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Earl_the_Pearl
07-19-2009, 04:00 PM
No thanks, I've about had all I can stomach of this. Im going to go to work, in a real SC that knows what the hell they're doing. ::)
Sunday night slow no?

Cyril
07-19-2009, 04:01 PM
No thanks, I've about had all I can stomach of this. Im going to go to work, in a real SC that knows what the hell they're doing. ::)

You are not reading all the details as a result you have a wrong conception. There will be very well defined means of keeping track of generated revenues and a formula will be devised to split the revenue between concerned parties.

JayATee
07-19-2009, 04:04 PM
You are not reading all the details as a result you have a wrong conception. There will be very well defined means of keeping track of generated revenues and a formula will be devised to split the revenue between concerned parties.

Umm, yes I have read all the details thanks. It sickens me.

And you are completely clueless as to dealing with in this business which is why your "model" is so disgustingly flawed.

xdamage
07-19-2009, 04:04 PM
Settle down young woman. ...

Rule #13 - No patronizing the dancers.

And I mean patronizing as in definition #3 defined here:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/patronizing

1. To act as a patron to; support or sponsor.
2. To go to as a customer, especially on a regular basis.
3. To treat in a condescending manner.

#1 and #2 you already refuse to do (actually go to a SC and find out what it is really all about).

JayATee
07-19-2009, 04:05 PM
Sunday night slow no?

Depends. Later on I always, always make decent money. Every little bit helps the vacation fund. ;)

JayATee
07-19-2009, 04:05 PM
Rule #13 - No patronizing the dancers.

And I mean patronizing as in definition #3 defined here:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/patronizing

1. To act as a patron to; support or sponsor.
2. To go to as a customer, especially on a regular basis.
3. To treat in a condescending manner.

#1 and #2 you already refuse to do (actually go to a SC and find out what it is really all about).

You know, I really do like you more and more. ;D

xdamage
07-19-2009, 04:09 PM
^^^ ;)

Cyril
07-19-2009, 04:09 PM
There was nothing condescending about it. But I will ignore the bait and move on to take the much needed break.

When I come back, we will start the next phase.

JayATee
07-19-2009, 04:21 PM
There was nothing condescending about it. But I will ignore the bait and move on to take the much needed break.

When I come back, we will start the next phase.

The only one baiting here is you. You constantly say things just short of being bad enough to get you banned, but just enough to infuriate everyone you're posting to.

But like I said, Im done with this. It's too absurd for me.

xdamage
07-19-2009, 04:34 PM
There was nothing condescending about it. But I will ignore the bait and move on to take the much needed break.

When I come back, we will start the next phase.

I'm gonna move on too but Cyril, come on... it isn't rocket science. You essentially told her to shut up, implying she should just be a good dumb immature young girl and mind her place. You really are unaware why that is condescending? baiting?

If you were her, in her shoes, working in the business and someone with no experience came in here and told you to hush youngster, you'd be like "oh ya, thanks for reminding me that I just work in the business, of course you know best" I am guessing no, you'd react exactly the same.

mediocrity
07-19-2009, 05:02 PM
Settle down young woman.



That is seriously disrespectful dude. If someone said that to me in person and they weren't my mother or father I'd smack them across the face.

charlie61
07-19-2009, 07:38 PM
Cyril. Check out other peoples' responses to you. I think you need to be a bit more humble about the knowledge you possess regarding strip clubs...for real. You're doing a good job of being respectful, but you aren't hearing what people are saying. You're just saying "Thanks!" and then not really applying what's being posted.

You'll notice that most of the women and men who actually DO have knowledge regarding this business (as an economic entity, not just as a job/hobby) haven't contributed one thing to the thread (i.e. Paris, BritneyIreland, etc.). Doesn't that tell you something?

I'm all for thought experiments, but this has reached a level of unrealistic-ness that makes your business model pointless. That's just what I see.

Regardless, I'll merely bow out of the thread (and continue moderating it for future altercations).

Gia2608
07-19-2009, 07:49 PM
Capitalism is not necessarily a bad thing. The idea of deploying a system which generates maximum output (money) with minimum input (labor) is called "efficiency" and this is a good thing. I think all businesses including strip club businesses should be efficient.


Didn't say it was. Def. not a commie!!!! Most clubs are not efficient. They are either making money hand over fist or they are barely managing to stay open. You're not going to have a club that rakes in $500,000 in liquor sales every month if you don't spend a ton on adverttising, have a nice decor (not cheap) and the hottest girls (which means you have to spend on things to keep them happy as well).

