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vmurphy252
07-23-2009, 06:43 PM
^I have not played that in FOREVER...
Almost Jaded
07-24-2009, 12:08 AM
AS I mentioned earlier, the list of businesses - not JUST SC's but dan near every one of them as well - violates the IC technicalities regularly and as a matter of policy - even the "good" clubs around here do. :shrug:
In that regard at least, Dream Girls isn't any worse off than any other club, lol.
audrey_k
07-24-2009, 12:18 AM
I find it telling that most stage clubs are doing so well (and a lot of lapdance clubs are struggling so much) "in this economy" and in this day and age. A lot of girls and customers alike have expressed a desire to return to stage dancing and entertainment, and would love it if 'the hustle' was done away with. Guys could come in and relax and have a good time (as long as they're tipping the stage regularly as required!) and not have girls pestering and browbeating them for $20's. Girls could come to work and actually *dance* and make several hundred a night, and not have the stress of making ridiculous house fees/payouts or being touched or wondering if they're going to walk out with $$ or not at the end of the night. Everyone wins--except for the perverts who want to get off in their pants, the guys who are too cheap to tip the stage, and the girls who really aren't attractive enough to be strippers.
I agree, but I think it is the clubs that are doing well, not the strippers. In CA the stage dance clubs are the ones that serve alcohol-- guys just go to drink and watch the stage. At nude clubs, where guys really want to dance, there's no alcohol. So they're really coming with the intention of getting a lap dance (or should be anyway ::)) The club may be making less because of this, while the alcohol clubs are still busy and banking off the cover and drinks. But this doesn't really help the strippers.
When I talk to girls who works in stage-centered clubs in CA they me they usually make about $200. While that's certainly decent in this economy/time, thats what I make, before fees, in ten minutes (five lap dances) at the nude club I work at.
However, I hate LDs and want to move somewhere that is mostly stage dancing badly!
I've never danced anywhere but CA so I don't know how fees and tips work everywhere else. My club takes between 40-60% of what we make. A girl visiting from London danced at my club last weekend and kept me telling me "ugh! these customers are disgusting, so grabby and rude! how can you put up with them? theyre so cheap!" at the end of night she was asking me to explain fees and tips to her and she kept shaking her head saying "i can't give that back! i'll leave with nothing! why am i tipping her/him that much money? they just stood by the door!"
As for this thread, I think it would be most beneficial to just to responding to the clueless induvidual who created it, he clearly is living in a Dream Girls World.
Now I am really wishing I was going to university in another city! :-X
As for this thread, I think it would be most beneficial to just stop responding to the clueless induvidual (wanted to use another word) who started it, he is clearly living in Dream [Girls] World. ::)
xdamage
07-24-2009, 05:20 AM
When I talk to girls who works in stage-centered clubs in CA they me they usually make about $200. While that's certainly decent in this economy/time, thats what I make, before fees, in ten minutes (five lap dances) at the nude club I work at.
That is about what many made in the past too.
If you roll back to the 70s or early 80s back before LDs, making $200 or $250 a night stage dancing was pretty good. Minimum wage was $3.10 in the 80s, so making 10x that much probably seemed decent. Factor in cost of living and luxury items (houses cost much less, cars much less) and it is not hard to argue that is $500-$1000 or more in today's economy.
But a key difference is a lot less women wanted the job. The stigma factor back then was extreme. If you've seen any negativity on these boards toward prostitutes, well strippers were see in equally negative light by society as a whole. Even to go as a customer risked some pretty strong backlash if other (often more conservative people) found out.
The problem now is where the 70s-early-80s club might have been lucky to find a handful of attractive women willing to do the job, today the same club is going to have to turn down large numbers who want jobs. Economics 101 says that under those conditions, the employeer has the upper hand and typically employees (or ICS in this case) will earn less. If anyone really cared of course they could start their own club and take less for themselves but that requires an altruist and they are very difficult to find.
Cyril
07-24-2009, 10:32 PM
I would be honored; friends of the owner always get first class service; one might call it full service.
