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xdamage
07-19-2009, 01:15 PM
I think you are barking at the wrong tree (thread). We left that topic in Audrey's thread.

Here we are discussing, management issue. We want to build a model that can be used to build an ideal strip club.

I am not wet behind the ears. I can read and connect dots.

Here is your exact words from the original post in this thread:

"...This leads to creation of an unhappy stripper who finds satisfaction in knocking down a PL’s drink. Frankly speaking, this kind of situation is not good for anyone and must be avoided at all cost. Let us create an atmosphere in Dream Girls, which will create happy strippers by laying down few rules:"

In fact I would say it is that very thread that resulted in you almost manically burning up god knows how much time writing up your rules in this one versus just letting go of this very same point in the previous thread. The rules that follow, and prelude leading up to the couple sentences above are noise. The sentences I just quoted I would say are the key motivation behind this thread no?

mediocrity
07-19-2009, 01:17 PM
Ok so, no lapdancing.. but what about air dancing and blocks of time?

I worked in a club like that for years, and loved it. For once, I guess I will begrudgingly agree; I never hated dancing til I had to do lapdancing.

charlie61
07-19-2009, 01:19 PM
I don't see the intelligence behind your model. You need to recognize that there is a reason why extremely knowledgeable men/women start these businesses, yet none of them look like your model. And I'm going to have to bring in your lack of experience in the industry to explain your lack of insight.

When you have an entire forum of strippers and customers who don't agree with your model, plus the evidence of an entire industry that also lacks evidence of your model, you must acknowledge that something in your theory is flawed. I don't mean to undercut your knowledge of businesses, but this is a very different kind of business.

xdamage
07-19-2009, 01:19 PM
Yes...I am complicating it. I would think you'd welcome complications if you were trying to build a feasible model.

Yep that is the way you find out if a model works before you do the expensive learning (trial by error). A model that cannot stand up to poking and prodding is almost always flawed, just seems easy/simple because it hasn't stood up to the exceptions/what-ifs/reality.

Cyril
07-19-2009, 01:19 PM
I am not wet behind the ears. I can read and connect dots.

Here is your exact words from the original post in this thread:

"...This leads to creation of an unhappy stripper who finds satisfaction in knocking down a PL’s drink. Frankly speaking, this kind of situation is not good for anyone and must be avoided at all cost. Let us create an atmosphere in Dream Girls, which will create happy strippers by laying down few rules:"

In fact I would say it is that very thread that resulted in you almost manically burning up god knows how much time writing up your rules in this one versus just letting go of this very same point in the previous thread. The rules that follow, and prelude leading up to the couple sentences above are noise. The sentences I just quoted I would say are the key motivation behind this thread no?

Nope. It is regrettable that you think that is the primary motivation.

The primary objective (motivation) of this thread is to build a model for an ideal strip club. The discussion should focus on management issues nothing else.

charlie61
07-19-2009, 01:22 PM
Ok so, no lapdancing.. but what about air dancing and blocks of time?

I worked in a club like that for years, and loved it. For once, I guess I will begrudgingly agree; I never hated dancing til I had to do lapdancing.

Interesting.

You will note, Cyril, that there are a variety of opinions on this board. Again, one of the cool things about this industry is that women (and men) can choose to work in clubs that match their personal tastes for contact levels/nudity levels/ etc. Mediocrity's ideal club would clearly involve air-dancing and whatnot, whereas some women on this board have admitted to preferring very high contact dances (as they are easier to sell and offer a higher earning potential).

There is no panacea here.

Cyril
07-19-2009, 01:24 PM
Ok so, no lapdancing.. but what about air dancing and blocks of time?

I worked in a club like that for years, and loved it. For once, I guess I will begrudgingly agree; I never hated dancing til I had to do lapdancing.

In your experience, do customers find air dancing or block of time satisfying experience? Do they not ask you, what is the difference between watching you on the stage vs watching you in that room?

(I am just trying to understand this whole thing. Not trying to be critical.)

charlie61
07-19-2009, 01:30 PM
^ Customers find the one-on-one attention satisfying. Whether physically, mentally, or emotionally. I work in a light contact/air-dancing club (I can touch their shoulders, straddle their laps with no sexual contact, etc, and they can' t touch me) and make very good money. It all depends on expectations.