Earl_the_Pearl
07-19-2009, 07:56 PM
You'll notice that most of the women and men who actually DO have knowledge regarding this business (as an economic entity, not just as a job/hobby) haven't contributed one thing to the thread (i.e. Paris, BritneyIreland, etc.). Doesn't that tell you something?
Sex sells; the people that manage sex workers are not rocket scientists. I know a guy that got fired form a labor job in a local town because he could not handle a broom. He has been running his aged and ailing father's club for a couple of years and it hasn't gone under; yet.

He gets more head in his basement office then a rock star. Of course he follows the tried and true club business plan. He added a private dance area and gets half the fee and he remains no contact. ;)

charlie61
07-19-2009, 08:05 PM
^ Managing is one thing. Running/owning such a business is a whole different issue.

gameover
07-19-2009, 08:18 PM
cyril, I haven't decided if you are trolling, pandering to the strippers, or are sincere and just have no business savvy.

The club you are describing sounds so bland it would probably only appeal to the target audience of c-span. And even at that, I may be insulting the c-span audience--I think even they would be bored :)

In fact, I think I would rather watch c-span than go to your club.


I kept reading the post waiting for a smily face or something else to indicate "April Fools", but the post was actually serious? :O

Cyril
07-19-2009, 08:21 PM
I'm all for thought experiments, but this has reached a level of unrealistic-ness that makes your business model pointless. That's just what I see.



What is unrealistic about this plan? I mean we can kill the thread if you feel it is a waste of bandwidth but I still do not see why is it so unrealistic?

charlie61
07-19-2009, 08:24 PM
^ For all of the reasons everyone has stated in this thread.

Ah well, you're doing no harm. Carry on, I say! :)

Cyril
07-19-2009, 08:24 PM
Charlie,

Look at the response of gameover. How can we have a meaningful discussion with posts like that. This is pretty much what I have been getting. People just do not seem to be open to a new idea.

Cyril
07-19-2009, 08:26 PM
^ For all of the reasons everyone has stated in this thread.

Ah well, you're doing no harm. Carry on, I say! :)

I have tried to address all the concerns that were raised by posters. I will go ahead and read the posts again just in case I missed anything.

charlie61
07-19-2009, 08:27 PM
^ Honestly, I think the reason you've now started getting responses like that (even from me) is because you aren't listening to the problems people are raising. You basically just said that you aren't trying to build a real strip club. Which I think seems pointless to a lot of people.

charlie61
07-19-2009, 08:30 PM
Dancers can list what benefits they would like and if Dream Girls' budget permits it, those benefits will be made available.

Such as this. There is no budget, so how can you expect people to contribute ideas?

Furthermore, there isn't anything inherently wrong with the current SC business models. They function. Everyone makes money. It isn't perfect, but they're generally functional. Which is about as perfect as economics gets.

WiseGuy_TX
07-19-2009, 08:31 PM
...Cyril, these are on my club wish list.

1. A Starbucks.
2. Wifi/bluetooth whatever, so i can pay for dances with Paypal.
3. And i want city papers filed designating the strip club as a church. I want to fuck with city ordinances and lawyers over those rights. Maybe some Sunday preaching by the DJ with some stage dancing to gospel music, ......yea, the moralist would love that.::)
4. And i want David Hasselhoff shining shoes.

Cyril
07-19-2009, 08:33 PM
^ Honestly, I think the reason you've now started getting responses like that (even from me) is because you aren't listening to the problems people are raising. You basically just said that you aren't trying to build a real strip club. Which I think seems pointless to a lot of people.

I see....

I will put a break on any more posting. I will read the whole thing one more time to see what I am missing. If you feel this way then there got to be some vital stuff that I am missing.

Cyril
07-19-2009, 08:41 PM
Such as this. There is no budget, so how can you expect people to contribute ideas?

Furthermore, there isn't anything inherently wrong with the current SC business models. They function. Everyone makes money. It isn't perfect, but they're generally functional. Which is about as perfect as economics gets.

To be honest with you, budget for building this project will not be an issue, once you are able to sell the idea to the investors. Let us assume we sold the idea to the investors. Our budget was approved and we built the Dream Girls.

It is ready. The main point is how do we run this club so that all parties PLs, strippers and principals are happy.

