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cyberstripper
07-28-2009, 10:54 PM
You file criminal charges and a civil suit against the PL and the club for not providing proper security.
Of course you will never do this so you only get to see a PL bleed and get a brief non monetary satisfaction wile the Pimp gets rich.
Actually If I was put in a bad situation I could not say wether I would file criminal charges, etc or not. In an ideal world and work environment I wouldnt need to go this far. But lets face it, I would not want to create further stress for myself and even think about trying to sue a stripclub. If I did happen to, in Vegas, I doubt I would ever be able to work here again. However If I could get the correct legal help and afford to do so I just might. I don't know how I would handle this situation. What I have been thru in clubs seems petty to some of these girls horror stories.
However I could care less if the custy bleeds a little, the satisfaction would come from knowing he is much worse off mentally then I am LOL if he feels the need to do this to people. I think guys find it much easier to do this in clubs because they never have to take responsibility. If this happened in a park, regular club, anywhere beside a stripclub for that matter it would be taken much more seriously. Add a stripclub into the mix and people have this additude that we do it to ourselves, were asking for it. Either way, if your sexual advances are not welcome it is assault.
mediocrity
07-29-2009, 12:06 AM
You're venturing into deep dark water with me on this one Earl.
JayATee
07-29-2009, 01:03 AM
Wrong.
Because when the cops get there, they ask what happened. And since the dead guy on the floor with a six inch hole in his upper torso and half his head missing (home defense = short barreled 12 gauge folks - regular guns sometimes miss) isn't arguing with my story that the knife fell to the floor when I shot him, we're all good.
;)
This actually really depends. If the police have been called and he has "surrendered" and is no longer armed, you have the right to restrain him and hold him for the police. You no longer have the right to use deadly force bc you are no longer in danger. It really comes down to what they can prove happened.
TravelandStrip
07-29-2009, 01:54 AM
The white black comment was meant to imply that it seems likely that African Americans get special treatment/liberties from the white dancers for some reason, and that dancers probably tollerate more "stuff" from our African American brothers. There is no racism in any of this. Just observations.
I am flabbergasted by this comment... why would any dancer let a custy of one race rub himself while not allowing another? How weird.
The only time I've given any sort of preferential treatment to one custy over another is if they ask me how much for sex, and I know that they come from a country where the strip clubs are in fact brothels. In this case, I am a bit more patient in explaining the difference between the 2 in Australia, because they aren't in the know.
Regardless of skin color, I would walk out if I saw any custy rubbing his dick before, during or after a dance. Yuck.:yuck::yuck::yuck:
Earl_the_Pearl
07-29-2009, 01:57 PM
However I could care less if the custy bleeds a little, the satisfaction would come from knowing he is much worse off mentally then I am LOL if he feels the need to do this to people. I think guys find it much easier to do this in clubs because they never have to take responsibility. If this happened in a park, regular club, anywhere beside a stripclub for that matter it would be taken much more seriously. ...
That is what I thought the answer would be. SC are not part of civilized society and rolling in the mud the blood and the beer is accepted. /:O
Almost Jaded
07-29-2009, 03:34 PM
Cyril - you watch too much CSI, lol.
Jay is right.
I don't have to prove a damn thing, IF they decide to investigate me shooting an armed intruder in my own home, than THEY have to PROVE that things did not go down the way I claim. Thee is a dead guy on the floor. There is a knife on the floor. The dead guy is shot in the chest and head. I say he had a knife, I fired twice, he dropped the knife as he fell.
And I assure you I will never live in a state (there are a few, MD, CA, and others) where my right to defend my home is impeded. That's a pile of leftard shit right there. I can also assure you that if you break into my home armed, you will end up dead, I don't give a good Goddamn if you set the knife down and surrender. You might have something else under your shirt. You might have a buddy in the shadows. You might be a fuckin' ninja for all I know - and I don't care. You broke into my home to commit a crime, you were armed so you had considered that it might involve violence = you're fucking dead. Period.
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Cyril
07-29-2009, 08:10 PM
Cyril - you watch too much CSI, lol.
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Actually I rarely watch the TV. But I think I have heard of that show. I think it is set in Las Vegas or something.
But I was correct about you that you have never been investigated for a shot fired by you or else you would have never said what you said.
