bff will surely not be far behind to accuse everyone else of being trolls. heh