I find that many customers enjoy knowing what the contact levels are when they walk in the door. Some customers don't want serious contact (if they did, they could go to other clubs). They recognize value in sexualized entertainment.

xdamage
07-19-2009, 01:35 PM
Nope. It is regrettable that you think that is the primary motivation.

The primary objective (motivation) of this thread is to build a model for an ideal strip club. The discussion should focus on management issues nothing else.

The model is all make believe. You'll never do it, and there is no ideal model anyway, so while it is mildly entertaining, what is real is your primary motivations for starting the thread (which I think is your uncomfy with just admitting your in over your head).

The problem is while it is mildly entertaining, the reason why business models like this remain fantasy is that until you have someone actually putting up their own money, it is all just BS since it is all too easy to create models that do not work, because they do not account for human nature.

FWIW that has often been said about socialism as well. The primary flaw is it is fantasy land, it requires people to have a different nature then they do, which if they did there'd have been no reason for wasting time on it to begin with.

Here is the reality. When you put up your own funds to fund a club. When you are responsible for it, 24/7, succeed or fail, when you can find employees or ICs who abide by your rules, then you'll have the key ingredients required to build a workable business. They key ingredient being real risk. Real costs. But without any actual costs, it's all just fantasy land.. And if SC after SC falls short of what you would do in fantasy land, then it must be your over-looking some important details (e.g., human nature, the costs, the stresses, the competition, what really brings customers in, and much more).

Cyril
07-19-2009, 01:35 PM
Interesting.

You will note, Cyril, that there are a variety of opinions on this board. Again, one of the cool things about this industry is that women (and men) can choose to work in clubs that match their personal tastes for contact levels/nudity levels/ etc. Mediocrity's ideal club would clearly involve air-dancing and whatnot, whereas some women on this board have admitted to preferring very high contact dances (as they are easier to sell and offer a higher earning potential).

There is no panacea here.

I have recognized this very early on in my thread and stated that this model may not work for all the clubs. I also recognize that all dancers are not meant for Dream Girls. And similarly, Dream Girls is not meant for all dancers.

What I am trying to do here is find a happy medium where everyone is happy. I personally think it is worth the try at least in the theory. Who knows someone could be reading this thread and may actually like the model and may actually want to build the Dream Girls. Wishful thinking. :)

charlie61
07-19-2009, 01:40 PM
^ All right. No harm in that. :)

I'm going to have to agree with xdamage though. It's one thing to build a model. But all of the flaws come into play when you actually try to implement the model. And that's where it becomes absolutely crucial that you have in-depth, personal knowledge of strip club businesses (which I, though I've danced for 3 years, cannot even claim to truly have).

Your business model seems to rely on the theory that humans are innately good and utilitarian-minded. Which is clearly problematic.

Cyril
07-19-2009, 01:45 PM
^ Customers find the one-on-one attention satisfying. Whether physically, mentally, or emotionally. I work in a light contact/air-dancing club (I can touch their shoulders, straddle their laps with no sexual contact, etc, and they can' t touch me) and make very good money. It all depends on expectations.

I find that many customers enjoy knowing what the contact levels are when they walk in the door. Some customers don't want serious contact (if they did, they could go to other clubs). They recognize value in sexualized entertainment.

Thanks for the explanation Charlie. Once Dream Girls goes live (in theory) and we are unable to generate enough revenue then we will add the Air Dancing feature.

Next weekend, we will start building (in theory) the actual club building. I have to do some research to see how much will it cost to build a SC the way I want it. I think it will be a nice exercise. I hope people would participate and give some ideas.

Cyril
07-19-2009, 01:47 PM
^ All right. No harm in that. :)

I'm going to have to agree with xdamage though. It's one thing to build a model. But all of the flaws come into play when you actually try to implement the model. And that's where it becomes absolutely crucial that you have in-depth, personal knowledge of strip club businesses (which I, though I've danced for 3 years, cannot even claim to truly have).

Your business model seems to rely on the theory that humans are innately good and utilitarian-minded. Which is clearly problematic.

I agree with you.