But if you think you are smart enough to fool homicide detectives with your fairy tale story after you shot someone in cold blood. Please continue to believe that and I think it is not me who watches too much CSI, it is you. :)
Almost Jaded
07-29-2009, 11:07 PM
I also know a lot of cops - including homicide detectives and SWAT. And define cold blood - he broke into my home, armed for violent crime. See - that's a difference in POV. I see nothing "cold blooded" about putting him down; breaking into someones home armed with the intent of committing a violent crime on the other hand - that's cold blooded.
EDIT: Forgot to add - I have not been investigated for a shot fired personally, no. 2 good friends and one family member have, however. I am quite aware of what goes on. There was a shooting here recently at one of my favorite hangouts - the guy is going down HARD. The shot he fired was deemed perfectly legal in self defense as it was 5 guys threatening one. After he put one down and chased the others off, he came back, and seeing the first guy trying to get up - shot him again, fatally. Oops. Then the dumbass ran from teh scene to top it off, thus sealing the prosecutions case for 1st degree.
They only investigate those crimes worth investigating. I fired in self defense; there is no evidence nor testimony to contradict this; the "investigation" will be almost nonexistent, merely verification that there was a break in, that the perp's prints are on the knife or that there's a reasonable probability that my story is true, that I own and have all the legalities straight in regards to my weapon, etc.
I hate to say it, and I fully expect him to lambaste me for my "actions" and views, but I hope GR pokes his head in on this one, lol.
It is unfortunate that dancers are so often extended only derision and skepticism with so many police officers. Frankly a cop should look at a dancer saying she was assaulted on stage and kicked the guy in defense with the same attitude I afford them above re home invasion.
Cyril
07-29-2009, 11:21 PM
I also know a lot of cops - including homicide detectives and SWAT. And define cold blood - he broke into my home, armed for violent crime. See - that's a difference in POV. I see nothing "cold blooded" about putting him down; breaking into someones home armed with the intent of committing a violent crime on the other hand - that's cold blooded.
They only investigate those crimes worth investigating. I fired in self defense; there is no evidence nor testimony to contradict this; the "investigation" will be almost nonexistent, merely verification that there was a break in, that the perp's prints are on the knife or that there's a reasonable probability that my story is true, that I own and have all the legalities straight in regards to my weapon, etc.
I hate to say it, and I fully expect him to lambaste me for my "actions" and views, but I hope GR pokes his head in on this one, lol.
It is unfortunate that dancers are so often extended only derision and skepticism with so many police officers. Frankly a cop should look at a dancer saying she was assaulted on stage and kicked the guy in defense with the same attitude I afford them above re home invasion.
If you knew any cop worth his salt then you would not be underestimating their investigation tactics.
If you shoot an adversary after he has surrendered, it will be considered a cold-blooded murder. Every murder is worth investigating and it is not up to you to decide whose life is worthless and whose is not.
There will be more than just the verification of break-ins and fingerprints. Your story will not be taken for its face value. You will see several detectives. If they even suspect just a little, you will be hauled in for an on camera interview where you will repeat your story several times in great detail. Sooner or later you will slip and then the CSI game will be over.
I sincerely hope people reading your posts are taking it with a bucket of salt because this line of thinking is a recipe for imprisonment.
Almost Jaded
07-29-2009, 11:43 PM
Cyril - too many things have broken down into a debate between you and a select few members, of which I am regrettably one. Can you please understand that you are not always right, and that you are often posting about shit you just don't know about? Whether or not that is the case here, it certainly is in many other places.
If you shoot an adversary after he has surrendered, it will be considered a cold-blooded murder.
In your example, which I used as the basis for mine, where is the evidence - anywhere - that he surrendered? He stands there with the knife - I shoot, the knife falls. He drops the knife and surrenders - he's still standing there - I shoot and the knife "fell". The physical evidence remains the same in either case.
Every murder is worth investigating and it is not up to you to decide whose life is worthless and whose is not.
It was not murder. It was self defense. See - you really cannot see my POV here, it's invisible to you. I get yours; please try to see mine.
He broke into my home, armed with a dealy weapon. According to your story, he set down a knife and "surrendered" only upon seeing I had a loaded shotgun (because for some reason I gave him that opportunity I guess - there would have been no such pause, no"put your hands up" or "freeze" - just click click BOOM). Had I been unarmed, the fact that he is illegally in my home with a weapon gives me reason to believe he would not have surrendered had I not had said shotgun.
I do not know if he has another weapon, or if there is another person with him, etc. I WILL NOT BE ASKING QUESTIONS OF THIS PERSON WHO WAS CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A VIOLENT FELONY IN MY HOME. I will shoot him.