Under current scheme of things interests of club owners are very well protected of course because they own the club. But it seems like dancers and PLs get screwed. So, my thought was to build a business model which will be different from the rest of the strip clubs to see if this results in increased profitability for dancers and club owners as well.

But somewhere in the exchange, people lost my initial message, I think.

Cyril
07-19-2009, 08:45 PM
...Cyril, these are on my club wish list.

1. A Starbucks.
2. Wifi/bluetooth whatever, so i can pay for dances with Paypal.
3. And i want city papers filed designating the strip club as a church. I want to fuck with city ordinances and lawyers over those rights. Maybe some Sunday preaching by the DJ with some stage dancing to gospel music, ......yea, the moralist would love that.::)
4. And i want David Hasselhoff shining shoes.

I picked three ideas from your original suggestions:

1. Health care for dancers
2. Day care center
3. Profession dressing room

But, JayATee was able to shoot down first two.

charlie61
07-19-2009, 08:58 PM
To be honest with you, budget for building this project will not be an issue, once you are able to sell the idea to the investors. Let us assume we sold the idea to the investors. Our budget was approved and we built the Dream Girls.



It is ready. The main point is how do we run this club so that all parties PLs, strippers and principals are happy.



Under current scheme of things interests of club owners are very well protected of course because they own the club. But it seems like dancers and PLs get screwed. So, my thought was to build a business model which will be different from the rest of the strip clubs to see if this results in increased profitability for dancers and club owners as well.



But somewhere in the exchange, people lost my initial message, I think.




^ You're right I think.

Could you concisely state your original purpose? Without all of the specs? I think your purpose is too broad to generate responses.

Obviously, if strippers were building the perfect business, we'd all be paid to sit on our asses and get paid millions (same as anyone's ideal job). If customers were building the perfect business, they wouldn't have to pay anything, and would get whatever they requested. So your purpose in proposing such a question is foggy.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-19-2009, 09:23 PM
^ Managing is one thing. Running/owning such a business is a whole different issue.
His father is no longer able to have a hand in the business; when his wife died he went down hill fast.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-19-2009, 09:43 PM
a waste of bandwidth
Cyril my man. 99 and 44/100% of the interweb is a waste of bandwidth unless one is an IPS selling bandwidrth.

chris91
07-19-2009, 11:19 PM
This will require some research but I can tell you this, million dollar salary is out of question.


What about a $1000 dollars a night? How about $500? Any less than that and you're asking me to take a pay cut to work at dream girls. How much will you charge for drinks in order to make enough money to pay out $10,000 dollars a night in dancer salaries alone?

The truth is that money is the bottom line. Until you can offer some specific details about what kind of money your dancers will make, dream girls is a virtual shithole.

People are saying that you never go to strip clubs. Is that true?

audrey_k
07-20-2009, 12:25 AM
I have read a few detailed posts written by Audrey on couple of threads in customer conversation section. These posts quite accurately depict the frustration and helplessness that is felt by many strippers. These frustrations often find an outlet through rude behavior directed towards a PL.

I am convinced that the strip clubs are being managed in an unprofessional manner. I did not want to hijack Audrey’s thread so I decided to start a new thread to discuss this topic.

In order to keep the discussion focused, we are going to make one vital assumption:
PLs are angels and they can do no harm.

I know the above assumption will cause some heartburn, especially in certain quarters. So let me explain the reason behind it; PLs can be forced to comply with any regulation set forth by the management. So, it is pointless to discuss PLs as actors in this domain.

In this domain there are two actors; principals of the club and professional strippers who are contracted to work at the club. Both of these actors have financial interest in the domain (strip club).

I would like to create a model, which can be used to build an ideal strip club. Before we start building the model, let us give it a name. Let us call it “Dream Girls”.

Let us define the criteria that will make Dream Girls an ideal strip club. An ideal strip club will have to meet at least three requirements, which I am going to lay out shortly. We will call it three pillars of strip clubs:

1. Profitability: Dream Girls venture has to be a profitable one with prolonged sustainability
2. Happy Strippers: Stripers that work at Dream Girls will have to be happy professionals
3. Big Crowd: PLs love Dream Girls and dart towards it after their work is over

1. Profitability: The principals will have to identify all sources of income and make sure that they are exploited to further the interest of the club. These sources include:
a. Cover charges
b. Marked up prices for drinks
c. Equitable distribution of tips generated by strippers

This will ensure that club remains profitable. Keep in mind if there is no club then there will be no place for strippers to dance.