Perfect! Dream Girls is proud to announce that Earl has accepted our invitation to be the guest of honor.
Megan Fox will open the stage show with her pole dancing. It will be kind of like season's first pitch ceremony.
Cyril
07-24-2009, 10:44 PM
In New Jersey it is against the law for a dancer the get any cut of drinks she hustles; of course this is ignored as are most of the club laws. Just a heads up if you don't want to break any laws.
I hope it is not illegal in Portland, OR.
Cyril
07-24-2009, 10:49 PM
In regards to your #1... most club require just a four hour minimum from girls, at least in LV. But we have 3 shifts at my club. 1pm-9pm (can come in anytime between 1 and 4, 4 hr minimum), 9pm-3am (can come in anytime from 9-11, 4 hr minimum) and 3am-9am (4 hr minimum) and then everyone "floats" from 9am til 1pm.
Shift costs are $45, $80 and $40, respectively.
At my air dance club, floor dances were $10 a pop, blocks of time being $200 for a half, and $400 for an hour, tips appreciated. The club took nothing aside from the house fee, 10% to the DJ, and $7 to the housemother.
Thanks for the information Mediocrity. Since, this is the only piece of information I have on shift rotation and prices, it will prove vital.
Cyril
07-24-2009, 11:03 PM
Our objective is to generated $25,000.00 worth of revenue per day in sales.
This will require Dream Girls to bring in 250 PLs who in turn will spend $100.00 each. This is a mighty tough goal but Dream Girls is all about challenge.
This is where importance of PLs walking into the club comes into the play. With each PL entering the building, Dream Girls gets closer to its fiscal goal. This point of view has been stressed on all the girls who want to join the work force at Dream Girls.
Hiring process is still in progress. We still do not have a confirmed opening date for Dream Girls. But hang in tight. It will open soon.
Cyril
07-24-2009, 11:08 PM
AS I mentioned earlier, the list of businesses - not JUST SC's but dan near every one of them as well - violates the IC technicalities regularly and as a matter of policy - even the "good" clubs around here do. :shrug:
In that regard at least, Dream Girls isn't any worse off than any other club, lol.
OK. Glad to hear that Dream Girls is doing something right.
Cyril
07-24-2009, 11:15 PM
Isn't this much more fun when it's left to pure imagination?
Of course, that is why Dream Girls is against heavy grinding (lap dances). :)
Cyril
07-24-2009, 11:16 PM
Still, if the part of the point was to show how a dancer's income would not be limited, but rather enhanced, than the numbers are a bit unrealistic and also fairly misleading.
To test if a rev sharing plan is really feasible you don't need "actual" sales data (not that you will ever have "actual" sales data). You can test the model with what is typically achieved now in the market, without just assuming that you are automatically going to be doing better than everyone else. Call it the "base case", and if the model fails that test, you may have to adjust it.
Still, since you rev. sharing plan is based on the "gross" and not the "net" than you really have to look at your NOI projections to see if you can afford this hit. As I mentioned before, the industry is struggling in many areas, and you keep focusing on the same old rev. streams (door charges, food/bev sales, VIP room rentals) while also reducing income (no dancer house fees & rev. sharing). Unless you can demonstrate an ability to generate new rev. streams or find a way to cut your costs by operating more efficiently than everyone else, than I fear you're club's long term viability will be in doubt. You need more innovations beyond a helipad.
Those number were used to show the calculation formula. That is it. Nothing else.
All right, go ahead and propose some new ways of generating revenues. If your ideas are business worthy, you will be invited to join the management team.
Cyril
07-24-2009, 11:20 PM
^^^ Marketing is another good point, though it may depend on the location. Around here there are either laws limiting where SCs can advertise, or they cannot afford it. Just never see them though many have an internet presence, but nothing local. Could be they are advertising in other venues though that are not available locally.