Were the laws different then they are, I might shoot to maim, to incapacitate while I check for further threats. But in this day and age, that's a sure way to get locked up WHETHER HE DROPPED THE WEAPON OR NOT - and even if I were found guiltless, I would CERTAINLY see a civil lawsuit. No - the only way to ensure my safety and not hear about this fo years to come is to act appropriately to protect my home and family. Thus I will shoot to kill, twice to make sure (and I WILL tell the police that). Again - I do not consider this cold blooded murder. I have every reason to believe there could be an ongoing threat. One more time for the person in back - he broke into my house armed with a deadly weapon.
Now I ask you - where do the detectives see reason to believe it was otherwise? Do share. Dead guy on floor. All evidence indicates he was shot while standing and facing me. There is a knife on the floor. Nobody is there to claim it wasn't dropped when he was shot as I say. I am claiming I felt in fear for my life; and that I wasn't sure if he had others with him so I shot to kill before searching the premises for other intruders and calling 911. All physical evidence indicates that he was shot whille standing and he had a knife. And nothing more.
My story? It is all truth - I merely omit that he dropped the knife. BECAUSE THAT HAS NO BEARING ON THE OUTCOME AFAIC.
Difference in POV.
Hopefully this scenario will never be tested and I will never have to shoot anyone for any reason. Can we agree on that much? :rolleyes:
Cyril
07-30-2009, 02:49 AM
AJ,
I know more than you on this subject. I am ABSOLUTELY certain.
You have never been investigated where interrogation lasted more than four hours. If you have been, you would not be making simplistic statements like the ones you are making. You have no clue what you are talking about. I have let you slide on strip club issues but on this issue, your ignorance is annoying.
No one in his right mind armed with a knife will attack a man armed with a gun. This is a reasonable assumption and cops will stick with it. Cops will assume that as soon as the intruder saw you with the gun, he wanted to surrender. Then, why did you have to shoot him?
You will come up with some crazy story that you watched on the CSI. You will be repeating details of this story so many times while you will be on the camera that you yourself will loose track of it unless you were telling the truth. They will exhaust you and get to the bottom of it.
So, far you have not come up with a single convincing reason why you had to shoot the guy. As a result, you will be taken to the Clark county detention center and booked for murder. Then it will be up to you to prove your innocence during the trial.
audrey_k
07-30-2009, 04:15 AM
Great how did that help pay your bills?
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
One of my custys is offering me $1,500 to go have dinner with him and sleep with him afterwards. That's like my rent, car insurance and cell phone bill right there.
Am I going to do it?
Fuck no!
No amount of $ is worth being in a situation that makes you feel bad about yourself or uncomfortable.
We are enterainers. We don't have to shut up and stick around just because you're paying us money. If you don't respect us, and fuck with US, either we or the big bouncer at the front door will fuck YOU up.
Earl_the_Pearl
07-30-2009, 11:25 AM
There will be more than just the verification of break-ins and fingerprints. Your story will not be taken for its face value. You will see several detectives. If they even suspect just a little, you will be hauled in for an on camera interview where you will repeat your story several times in great detail. Sooner or later you will slip and then the CSI game will be over.
There will only be verification of a break in and fingerprints. I will be so traumatized I will have to be treated at a hospital. :faint:
Where my story will only be told in the presence of and under the advice of my attorney.
Otoki
07-30-2009, 12:15 PM
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
One of my custys is offering me $1,500 to go have dinner with him and sleep with him afterwards. That's like my rent, car insurance and cell phone bill right there.
Am I going to do it?
Fuck no!
No amount of $ is worth being in a situation that makes you feel bad about yourself or uncomfortable.
Exactly.
I wonder what Earl feels she should have done? Let him hold her down in the hopes that she'd get more money? Fuck that.
If someone steps out of line, I'm stopping the dance, they're getting escorted out, and they're not getting their money back.
bem401
07-30-2009, 01:03 PM
The white black comment was meant to imply that it seems likely that African Americans get special treatment/liberties from the white dancers for some reason, and that dancers probably tollerate more "stuff" from our African American brothers. There is no racism in any of this. Just observations.
Two or three of my favorites won't dance for black customers at all, let alone cut them slack in the booth, and have even chastised me for introducing them to black guys I knew because they didn't want to be asked for a dance.
Earl_the_Pearl
07-30-2009, 01:24 PM
I wonder what Earl feels she should have done? Earl wasn't there and nether were you so it is all academic.
Almost Jaded
07-30-2009, 01:37 PM
Then it will be up to you to prove your innocence during the trial.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... HHHHAAAAAAA HAHAHA HAHA HA AH
*deep breath*
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA...