2. Happy Strippers: It seems like under current scheme of things they are getting short end of the stick. Their interests are not adequately protected. This leads to creation of an unhappy stripper who finds satisfaction in knocking down a PL’s drink. Frankly speaking, this kind of situation is not good for anyone and must be avoided at all cost. Let us create an atmosphere in Dream Girls, which will create happy strippers by laying down few rules:
a. All gentlemen sitting in the front row must tip at least one dollar per song
b. Touching or groping strippers must not be allowed. This should be a ground for an immediate expulsion from the Dream Girls
c. Lap dancing will not be allowed because this demeans strippers and downgrades them to a stature of prostitute but private Air Dancing or purchase of Block of Time will be allowed
d. Strippers should be given an equitable share of the revenue generated by cover charges and drink sales just like the club will be given an equitable share of revenue generated by tips to strippers
e. All contracts between strippers and Dream Girls will be in writing
f. A professional dressing room will be provided for dancers where they can enjoy their breaks, do their makeups, etc. Each dancer will have her own cubicle equipped with mirror and comfortable chair. The dressing room will have clean bathroom
g. Security personnel will be given clear direction to make sure that dancers are safe at all times

(Ladies feel free to add any criteria that I may have missed.)

3. Big Crowd: If PLs are treated nicely then they will flock in large number bringing in valuable revenue for the club and strippers. So, let us lay down some ground rules on how PLs should be treated in Dream Girls:
a. A stripper must never be allowed to knock down a PL’s drink. This shall constitute a ground for termination of her contract with Dream Girls
b. A PL must not grope or touch a dancer. He shall not engage in any obscene activity at the premises
c. He must tip at least one dollar per song if he is sitting in the front row
d. He must pay his cover charges
e. He must buy drink(s) for the dancer he is sitting with

This should get us started on building Dream Girls, the most efficiently managed strip club in the entire USA.

Keep in mind the focus is on the management not on the PLs.

I hope this thread will create meaningful abstraction, which can be used by some new club owner to instantiate Dream Girls.

You seriously piss me off more than any PL I have ever had Cyril. I would like to tell you to do a couple things to yourself but I will hold back my utter disgust and [attempt to] respond intelligently.

Let me begin by saying, I love the general manager at my club. I also love the owner. They are awesome guys and 70% of the reason I have toughed it out at my club despite extreme recent hardships. My gm helps me out $ wise when he knows I am having a string of hard nights, as he does for many girls. He speaks to me in a respectful manner and does not tell me what to do. The assistant managers and support staff are another story… but none of them can possibly compare to the utter hatred I have for some of the “gentlemen” who have been my customers.

I do not appreciate you making personal attacks on me in your ridiculous Utopian strip club proposal. This club that you are trying to sell will make no $, at least not in California, and this is the only state I have danced in. Guys go to strip clubs to get lap dances—especially here because we cannot serve alcohol. I do not mind giving lap dances; the amount of money I can make on a good PL in 30 minutes is insane ($600 before fees and tipouts). While I do prefer stage dancing, I see lap dances as my main source of income. Many girls at my club do not make bank on stage and make all their money in LDs. So, in addition to your customers being unhappy, your strippers will also not be pleased.

Customers want to spend their $ how they want. This is why I am very hesitant to ask for tips—I do not think that customers like being told what to tip or even really pushed to do so. They want to feel like the dancer appreciates their tips but is not expecting them. I do like people telling me how to spend my money in my daily life or telling me I should tip them, so this is understandable. Customers are not going to appreciate you telling them they have to tip a stripper a $1 per song. Nor are they going to appreciate you draining them of their money through cover charges and overpriced drinks when they can only sit at the stage and watch and talk to dancers.

You seem to misunderstand what I am angry about in regards to customers. There are two types that I despise; a) freeloaders and b) perverts. The second is obvious (guys who decide to make me an extras girl in LDs and I have to physically fight them off) and the first is a guy who is spending money on NO girl. I dance on stage many times a night and sometimes I am tipped, sometimes guys make it “rain” and sometimes guys who tipped all the other girls $100 walk away from the stage the moment I step up. This sucks and can be hurtful but I just try to win them over for some of the first song and if I can’t I walk to the other side of the stage and in my head tell them they’re idiots and don’t know what they’re missing and dance for whoever is at the other side of the club, even if that is only the waitress.