I am sure city of Portland will not be too thrilled to see the bill boards featuring Dream Girls' jugs.
mediocrity
07-25-2009, 03:09 AM
However, I hate LDs and want to move somewhere that is mostly stage dancing badly!
You and me both baby doll. For me, tis a necessary evil.
shameless
07-25-2009, 03:29 AM
What else do you want? Vampire girls are out of question.
That's a shame. We have a goth girl with vampire veneers and very domineering attitude. White-collar customers book her out for hours. Think you need to take into account the needs of 'deviants' that will spend serious cash if their fetishes are catered for. So have a 1-2 attractive and alternative looking dancers, heavily tattooed dancers, a few voluptuous girls too and needless to say make sure you have to have dancers with barely there breasts up to a EE (or bigger if you can find). And there you go - Dream girl mix will be complete.
Cyril
07-25-2009, 05:43 AM
That's a shame. We have a goth girl with vampire veneers and very domineering attitude. White-collar customers book her out for hours. Think you need to take into account the needs of 'deviants' that will spend serious cash if their fetishes are catered for. So have a 1-2 attractive and alternative looking dancers, heavily tattooed dancers, a few voluptuous girls too and needless to say make sure you have to have dancers with barely there breasts up to a EE (or bigger if you can find). And there you go - Dream girl mix will be complete.
I think you have a point. I will remove the "No vampire makeup" clause. We will have some goth girls in there.
Cyril
07-25-2009, 05:48 AM
Dream Girls has made two amendments to its business model:
1. Strippers from all racial backgrounds will be given equal opportunity
2. Dream Girls is now accepting goth girls
WiseGuy_TX
07-25-2009, 08:40 AM
I am convinced that the strip clubs are being managed in an unprofessional manner.
OK. Glad to hear that Dream Girls is doing something right....Cyril, why are you now intending to operate Dream Girls illegally and in an unprofessional manner? Please reconsider your objectives.
Cyril
07-25-2009, 10:18 AM
...Cyril, why are you now intending to operate Dream Girls illegally and in an unprofessional manner? Please reconsider your objectives.
Only questionable policy in the business doctrine that I can think of was giving preferences to Caucasian dancers. Dream Girls has removed that policy.
So, we are sticking by our motto of operating Dream Girls as a clean and efficient business organization.
Cyril
07-25-2009, 10:34 AM
Anyhow, Dream Girls is delighted to inform you that we have wrapped up our hiring process for IC (exotic dancer) positions.
We have hired girls from all over the USA and some foreign countries such as Canada. We have girls who speak several languages. All ethnicities including black and oriental are fairly represented at Dream Girls. We have tried to accommodate everyone’s tastes and fantasies. So you will see girls who are blonde, redhead, brunette, tall, short, tattooed (lightly), black, oriental, educated, intelligent, uneducated (as long as they can verbally communicate in an effective manner), shy, aggressive (but respectful), dominant, submissive and much more at Dream Girls. We have stayed away from girls who were above certain weight (threshold) for the time being. Also, we have stayed away from girls with fake boobs. However, if there is a demand for such strippers in future, we will reconsider changing our business doctrine.
Now, management is busy planning the opening of Dream Girls.
Note: I have appended this post to the first post of this thread.
xdamage
07-25-2009, 11:17 AM
.... We have tried to accommodate everyone’s tastes and fantasies. So you will see ..tattooed (lightly)...uneducated ...aggressive (but respectful), ,,,. We have stayed away from girls who were above certain weight (threshold) for the time being. Also, we have stayed away from girls with fake boobs.
Wow, I finally have a few minutes away from my family (and the non stop chattering).. this feels insulting on multiple levels. At least in the majority of jobs if HR had a list like this they'd be in serious trouble before they even started (the stereotyping here is wow, and the list doesn't even make sense - Cryil doesnt like fake boobs so you'd deny them a job on that grounds? you are okay with aggressive but respectful women? the weight range does it even account for height?build?tone?, you dont feel that is insulting to the dancers here? If I was in their shoes Id surely feel insulted by this list). wowsers
Almost Jaded
07-25-2009, 11:17 AM
Again with "Oriental", LMAO. I promise you, you don't have a single asian dancer in the club, seeing as you pissed every one of them off during the interview process.