I'M the one who doesn't understand our criminal justice system?! HAHAHAHA...
There will be no 4 hour interrogation. They will ask a few questions at my house. If it goes ANY further than that, I will ask to have my attorney present and STFU. IF - SOMEHOW - they decide there's enough evidence - despite the aforementioned fact that there ISN'T - for them to think for ANY reason I should be prosecuted, a judge will look at their case and dismiss it with barely a thought. IF for some reason it goes to trial, their case would be what? Let's see...
"Members of the jury, this man shot and killed an armed intruder in his home. He claims the man threatened him with a knife so he shot to kill. We think he made it up because we don't think the guy with a knife would have threatened him if he had a gun. I ask you: is it reasonable to believe a man armed with a knife would threaten a man armed with a shotgun? Thank you."
My attorneys closing would probably be something to the effect of:
"Members of the jury. The so-called "victim" broke into my clients home, where my client found him armed with a knife. Fearing for his life, he shot to kill. There is no evidence whatsoever to contradict this. The law doesn't ask you whether it's reasonable to believe a man with a knife would threaten a man with a gun, it requires that you find no reasonable doubt whatsoever that my client felt threatened for his life in his own home. My client felt threatened for his life in his own home by a man in the act of committing a violent crime. Thank you".
Really Cyril? Why is this still being debated? You are the one who made the whole thing up anyway, lol.
You will come up with some crazy story that you watched on the CSI.
You're the one claiming they will magically find some amazing evidence that put me away when no such exists. I'm the one that said YOU watch too much CSI.
I know where my sources are, what are yours? Are you a homicide detective? DEAR GOD I hope not! I've seen some messed up police work, but DAMN - what little I know about you from these boards put into the context of you as a detective... THAT'S some scary shit right there... ESPECIALLY given your previous "prove your innocence" statement... If you are a detective and I find out who and where, I'll send a copy of that statement to the defense lawyers for every case you have ever been involved in, I swear to God...
I have let you slide on strip club issues but on this issue...
You've let me slide on the strip club thing?
Would ANYONE care to comment on Cyril - who hasn't been in a club in over a decade and doesn't know any dancers off this board - is LETTING me slide anywhere?
, your ignorance is annoying.
The pot calling the bone china black.
Asshat.
xdamage
07-30-2009, 02:05 PM
There is a world of difference between the mindset of:
1.) Someone who gets a deadly weapon, enters a civilian's home, plans to attack them, and....
2.) The surprised and terrified civilian, and...
3.) Law Enforcement.
If our laws are not rich enough to allow for these dramatic differences in mindset then I'm in favor of adjusting our laws. Problem is laws are often written by people who are doing so from the safety of arm-chairs. But the laws exist precisely because human behavior often does not adhere to the ideal defined by the law.
Just keep in mind. If someone does enter your home, faces you with a knife or other deadly weapon, that person has already decided that the ideal human behavior of equal force does not apply to them. I can only have so much pity for them if the tables are turned and they end up receiving more force due to the emotional reaction of the victim then they PLANNED to cause. Boo-fuckin-hoo.
I do understand the law, but I don't worship it just because it is law. We humans make the laws. Our laws are not absolute truth. Laws are written by humans. Laws vary from place to place, time to time. My mind is capable of understanding circumstances even if the laws are not rich enough to describe all of them.
The real problem though is it is a dancer oriented forum, and just as a waitress, doctor, lawyer, sales person might physically react if assaulted, so might a dancer. Just because she is a dancer does not mean we should expect her to respond to violence with the same coolness we demand of LE officers in exchange for the money we pay them. Even the tiniest amount of stepping into her shoes and it would be obvious why all the victim-pity is making them feel even more angry/hurt. Duh.
Almost Jaded
07-30-2009, 02:21 PM
The real problem though is it is a dancer oriented forum, and just as a waitress, doctor, lawyer, sales person might physically react if assaulted, so might a dancer. Just because she is a dancer does not mean we should expect her to respond to violence with the same coolness we demand of LE officers in exchange for the money we pay them. Even the tiniest amount of stepping into her shoes and it would be obvious why all the victim-pity is making them feel even more angry/hurt. Duh.
Bingo...
Cyril
07-30-2009, 06:42 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... HHHHAAAAAAA HAHAHA HAHA HA AH
*deep breath*
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA...
I'M the one who doesn't understand our criminal justice system?! HAHAHAHA...