As DancerWealth states there is an infinite amount of $ in the room but it is not an even split. These customers have credit cards, ATM cards, checkbooks—they have $. They paid for the cover and overpriced drink. But the $ in the room is not going to be split evenly. It is the dancers job to extract the $ from these customers, and to put up with customers who to her may seem cheap but to another girl the most generous customer she’s ever had.

Freeloaders are men who no spend money on any girl. THESE are the men I want to push out of the club with my 7 inch heels. However, while your strategy would eliminate them somewhat it would also decrease the amount of possible money for dancers. Without VIPs/LDs and a mandatory tip (decreasing the amount the PL could give to one dancer, since he has to tip them all) the dancer would not be able to make the profit she can in a regular club.

Putting up with freeloaders and perverts is part of my job and any other dancer’s job. It’s my responsibility to do my job as good as I possibly can. But when a man is set on spending no money on any girl, and then is rude to me, there is nothing I can do. I do not blame the management for these customers, nor do I blame them for the perverts. You say “customers are angels and can do no wrong.” Well, you are offensive. Do not take the responsibility off of the customer by blaming the management for their behavior. The management did not just stick their finger up my ass or call me a rip off bitch in front of ten customers because I wouldn't give them a hand job in the LD room, tell me to shut the fuck up or go away, that I look like a little boy/cokehead/tweaker or that I need to start going to the gym adn get breasts implants or that there's no way they'd pay $40 to see me naked. These men are angels? Really? While management can obviously tell any customer to leave, I have still had to put up with some guy sticking his finger, that's been god knows where, in my for the second before I slapped his hand away and snapped at him. Unless management starts doing personality tests on their customers before letting them enter, there is no way to avoid these men and it is not their fault. So no, I am not an angry stripper taking my anger out on angelic PLs, it is directed in the appropriate direction.

I like this board because I can come and discuss the things about this job that make me want to rip my hair out or cry myself to sleep with other girls who have been in the same situation and are also new dancers or have been dancing for decades. I also like to see the customer perspective. However you do not fall into either of these categories. You are not a customer and you have not been in a strip club in ten years; while admittedly I had not hit two digits ten years ago, from the dancers that I know that were dancing then things have changed considerably. Customers have gotten cheaper and expect more for their money. There are more extras going around. Management takes more money, yes, but there is also less $ going into the club.

You are also not a dancer, but worse than this you seem to think you have some perspective into our job-lives, that you somehow understand what we go through. Unless you have been a dancer you really have no idea what it feels like, you can read as many threads or memoirs as you want but until you’ve done it for yourself you really can’t imagine how low the lows are and how high the highs are. The fact that you refuse to acknwledge this and instead post condescending replies is just plain annoying. Your posts are offensive and they are a waste of space.

verfolgung
07-20-2009, 06:05 PM
... You'll notice that most of the women and men who actually DO have knowledge regarding this business (as an economic entity, not just as a job/hobby) haven't contributed one thing to the thread (i.e. Paris, BritneyIreland, etc.). Doesn't that tell you something? ...


LOL - Reading this makes me realize how much I miss Crow2, and how she would respond.


Here's an Idea. I'm going to open a club across the street from you called "Real Girls". My busniess model will consist of hiring Charlie61 as my Day Shift Manager, Mediocrity as my Night Shift Manager, and JayATee as our General Counsel. Then I'm going to get the hell out of the way, and watch them put you out of business. :P

Okay on a more serious note, admittedly I did not read every line of this thread in detail, so I may have missed something. However, one thing I did not see any consideration for local laws. While "Dream Girls" might work in a few select areas, like say northern MA, in many other areas you simply will not compete. For example, not offering lap dances in areas where it is both legal and the norm, will guarantee your quick and eventual demise. So, if you really want your model to work, you're first goal is going to have to change the laws, otherwise you are going to have to adjust your model.

Almost Jaded
07-20-2009, 06:42 PM
Yikes. I gave up on page 4, my brain hurt. i tried to scan from there, but it seemed like more of the same.

Cyril - let me respond to this by letting you and everyone else know what I do for a living these days.

My partners and I set up a holding company. That company opens new businesses. We look into all kinds of things. Specifically unspecific - ANYTHING that catches our attention. We research the ever living shit out of it. What others are doing, who's making money and how much and for how long and on and on. Then we look at ways to do it better. A lot more research. Suffice it to say our last business plan was 136 pages long and had over 1,600 man hours in it. If we think we can make a profit, we dive in. If not, we don't.