But still let us build the Dream Girls right here the way we want it. A club where strippers are happy and they are treated with respect. A club where PLs long to be.

mediocrity
07-19-2009, 01:48 PM
In your experience, do customers find air dancing or block of time satisfying experience? Do they not ask you, what is the difference between watching you on the stage vs watching you in that room?

(I am just trying to understand this whole thing. Not trying to be critical.)

I made more money at that club than any other club. They buy the blocks of time more because they can enjoy your company one on one in a less chaotic environment.

Cyril
07-19-2009, 01:58 PM
I made more money at that club than any other club. They buy the blocks of time more because they can enjoy your company one on one in a less chaotic environment.

Mediocrity, I like your idea plus since this does not involve sitting on someone's lap, I am OK with this idea. So, I am going to add this service to our list of services.

(Done. Added Mediocrity's suggestion to 2.c)

xdamage
07-19-2009, 01:58 PM
Your business model seems to rely on the theory that humans are innately good and utilitarian-minded. Which is clearly problematic.

That seems to be the problem with so many business models that fail.

Cyril
07-19-2009, 02:02 PM
That seems to be the problem with so many business models that fail.

It may very well fail or it may very well succeed. Do not be so negative my man. Chill. :)

charlie61
07-19-2009, 02:04 PM
^He is chill. He's just pointing out a general problem within businesses.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-19-2009, 02:04 PM
we aren't in their shoes.
How do you know what I buy on e-bay. :-*

Many of them are here to vent, plain and simple. They are not asking you to solve it and in fact in trying to do so, you're adding an additional layer of frustration.
to his credit started another thread and did not thread-jack the other. He appears to be sincere in trying to solve what he perceives as a problem.

JayATee
07-19-2009, 02:07 PM
Mediocrity, I like your idea plus since this does not involve sitting on someone's lap, I am OK with this idea. So, I am going to add this service to our list of services.

(Done. Added Mediocrity's suggestion to 2.c)

So you don't want to allow for any customer contact. I sit on guys laps all the time. It's how I connect with them and one of the ways I make my sale, take that element out of it and it will have a detrimental effect on my money. Money is the reason I am in this business. Not to mention that it will leave an entirely hollow feel to the whole club.

I don't even have the time or patience to sit here and write out how many ways your "business model" is flawed. I think you should aquaint yourself with the term bankruptcy.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-19-2009, 02:09 PM
Funny thing is that models (human ones) are considered objects by the principals of modeling industries.
Bingo; dancers and PLs are objects to management. Of course the most efficient business consider employees objects.

Cyril
07-19-2009, 02:12 PM
I don't even have the time or patience to sit here and write out how many ways your "business model" is flawed. I think you should aquaint yourself with the term bankruptcy.

So, you do not want to contribute?

Can you at least tell me as a stripper what benefits would you like that is missing from the list of benefits for strippers?

Dirty Ernie
07-19-2009, 02:15 PM
You can never go bankrupt when you can reach inside your head, pull out your imaginary checkbook and write checks for all your start-up costs for the ideal imaginary stripclub. Why not pay the dancers a million bucks a week while you're at it.

Budgets?...We don't need no stinkin' budgets!

Cyril
07-19-2009, 02:18 PM
You can never go bankrupt when you can reach inside your head, pull out your imaginary checkbook and write checks for all your start-up costs for the ideal imaginary stripclub. Why not pay the dancers a million bucks a week while you're at it.

Budgets?...We don't need no stinkin' budgets!

I think you are missing the point. Dream Girls cannot afford to pay million dollar salary to strippers even in theory. Thanks for your post!

charlie61
07-19-2009, 02:24 PM
I think you are missing the point. Dream Girls cannot afford to pay million dollar salary to strippers even in theory. Thanks for your post!

Sarcasm aside, Dirty Ernie does make a good point. What's the purpose in creating a theoretical club if it fails to stand up to any kind of realistic tests? What do you intend to achieve by creating this fragile model that cannot be implemented?

I ask genuinely. Are you just trying to ask the dancers what we'd like to see in an ideal club?

Cyril
07-19-2009, 02:36 PM
Sarcasm aside, Dirty Ernie does make a good point. What's the purpose in creating a theoretical club if it fails to stand up to any kind of realistic tests? What do you intend to achieve by creating this fragile model that cannot be implemented?