There will be no 4 hour interrogation. They will ask a few questions at my house. If it goes ANY further than that, I will ask to have my attorney present and STFU. IF - SOMEHOW - they decide there's enough evidence - despite the aforementioned fact that there ISN'T - for them to think for ANY reason I should be prosecuted, a judge will look at their case and dismiss it with barely a thought. IF for some reason it goes to trial, their case would be what? Let's see...
"Members of the jury, this man shot and killed an armed intruder in his home. He claims the man threatened him with a knife so he shot to kill. We think he made it up because we don't think the guy with a knife would have threatened him if he had a gun. I ask you: is it reasonable to believe a man armed with a knife would threaten a man armed with a shotgun? Thank you."
My attorneys closing would probably be something to the effect of:
"Members of the jury. The so-called "victim" broke into my clients home, where my client found him armed with a knife. Fearing for his life, he shot to kill. There is no evidence whatsoever to contradict this. The law doesn't ask you whether it's reasonable to believe a man with a knife would threaten a man with a gun, it requires that you find no reasonable doubt whatsoever that my client felt threatened for his life in his own home. My client felt threatened for his life in his own home by a man in the act of committing a violent crime. Thank you".
Really Cyril? Why is this still being debated? You are the one who made the whole thing up anyway, lol.
You're the one claiming they will magically find some amazing evidence that put me away when no such exists. I'm the one that said YOU watch too much CSI.
I know where my sources are, what are yours? Are you a homicide detective? DEAR GOD I hope not! I've seen some messed up police work, but DAMN - what little I know about you from these boards put into the context of you as a detective... THAT'S some scary shit right there... ESPECIALLY given your previous "prove your innocence" statement... If you are a detective and I find out who and where, I'll send a copy of that statement to the defense lawyers for every case you have ever been involved in, I swear to God...
You've let me slide on the strip club thing?
Would ANYONE care to comment on Cyril - who hasn't been in a club in over a decade and doesn't know any dancers off this board - is LETTING me slide anywhere?
The pot calling the bone china black.
Asshat.
The entire post was meaningless.
Let me repeat it again:
A guy who is armed with knife is not going to charge towards a guy who is armed with a gun then why did you have to shoot the guy? Why?
Cyril
07-30-2009, 06:43 PM
There will only be verification of a break in and fingerprints. I will be so traumatized I will have to be treated at a hospital. :faint:
Where my story will only be told in the presence of and under the advice of my attorney.
People have tried that traumatized drama. There are ways to counter that as well. You can get a lawyer, you can get a doctor but you still have to answer the question.
Earl_the_Pearl
07-30-2009, 06:57 PM
People have tried that traumatized drama. There are ways to counter that as well. You can get a lawyer, you can get a doctor but you still have to answer the question.
My home is ringed with a covered trench lined with Punji sticks smeared with dung.
I always do what the voices in my head tell me too. :crazy:
Cyril
07-30-2009, 06:57 PM
My home is ringed with a covered trench lined with Punji sticks smeared with dung.
I always do what the voices in my head tell me too. :crazy:
lol :) lol
I concede.
xdamage
07-30-2009, 07:55 PM
A guy who is armed with knife is not going to charge towards a guy who is armed with a gun then why did you have to shoot the guy? Why?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight-or-flight_response
It is easy to be metered from the safety of an arm-chair behind a computer screen. We would hope though that a jury wouldn't be quite so smug and that our legal system would take into account the situation. This isn't paid LE being talked about. This a citizen, surprised by a vicious attacker in their own home with a weapon intent on doing them harm or murder; it takes only the smallest amount of compassion to imagine the victims sheer terror, and probably not many psychologists to educate the jury on a basic matter of human nature popularly called the flight or fight response. Like all things in life, there is room for some gray area between black or white (black being murder, and white being an ideal metered response that we would expect from trained LE).
Cyril
07-30-2009, 08:10 PM
It is easy to be metered from the safety of an arm-chair behind a computer screen. We would hope though that a jury wouldn't be quite so smug and that our legal system would take into account the situation. This isn't paid LE being talked about. This a citizen, surprised by a vicious attacker in their own home with a weapon intent on doing them harm or murder; it takes only the smallest amount of compassion to imagine the victims sheer terror, and probably not many psychologists to educate the jury on a basic matter of human nature popularly called the flight or fight response. Like all things in life, there is room for some gray area between black or white (black being murder, and white being an ideal metered response that we would expect from trained LE).
That material was not even relevant to the discussion.
xdamage
07-30-2009, 08:27 PM
That material was not even relevant to the discussion.