In other words - we do exactly what you're talking about here, for a lot of different industries, all the time. And don't think for one microsecond we haven't looked into opening a gentleman's club. In fact, we probably will in the near future, and it will be what you're doing here. o let me share a few things.

First - I realize this is a theoretical "model", but even those need a lot of homework before one could even consider something as basic as your first post. As was pointed out later in the thread, you didn't even have a budget in mind.

Second - this theoretical club model will alter DRASTICALLY depending on where it's opened. Like, night and day drastically.

Third - once again, what i do for a living comes into play... We decided early on that our goal was not simply to make money. In fact, other than we need to make a profit, we don't consider how much we could make when looking into a business model - only that it could make a profit. Our sole goal down the road is to beat Google and the others in the Top 100 places to work. We've worked for other people most of our lives. We know the drill. We want happy employees. That said - even with employee satisfaction as the primary goal in the big picture, founding a business like youve' outlined with the dancers happiness as the foundation and not taking your CUSTOMERS into account is insane. You could have 100 of the happiest, prettiest, most devoted dancers on earth - and if the customers don't like the joint, you're screwed. Pretty basic, lol.

Fourth - you need to know the industry you're going into. I'll try to be a little less vitriolic than Jay, but her point (as they usually are) is very valid - you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You'd better start going to clubs a LOT, and a LOT of different clubs, in a LOT of different places, before you start even dreaming about this place. Get to know dancers beyond this board. Get to know managers beyond what the dancers here say about them. Same with owners. Etc.

Fifth - Well, this is where I intended to start getting into specifics about your plan, but I don't have time, and a lot of it has been covered bit by bit. Out of curiosity - not an attack - do you own a business? Have you ever owned a business that had overhead beyond a home based family-type operation? I don't want to come down on you, but it doesn't sound like it. Overhead for the things you're outlining is OFF THE FUCKING CHARTS. I know, because we're trying to phase a lot of it in right now. If you take out the partners and just count our employees, just payroll taxes, basic medical, and the other "necessities" cost us almost as much as payroll. And we pay better than most in the areas we hire in, though not by as much as we'd like to eventually. Insurance on a club like that is insane. Legal just as much. And we're not even into TRUE OPERATIONAL overhead.

Sixth - many of the things you base your model on are non-issues. I'm not going into detail again because -again - others already have, and because you don't spend time in clubs and therefor would n't get it anyway.

In closing, there's something to be said for a fresh outlook, one not colored by experience. There's also something to be said for experience. I applaud your intentions, but shake my head at the reality train that I know very well is headed towards you - I know how long it is, what it's carrying, and how fast it's moving. I know a guy who's in teh process of opening a new club in a smaller (not SMALL, but smaller) town in a western state. He has over $1 million in capitol. He;s almost broke and hasn't broken ground yet on the building he had planned. The liquor license alone cost over $100k when all was said and done, despite that fact that he'd budgeted for it by what the city/county said it cost - $20k. They failed to mention the hundreds of hours in legal fees he'd be paying when other businesses and local authorities argued against him and other legal bases that had to be covered. Oops.

When we start one, it will be modest, and we will not consider less than a $3 million capital investment. It could be done for less, but not well - and nothing like close to what you're outlining.

We also considered a brothel done right, think on that for a minute, lol. Our estimated startup for that one (a resort style brothel, like has never been done) is $25 million minimum - STARTUP money.

vmurphy252
07-20-2009, 06:47 PM
^I did not know you were a venture capitalists. Need any IT folks?

Almost Jaded
07-20-2009, 07:01 PM
VC's fund other projects. We only fund our own, LOL.

We have our IT director. You know her a Miss Mynxx. :D

We must be crazy - hiring a stripper for our IT director?!?!? They're all empty-headed bimbos with no education! She must have traded sexual favors of which I was not aware with my partners for an empty job title. Lord knows she couldn't have a bunch of certifications and know how to code, no way. I mean - not a STRIPPER! :P

Cyril
07-20-2009, 07:08 PM
To avoid the unnecessary clutter, let us make one more assumption:
Construction of Dream Girls was a success. Building has been furnished, parking lot is ready and limousine port is ready. I will go ahead and add one more feature – helipad, in case truly important people decided to become PLs of Dream Girls. Dream Girls has an outstanding restaurant and several well-supplied bars (just like you would see in large night clubs). It has an outstanding dressing room for the dancers. If you have any questions regarding further details, please feel free to ask me, I will be more than happy to answer your questions regarding interior design of Dream Girls. We have hired all the support staffs.