I ask genuinely. Are you just trying to ask the dancers what we'd like to see in an ideal club?

Dancers can list what benefits they would like and if Dream Girls' budget permits it, those benefits will be made available.

Example:
Look at all the ideas suggested by WiseGuy but I only picked three of them and even there I attached my clause based on my business experience.

I will gather lots of statistics as we go along. It will be very realistic exercise. We will refrain from coming up with unrealistic numbers. I will be working on building a budget, give me some time. This will require some research but I can tell you this, million dollar salary is out of question.

The idea is to make a dancer and PL friendly club feasible.

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Next Step:
What the club should look like?
Any suggestion folks?

Dirty Ernie
07-19-2009, 02:48 PM
Dancers can list what benefits they would like and if Dream Girls' budget permits it, those benefits will be made available.

Example:
Look at all the ideas suggested by WiseGuy but I only picked three of them and even there I attached my clause based on my business experience.

I will gather lots of statistics as we go along. It will be very realistic exercise. We will refrain from coming up with unrealistic numbers. I will be working on building a budget, give me some time. This will require some research but I can tell you this, million dollar salary is out of question.

------

Next Step:
What the club should look like?
Any suggestion folks?

If the budget permits it? There is no f-in budget! First rule is know how much capital you have to work with. Then estimate costs. Not enough capital to procede? Time to find investors. They sure as hell will want more tangible answers than whatever the hell you think you're offering here. UHH...
Forget it. I'll just quit this thread and eagerly await the opening of Cyril's Sim SC and hope he lets me in. Can we have candy cane stripper poles and chocolate stages? Pretty please!

ETA: kudos to x and Charlie for displaying the patience and temperament to continue to attempt to engage the OP in a reasonable (yet seemingly futile) discussion.

xdamage
07-19-2009, 02:54 PM
So, you do not want to contribute?

Can you at least tell me as a stripper what benefits would you like that is missing from the list of benefits for strippers?

Cyril now I am not sure if you are aware of another key point. In most SCs the dancers work as ICs. It is not just about how they file taxes either.

In addition to the economic tensions between the club owner, and the customer, the dancers are also competing with each other for available customer dollars. What is ideal for one is not necessarily ideal for another. Exactly what is ideal is very complex itself since it depends on what the competing dancers are doing to gain business, what competing clubs are doing, what the law allows, what the dancer is good at, and some other subtle points.

The hardest thing for people to accept is there is no ideal solution in economics. It's always just trade offs. Some win, some lose. And don't even get me started on socialistic models or employee models. Because those just have other trade offs.

Final point before dinner... a dancer might hate the conditions she works under, but still be a top earner, making good money regularly because of her talents, and those very same conditions. Maybe that makes your head spin, but it is possible that precisely because the job has its stresses (physical, emotional, social stigma, club managers and more) that their income is protected. When the day comes that all of those stresses are removed, what exactly is going to protect them from hundreds of thousands of more dancers entering the business and further causing the pie to be cut thinner?

Cyril
07-19-2009, 02:55 PM
If the budget permits it? There is no f-in budget! First rule is know how much capital you have to work with. Then estimate costs. Not enough capital to procede? Time to find investors. They sure as hell will want more tangible answers than whatever the hell you think you're offering here. UHH...
Forget it. I'll just quit this thread and eagerly await the opening of Cyril's Sim SC and hope he lets me in. Can we have candy cane stripper poles and chocolate stages? Pretty please!

Even if you have investors, you still have to define a budget. Investors are not just going to keep dumping their money into an open ended project.

Important thing to remember is this, once club goes live, we have to remain profitable. More profit club makes, more benefit it can shower on strippers. So, the key challenge would be in running the club efficiently.

I agree investors will want more answers. Why don't you play the devil's advocate and ask the questions?

Earl_the_Pearl
07-19-2009, 02:58 PM
Yes--I would prefer working in a club were I have the OPTION (as an independent contractor, I am currently not required to give LD's... Most clubs I am familiar with take about half of private dance money a little less of VIP room money. If a dancer meets her quota of private dances she gets a reduction in house fees. If she does not sell enough she will get the less desirable shifts or “fined”. So yes they are not required to sell dances yet I have seen the desperation of dancers that have not made their quota.