Actually I feel it is, and the reason is simple. If any of us actually found ourselves in the position of some stranger with a knife in our own homes ... when your adrenaline is pumping at max level, when your terror level is turned up so high you can barely register what is going on, all this arm chair bravado and intellectualizing is just a bunch of BS.
Many of us would just react... and shoot! It isn't like the movies where the actors are well prepped, re-hearsed, and know there is no real danger.
And likewise it's utter BS to insist we would do better in the shoes of the dancer because if we were her, with her life experiences, in her situation, we'd be her and react like her. And her response isn't that unreasonable, and nor is shooting the fucker who comes into your house with a knife, when we stop worrying more about the rights of the attackers than the victims.
Cyril
07-30-2009, 08:35 PM
Actually I feel it is, and the reason is simple. If any of us actually found ourselves in the position of some stranger with a knife in our own homes ... when your is pumping at max level, when your terror level is turned up so high you can barely register what is going on, all this arm chair bravado and intellectualizing is just a bunch of BS.
Many of us would just react... and shoot! It isn't like the movies where the actors are well prepped, re-hearsed, and know there is no real danger.
And likewise it's utter BS to insist we would do better in the shoes of the dancer because if we were her, with her life experiences, in her situation, we'd be her and react like her. And her response isn't that unreasonable, and nor is shooting the fucker who comes into your house with a knife, when we stop worrying more about the rights of the attackers than the victims.
You are supposed to keep yourself in control. If you do not then you end up in the jail. That is reality. Your adrenaline is not an excuse to commit a murder. It may earn you some slack but you still have to face the music.
Almost Jaded
07-30-2009, 08:42 PM
You have in the last 2 pages and especially in your responses to my wonderful post and other members who followed it, made the following things absolutely clear to anyone of average or better intellect reading those same 2 pages:
1. - You have no working knowledge of either our legal system, criminal justice sciences, or both, despite you claims.
2. - You have a truly astounding internet equivalent to selective hearing, responding only to those portions of a post you think (wrongly most of the time) you may be able to take on.
3. - You completely lack the basic and necessary ability to see anyone else's POV, and therefor the basic tool with which to caryry on a debate.
4. - More and more of the same listed above, over and over.
Cyril
07-30-2009, 08:46 PM
You have in the last 2 pages and especially in your responses to my wonderful post and other members who followed it, made the following things absolutely clear to anyone of average or better intellect reading those same 2 pages:
1. - You have no working knowledge of either our legal system, criminal justice sciences, or both, despite you claims.
2. - You have a truly astounding internet equivalent to selective hearing, responding only to those portions of a post you think (wrongly most of the time) you may be able to take on.
3. - You completely lack the basic and necessary ability to see anyone else's POV, and therefor the basic tool with which to caryry on a debate.
4. - More and more of the same listed above, over and over.
Once again you wrote tons of texts and yet did not come up with one convincing excuse - why you had to shoot the guy? You should at least give it a try. Come on.
Almost Jaded
07-30-2009, 08:52 PM
I have done so REPEATEDLY.
He was in my home illegally, with a weapon.
That is all I need. You apparently hod yourself to a different standard when it comes to killing a violent criminal. Good for you. Hopefully neither of us fces this scenario IRL; if we do we know 2 things:
1. - I will kill the bad guy and deal with the police asking questions,
2. - You will hold him there (at gunpoint? If you don't have one, how?) until the cops get there - unless he has another weapon or another person in the house, in which case the same cops that examined the scene of the dead bad guy in MY house will be examining the crime scene of the murdered man and his family in yours.
I'm out for 3 days of partying starting tomorrow morning, I've earned a break this week. Ya'll have fun with this.
xdamage
07-30-2009, 08:54 PM
You are supposed to keep yourself in control. If you do not then you end up in the jail. That is reality. Your adrenaline is not an excuse to commit a murder. It may earn you some slack but you still have to face the music.
No offense to AJ but if some wack job entered his home with a knife he wouldn't be thinking clearly; even LE in such conditions often do succumb to the flight or fight reaction.
You know something about this, but you sound like the social workers we use to have to deal with who never actually got their hands dirty working up close with criminals, but were paid to act as their representatives from a safe office.
When/if you are actually in the situation, then come tell me how you are suppose to act. Because my guess is in that moment you will see the truth of what I am about to tell you - "You are suppose to stay alive!" The living can negotiate self-defense vs murder later. The dead cannot.