Now is the time to interview strippers. Dream Girls is accepting resumes from qualified candidates directly or through a recruiting company.

Management has decided to go for following demographic at Dream Girls:
- 75% Caucasian, Middle Eastern and Latino strippers
- 25% Black and Oriental strippers

It will be an important objective of Dream Girls to make sure that strippers are able to earn at least $500/night. There will be adequate training and guidelines provided so that strippers can excel at Dream Girls.

Required Qualifications / Skills:
- Must be intelligent and creative
- Good verbal communication skills
- Professional attitude towards her work
- Must take pride in her work
- A reasonable dancing skills including ability to handle a pole
- Good hygiene
- A reasonable makeup skills
- Has a collection of fashionable attire
- Friendly and approachable
- No drugs
- No criminal background
- A person of high ethics and moral who will not steal from the PLs or the club
- No vampire makeup at work
- One nose piercing will be allowed
- One piercing per ear will be allowed
- No shaved heads
- Tattoos will be allowed in moderation


PLs, this is your golden opportunity to chime in with any attributes you would like to see in your stripper.

Dream Girls has faxed the job requirements to all the recruiting companies in the area. In addition, advertisements have been placed in local media for the openings at Dream Girls.

The hiring process has begun.

Note: I have appended this post to my first post.

JayATee
07-20-2009, 07:14 PM
^ Epic Fail.

Cyril
07-20-2009, 07:28 PM
^ You're right I think.

Could you concisely state your original purpose? Without all of the specs? I think your purpose is too broad to generate responses.

Obviously, if strippers were building the perfect business, we'd all be paid to sit on our asses and get paid millions (same as anyone's ideal job). If customers were building the perfect business, they wouldn't have to pay anything, and would get whatever they requested. So your purpose in proposing such a question is foggy.

Original Purpose:
- Build a strip club where strippers love to work and PLs long to be

It is my belief that above mentioned objective is possible through efficient management. We will get into that once Dream Girls opens to public. Please let me know if you have any suggestions regarding hiring process.

xdamage
07-20-2009, 07:30 PM
Here, I fixed it for you. I cut the fat and re-worded the meat a bit... . hope you don't mind -


...let us make one more assumption:

The person dreaming up this idea would actually have gone to a Strip Club.

Cyril
07-20-2009, 07:31 PM
^ Epic Fail.

Are you angry about "No vampire makeup at work" clause?

Cyril
07-20-2009, 07:38 PM
Cyril my man. 99 and 44/100% of the interweb is a waste of bandwidth unless one is an IPS selling bandwidrth.

That is so true.

JayATee
07-20-2009, 07:39 PM
Are you angry about "No vampire makeup at work" clause?


You don't get it. And I'm done responding. This whole thread should have been deleted when you posted it, and your latest gem of a post is no exception.

verfolgung
07-20-2009, 07:40 PM
Cyril, will your company be publicly traded? I'd like to make a killing by sell your stock short. Thanks. ;)

mediocrity
07-20-2009, 07:41 PM
Dude. Did you really just say Oriental?

hockeybobby
07-20-2009, 07:42 PM
Required Qualifications / Skills:
- A reasonable dancing skills including ability to handle a pole

:O


- No vampire makeup at work

Hey! What do you have against vampires? What about zombie strippers? They're cool!


PLs, this is your golden opportunity to chime in with any attributes you would like to see in your stripper.

She's gotta be hotter than bus station chili.

Almost Jaded
07-20-2009, 07:46 PM
This thread makes God kill kittens.

Cyril
07-20-2009, 07:49 PM
Yikes. I gave up on page 4, my brain hurt. i tried to scan from there, but it seemed like more of the same.

Cyril - let me respond to this by letting you and everyone else know what I do for a living these days.

My partners and I set up a holding company. That company opens new businesses. We look into all kinds of things. Specifically unspecific - ANYTHING that catches our attention. We research the ever living shit out of it. What others are doing, who's making money and how much and for how long and on and on. Then we look at ways to do it better. A lot more research. Suffice it to say our last business plan was 136 pages long and had over 1,600 man hours in it. If we think we can make a profit, we dive in. If not, we don't.

In other words - we do exactly what you're talking about here, for a lot of different industries, all the time. And don't think for one microsecond we haven't looked into opening a gentleman's club. In fact, we probably will in the near future, and it will be what you're doing here. o let me share a few things.