Dude - do you realize that "oriental" is offensive to most asian people? Not quite a "slur", but often viewed as a derogatory term? And that you have now used it like 6 or 8 times in this thread, despite several people pointing it out to you? :shakes head:
Cyril
07-25-2009, 11:20 AM
Again with "Oriental", LMAO. I promise you, you don't have a single asian dancer in the club, seeing as you pissed every one of them off during the interview process.
Dude - do you realize that "oriental" is offensive to most asian people? Not quite a "slur", but often viewed as a derogatory term? And that you have now used it like 6 or 8 times in this thread, despite several people pointing it out to you? :shakes head:
People who are from orient are called orientals. Why would it be offensive? /:O
Cyril
07-25-2009, 11:23 AM
Wow, I finally have a few minutes away from my family (and the non stop chattering).. this feels insulting on multiple levels. At least in the majority of jobs if HR had a list like this they'd be in serious trouble before they even started (the stereotyping here is wow, and the list doesn't even make sense - Cryil doesnt like fake boobs so you'd deny them a job on that grounds? you are okay with aggressive but respectful women? the weight range does it even account for height?build?tone?, you dont feel that is insulting to the dancers here? If I was in their shoes Id surely feel insulted by this list). wowsers
You are just trying to ignite the fire.
WiseGuy_TX
07-25-2009, 11:42 AM
Only questionable policy in the business doctrine that I can think of ...Cyril the FBI was notified by the IRS and have become aware that some of Dream Girls dancers are known pro's in the industry with pimps and are part of a international human trafficking ring. They have eluded your best efforts to filter them out which adds suspicion that the club owner is promoting it. Dream Girls is under heavy surveillance by federal authorities even before opening day! Please, i beg you, stop ignoring these true facts and reconsider your objectives before it's too late.
charlie61
07-25-2009, 12:43 PM
People who are from orient are called orientals. Why would it be offensive? /:O
Oriental is an obsolete term.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/545754.html
Some people consider it to be offensive, whereas others simply consider it to be a term used in historical ignorance.
mediocrity
07-25-2009, 01:10 PM
People who are from orient are called orientals. Why would it be offensive? /:O
Read:
"“The word ‘oriental’ carries with it racist overtones and anyone who thinks that those offended by it are just hypersensitive do not understand the implications of what it means to be stereotyped,” Washington Rep. Velma Veloria told PNews. "
I maintain my perception that you must be over 50.
verfolgung
07-25-2009, 02:29 PM
What ever happend to the initial purpose? /:O
... I would like to create a model, which can be used to build an ideal strip club. ...
Instead, you are chooseing to carry on with a useless sharade ...
... Construction of Dream Girls was a success. Building has been furnished, parking lot is ready and limousine port is ready. I will go ahead and add one more feature – helipad, in case truly important decided to become PLs of Dream Girls. ...
Here is the update on hiring process:
Hiring process is in full swing. ... I am already thinking about who the guest of honor will be on the inauguration day; I mean the PL who will be cutting the ribbon. ...
Perfect! Dream Girls is proud to announce that Earl has accepted our invitation to be the guest of honor.
Megan Fox will open the stage show with her pole dancing. It will be kind of like season's first pitch ceremony.
Anyhow, Dream Girls is delighted to inform you that we have wrapped up our hiring process for IC (exotic dancer) positions. ...
What do progress updates on construction, the hiring process, the grand openining, guests of honor, etc. have to do with discussing a feasible busniess model? This club is not real, and it is not going to open! ... Where is this going? At some point are you going to try to say that Dream Girls is open and then self proclaim it to be a success? Pffft.
Discussions on stage only vs. dances, rev. sharing, whether to provide health insurance, etc. are at least valid.
When you clutter your discussion with the rest of the meaningless ancillary items, it looses its direction. You end up talking about racial mix, and dancer weight limits. What tha ... ?