Cyril
07-19-2009, 03:04 PM
Most clubs I am familiar with take about half of private dance money a little less of VIP room money. If a dancer meets her quota of private dances she gets a reduction in house fees. If she does not sell enough she will get the less desirable shifts or “fined”. So yes they are not required to sell dances yet I have seen the desperation of dancers that have not made their quota.

Good point!

I would like to add one more thing: Dream Girls will not charge any type of house fees from the dancers. This includes tip outs.

JayATee
07-19-2009, 03:05 PM
So, you do not want to contribute?
Can you at least tell me as a stripper what benefits would you like that is missing from the list of benefits for strippers?

Umm, I have contributed.

charlie61
07-19-2009, 03:05 PM
Final point before dinner... a dancer might hate the conditions she works under, but still be a top earner, making good money regularly because of her talents, and those very same conditions. Maybe that makes your head spin, but it is possible that precisely because the job has its stresses (physical, emotional, social stigma, club managers and more) that their income is protected. When the day comes that all of those stresses are removed, what exactly is going to protect them from hundreds of thousands of more dancers entering the business and further causing the pie to be cut thinner?

Very true. And well-said.

Economics involves trying to find balance, not trying to find the absolute best possible solution for everyone.

JayATee
07-19-2009, 03:15 PM
Cyril now I am not sure if you are aware of another key point. In most SCs the dancers work as ICs. It is not just about how they file taxes either.

In addition to the economic tensions between the club owner, and the customer, the dancers are also competing with each other for available customer dollars. What is ideal for one is not necessarily ideal for another. Exactly what is ideal is very complex itself since it depends on what the competing dancers are doing to gain business, what competing clubs are doing, what the law allows, what the dancer is good at, and some other subtle points.

The hardest thing for people to accept is there is no ideal solution in economics. It's always just trade offs. Some win, some lose. And don't even get me started on socialistic models or employee models. Because those just have other trade offs.

Final point before dinner... a dancer might hate the conditions she works under, but still be a top earner, making good money regularly because of her talents, and those very same conditions. Maybe that makes your head spin, but it is possible that precisely because the job has its stresses (physical, emotional, social stigma, club managers and more) that their income is protected. When the day comes that all of those stresses are removed, what exactly is going to protect them from hundreds of thousands of more dancers entering the business and further causing the pie to be cut thinner?

Again, another post the thank you button does not sufficiently cover.

Cyril
07-19-2009, 03:15 PM
Cyril now I am not sure if you are aware of another key point. In most SCs the dancers work as ICs. It is not just about how they file taxes either.

In addition to the economic tensions between the club owner, and the customer, the dancers are also competing with each other for available customer dollars. What is ideal for one is not necessarily ideal for another. Exactly what is ideal is very complex itself since it depends on what the competing dancers are doing to gain business, what competing clubs are doing, what the law allows, what the dancer is good at, and some other subtle points.

The hardest thing for people to accept is there is no ideal solution in economics. It's always just trade offs. Some win, some lose. And don't even get me started on socialistic models or employee models. Because those just have other trade offs.

Final point before dinner... a dancer might hate the conditions she works under, but still be a top earner, making good money regularly because of her talents, and those very same conditions. Maybe that makes your head spin, but it is possible that precisely because the job has its stresses (physical, emotional, social stigma, club managers and more) that their income is protected. When the day comes that all of those stresses are removed, what exactly is going to protect them from hundreds of thousands of more dancers entering the business and further causing the pie to be cut thinner?

I am aware that dancers work as IC. The benefit I was talking about was about more than just the health care. It includes child care facility, etc since lots of strippers are single moms. Is there a law which prevents a company from offering health care to its independent contractors for a reasonable price? If no then Dream Girls would like to offer health care to its independent contractors or else alternate options will be explored.

I have already said this in a response to Charlie but I will repeat this again:
There will be plenty of room for individuals to show their personal excellence. There will be well defined milestones to measure how each stripper is doing. These milestones will include tip earned by her on stage, block of time sold be her, amount of alcohol sold by her, etc. All of these will be recorded. Keep in mind strippers at Dream Girls will get paycheck. These paychecks will vary from stripper to stripper. If she sales more, she makes more money. That is it. Simple. They will pay their taxes just like anyone else. They will be a proud and contributing member of the society, well they already are. It will just make it even better.