First - I realize this is a theoretical "model", but even those need a lot of homework before one could even consider something as basic as your first post. As was pointed out later in the thread, you didn't even have a budget in mind.

Second - this theoretical club model will alter DRASTICALLY depending on where it's opened. Like, night and day drastically.

Third - once again, what i do for a living comes into play... We decided early on that our goal was not simply to make money. In fact, other than we need to make a profit, we don't consider how much we could make when looking into a business model - only that it could make a profit. Our sole goal down the road is to beat Google and the others in the Top 100 places to work. We've worked for other people most of our lives. We know the drill. We want happy employees. That said - even with employee satisfaction as the primary goal in the big picture, founding a business like youve' outlined with the dancers happiness as the foundation and not taking your CUSTOMERS into account is insane. You could have 100 of the happiest, prettiest, most devoted dancers on earth - and if the customers don't like the joint, you're screwed. Pretty basic, lol.

Fourth - you need to know the industry you're going into. I'll try to be a little less vitriolic than Jay, but her point (as they usually are) is very valid - you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You'd better start going to clubs a LOT, and a LOT of different clubs, in a LOT of different places, before you start even dreaming about this place. Get to know dancers beyond this board. Get to know managers beyond what the dancers here say about them. Same with owners. Etc.

Fifth - Well, this is where I intended to start getting into specifics about your plan, but I don't have time, and a lot of it has been covered bit by bit. Out of curiosity - not an attack - do you own a business? Have you ever owned a business that had overhead beyond a home based family-type operation? I don't want to come down on you, but it doesn't sound like it. Overhead for the things you're outlining is OFF THE FUCKING CHARTS. I know, because we're trying to phase a lot of it in right now. If you take out the partners and just count our employees, just payroll taxes, basic medical, and the other "necessities" cost us almost as much as payroll. And we pay better than most in the areas we hire in, though not by as much as we'd like to eventually. Insurance on a club like that is insane. Legal just as much. And we're not even into TRUE OPERATIONAL overhead.

Sixth - many of the things you base your model on are non-issues. I'm not going into detail again because -again - others already have, and because you don't spend time in clubs and therefor would n't get it anyway.

In closing, there's something to be said for a fresh outlook, one not colored by experience. There's also something to be said for experience. I applaud your intentions, but shake my head at the reality train that I know very well is headed towards you - I know how long it is, what it's carrying, and how fast it's moving. I know a guy who's in teh process of opening a new club in a smaller (not SMALL, but smaller) town in a western state. He has over $1 million in capitol. He;s almost broke and hasn't broken ground yet on the building he had planned. The liquor license alone cost over $100k when all was said and done, despite that fact that he'd budgeted for it by what the city/county said it cost - $20k. They failed to mention the hundreds of hours in legal fees he'd be paying when other businesses and local authorities argued against him and other legal bases that had to be covered. Oops.

When we start one, it will be modest, and we will not consider less than a $3 million capital investment. It could be done for less, but not well - and nothing like close to what you're outlining.

We also considered a brothel done right, think on that for a minute, lol. Our estimated startup for that one (a resort style brothel, like has never been done) is $25 million minimum - STARTUP money.

I was going to get into all of that but - no time. I sure can use some help if anyone wants to pitch in.

Anyhow, I have refined the objective a little bit due to time and labor constraint. Since, we are not going to use this model to draw in investors, it will be futile to chalk up the budget which requires heavy duty costing techniques.

From our perspective as dancers and customers, we are interested in two aspects of strip clubs:
- Happy strippers
- Happy PLs

We will use efficient management techniques to achieve those two objectives.

So basically this model has two components:

1. What will make Dream Girls an ideal strip club for PLs and strippers
2. How can we design a business operation that will help us accomplish our goals

That is it. Anything else will make this thread full of clutters. People are already complaining that the thread is too boring.

hockeybobby
07-20-2009, 07:49 PM
This thread makes God kill kittens.

Haha :D

22019

verfolgung
07-20-2009, 07:55 PM
Dude. Did you really just say Oriental?

LOL - I noticed that too. Is he hiring dancers or rugs?

Makes you wonder who will be the judge of these attributes ...



... Required Qualifications / Skills:
- Must be intelligent and creative
- Good verbal communication skills ...

:P

Cyril
07-20-2009, 07:59 PM
She's gotta be hotter than bus station chili.

Let me see what I can do my man. :)