Honestly, if you really want credible feedback, stick to model building, and leave behind the "land of make believe" stuff. So far I think I've seen two actual dancers say that they might have an interest in working under you current parameters. You also have one customer who has said he would be willing to show up (although he's looking for special favors for being friends with the owner). This thread would be much better served if you focused on finding what scenario resulted in the best response from BOTH actual dancers and actual customers. Think about it.
Earl_the_Pearl
07-25-2009, 05:25 PM
I think you have a point. I will remove the "No vampire makeup" clause. We will have some goth girls in there.
Hold on goth and vampire are very different; stick with Goths as vampires will bite the PLs to draw blood; HIV you know.
Gia2608
07-25-2009, 05:31 PM
Get Megan Fox on the pole and I will sell all of my personal effects for the air fare to attend the Grand Opening.
Earl_the_Pearl
07-25-2009, 05:56 PM
I was at a PTA meeting and this women who obviously looks for the slightest reason to take offense; she will then with great indignation inform the ignorant masses of their insulting Eurocentric views.
Are you ready for this? She objected to the use of kids when referring to children. I found that odd as being a bastard is now common and accepted yet kid is insulting. :noidea:
Gia2608
07-25-2009, 06:11 PM
I dunno Earl I'm an animal lover but sometimes those Peta folks are a bit off. Thank god they have Pam and Khloe K to give them some clout.
Would you buy something because it was celebrity endorsed? LOL
Are you really mad that some lady was trying to inflame others? Ultimate irony.
All joking aside "Oriental" is pretty antiquated. I think it's a WWII term, and my grandma used to say it when referring to my Korean friend. "Where's that nice Oriental girl". She also used to say hussy. You wouldn't call someone a hussy would you? It's really not your fault I can have a bit of empathy for the NE corrider being stuck in the 1960's but understand SW has members from all over Planet Earth and it is pretty offensive.
Cyril
07-25-2009, 06:44 PM
...Cyril the FBI was notified by the IRS and have become aware that some of Dream Girls dancers are known pro's in the industry with pimps and are part of a international human trafficking ring. They have eluded your best efforts to filter them out which adds suspicion that the club owner is promoting it. Dream Girls is under heavy surveillance by federal authorities even before opening day! Please, i beg you, stop ignoring these true facts and reconsider your objectives before it's too late.
OK. What objective would you like to be reconsidered? Should Dream Girls be not opened?
Cyril
07-25-2009, 06:46 PM
Oriental is an obsolete term.
Some people consider it to be offensive, whereas others simply consider it to be a term used in historical ignorance.
Charlie,
Are you OK with me using the word "Oriental"? Or, would you prefer I substitute it with "Asian"?
Thanks!
Cyril
07-25-2009, 06:49 PM
Hold on goth and vampire are very different; stick with Goths as vampires will bite the PLs to draw blood; HIV you know.
That is a good point. No vampire girls clause is going back into full effect.
Cyril
07-25-2009, 06:50 PM
Get Megan Fox on the pole and I will sell all of my personal effects for the air fare to attend the Grand Opening.
That is nice to hear. Would you consider joining Megan Fox on the stage? :)
charlie61
07-25-2009, 06:53 PM
Charlie,
Are you OK with me using the word "Oriental"? Or, would you prefer I substitute it with "Asian"?
Thanks!
As a white person, I don't really think I have much say in the matter. I don't think it's my place to decide what is or is not offensive.
In my experience, the term "Oriental" should be avoided, but I've never seen anyone balk at the word as a true racial slur. That does not mean, however, that it is preferable. If you want to be truly PC, I'd stick with "Asian."
Cyril
07-25-2009, 06:54 PM
As a white person, I don't really think I have much say in the matter. I don't think it's my place to decide what is or is not offensive.
In my experience, the term "Oriental" should be avoided, but I've never seen anyone balk at the word as a true racial slur. That does not mean, however, that it is preferable. If you want to be truly PC, I'd stick with "Asian."