CKXXX
07-30-2009, 08:57 PM
Dont move to FL Cyril. Here...in OR out of your home,if someone threatens your life or well being(as in rape)..it is perfectly legal to return with deadly force. If someone broke into my home and threatened me with a knife,I'd be completely within my rights AND the law to shoot to kill.
Happened around the corner from my house not long ago. Guys went into a store to rob the place. Walked a 75 yr old man to the back of the store to lock him in the storeroom. He had reason to believe they would kill him once they got back there. He(being an ex Marine and armed) shot the guy and killed him. He was all over the news as a hero and the dead guys PARTNER is being charged with murder,since had they not been robbing the store,his buddy would not have been killed.
Welcome to FL...dont fucking piss us off.
Cyril
07-30-2009, 09:23 PM
1. - I will kill the bad guy and deal with the police asking questions,
You can decide to do whatever you want. The point I am trying to impress upon you is that it will cost you.
You can fool some people some time but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
I am done with you now
Cyril
07-30-2009, 09:27 PM
No offense to AJ but if some wack job entered his home with a knife he wouldn't be thinking clearly; even LE in such conditions often do succumb to the flight or fight reaction.
You know something about this, but you sound like the social workers we use to have to deal with who never actually got their hands dirty working up close with criminals, but were paid to act as their representatives from a safe office.
When/if you are actually in the situation, then come tell me how you are suppose to act. Because my guess is in that moment you will see the truth of what I am about to tell you - "You are suppose to stay alive!" The living can negotiate self-defense vs murder later. The dead cannot.
We are all scared of danger but it is our duty to learn to overcome our fear and muster the courage to do the right thing. A murder of a man who has surrendered is cowardice in my opinion and there is no justification for that. Even in combat where things are much more heated, this kind of action will earn you a court martial and dishonorable discharge.
Have you not seen the pics of those people who were involved in this kind of cold blooded murder in Iraq? They all thought they were too smart to get caught.
mediocrity
07-31-2009, 01:42 AM
You can decide to do whatever you want. The point I am trying to impress upon you is that it will cost you.
You can fool some people some time but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
I am done with you now
WOOOOOW.
it will cost us?
It will cost us what? Our dignity? Or humanity?
You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself. ESPECIALLY since you have limited knowledge and YOU WERE NOT THERE.
Almost Jaded
07-31-2009, 02:48 AM
Med - it was a hypothetical that he invented earlier, not an actual event (thank God). Not that I blame you for not wanting to read through all that, LOL!
Jesus why am I still awake - and being awake, why am I on SW?! Car show tomorrow before the big party starts, wanted to detail her when it was only 90* outside instead of 112, lol. I really should go to bed now.
xdamage
07-31-2009, 05:32 AM
...A murder of a man who has surrendered is cowardice in my opinion and there is no justification for that. Even in combat where things are much more heated, this kind of action will earn you a court martial and dishonorable discharge....
If only life was simple there could be one simple set of rules for everything. But every situation is different, including that you can't easily compare what we require of LE, soldiers, civilians protecting their homes in times of war, and the civilian who is randomly attacked with a deadly weapon in their own home. Different situations, different mental states. Sorry if that is bothersome that it doesn't all fit into a neat little package of rules but should you ever actually find yourself in such a traumatic situation then you'll grasp the PoV you cannot grasp until then.
Just remember one thing. A man who breaks into your home with a weapon and intent to harm you has not exactly proven himself to be honest. Weigh that when you weigh if his surrender is sincere.
JayATee
07-31-2009, 10:43 AM
Wow... you guys took that off into places I never expected it to go lol.
It comes down to intent and malice people. It has absolutely nothing to do with who is right or wrong or your personal opinions on the matter. You have the right to defend yourself, and your family from harm. Self defense exists for a reason. Someone breaks into your house with the INTENT to cause bodily harm to you you have the RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF. Case closed.
Start adding details though and it obviously gets more complicated.
hockeybobby
07-31-2009, 05:53 PM
You heard the girl....Case Closed! Nothing to see here.....move along....move along.
:)
Gia2608
07-31-2009, 06:00 PM
I had a guy start jacking himself off during a dance tonight.
I don't understand this. Don't you know that the stripper, other strippers in the room, and other patrons are just sitting there think fuck this guys a nasty perve? Wouldn't you rather do it in the privacy of your bathroom, your car or your home?
LOL! I hate guys that jerk off in their cars though because they can't seems to get out of the parking lot first!