JayATee
07-19-2009, 03:22 PM
I am aware that dancers work as IC. The benefit I was talking about was about more than just the health care. It includes child care facility, etc since lots of strippers are single moms. Is there a law which prevents a company from offering health care to its independent contractors for a reasonable price? If no then Dream Girls would like to offer health care to its independent contractors or else alternate options will be explored.

I have already said this in a response to Charlie but I will repeat this again:
There will be plenty of room for individuals to show their personal excellence. There will be well defined milestones to measure how each stripper is doing. These milestones will include tip earned by her on stage, block of time sold be her, amount of alcohol sold by her, etc. All of these will be recorded. Keep in mind strippers at Dream Girls will get paycheck. These paychecks will vary from stripper to stripper. If she sales more, she makes more money. That is it. Simple. They will pay their taxes just like anyone else. They will be a proud and contributing member of the society, well they already are. It will just make it even better.


How exactly are you, as a company going to offer health care to independant contractors? They are not employees. They are self-employed. You would change the entire dynamic. Are you aware of minimum wage and tax law? There would be huge ramifications to this, which is why no one has done it thus far.

As for child care, where would you place this facility? You obviously can't have it in the same place as the naked dancers. Truly you couldn't even have such a facility attached or on the same property. It would be considered child endagerment. So you're going to create a place away from the club? Who is footing the bill for all of this? Where do you intend to get all your funding?

And stripper milestones??? Are you fucking kidding me? Why would we need such a thing? Each girl is already aware of how much money she makes and whether she is a top earner in her club or not. Why the hell would you do this? This won't help anyone. All it will do is create animosity among the dancers. We do perfectly fine without management rating us.

Besides that, PAYING US MAKES US EMPLOYEES NOT IC'S. Refer back to my first paragraph in this post.

SteveSmith
07-19-2009, 03:23 PM
Here's the Fantasy:


http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6241/stripclub.png



Here's the Reality:


http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2396/jackshack111.jpg


:rotfl:

Cyril
07-19-2009, 03:30 PM
How exactly are you, as a company going to offer health care to independant contractors? They are not employees. They are self-employed. You would change the entire dynamic. Are you aware of minimum wage and tax law? There would be huge ramifications to this, which is why no one has done it thus far.

As for child care, where would you place this facility? You obviously can't have it in the same place as the naked dancers. Truly you couldn't even have such a facility attached or on the same property. It would be considered child endagerment. So you're going to create a place away from the club? Who is footing the bill for all of this? Where do you intend to get all your funding?

I thank you for contributing finally. I will drop the health care thing. I know the work around but it is not necessary because strippers make lots of money so they certainly can purchase their own health care.

Child care facility will be built on a separate building of course. Dream Girls will keep this benefit on the list.

We will get to the funding part later. Let us list the benefits and the objectives first.

yoda57us
07-19-2009, 03:34 PM
I have to say this, management at most strip clubs is not doing a great job. I doubt they even think about building a clearly defined business doctrine.


I actually I don't agree with this. The business doctrine is pretty basic.

1. Unlock the front door so the customers can get in.

2. Unlock the employee entrance so the dancers, bartenders and waitresses can get in.

3. Don't run out of liquor.

4. Lock the door after the customers leave so no one hangs around after wards and drinks the liquor without paying for it.

Granted it's simple but so are most of the folks who own or manage strip clubs...

Cyril
07-19-2009, 03:39 PM
Here's the Fantasy:


http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6241/stripclub.png



Here's the Reality:


http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2396/jackshack111.jpg


:rotfl:


I like the first one. The second one is absolutely horrible.

What I have in mind is a large plot of land. We will construct a large parking facility to accommodate large crowd of PLs. Adjacent to the parking facility will be the main strip club. The strip club will have a backdoor entry and limousine port to allow entry for those who would like to enter the building in a discreet manner.

Everyman
07-19-2009, 03:39 PM
I have a question for PLs, do some of you go to the strip clubs specifically for lap dances; meaning lack of lap dancing will be a deal breaker?

This thread is kind of boring, but I made it this far, at which point I busted out laughing. Literally LOL.