Not a problem. I will use the word Asian in Dream Girls' memo when referring to girls from Asian countries such as China.
Gia2608
07-25-2009, 07:10 PM
Or you could say Chinese, or Chinese-American. Just a thought
Earl_the_Pearl
07-25-2009, 08:10 PM
It's really not your fault I can have a bit of empathy for the NE corrider being stuck in the 1960's but understand SW has members from all over Planet Earth and it is pretty offensive.
Now I am truly insulted; the North East United States is what keeps the rest of US from becoming a third world country.
I truly would be in favor of building a wall on our southern border to keep undesirables out; the boarder is the Mason Dixon Line.
Is that dueling banjos I hear in the background?
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Earl_the_Pearl
07-25-2009, 08:14 PM
As a white person,
WHITE person??? I'm a European American. You have insulted my heritage.
charlie61
07-25-2009, 08:15 PM
^ But you see, I identify as white. You can identify yourself however you'd like. ;D
Earl_the_Pearl
07-25-2009, 08:16 PM
Or you could say Chinese, or Chinese-American. Just a thought
So you can tell an Austrian from a German?
Earl_the_Pearl
07-25-2009, 08:19 PM
^ But you see, I identify as white. You can identify yourself however you'd like. ;D
I'll put my northern European white up against yours any day; preferably in VIP. :hyper:
yoda57us
07-25-2009, 08:23 PM
Read: http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=143
"“The word ‘oriental’ carries with it racist overtones and anyone who thinks that those offended by it are just hypersensitive do not understand the implications of what it means to be stereotyped,” Washington Rep. Velma Veloria told PNews. "
I maintain my perception that you must be over 50.
Oh please, don't lump all of us "over 50's" together on this. I'm almost 52 and while the term "oriental" is what was used when I was a kid I stopped using it many years ago. Cyril's insistence on using it says plenty about Cyril, nothing about the rest of us.
Cyril
07-25-2009, 08:38 PM
Subject: MEMO
Date: 07/25/2009
It has come to the attention of senior management that an error in judgment occurred when the word “Oriental” was used to refer to our Asian dancers. Dream Girls truly regrets this mistake and wishes to assure all our Asian dancers that they are considered truly valuable independent contractors of the club.
The employment of management staff responsible for this error in judgment has been terminated effective now.
Regards,
Management,
Dream Girls
mediocrity
07-25-2009, 08:39 PM
Oh please, don't lump all of us "over 50's" together on this. I'm almost 52 and while the term "oriental" is what was used when I was a kid I stopped using it many years ago. Cyril's insistence on using it says plenty about Cyril, nothing about the rest of us.
I'm not. I just can't imagine anyone younger than that having that term in their vernacular.
charlie61
07-25-2009, 08:42 PM
^ I've slipped an 'oriental' before. I attribute it to my general lack of historical knowledge (I left that all behind after taking AP History in 11th grade). I'm always seeking to improve my PC-ness though.
Cyril
07-25-2009, 08:43 PM
^ I've slipped an 'oriental' before. I attribute it to my general lack of historical knowledge (I left that all behind after taking AP History in 11th grade). I'm always seeking to improve my PC-ness though.
I will join Charlie and may be together we can improve our PC-ness.
stressed
07-25-2009, 08:59 PM
I truly would be in favor of building a wall on our southern border to keep undesirables out; the boarder is the Mason Dixon line.
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Cyril
07-25-2009, 09:07 PM
Announcement from Dream Girls:
As part of our ongoing effort to make Dream Girls a truly distinguished strip club in entire USA, we have taken serious surveys. These surveys reveal that there exists a strong desire among a portion of PL populace to see Geisha like services in the strip clubs. As a result the management has decided to introduce Geisha services on the menu of Dream Girls.
This will also help Dream Girls in its effort to identify and exploit new source of revenues.
Positive critiques from PLs and strippers are welcomed.
Note: Geisha like services does not mean that girls of Dream Girls will offer sex.