Cyril
08-01-2009, 12:02 AM
Sorry if that is bothersome that it doesn't all fit into a neat little package of rules but should you ever actually find yourself in such a traumatic situation then you'll grasp the PoV you cannot grasp until then.
I have been in quite a few traumatic situations and I think most men who get to live as long as I have see at least one traumatic situation in their life.
Fear is your problem to work out. It is not an excuse to commit unwarranted murder.
audrey_k
08-01-2009, 05:49 AM
Two or three of my favorites won't dance for black customers at all, let alone cut them slack in the booth, and have even chastised me for introducing them to black guys I knew because they didn't want to be asked for a dance.
I know some white strippers who won't dance for African-American guys, they always tell me "they're not gonna pay..."
Works for me, I will just pick up on those customers! I have never had a problem with African-American customers, they've been some of my best.
Elvia
08-01-2009, 06:06 PM
Great how did that help pay your bills?
What are you saying? That we should tolerate sexual assault? because defending ourselves against an attack doesn't pay us, we should just let it happen?
really, WTF?
Earl_the_Pearl
08-01-2009, 06:30 PM
What are you saying? That we should tolerate sexual assault? because defending ourselves against an attack doesn't pay us, we should just let it happen?
really, WTF?
It was security that assaulted the customer who was "REALLY drunk". In a civilized situation he would not have been permitted to remain in the bar let alone be permitted to purchase more services.
girlygirl21
08-26-2009, 08:59 PM
This happened to me monday night. Now if a guy is just doing a very quick readjust i dont say anything. But I started dancing for this artsy looking dude, early thirties. He was doing it w the girl before me and I knew he wanted a dance so I told my manager to come check on me incase he kept it up.
I start dancing and he immediantly starts jacking off. He had his hand on his package above his pants. I backed like 3 feet away and I just sort of bopped from side to side. He said "you seem nervous, are you new"
I told him "no, but I am not going anywhere near you until you stop being dirty and jacking yourself off."
He got pissed, threw my money down and left. The dance was only 10 secs in, so it was fast money
mediocrity
08-28-2009, 12:18 PM
^^Haha good for you!
Earl_the_Pearl
08-30-2009, 02:48 AM
Welcome to FL...dont fucking piss us off.
New York City has the most restrictive gun laws in the US of A.
A 72-year-old Harlem business owner used a shotgun to blast four men who tried to rob his restaurant-supply business Thursday afternoon, killing two and sending two others to the hospital with gunshot wounds, the New York City police said.
The police said that the four would-be robbers entered the business and announced that they were robbing it. One of them took out a Glock 9-mm pistol and started to pistol-whip a 33-year-old employee inside the store. The owner then took out a shotgun and opened fire, striking the four men.
Nearly two hours after the shooting, the body of a dead man lay on the sidewalk, its upper half covered in white plastic. The man wore gray pants and white shoes. The sneakers pointed up.
Public records identify the owner as Charles J. Augusto Jr., 72.
The police said they did not believe the shotgun — a Winchester 12-gauge pump shotgun with a pistol grip handle — had been registered, as city law requires. The police also recovered the pistol used by the would-be robber.
I watch the news report and the store owner begged the robbers to leave; they proceeded to beat his employee; an excitable black man the supply store owner was trying to help and set on the straight and narrow. It appears the store owner was not charger and he opened his store the net day. I liked the part in the news story when the beaten employee was kicking the dead guy in the head; the police did stop him.
Both the employee and the owner gave interviews to the new reports; the owner was shaken and sorry; the employee was happy to be alive.
Earl_the_Pearl
08-30-2009, 03:02 AM
What are you saying? That we should tolerate sexual assault? because defending ourselves against an attack doesn't pay us, we should just let it happen?
really, WTF?
You get a visceral thrill but no money;I would worry about the guy dressed in black waiting for the employees to walk to their car. Maby not that night but at a time time of his choosing. You should thank the creator that PLs are PL and don't do that.
BuxomBeauty
08-30-2009, 07:16 AM
After reading this thread, I have one thing to say: I am astounded at the glaringly inconsistent moderation of this site.
black_widow
09-01-2009, 11:29 AM
I have not been going to strip clubs long but on a few occasions I have seen the guy getting himself hard before the dance by touching himself when sitting with a girl. The dancers didn't seem to mind this which surprised me.
Is this typical?
Is it typical for a dude to go to a club where there are naked women and spend the entire time staring at a dude getting his cock hard?
Sounds like you're in the wrong type of strip joint, buddy. Try hitting up Chip and Dales. Maybe the guys there will teabag you and make your night.
:)