Yes, that would be a deal breaker. Oh I suppose, as it is here in St. Louis, heavy stage-side contact could suffice. But I need one or the other, and likely both -- without the high-contact environment (sexual crack) that has come about the last few years, I would not be an addicted strip club customer.

Cyril
07-19-2009, 03:43 PM
I actually I don't agree with this. The business doctrine is pretty basic.

1. Unlock the front door so the customers can get in.

2. Unlock the employee entrance so the dancers, bartenders and waitresses can get in.

3. Don't run out of liquor.

4. Lock the door after the customers leave so no one hangs around after wards and drinks the liquor without paying for it.

Granted it's simple but so are most of the folks who own or manage strip clubs...

I have two issues with the post:

- What you listed is simply opening and closing procedure. It is not a business doctrine
- Simple folks (the club owners) are not equipped to handle complex issues

JayATee
07-19-2009, 03:49 PM
I thank you for contributing finally. I will drop the health care thing. I know the work around but it is not necessary because strippers make lots of money so they certainly can purchase their own health care.

Child care facility will be built on a separate building of course. Dream Girls will keep this benefit on the list.

We will get to the funding part later. Let us list the benefits and the objectives first.

I contributed earlier. Learn to read.

A seperate facility where? You're going to employ child care workers until 4am? Or do you only plan to operate during normal business hours? Do you have any idea how many ppl are going to be in an out of this place looking for reason to shut you down because of your so called day care facility on the premises? Forget about liquor licenses. Health dept violations, child endagerment charges, I mean the list goes on and on. And you think you're just gonna mosey on past all this stuff? Strippers have had to deal with child care on their own thus far, what makes you think you're better than what they've already been doing?

LoL, and you'll get to the funding part later???? What kind of business person are you?

Seriously, this entire thing is beyond a joke.

yoda57us
07-19-2009, 03:49 PM
I have two issues with the post:

- What you listed is simply opening and closing procedure. It is not a business doctrine


It is if you own a strip club...

JayATee
07-19-2009, 03:51 PM
Good point!

I would like to add one more thing: Dream Girls will not charge any type of house fees from the dancers. This includes tip outs.

You're not going to charge a house fee? So you're going to let us come in, make all our money and not pay you for the use of your facility while you incur all the expenses from owning and maintaing said facility.

Yeah, your investors are gonna love this.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-19-2009, 03:53 PM
Here's the Reality:


http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2396/jackshack111.jpg






http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/earlcamembert/Ihitit.jpg

Cyril
07-19-2009, 03:54 PM
I contributed earlier. Learn to read.

A seperate facility where? You're going to employ child care workers until 4am? Or do you only plan to operate during normal business hours? Do you have any idea how many ppl are going to be in an out of this place looking for reason to shut you down because of your so called day care facility on the premises? Forget about liquor licenses. Health dept violations, child endagerment charges, I mean the list goes on and on. And you think you're just gonna mosey on past all this stuff? Strippers have had to deal with child care on their own thus far, what makes you think you're better than what they've already been doing?

LoL, and you'll get to the funding part later???? What kind of business person are you?

Seriously, this entire thing is beyond a joke.

Settle down young woman.

Here is how projects are designed and developed:

1. You lay out what you want - your objective
2. Calculate the cost

If you have enough funds to build what you want then proceed and build it. If you do not have enough money then compromise meaning remove some of the bells and whistles or find more investors.

Laughing is good. It is better than ...........

JayATee
07-19-2009, 03:56 PM
Settle down young woman.



Don't patronize me.

Cyril
07-19-2009, 03:57 PM
You're not going to charge a house fee? So you're going to let us come in, make all our money and not pay you for the use of your facility while you incur all the expenses from owning and maintaing said facility.

Yeah, your investors are gonna love this.

There will be an equitable distribution of all the revenues generated. We will come to that when we design operation details. However, there is brief outline in one of my early posts. Please read.

JayATee
07-19-2009, 03:58 PM
There will be an equitable distribution of all the revenues generated. We will come to that when we design operation details. However, there is brief outline in one of my early posts. Please read.

No thanks, I've about had all I can stomach of this. Im going to go to work, in a real SC that knows what the hell they're doing. ::)